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Degree lists (Miscellaneous lists)[edit]

I removed 3 tables of degree programs Wingate offers. I see no reason to list this, as many are not notable programs. Here are the tables i removed: -TinGrin 05:33, 29 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Man put it back, it's way more efficient to have that here. You even removed the graduate one!!

Undergraduate majors

Arts & Sciences	Business	Education	Sport Sciences	Degree Completion
Art	Accounting	Art & Education	Athletic Training	Human Services
Biology	Finance	Biology & Education	Community & Commercial Recreation	Organizational Communication & Management
Chemistry	Management	Elementary Education	Health & Physical Education
Chemistry Business	Marketing	English & Education	Sport Management
Communication		Health & Physical Education
English		Mathematics & Education
Environmental Biology		Middle Grade Education
History		Music Education
Human Services		Reading Education
Mathematics		Social Studies Education
Mathematics/Business
Music
Music Education
Psychology
Religious Studies
Sociology
Criminal Justice (2011-2012)
Nursing (2011-2012)

Pre-Professional Programs

Pre-Dentistry
Pre-Law
Pre-Medical
Pre-Ministerial
Pre-Pharmacy
Pre-Veterinary Medicine

Graduate Degrees

Master's Degrees	Doctoral Degree	Professional Degree
Accounting	Educational Leadership	Doctor of Pharmacy
Business
Education
Physician Assistant Studies
Sport Administration

Proposed merge with Wingate University School of Pharmacy[edit]

not independently notable DGG ( talk ) 23:27, 4 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Per Wikipedia:Notability a topic is notable if it, "has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." One could argue what "significant coverage" coverage means, but I have much more content to add to this article. Specifically, a fair amount of content will be referenced from these three pages:

http://schoolpages.pharmcas.org/publishedsurvey/502

http://gohendersoncountync.org/2013/09/04/wingate-university-school-of-pharmacy-hendersonville-open-house/

http://www.blueridge.edu/academics/transfer-pathway-wingate-university-school-pharmacy

Further, I would contend that the statement from Wikipedia:College_and_university_article_advice#Notability which reads, "all colleges and universities are de facto notable" is an argument for the School of Pharmacy to have its own article. The School of Pharmacy (SOP), after all, is a college of its own accord, umbrellaed under a University. I realize the flip side of this argument, and I don't contend that it doesn't have merit, but I still contend the SOP stands on its own.

Also, some of the information that is yet to be included in this article is very important to the prospective pharmacy student, who would most view this article, but this information really wouldn't be fitting in overall article of the entire university (Things such as is the PCAT required, is there a seat deposit, is a BS required, etc). Also, as the Wingate SOP just seated it's first class in 2003, it is still relatively a new school. This means a lot more information is to come that is specific to the SOP and having this article merged with the main university's article would discourage the inclusion of such information.

Finally, from Articles_for_deletion/Common_outcomes, "Most independently accredited degree-awarding institutions [...] have historically been kept". The SOP is an institution on its own, and it is accredited by two boards of accreditation (ACPE & SACSCOC). I realize we're discussing a merge as opposed to a deletion, but I think the same criteria should be applied. If accredited and noted by several outside sources, how can it not be notable on its own?

GregMo72 ( talk ) 01:20, 5 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support merge. GregMo72 valiantly applies university arguments to a school within a University; however, the school isn't the degree-awarding body, the University is. The regulator accredit the university, and the university manages the delivery through the school. Other important schools of pharmacy don't have separate pages; for example, see List of pharmacy schools. The vast majority don't have separate pages because they can't sustain independent notability; lots of great Pharmacy schools don't have a separate one. Regarding provision of information about the school: that is what the school's own website (or prospectus) is for, and not the role of encyclopaedia. Klbrain (talk) 12:10, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support I agree with @Klbrain:; I just want to add that even if the institution was independently notable it would be better presented as a section in the larger article as per WP:MERGEREASON 3. Trialpears (talk) 11:36, 15 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Association with the Baptist State Convention of North Carolina[edit]

An unregistered editor is insisting that this article be edited to remove the university's association with the Association with the Baptist State Convention of North Carolina. Unfortunately, they have not provided any sources for this claim while the Southern Baptist Convention's website still lists the university as associated with that organization. Unless and until we are provided or find a different source or that website changes, this information should not be removed or edited. ElKevbo (talk) 02:49, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Why are you not looking at the school? The school does not list any affiliation with the Southern Baptist Association nor calls itself a religious school. Wingate is a private university and no longer has religious ties and hasn’t for 17 years now. Please go by the actual university and not the SBC having old information on their website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1004:B0AC:7754:28BF:9D16:8D2B:52DE (talk) 18:59, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

We have a reliable source that supports this claim and the information seems to be very relevant for readers interested in learning about this subject. If the university has cut its ties with the convention, please provide reliable sources that support your claim. ElKevbo (talk) 19:52, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

How much more reliable can you get than the actual University??

Copied & pasted directly from Wingate University’s website. Please read Wingate’s website and the history page.

https://www.wingate.edu/about/history-and-traditions

“Wingate Continues to Grow

The Wingate University Board of Trustees, under the direction of the 9th president, Dr. Jerry McGee, voted to formally acknowledge the school’s growth by changing its status to university. It was during this period that the Baptist State Convention of North Carolina ceased direct financial support of the university.” — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6c5e:357f:98bf:9909:32d9:6dc2:4a9e (talk • contribs) 15:43, March 4, 2023 (UTC)

"Ceas[ing] direct financial support" doesn't necessarily mean "is now completely unassociated with." ElKevbo (talk) 20:52, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have provided proof from the University’s actual website. Where is your proof from the University/Website that it is a Baptist university? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6c5e:357f:98bf:c007:da51:29f0:d473 (talk • contribs) 16:35, March 4, 2023 (UTC)

You've only provided a university website that says that the institution no longer receives "direct financial support" from the Baptist State Convention of North Carolina. You haven't provided evidence that the university is no longer associated with the Baptist State Convention of North Carolina. And of course there is no reason why we would only accept evidence from the subject of this article. In fact, we strongly prefer secondary, independent sources. ElKevbo (talk) 23:10, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

And please sign your contributions to Talk; you only have to type four tildes ("~~~~"). 23:10, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

This is certainly a difficult conversation because the Southern Baptist Convention does not regularly update its website, and the process of Wingate leaving the SBC has a slow and gradual process that was not finished until 2006, when the final ties were silently broken when the Baptist State Convention of North Carolina finally yielded control of approving members to the Board of Trustees. Articles that discuss this include, https://www.starnewsonline.com/story/news/2007/03/24/five-schools-to-cut-baptist-ties/30298932007/. Also, https://baptistnews.com/article/nc-baptists-cut-wmu-funding-loosen-ties-with-colleges-take-stand-on-gays/. Wingate technically still has lose affiliation with the North Carolina Baptist Convention, but there is not financial connectivity between the school and the convention, and no special privileges are given to Baptists on the campus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.65.153.157 (talk) 02:51, 19 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks - these sources are really helpful. ElKevbo (talk) 13:59, 19 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]