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Handheld vs. mobile gaming[edit]

Since Super Mario Run is going to be released on smartphones, I was about to add a new section to this template to reflect that, considering that handheld gaming and mobile gaming are not the same concept here or on Wikipedia (considering that those two "gaming" links go to two different articles.) I almost changed the template to reflect this, but then noticed that my edit idea was performed once already [1], but afterwards, was reverted [2]. In the edit notice of the revert, there was a statement regarding the section being unnecessary since it would only contain one item presently; even with that being true, I think the new section is necessary since handheld gaming is not mobile gaming, and the distinction needs to be clear in this template. I propose that the change to add the "Mobile" section to this template be reinstated. Steel1943 (talk) 22:47, 9 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

(Pinging recent editors of this template for possible input: Dissident93, The1337gamer, UltraDark and Sergecross73.) Steel1943 (talk) 22:51, 9 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see an issue with it being in the handheld section, since phones are. Having a "mobile" section for just one game doesn't seem worth it, and we have no idea or not if they will ever make a second Mario mobile game. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 00:00, 10 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The group name is handheld, not handheld game consoles. Mobile and tablet devices are designed to be held in your hand. They are handheld devices. And thus Super Mario Run is playable on a handheld device, so it fits into that section just fine.. --The1337gamer (talk) 07:34, 10 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

When there is a huge amount of mobile games for Super Mario, then it will be the best time to give the mobile games their own category, but for now and having learned my lesson they should stay in handheld. ULTRA-DARKNESS^{:) 2 CHAT} 17:10, 11 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Super Mario Maker and Super Mario Run main games?[edit]

While I agree it is acceptable to say these games belong to this game series, I'm unsure if they actually have to be place on the same level as main game entries. Let me explain based on previous games from different series: back when the side-scroller, construction game, Mega Man Universe, was to be a thing, templates and pages never call it a main entry in the classic Mega Man series; Super Mario Maker's concept is a very identical game to said cancelled game. Now, mobile games like Sonic Dash or Rayman Jungle Run are also referred to as spin-offs, and listed as such on their respective pages and templates, both are also automatic-runner platform games, why is Super Mario Run (no intention to demerit the game) so special then? Shouldn't a "Misc. spot" be more suitable to add these two? Yeah, Nintendo made those but so was Mega Man Universe being made by Capcom so the developer has nothing to do with it.

--Byll the Wyll (talk) 09:58, 15 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I simply renamed the groups and made it more accurate. Both of these games are Super Mario titles, so they wouldn't belong in the spinoff section with games like Super Princess Peach and Captain Toad Treasure Tracker. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 18:01, 1 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 1 August 2017[edit]

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Remakes: Super Mario Advance, Super Mario Advance 2, Super Mario Advance 3 121.54.32.165 (talk) 14:31, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Done jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 15:44, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Jd22292: Please don't add redirects to articles already in the template. --Izno (talk) 16:50, 1 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe[edit]

@Dissident93: New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe should be labeled in the template somehow. (More properly once it's released. So that's my fault for jumping the gun.) I can understand if it not necessarily a remake. If not that, it should be in parentheses behind New Super Mario Bros. U. It has new features warranting the 'Deluxe' aspect and should be acknowledged somehow. Bchill53 (talk) 00:48, 9 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Well I guess it can't hurt just being redirected to the section that already exists in that case. I'll re-add it. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 01:25, 9 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Dissident93: Great, thank you. Bchill53 (talk) 16:30, 9 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Super Mario World 2[edit]

Dissident93, please explain your reasoning for undoing the edit that is explicitly verified by the most credible source possible. If it's your interpretation of a timeline that excludes many games in this template, that's not going to hold up. Ozdarka (talk) 08:13, 4 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Here's the quote, by the way: "When we first made Yoshi's Island, we considered it part of the Mario series. After that, the Yoshi series continued on its own. As developers, do we consider it to be part of the core Mario series? The answer is yes." ~Shigeru Miyamoto Ozdarka (talk) 12:06, 4 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm just going by what the old consensus was, of which I was not apart of. I'm trying to find the discussions that lead to this so I could link you to it but apparently it was not on this talk page. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 16:49, 11 April 2019 (UTC) ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 16:47, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Awaiting any source with Nintendo explicitly saying the game is not part of the series, since there is already one saying it is. Otherwise, I'll reintegrate it into the template. Ozdarka (talk) 07:21, 17 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That's ample time. Please stop removing correctly sourced content. Ozdarka (talk) 07:53, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

As much as I like Miyamoto, I think the guy is wrong... Are all the other Yoshi games also to be moved in this category then? --Bchill53 (talk) 21:55, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Miyamoto is the creator of the Super Mario series, so the source is the most reliable one as well as explicit (a requirement of sources). He said that after the first game, the Yoshi series continued on its own (see quote above). Ozdarka (talk) 07:40, 3 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 10 March 2020[edit]

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Remove link to Super Mario Bros. Deluxe from remakes as it redirects to Super Mario Bros page 165.197.109.6 (talk) 16:32, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not done It leads to its own section on that page, so it seems worth keeping. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 17:27, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 23 May 2020[edit]

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Mario Kart Tour should be removed, as it is not a Super Mario game. 2600:8804:1080:39A:8C00:D5A1:DC70:1F08 (talk) 17:06, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Done –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 17:17, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 5 October 2020[edit]

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Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island should be in the spin-off category instead of the main series category (similar to Wario Land: Super Mario Land 3; numbered sequels with wildly different gameplay styles starring different protagonists, which then became their own franchises). 63.135.30.73 (talk) 23:40, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. See also #Super Mario World 2 as well as the comment in the wikitext source. Izno (talk) 15:56, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]