Talk:Vermouth/GA1

GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 06:19, 11 June 2011 (UTC) GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria[reply]

Is it reasonably well written?
A. Prose quality:
Consider using the word that instead of which in the sentence "The word "vermouth" comes from the German word Wermut for wormwood which has been used as an ingredient in the drink over its history.
Consider using a word other than "Also" in "Also, vermouth comes in various colors, but primarily pale or red."
The sentence "The first sweet vermouth was introduced in 1786 in Turin by merchant Antonio Benedetto Carpano." was flagged when checking in Microsoft Word. It suggested that it read "Merchant Antonio Benedetto Carpano introducted the first sweet vermouth in 1786 in Turin".
The sentance "The first pale, dry vermouth was produced in France by Joseph Noilly sometime between 1800 and 1813." was flagged when checked in Microsoft Word. It stated that it was a fragment sentence.
The word liquour is misspelled in "The popularity of vermouth as a medicinal liquour waned by end of the 19th century."
The sentence "The popularity of vermouth as a medicinal liquour waned by end of the 19th century." was flagged when checked in Microsoft Word. It stated that it was a fragment sentence.
The usage of the words "time period" in the sentence "The advent of cocktails around this same time period, however, found a new use for the drink." is redundant; consider using one or the other.
Consider using a comma after the word grapes in the sentence "From these grapes a low-alcohol white wine is produced by vermouth manufacturers."
Consider using the word bitterer rather than more bitter in the sentence "The label "French vermouth" generally refers to pale, dry vermouths that are more bitter than sweet vermouths."
The word digestifs is misspelled in "Most cocktails using vermouth, and when drinking vermouth by itself, are apéritifs, although sometimes drunk as digestifs."
The sentence "A Manhattan cocktail with its components." was flagged when checked in Microsoft Word. It stated it was a fragment sentence.
Consider using a comma after the word vermouths in the sentence "Cinzano and Martini & Rossi also produce rose′ vermouths which are mainly distributed in Italy and France."
*Corrections made. Cla68 (talk) 06:37, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
**Issue resolved --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 07:55, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:
Lead:
Layout:
Words to Watch:
Famous is listed in WTW and is used in the sentence "Mixologists found that vermouth was the ideal mixer for many cocktails, including two of the original, most famous cocktails of all time, the martini (beginning in the 1860s) and the Manhattan (beginning around 1874)." Consider using another word or changing the sentence to do without it.
Notable is listed in WTW and is used in the sentence "otable cocktails using either dry or sweet vermouth or both include the Americano,[16] Bronx,[17] Gibson,[18] Manhattan,[19] Negroni,[20] Rob Roy,[21] and Rose.[22]" Consider using another word or changing the sentence to do without it.
Ficiton:
List:
*Done. Cla68 (talk) 06:46, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
**Issue resolved --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 23:02, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
A. References to sources:
In the Etymology and History, Production, ingrediants and flavors, Beverage, and Cooking sections whole paragraphs list sources to support the paragraph at the end of the article. Consider supporting significant, or even each, sentence(s) within the paragraph with supporting references.

B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:
Reference number 3 uses a website, that may or may not fall under WP:RS, consider using a published dictionary, or its internet equivalent.
Reference number 3 also cites Wiktionary, per discussion here it is not a reliable source and falls under WP:CIRCULAR.
Issues resolved. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 23:02, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Reference number 30 citing Campaign, assuming good faith is a reliable source; however the statement used in the reference ""The Week: Advertising News – Smirnoff is Power's top drink" states that in 2010 Martini was ranked fourth on the list of leading global drinks brands" should be verified.
A search of the webpage campaignlive.co.uk does not find the article stated. Please correct, find a link to the article, or another reliable source. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 23:02, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I found that article via Infotrac. I just checked Infotrac again, and it is still there. To improve the citation, I added the page number. Do you have access to Infotrac? You can usually access it at a public or university library. Cla68 (talk) 05:41, 15 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I do not have access to Infotrac, but assuming good faith I shall pass this section, even though I was unable to find it on the magazine's website. I would still strongly recommend additional references to back the statement up. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 17:14, 15 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

C. No original research:
No original research appears to be in this article.
*Done. I have had several articles pass FAC without having a citation at the end of every single sentence. I think it's ok to have all the citations at the end of a paragraph. Cla68 (talk) 06:53, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
**There are some sentences which others may challenge in the future. It maybe helpful to cite certain sentences which may be challenged with a request for citation. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 23:02, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'm very reluctant to assist in contributing to the belief that articles should have citations at the end of every single sentence when, in my experience, putting them all at the end of the paragraph has worked fine. Cla68 (talk) 05:47, 15 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
*Although, not every sentence should be referenced, some people may ask for specific citations. Adding those citations now will stop those request in the future. For instance Where does it say that fortified wines with herbs and or roots were drunk in ancient Greece? What nation really did create wormood fortified wines first? Germany or Italy? How can one prove that? etc.
Why is it that some sections have certain statements cited, and other sections have all the cites at the end of the paragraph?
Why is it that the popularity of the beverage is so well cited when it comes to the royal court in Turin, but the popularity of the beverage in cocktails in the late 19th century only referenced until the end of the article? --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 17:14, 15 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Is it broad in its coverage?
A. Major aspects:
It appears to cover the subject of the article and its usages.

B. Focused:
It appears to not cover other subjects without indicating how it relates to the subject of the article.
Is it neutral?
Fair representation without bias:
~~The section Major brands may be taken to be written in a manor that may appear to be a review. Consider rewriting it to be more neutral in tone.~~
Done. Cla68 (talk) 06:58, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
*Issues appear to have been resolved. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 23:02, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Is it stable?
No edit wars, etc:
No edit wars appear to have occurred in the past year. However, the article appears to have been the target of past vandalism, and article should continued to be monitored,
Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:
~~The image Dry Martini-2.jpg is a derivative of a work which is trademark tagged, and therefore, itself may not be usable without permission of the trademark holders.~~

B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
~~Each major section except for Production, ingredients, and flavors and Major brands have supporting images. Consider adding images into those sections to improve the article.~~
*I changed the image. I don't think there is room to add more images in the article if viewing it in a widescreen monitor. Cla68 (talk) 07:06, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
**Issue appears to have been resolved.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 23:02, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Overall:
Pass or Fail:
~~Please attempt to correct the above, or explain why the above should be waived, and this article be listed as a GA.~~
Comments are threaded above. Cla68 (talk) 07:08, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
*~~Several issues still remain. Please attempt to rectify them before this article passes my review. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 23:02, 14 June 2011 (UTC)~~[reply]
Threaded results above. Cla68 (talk) 05:50, 15 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
*~~There are still a few short comings, IMHO. Please see above comments. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 17:14, 15 June 2011 (UTC)~~[reply]
With lack of improvement regarding criteria 2A, and a statement by the nominator, I am closing this review. This is unfortunate, as the improvement of this article is commendable. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 21:06, 19 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]