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Utena??? To je moc krásné místo. Byl jsem tam asi 60x a všem doporučuji návštěvu. Hlavně diskotéka Rendez Vous,to bylo moje,tam to prostředí mám rád,je to jako u nás. Chystám se to tam zase brzy navštívit i s kamarády. Moc se těšíme a spřádáme plány. Letos tam byl v době naší návštěvy mráz,ale i tak vzpomínáme. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.203.170.178 (talk) 22:32, 1 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 2 July 2023[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 07:44, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Utena → Utena (city) – When I google Utena, most of the first couple of search results show Revolutionary Girl Utena, not the city. Since there are also several other things named Utena like Adolescence_of_Utena and Utena_County, it would also be favorable to make Utena (disambiguation) in addition to the renaming of this page. Also, I think we should make the original Utena title into a redirect for Revolutionary Girl Utena which is likely the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for Utena because as said before, most google searches show Revolutionary Girl Utena when I look up "Utena". — Prodraxis {talk • contributions} (she/her) 21:29, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Comment: I have notified WikiProject Lithuania and WikiProject Anime and Manga about this discussion. — Prodraxis {talk • contributions} (she/her) 21:32, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Where is the issue? Seems like Utena the city is the only thing out of them actually named Utena. Oppose to the move, but you can still create disambiguation page. Marcelus (talk) 21:39, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support A disambiguation page should be created at the base name, as the anime is commonly referred to simply as Utena, making it a DABMENTION situation. Due to the anime's high prominence there is a risk of confusion. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:00, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Agreed - the anime is clearly the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC here. — Prodraxis {talk • contributions} (she/her) 13:55, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm not sure it's the primary topic. But I also think the city is not the primary topic for the word either. A Google search for "Utena" brings up the anime only, and the city has far less pageviews. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:02, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose the dab page now exists, but Utena is clearly the encyclopaedic topic. If anyone searches Utena the city and anime Shōjo Kakumei Utena will come up and people looking for Shōjo Kakumei Utena will click the anime. Not broken and doesn't need fixing. In ictu oculi (talk) 13:25, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Clearly the enyclopedic topic how? Google test and pageviews all support the anime. Simply "existing" in the real world does not immediately mean something is primary. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:05, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Per WP:PT2. Also google search doesn't - the combination of "Utena" anime has 22.8k hits on google news, "" manga has 22.9k. "" Lithuania has 28.1k, "" Lietuva - 132k. アニメ or マンガ has even lower amounts. Respublik (talk) 05:08, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - same reasoning as @In ictu oculi. Cukrakalnis (talk) 13:42, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support making the disambiguation page the base use -- 64.229.90.172 (talk) 05:50, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. The city is the primary topic. A hatnote is perfectly sufficient. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:43, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Please see WP:NOTAVOTE. Simply registering your opposition is not sufficient, please argue with evidence or on policy. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:14, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Please drop the pomposity. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:49, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: The city is clearly WP:PT2 for the word Utena, and currently there even isn't any proposed article that would challenge it as all the links to the character are redirects. Respublik (talk) 00:43, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I guess it would be helpful to be less concise: both variants of Utena Tenjō and Utena Tenjo are redirects. The character is not even that notable/popular to get a standalone article. Respublik (talk) 05:06, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't see how a character not being standalone notable changes the fact that the show they were in is notable. They are separate things entirely. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:19, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose. By pageviews since 2015 Revolutionary Girl Utena is clearly the primary topic with the city having about 8% of the pageview share (1.63 M : 0.14 M, other articles at the dab page are relatively insignificant). However, I believe there's a policy about avoiding unnecessary disambiguators in titles (WP:CONCISE?). If the anime/manga were simply "Utena" I would support the move, but since that is a shortened form I'm leaning oppose. That combined with the search preview including the anime and the dab page I don't think the move is really necessary. As a side note: I'm not sure, but since this is a place, another disambiguation could be Utena, Lithuania per WP:PLACEDAB ― Synpath 00:53, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Hmmm... Actually, Utena, Lithuania could work now that I think about it. — Prodraxis {talk • contributions} (she/her) 01:10, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Synpath: I think you may be referring to WP:NATURAL, but if you are concerned about that, as you said Utena, Lithuania would be a perfectly viable target that doesn't require the parenthetical disambiguation. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 11:41, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support Revolutionary Girl Utena has more views (16,072) than the city (937)[[1]] but is a PTM. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:09, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    WP:PTM states "Add a link only if the article's subject could plausibly be referred to by essentially the same name as the disambiguated term in a sufficiently generic context". "Utena" the anime is widely referred to by just that word. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:17, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Um, @Zxcvbnm, I recognize that you feel strongly about moving the page, but responding to every oppose or oppose-leaning response kinda seems like WP:BLUDGEONING at times. — Prodraxis {talk • contributions} (she/her) 16:21, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Uh... if you didn't notice, the 2nd one I replied to was a "support" !vote. I'm not sure how it could be BLUDGEON if I'm literally agreeing with it, just explaining an additional way I think that it could be reinforced further. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:25, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per WP:PT2 (touch the grass). —  AjaxSmack  22:58, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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