Talk:Yeshiva Torah Vodaas

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Should there be contact information on this page?

It's not so easy to find a phone number.... Pachai 15:44, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Name of School[edit]

The correct name of the school is Yeshiva Torah Vodaath and has been the same for decades

The Hebrew letter Tuf is the letter that is the matter of contention. Those in the school pronounce it sounding like the letter "S" but,

we know that there are two other Hebrew letters that, to the American ear, also sound like the letter "S" (Samech and Seen). The question of whether to go by Kri (how is it pronounced) or Ksiv (how is it written, and how can we differentiate among the three letters, when transliteratiing) is old ... Talmudic, if not even older (time of the Mishna?). Vodaas is fine, it "Shtims" with how one says it, and Vodaath is so . . . so . . . what should one say . . . so, so, so . . . hard to explain?

Vodaas is how an average person would pronounce, and probably also write it. Pi314m (talk) 22:48, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The title of the article should be changed to the official name of the institution, regardless of how people like to refer to it unofficially. 2A0D:6FC2:43D0:9200:B11F:5D42:37F5:B8B (talk) 23:46, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No, the name should reflect the way it is pronounced. Not an archaic transliteration of Hebrew. Vodaas it should remain.Nerguy (talk) 00:07, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There is nothing archaic about academic transliterations. The institution has not changed its letterhead. 2A0D:6FC2:43D0:9200:B11F:5D42:37F5:B8B (talk) 10:21, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The institution hasn't changed it's letterhead because it is legally named such, and it is to much of a hassle/headache to legally change it.Nerguy (talk) 13:17, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

By that logic, we would have an entry "Bays Yankiv". 2A0D:6FC2:43D0:9200:B11F:5D42:37F5:B8B (talk) 10:30, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It is pronounced Bais Yaakov, not Bays Yankiv. Nerguy (talk) 13:17, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I heard yankiv many times. The point is that the spelling of names of people or places is not determined by how one group or another pronounces it. Anyway I will ask that the page be changed to reflect the official name of the school. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A0D:6FC2:43D0:9200:F418:22D6:A95F:2ABC (talk) 18:39, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

And I ask that it remains 'Vodaas'. Nerguy (talk) 19:45, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Cf. e.g. Agudath Israel — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A0D:6FC2:43D0:9200:F418:22D6:A95F:2ABC (talk) 19:53, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes that should be changed to Agudas Yisroel also.Nerguy (talk) 17:30, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Organizations have the right to have their choice of spellings honored. The official names are what belong in an encyclopedia, not phonetic spellings that each person makes up for themselves. In fact, most Hebrew speakers in the world would use Sephardic pronunciation. So what. 2A0D:6FC2:43D0:9200:F856:3E8:50B:4463 (talk) 16:43, 5 March 2022 (UTC) The founders of Torah Vodaath and Agudath Israel were not ignorant. Au contraire. Their choices deserve to be honored. 2A0D:6FC2:43D0:9200:F856:3E8:50B:4463 (talk) 16:51, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]