User talk:Bamse/Archive 2

Re: Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Timeline of the 2003–04 South Pacific cyclone season/archive1

Hello, I believe that I have addressed your concerns relating to the 2003-04 South Pacific cyclone season timeline. More information is here Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Timeline of the 2003–04 South Pacific cyclone season/archive1 Thanks! --Yueof theNorth 22:33, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

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Hello,

I believe that I addressed some of your comments on the FLC page. Could you look at it when you have the time?

Thanks,

--Yueof theNorth 20:15, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

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I believe that all of your comments have been addressed. --Yueof theNorth 18:34, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Image question

Hi Bamse! I have a request for you: I'd like to have this image to add to the Wengen article here. Do you know how an image is moved from one Wikipedia to the other if it's not on Commons? Thanks. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 19:32, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Don't know how to move it to another wikipedia, but magically it appeared on commons now (hint: the [http://toolserver.org/~magnus/commonshelper.php move to commons assistant makes the moving easy). bamse (talk) 21:29, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, just found this. Thanks so much - I knew a tool had to exist, but couldn't find it. When you have time (and this is not at all important!) would you mind having a look at the infobox for Wengen? I've never worked on a town before, and the infobox has a lot of problems. Thanks. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 20:43, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Fixed it. Please check that all the information in the box is correct. The infobox can display even more information such as an image of the place or the mayor's name. I left the (empty) parameters for those items in the source code, so that they can easily be added later. bamse (talk) 22:12, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, much better. Also thanks for the in-line comments - now I know what to do. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 23:59, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, the comments are taken from Template:Infobox Swiss town. Let me know if I can be of any other help. bamse (talk) 08:57, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

FLC

I left a few points to fix, I'll be sure to have a more thorough look later. Afro (DontTazeMeBro) ^{- Afkatk} 20:54, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Just went to perform the review that you had requested, only to see that the list had already been promoted. Sorry I didn't make it a little earlier, but at least it got enough reviews from others for a decision to be reached. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 21:23, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, should have cancelled the request. bamse (talk) 21:52, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Japanese Buddhist architecture

Hi, Bamse. Was busy for a couple of months because of real life events, but now I am back. I was thinking that I could do for Japanese Buddhist architecture what we did for Shinto architecture. It's a much bigger project (see how many entries exist in the Glossary of Japanese Buddhism). Would you be interested in collaborating, with no commitments or deadlines? If so, leave a line in the usual place. -Frank (Urashima Tarō) (talk) 00:12, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Kitsune at Fushimi

A pair of foxes

In the context of your recent edit to rōmon at Fushimi Inari-taisha, I wonder if this kabuki performance here might interest you?

• Fushimi inari torii mae (Before the Torii Gate at the Inari Fox Shrine at Fushimi)—Act 2, Scene 1 of Yoshitune Sembon Zakura (Yoshitsune and the Thousand Cherry Trees).
• Ebizo Ichikawa XI as kitsune in white -- streaming video here, 1:33 mins.

Thanks again for noticing my mistake in that Kamigamo-jinja caption. --Tenmei (talk) 22:13, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

{{Convert}}

The template now accepts bu, sun & shaku. Tell me if there's anything amiss. JIMp _talk·cont 10:00, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! bamse (talk) 16:05, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Japanese Buddhist architecture

The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Query re image

File:Silver fern flag stylised.svg

I noticed that the flag seen on the right was uploaded today to Silver Fern Flag by User:Awiseman. I checked it out and see you were the uploader (to wiki) on 8 November 2008, and you gave the source as your own work and that you were the copyright holder. I remember this design from the Change The New Zealand Flag promotion of a few years ago, as this website shows. Did you design the flag for them, (the NZFlag.com Trust)? Moriori (talk) 01:00, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

No, I did not design the flag for the NZFlag.com Trust. I don't think I ever heard of them. As far as I remember the flag was done on request from some wikipedia or commons (less likely) graphics or illustration lab, so there might be some information in the archives there. As far as I remember, all I did was to create a svg-image based on some existing source (likely a png, gif or jpg image). Can't remember what the source was though. I hope I did not make a mistake with the license. bamse (talk) 07:28, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps you did. The design is exactly the same as the flag at this website I mentioned. So, what "own work" or "copyright" do you actually claim? Moriori (talk) 08:08, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

The vectorization. Can that be copyrighted? Please let me know if I should have it deleted (how?) or if I should upload it under another license. I am not familiar with licensing, but usually careful with it (asked a couple of questions at "Commons talk:Licensing" in cases where I was not sure). bamse (talk) 08:23, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Vectorization? All I know is that someone created that design for the NZFlag.com Trust but Wikipedia is attributing the copyright to someone else. Does not compute. Moriori (talk) 08:34, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

So how shall we proceed? bamse (talk) 09:03, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Truly bamse, you should know what would be the right thing to do. Cheers. Moriori (talk)

Honestly, I am not sure so I asked at Commons talk:Licensing. bamse (talk) 17:00, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

(Outdent) Seems from the conversation there that we need to formalise a licensed use of the image. Tell you what, if you e-mail susan.clifford@hrlmorrison.com and explain that we need authority to use the image, I'm sure it will all end up ok. Cheers Moriori (talk) 02:42, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Hm, I understood the discussion differently. Since I don't remember what source I used it might be a copyright violation. That's why I asked for the image to be deleted. bamse (talk) 11:51, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Meiji era ukiyo-e

Please take a look at the format of Toyohara Chikanobu#Genres. It is clear to me that the format could be improved, but I don't have the skills to know how to do better. Nor do I know who else to ask for critical comments and suggestions.

The edit history for this article will reveal that it is primarily the work of one contributor. My involvement is superficial. This same editor is responsible for both (a) the concept for this genre section and (b) the images which were uploaded. Please allow me to bring User:GaryD144 to your attention. Something good is going on here; and I distrust my ability to provide the kinds of feedback which might be helpful. --Tenmei (talk) 02:08, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

I am far from an expert in woodblock prints. Honestly, I don't think that the Genres section is that bad compared to the rest of the article which consists of many one-sentence paragraphs. There should be more prose but that's true for all of the article. The MOS discourages image galleries, but personally I don't have a problem with them. Possibly the empty space (like at "Warrior prints") could be filled with more pictures. I remember that a member of the wikiproject Japan once claimed to be an expert (or at least being very interested) in woodblock prints. Don't remember who it was, but I think it was one of the regular contributors (Oda Maria, Nihonjoe,...) so you might ask them. Sorry for not being of much help. bamse (talk) 10:35, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Is there really no Japanese article on that artist? bamse (talk) 10:36, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Swords - formatting

In the "Old swords" section, on my screen, the map overlays the table and the text. Thought you'd want to know. Slowly making my way through this. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 01:56, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. It should not do this. What browser are you using? I have the feeling that IE has more problems with the statistics sections in the various national treasure lists than other browsers. Working my way up through the tables (am now at Rai school). bamse (talk) 09:10, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

At the moment I'm on a different computer than I was using last night, and the formatting is fine. I use Safari, but checked with Firefox as well. I'll check again with the other computer later and let you know. Maybe it had something to do with the size of the window? Truthkeeper88 (talk) 13:48, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

There is a "{{-}}" at the end of the statistics section which is supposed to take care of it. Let me know if the problem persists. BTW, I'll be off for a two week (or so) holiday starting on Wednesday. As I wrote, I am working my way up beautifying the tables (Rai school -> Awataguchi school -> ...), so if you don't mind, maybe it is better if you copyedit the subsections "Sōshū or Sagami Province", "Bizen Province", ... and those that follow, in order to avoid editing conflicts. bamse (talk) 17:19, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Don't worry, I won't get to it until my nighttime. Suddenly very busy. I'll be off for a week starting on Wednesday, so will have a chance to do the copyedits before you return, I hope. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 18:38, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Back on the other computer - also using Safari, but I have a larger screen. The map still overlays the text quite badly.

Also, I've moved the commas inside the notes, only on the Yamashiro Province section, but wanted to check with you before moving all of them. I think, per MoS, they should probably be moved. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 01:19, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I believe the commas need to be moved as you did. As for the map, I just realized that you meant the second map. I did a small edit which should fix the overlay problem (but might leave excessive empty space). Maybe some text should be written in the "Old swords (kotō)" section to fill in that empty space. bamse (talk) 08:14, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

I added two sentences (mainly statistics) to the "Old swords (kotō)" section just not to have it completely empty. If you have suggestions on what else could be written there, please let me know. Can't think of anything at the moment. bamse (talk) 09:41, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Done, going through the tables in order to make them more pretty for FLC. Basically I have nothing to add, unless you ask me to. ;-) Is the map still interfering with the text and table? bamse (talk) 15:43, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

The formatting is fine now.

Bamse, this is an amazing list. I think you've outdone yourself this time! I've only managed a first pass, and because I had trouble loading the page made many changes in one edit, unlike my usual pattern of a series of small edits. They will have to be checked, as usual. Unfortunately my eyesight is not good enough to cope with the commas - so I'm leaving you the enormous task of moving the commas before the superscripts. Now that I've been through the entire list, I'll swing through again in a day or so, probably as you're returning. Really interesting and comprehensive. I'm very impressed. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 01:25, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

I am back. Thanks a lot for the copyediting. I will have a closer look over the next couple of days. BTW, do you edit section by section (as I do) or the whole long list article at once? bamse (talk) 17:20, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

I'll move the commas and will reduce footnotes of the jargon type by explaining only the first occurrence of a new term. This should improve readability. bamse (talk) 17:22, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Good to see you back. I've been editing section by section - I have a bit of a load problem with this page, and haven't been following my usual pattern of many small edits. When you're done with the commas and footnotes I'll swing by again. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 21:54, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Went through your edits and all looks fine. Will continue with commas and footnotes now. bamse (talk) 07:59, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Done. I moved all the commas (I hope) and reduced the number of references to jargon footnotes. Feel free to swing by again. bamse (talk) 10:20, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Looks much better. I'll swing through again later today or tonight. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 13:05, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Is it ok for you, if I nominate it at FLC afterwards or do you prefer a later time? bamse (talk) 19:15, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

I think you should go ahead and nominate. I may review this time, as I've done very little work to this one. I'll dip in and continue to polish while it's listed. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 20:50, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Nominated. bamse (talk) 21:19, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Good, got it. I have to run in a few minutes, but will work on later tonight. I see Dabomb is suggesting a name change. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 22:17, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm having no luck at all loading pages tonight. Managed to make a few changes to areas I'd glossed over, but overall looks good. Hopefully I'll have better luck tomorrow. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 01:41, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi Bamse - I owe you an apology! Thought I would be able to do more on this page, but things not going well with the vision in recent days. Sorry. Biggest problem in the review seems to be the template and the formatting of the Japanese characters, but that will be resolved. Had hoped to swing through again today, but can't. So sorry. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 12:34, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

No problem. Hope all is going to be fine with your eyes. All the best! I don't think this template request is a serious problem. bamse (talk) 15:52, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Reply

Thanks for the link; I would not have noticed the country mix-up if it I had not read it. As I said, I'll get to it, but I'll need a bit more time / help. _EricLeb⁰¹ (Page | Talk) 18:19, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Welcome. I stumbled on it when I started to work on the endangered sites. bamse (talk) 20:43, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

re: Tokyo Nat'l Museum

Hi, I saw your request on jawiki, I guess you mistook the reply. It is no copyright issue, the museum simply forbids visitors to use the camera inside. So it is not possible for anyone to fulfill your request. Cheers, --Aphaia (talk) 04:12, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

As far as I know, taking pictures inside the exhibition is generally allowed. Some items (usually those that are on loan from private collectors it seems) are marked with a "no-picture-sign" and photography of them is not allowed. Most other items can be photographed. There is an issue with the usage of those pictures though. The TNM allows private use (watching on your computer, showing family/friends) of those pictures but not commercial use (including wikipedia). So while you can take pictures inside, you'd probably break some TNM house regulations if you upload them on commons. So, yes it is not a copyright issue. bamse (talk) 09:21, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Shoin-zukuri

Hi, Bamse. Just wanted to let you know that I used material from your article "List of National Treasures of Japan (residences)" to expand "Shoin-zukuri", properly crediting it. Cheers. Frank (Urashima Tarō) (talk) 01:03, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you and also for the great work you are doing on Buddhist architecture! bamse (talk) 10:07, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Re: Dagger and double dagger with JAWS

Hi Bamse, those symbols are spoken correctly when I navigate by character with the left and right arrow keys, but they are not spoken when I'm reading the text, unless I set the punctuation level to all, which isn't a default setting. In other words, there's no indication that the symbols are in the text unless a JAWS user reads the text very carefully. Therefore, those symbols are not suitable for that table. This surprises me a bit, because JAWS reads most non-ASCII characters, no matter the punctuation setting. The symbol "*" reads consistently, and so do "^", "°", "#", and just about any other symbol I can think of, besides the daggers! Graham87 03:03, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. I changed the daggers to #, ^. bamse (talk) 15:28, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, sounds good to me. Graham87 16:17, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Return to comments?

Your comments on List of largest volcanic eruptions have been addressed. ResMar 01:50, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Still not sure about the first comment (see reply on the nomination page). I capped the others which indeed have been addressed. bamse (talk) 19:44, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of largest volcanic eruptions/archive1

Needs a revisit when you get the chance. Thanks, Dabomb87 (talk) 04:45, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Revisited. bamse (talk) 19:43, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

List of National Treasures of Japan (crafts: swords)

	The Working Wikipedian's Barnstar
	Congratulations for your efforts editing List of National Treasures of Japan (crafts: swords) to make it a featured list. This would not have been possible without your tireless work to make it a high quality list. Your diligence on bringing many "List of National Treasures of Japan" articles to featured status is notable. Dan Dassow (talk) 02:22, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Glad you like the list(s). bamse (talk) 19:45, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

List of national parks of Pakistan

Could you help a little more in the [Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of national parks of Pakistan/archive1 discussion]. Farjad0322^{(talk|sign|contribs)} 12:35, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Revisited. bamse (talk) 15:56, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

List of National Treasures of Japan (ancient documents)

Hi Bamse! Finally read this article and made a few tweaks. I'd like to think about a couple of sentences that, I think, need rewording before jumping in. I might be back with questions in a day or so. Just wanted you to know I haven't forgotten! Truthkeeper88 (talk) 01:15, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Glad that you are at it. Feel free to ask anything you want. Honestly, this has been the hardest intro to write because the treasures are of many different types and there are no sources (that I am aware of) that discuss Japanese documents. So I am not sure how well the intro connects to the actual list. Basically most of the intro discusses the time before the NT documents were written. Only the last paragraph of the intro somewhat covers the relevant time. The main message (possibly only) of the intro should be that: "writing had become an integral part of Japanese life particularly in government and religion", i.e. these documents are related to government and religion. bamse (talk) 20:26, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Explaining the main message helps. The early writing introduced on artefacts confuses me a bit - I'm assuming the artefacts included some sort of lettering in the form of ... what? Were they Chinese ideograms? I see what you're saying in response to my in-line comment. Need to think about that series of sentences a bit. I'll be gone from editing for a few days, but will try to get started tonight, and then finish later. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 22:51, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes, the artefacts included inscriptions (text) written in Chinese characters: coin, gold seal, seven-branched sword (gold inlay inscription), bronze mirror (inscription in outer circle). As far as I understand, Chinese writing was quite advanced at that time and the characters themselves have not changed much since then (compared to the development from the beginning of writing to now). bamse (talk) 10:38, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

I shuffled around the third paragraph a bit in response to your inline comment. Is it better now? bamse (talk) 10:57, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

It is better, yes. I'll have another run at it a bit later, or tomorrow. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 15:59, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Congratulations on the swords! That was a long review, but also a very complicated piece you created. Nice work! I haven't forgotten the documents, but am working very slowly, as was to be expected. Not too much more to do, so hopefully I'll get to it during the week. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 02:31, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

No problem. Take your time. I reverted one of your edit, because I would like to emphasize that all the documents are either religious in nature or about government/politics. bamse (talk) 15:32, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

I was playing with the sentence and expected the reversion. But the sentence: ( The documents record early Japanese government and religion, particularly Buddhism, early Japanese contact with China, the organization of the state and life at the Japanese imperial court. ) is awkward. How about something like, The documents record Japanese government and religion (particularly Buddhism) in early Japan, as well as early contact with China and the organization of the state and life at the Japanese imperial court.? That's a less radical change - essentially what I want to do is to get Buddhism into parentheses or between emdashes to make it part of religion and not part of the list, if that makes sense? Truthkeeper88 (talk) 00:24, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

I went through the list again and in fact all religious documents are Buddhist, so we can drop the "particularly". I changed the sentence to: The documents record early Japanese government and Buddhism including early Japanese contact with China, the organization of the state and life at the Japanese imperial court. Better? bamse (talk) 09:15, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Slightly better but still needs tweaking. The lead is almost done, but a few other places need work as well. I've run into some complications and am working very slowly. For some reason I decided to place an article at FAC as well, so that's taking all my wiki time, but haven't forgotten! Truthkeeper88 (talk) 20:04, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

No problem. I am working on the huge List of National Treasures of Japan (writings) which will take some time. Probably it needs to be split somehow to make it more manageable. bamse (talk) 20:15, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Another big list! I'm very interested in the ancient documents list, and the other one looks interesting as well. Want to work on the documents list when I really have the time to concentrate rather than hit or miss (because that's when I make mistakes!) Anyway, looks as though you're busy, so I won't worry about it too much. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 20:26, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

I just read through the lead and made a couple of tweaks - I think to errors that I introduced. It reads well. I don't think there's much more I can do here. Apologize for taking so long. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 21:13, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. I'll just have to see what to do with one reference whose url has become unavailable and will nominate it then. bamse (talk) 22:14, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Apparently working url-s are not a requirement, so I nominated it here. bamse (talk) 09:22, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

I'll watch it. Good luck. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 11:33, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Gordon Bennett Cup (ballooning)/archive1

Hey bamse, as usual, thanks for your comments at FLC. My nomination is getting a little WP:TLDR so I was wondering if you could re-visit (it's changed a bit!) and re-review, capping anything that may no longer be relevant? Cheers, The Rambling Man (talk) 17:33, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Done. (Still one outstanding question) bamse (talk) 20:41, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of World Heritage Sites in Spain/archive1

Hey Bamse, I've made some additional edits to this list and was wondering if you could have a look. Thanks, Grsz¹¹ 15:30, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

e-yakimono RS question

I added a response to your question at WP:RSN; since it's been a while since you asked, I thought that I would let you know here. Qwyrxian (talk) 00:58, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. bamse (talk) 01:27, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Wikibreak

Hi Bamse, I just wanted you to know that I'll be out indefinitely. Maybe I'll be back soon, maybe not. I'll watch your work from the distance though. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 08:53, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Sad to hear that you semi-retired. Hope you enjoy your wikibreak. Thanks for all the good edits. bamse (talk) 10:40, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Sadlery terms

This may be a small step in a good direction:

1. flanchards (八子, hane); compare mawashi and sagari of sumo wrestlers
2. crupper (尻繋, shirigai); strap running from the cantle of the saddle to the horse's dock
3. braided reins (差縄, sashinawa)
4. mud guards (障泥, aori)
5. ornaments (雲珠, uzu); compare sutra case, decorative bolls on roof hips
6. breastplate (胸繋, munagai); see NDL: 胸繋
7. champron (銀面, ginmen); headpiece resting between the ears and along the nose ridge, supported by browband; synonyms: frontstall, testiere

For me, this was a welcome and timely change of pace from Senkaku Islands dispute. --Tenmei (talk) 09:24, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I will need some time to process this information. Up to now I thought a saddle was a one-piece thing. Very interesting to learn that it can have so many parts. bamse (talk) 10:55, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for putting it in the table. bamse (talk) 23:16, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Signpost "Features and admins" column

Hi Bamse,

The Signpost's "Features and admins" page now includes a "Choice of the week" for featured articles, featured lists and featured pictures. Each week, The Signpost invites a different delegate, reviewer or nominator from each process to select what they think is the best, or their favourite, item, and to give their reasons. These reasons can be technical (e.g., related to the Criteria) or subjective, or both.

Would you be willing to do this with featured lists for next week’s edition? If you agree, promotions from Saturday 16 October to Friday 22 October will be eligible. They will be listed here by Saturday UTC, and we would need your text by Sunday UTC. Examples from previous weeks are accessible by clicking on "← PREVIOUS Features and admins" at the bottom. Cheers, Dabomb87 (talk) 02:54, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

I could do this, but not for this week's edition due to business in RL. How detailed do the reasons need to be? I am afraid that my selection would be very subjective as I don't care much for pop and sports lists. Is this a problem? bamse (talk) 09:20, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

That's fine; you can do it another week. Don't worry about subjectivity; that's exactly what we are looking for. Thanks, Dabomb87 (talk) 13:18, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of World Heritage Sites in Peru/archive1

Would you be able to revist this FLC? I responded to your comment and wondered if you could follow up. Thanks, Grsz¹¹ 22:25, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Denver RTD light rail stations/archive1, too? Thanks, Dabomb87 (talk) 23:11, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Revisited both. bamse (talk) 00:59, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

preserved churches

Just wanted to let you know I've left a comment concerning my observations on the sources, I hope it helps. Afro (Talk) 07:25, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. Much appreciated. bamse (talk) 19:03, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

FL and ACCESS

As a regular at FLC, I'd like to draw your attention to ongoing discussion here about changes to the format of tables which will affect all existing FLs and all current and future FLCs. Your input would be welcome. Thanks for your contributions so far! The Rambling Man (talk) 20:19, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Dynamic lists

Why is it not obvious to add {{dynamic list}} at List of National Treasures of Japan (ancient documents)#Treatures?

Are there circumstances in which Template:dynamic list is considered inelegant or inappropriate?

I understand each of the words, but I don't understand the context implied by one question here. Your response suggests you know something I need to learn.

Do we anticipate that the utility and credibility of this list is devalued by some unpredictable actions of the Japanese government in 2011 or 2012 ... or 2020? --Tenmei (talk) 20:47, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Not sure which of the three questions and response you are referring to. Which? Template:Dynamic list is for for lists which may never be able to satisfy certain standards for completion. I don't think this applies to the national treasure lists since they are complete. bamse (talk) 21:04, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

This comment and your response inspired my question:

National Treasures of Japan says there are 59 items on this list; what is the reason for the discrepancy?

That's because I forgot to update the National Treasures of Japan article with this year's new nomination ("Map of rice fields in Naruto, Imizu District, Etchū Province"). As of this year, there are 60 ancient documents national treasures. Fixed. bamse 13:40, 24 October 2010

Why not add add {{dynamic list}} now -- even today when you know that your work is the most up-to-date listing possible? This list will always be a evolving? always a "work in progress"? more unpredictable than List of Major League Baseball players from Japan, for example? --Tenmei (talk) 21:45, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Yes it will always be evolving, but I still think that the template should not be placed on any of the national treasure lists. The number of National Treasures does increase by 1-5 per year (in 21st century). However I think that this is irrelevant for this discussion. The template places the text: "This is an incomplete list, which may never be able to satisfy particular standards for completeness. You can help by expanding it with reliably sourced entries." at the top of the article. However the list is complete (as of today) and it is impossible to expand it (as of today). Updates (i.e. new National Treasures) to the list of all national treasures occur at most every 3 months (recently more like every 6 months). There are currently 13 Lists of National Treasures of Japan, so any one of these lists is on average updated only every fourth year (assuming 3 new NT per year and equal designations of all categories) which is pretty stable to me and not at all dynamic. If we were to mark articles that need to be updated over a 4 year timeframe, quite a lot on wikipedia would need to be marked. If you have a look at the articles that use this template, they are as far as I can see all lists of huge number of items (List of karateka, List of J-pop artists), too many to ever list all of them in wikipedia; They are very much unlike the national treasure lists which are a very well defined set of (currently and at least for another month or so) 1081 entries. bamse (talk) 22:53, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for parsing this for me. Your investment of time and thought is appreciated. --Tenmei (talk) 23:41, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

List of National Treasures of Japan (crafts: others)

Hello. You recently added a citation to a book from the "Webster's Quotations, Facts and Phrases" series published by Icon Group International to this article. Unfortunately, Icon Group International is not a reliable source - their books are computer-generated, with most of the text copied from Wikipedia (most entries have [WP] by them to indicate this, see e.g. [1]).

I've only removed the reference, not the text it was referencing. A lot of similar references have been removed as they are circular references; many other editors have also been duped by these sources. Despite giving an appearance of reliability, the name "Webster's" has been public domain since the late 19th century. Another publisher to be wary of as they reuse Wikipedia articles is Alphascript Publishing. Fences&Windows 01:15, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks and sorry for not being careful enough with this reference. Will try to find another reference for the statement in question. bamse (talk) 21:50, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Re: WHS

Whoa, when did that happen? Europe and North America were distinct from each other at one point. I also see that UNESCO revamped their website. That might have something to do with it. Either way, yeah, both articles will have to be merged if we follow that logic. _EricLeb⁰¹ (Page | Talk) 00:58, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

No, there isn't, but we still stay consistent with UNESCO's definitions. _EricLeb⁰¹ (Page | Talk) 02:21, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Hello

Hi Bamse, hope you're well. As an editor who has used the services of the Guild of Copy Editors, I thought you might be interested in knowing that the Guild is currently holding elections for its coordinators. To view the discussion and voice your opinion, please visit the election page. Thanks! Lunalet (talk) 10:32, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

List of National Treasures of Japan (crafts: others)

I've done the first pass, but it needs another pass. As usual, interesting reading. I noticed the national treasures has inconsistent capitalization usage, in some cases it's national treasures & in others it's National Treasures. I'm thinking it's probably a proper noun but I'm not entirely certain. In any case, it should be fixed throughout, and I'll leave that to you. I'll return in a few days for a second pass. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 02:12, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Checked for changes in meaning and did not discover any, good job! I'll capitalize all "NT" as in the National Treasures of Japan article. bamse (talk) 10:04, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Happy that I didn't change the meanings. I've made another run through with some very minor tweaking. I think it's okay now. Let me know when you list it and I'll watch it as I have time. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 21:55, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Here you are. bamse (talk) 00:18, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

The image of TAIMA_MANDALA in List of National Treasures of Japan (crafts: others) is not the original but a later copy(after 14th century). The Photo is rare.--ReijiYamashina (talk) 02:17, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

I saw Reiji Yamashina's talk page. Out of curiosity, what does "PHOTO. DONC." mean? Oda Mari (talk) 04:50, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

DONC is a french word: it means THEREFORE --ReijiYamashina (talk) 12:24, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. Oda Mari (talk) 04:49, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Hi Bamse - I forgot to drop by and congratulate you for another job well-done. This one took a little while at review and I was happy to see it end with the usual good result. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 03:46, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks to you. One more to go (possibly to be split into several articles/lists). It'll take some time before it is ready to be nominated though. bamse (talk) 10:40, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Sounds good. You've added a lot to the encyclopedia and I enjoy working on these and learn from them. I tried to see the one you linked, but it wouldn't load for me. Will try again from another computer and place it on my watchlist. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 15:18, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Oops, should have been this one. bamse (talk) 15:20, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

MOS-JA for dates?

In mid-December, you asked a question about date format Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan#Japanese calendar.

My opinion represents no clear answer to this inquiry, but it does become a constructive step towards establishing an explicit Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Japan-related articles) format. --Tenmei (talk) 03:03, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Icon group international

I found this being used in a draft in your userspace. Unfortunately, Icon Group International is not a reliable source - their books are computer-generated, with most of the text copied from Wikipedia (most entries have [WP] by them to indicate this, see e.g.[2]). Despite giving an appearance of reliability, the name "Webster's" has been public domain since the late 19th century. Another publisher to be wary of as they reuse Wikipedia articles is Alphascript Publishing. [User:Dougweller|Dougweller]] (talk) 13:04, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

FLC

I was recently topic-banned from Armenia/Azerbaijan-related stuff, so will be unable to address further concerns on List of people on stamps of Azerbaijan. Twilightchill t 01:17, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Question

Hi, Bamse, genki? I was wondering if you would be able to transfer this template to English Wikipedia. If not or you have no time, no big deal. Thanks. Frank (Urashima Tarō) (talk) 03:48, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Already done. Thanks anyway.Frank (Urashima Tarō) (talk) 05:01, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Wow, that was quick! Didn't even have time to read your request. bamse (talk) 09:33, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Created two templates you may be interested in, one is Template:EOS, the other, closer to your needs, Template:Jaanus2.-Frank (Urashima Tarō) (talk) 10:44, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. That's going to be useful. bamse (talk) 17:44, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

FLs on the mainpage

Hi bamse, I'm not sure if you're aware but the FL community are actively pursuing a proposal to get featured lists onto the mainpage regularly. Would you be able to provide a "blurb" for one of your FLs, perhaps List of National Treasures of Japan (ancient documents), at User:The Rambling Man/Main page FL candidates? Let us know if you need further advice about this, it's a great chance for us to change the way Wikipedia works and present our lists on the main page! The Rambling Man (talk) 14:51, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Yep, base it on the format of the other blurbs, and aim for around 1000 chars if possible. If it looks okay, it probably is okay! Thanks for your interest! The Rambling Man (talk) 15:50, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

That was a quick reply! Working on it. bamse (talk) 16:26, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Excellent, when you're happy with it, please move it to the link I gave above, there it'll receive a more centralised review before we propose it (amongst others) next week. Thanks! The Rambling Man (talk) 16:30, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

OK. bamse (talk) 19:49, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Moved it. bamse (talk) 17:30, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

List of people on stamps of Azerbaijan

hello,

could you revisit this FLC, please? Is there anything that needs to be corrected? Thank you.-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 17:24, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

WP Japan in the Signpost

"WikiProject Report" would like to focus on WikiProject Japan for a Signpost article. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Other editors will also have an opportunity to respond to the interview questions. If you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Have a great day. -Mabeenot (talk) 04:05, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

List of National Treasures of Japan (writings: others)

Hi Bamse - just so you know, I am giving the sutra section a pretty good going over. I'm interested in the subject, writing and literature being my specialities, but more importantly, it seems to be the most important section in the article. Please change any mistakes I've made. I'm stopping for tonight because I'm losing my concentration, but will continue tomorrow. Thought I'd let you know that I particularly like the silver ink on indigo paper ones - quite amazing work. Also, I have a few questions but will wait until I'm done with the section. Truthkeeper88 02:01, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

That's quick and much before the weekend! If your speciality is writing and literature, I am even more looking forward to your questions in order to improve the article and iron out potential errors. To me the topic is somewhat new and I had to read quite a bit before I could write anything meaningful. Just to make sure, the sutra section and all the other sections are meant to stand on their own without any connection between them. At least that's how I wrote them. Some comments on today's edits:

• [3]: Not sure about the "became established". Sounds as if there was a little bit of writing before the introduction of Buddhism which may or may not have been the case. The original sentence only says that writing was introduced some time between 400 and the 6th century.
• [4]: Basically fine, I leave it up to you to decide whether it is essential to hint that there were other factors (the second major factor was the organization of the state/accounting, etc. which is not relevant for sutra copying).
• [5]: Meaning has changed I believe. The sentence is meant to say that it is the oldest extant sutra which is complete, i.e. there are older Japanese sutras but they exist in fragments only.
• [6]: Meaning changed. The original sentence is meant to say that there were more sutras copied than Chinese secular works or Japanese works. "(of which there were few)" refers to the Japanese works only (not to Chinese secular works).
• [7]: Meaning changed. "Perhaps as early" should be replaced with something like "Not later than" (in fact it was likely much before that date).
• [8]: "hence the purpose" sounds a bit strange to me, but you are the expert!
• [9]: Possibly slight change of meaning. Original sentence was not very clear either. "in particular sutras produced after..." Here are really only meant the sutras that are mentioned in the decree. (It is not the case that the decree started a new style of sutras, or that all sutras after 741 were gold/silver ink on indigo/purple/colored paper).

bamse (talk) 02:46, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

• • Replaced #3 & 4. Will work on the others tomorrow. Thanks for the speedy feedback - I was afraid I might be changing the meaning while tightening the sentences. Will come back at it when my brain is refreshed. Truthkeeper88 03:02, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Time to go to sleep here. bamse (talk) 03:10, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi Bamse, just wanted you to know that I was mistaken about my schedule and turns out not as busy as I thought for the next two weeks. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 21:06, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Unfortunately I will be busy for at least another week. Looking at the last candidacy the whole process took about a month. Do you know about your schedule from mid-March to mid April (or later)? Will you have time for an occasional look every couple of days? As far as I remember there were no big issues with language in the other NT lists, so probably not much work on your part will be needed. bamse (talk) 22:08, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

I'll be around mid-March to mid-April & checking in regularly. Busy in early in May though, and traveling mid-May, just so you know. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 22:14, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Fine. I'll nominate it in about a week or so. Will let you know then. Thanks. bamse (talk) 22:28, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

RE: FL review; List of First Deputies of the USSR

Question, you've left the question; " was the work/power shared between them?" And I'm not entirely clear on what you mean.. Other than they split responsibilities over a giving area there was no power sharing.

You're other question, " Is the break 1935–1941 explained in the lead?", the only explanation is that no one was elected to the post in that time frame. There simply are not any better explanations. --TIAYN (talk) 12:27, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Replied there. bamse (talk) 15:56, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

I've fixed the column problem, and I think I've found the problem the reason for the break between 1935–1941. --TIAYN (talk) 15:27, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Photos

Sorry if they really need photos. But they had some photos and were in Category:Articles which may no longer need images. If you think they actually need photo, then more specific info is needed and there should be added "{{reqphoto|of=what image is needed|in=Japan}}". That "of=..." is necessary then the bot won't add that category again. Thanks. Pelmeen10 (talk) 18:22, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Basically yes. "of=varios missing photos" or something like that. Or if only few photos are missing then can be written all those. Pelmeen10 (talk) 18:29, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Add them both. (that template and "{{reqphoto|of=what image is needed|in=Japan}}"). Pelmeen10 (talk) 19:08, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

POTD notification

POTD

Hi Bamse,

Just to let you know that the Featured Picture File:Zhou Maoshu Appreciating Lotuses.jpg is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on March 23, 2011. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2011-03-23. howcheng {chat} 20:59, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for your helpful advice and your support for List of longest rivers of the United States (by main stem), which was promoted to Featured List yesterday. Finetooth (talk) 16:10, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Question about images

Hi Bamse, I can't remember whether I've asked this before, but how does one move an image from Commons to enwp? The issue has come up for an article I have at here at FAC. Thanks. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 01:46, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Nevermind - I think I've figured it out. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 03:19, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Prose

I'm very sorry Bamse, didn't get to it last night. Hopefully this afternoon or this evening. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 18:09, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

No problem. bamse (talk) 21:29, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

I've done what I can for tonight. It's probably best for you to work on the tightening by removing any words that are absolutely not necessary. I don't always know what's necessary and what's not. I'll swing through again tomorrow, but it's hard for me to catch the vagueness because I've worked on these to such an extent that it makes sense to me. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 00:48, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Hi, I left a message on my page, but it wasn't very clear. I did swing through again and didn't really find anything to change but forgot to tell you. I think it looks better, so I'd go ahead and comment on the FLC page and see what you get back. I have a few moments now, so will have another quick look. Btw - you weren't being pushy - I forgot to follow up. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 20:27, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Interesting conversation here regarding punctuation. I tend to follow less US-centric style punctuation, but sometimes a reviewer either doesn't understand that the rules differ, or simply thinks fixes are necessary. I also tend to follow your writing style as much as possible in these articles, because they really are beautiful. Anyway, let's see if any of these tweaks help. Feel free to revert the edit to the lead - I understand that situation and simply can't think of a way to fix it. Need a quick break and will comb through one more time a bit later to see if I can find anything else, but certainly I'd post something to the nom page now. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 22:08, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Congrats on another well deserved promotion. Too bad it took so long though. FLC and FAC are both running slowly at the moment; I have an article at FAC that's not attracting reviewers and may do the same thing you did, because am not around much now to tend it, and will soon be gone altogether for a few weeks. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 14:43, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks to you! Which article do you have at FAC? I am not familiar with FA reviews but have been doing some FLC reviews. If it is not too far from my field of interest, maybe I could give it a try and be an FA reviewer. I guess the easiest way to attract reviewers is to change topics and write about sports, pop culture, etc. bamse (talk) 14:59, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

I have Olivia Shakespear at FAC - the nom is here. It's a biography of a woman who was a minor novelist and whose notability lies mainly in her involvement with various modernist poets. I agree that writing about pop culture attracts more reviewers. That said, I think the work you're doing is truly encyclopedic and important. Unfortunately for many it may seem esoteric - but presenting the esoteric is the point of an encyclopedia, in my mind. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 23:51, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Looks like you got quite some reviews already. How many reviews are typically needed at FAC? Is there a time limit for candidacies? Quite a tough subject for me, so I'd rather wait to see if more reviews are coming in (I noticed you placed a request at WP Literature). bamse (talk) 00:06, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Don't wouldn't worry about it - it is a tough and a specialized subject. I suspect I'll get a review from the lit people, or someone will pick it up as it drops down the list. What's your next project? Truthkeeper88 (talk) 00:10, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Alright, good luck with the article in any case! Next project is the last of the NT lists. It'll still need a couple of months or so... bamse (talk) 00:24, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

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National Treasures - Writings - Others

I don't know whether you're still after comments on NTs - writings - others. Know little about this, but here's a few comments in case they are of any value: (1) You mention the designation criteria in line 1 - could these be wikilinked? (2) For introduction of writing Realms of Literacy sounds like it will be interesting (3) Pedantic point, but in statistics would 'municipality' be more accurate than city? (4) A couple of unanswered questions I had were (i) conservation measures and access and (ii) how important stamps/seals and the ownership history is for designation as an NT - if some authors are unknown it can't all be down to authorship; what is it that makes these particularly significant? Is it rarity of an early text, the only ms surviving? Or aesthetics? (5) Would Japanese literature make a good category? (6) Don't know if De Visser's old book might be a useful ref. Superb article, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 11:00, 29 April 2011 (UTC) Oh yes, and what's the relationship with NTs - ancient documents? 11:02, 29 April 2011 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk • contribs)

Always grateful for feedback, so thanks. (1) Not sure what I should wikilink, i.e. which word to which article? (2) Indeed, looks like it might be interesting. Unfortunately I don't have access to a library at the moment and there are other books higher up on my wishlist. (3) Good point, and you are right. If I understand correctly Tokyo's "-ku" are municipalities, so taking this list as an example, I'd have to split the "Tokyo-Tokyo" entry in "Tokyo-Taito", "Tokyo-Bunkyo",... which I'd rather avoid as most readers probably consider Tokyo as a city. How about having a heading "Municipalities" with a footnote saying that "for the purpose of this list, the specail wards of Tokyo are treated together as "Tokyo"" (that's where the wikilink goes to at the moment as well). (4i): Honestly I don't know much more than is written here; (4ii): This interesting question turned up a couple of times on talk pages and in FLCs. Basically the Agency for Cultural Affairs asks experts whether the items are of "particularly high value from the standpoint of world culture or outstanding treasures for the Japanese people" and the experts decide. Since it is a somewhat subjective decision, and I haven't found any reliable sources discussing the decision process of the experts, I am reluctant to write anything on this issue in wikipedia articles. I can give you my own view: from looking at the items, it appears that some are the oldest extant objects of a text (or the oldest extant complete texts). Others are definitely interesting for their historic value and might exist only as a single copy (plus possible recent copies for preservation purposes). I think that beauty plays only a small role, in the decision. (5) Yes, and added! (6) Will have to see whether I can find it somewhere. bamse (talk) 16:16, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

(1) The word 'criteria', but I take it these aren't so developed as UNESCO's for the WHS? (3) Had more in mind that a couple are towns not cities, but yes Tokyo is also a case in point. (4) (i) was wondering whether there are any particular guidelines on the 'utilization' of these particularly photo-sensitive materials, but the other discussion is certainly good; wonder whether a separate 'conservation in Japan' article might be worthwhile at some point (ii) Haven't seen much about this and your familiarity with the entire corpus must be useful - shame about 'NOR'... (6) Think from recollection it's more on contents and application than their calligraphic status. Thanks a lot, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 18:19, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Is there much of a distinction from NTs - ancient documents? (And shame about those JNTO images) Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 18:20, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

(1) Well, the criteria AFAIK are currently just "particularly high value from the standpoint of world culture or outstanding treasures for the Japanese people" as I wrote above. So can't really link to an article. As for these and older criteria, have a look a the history section of National Treasures of Japan. (3) Yes, the towns/villages would be covered with a change to "Municipalities". Unless you object strongly, I'll change to "Municipalities" with a note explaining Tokyo. (4i) There is Conservation_Techniques_for_Cultural_Properties which ought to get its own article. Haven't really looked into what kind of conservation techniques it covers though. (4ii) Do you happen to know whether World heritage articles discuss such issues (i.e. why certain sites have been selected and others not).? Sorry, forgot about your question on the ancient documents before. As far as I can see, "ancient documents" contains documents (registers, letters, maps), i.e. mainly texts motivated by politics or the organization of the state. "Writings - books/others" on the other hand contains "less practical" writings, literature and sutras. Does this make sense? With some entries one could probably argue that they'd be better in the other list, but after all, the agency decided on what goes where. bamse (talk) 18:48, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Thank you - and no, I don't think the WHS articles do discuss that sort of thing, there's just World_heritage_site#Selection_criteria, although there are then guidelines such as this and publications such as this. Where would a list of the Japanese Intangible Cultural Properties go (ie the crafts and the performance traditions, but not the 'Living Treasures' themselves)? Thanks, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 19:06, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Oops, so far I thought that those were the same as the Living National Treasures, which is not true after reading about it. I believe User:Urashimataro wrote Intangible Cultural Properties of Japan, that's why I don't know much about it. If the Intangible Cultural Properties of Japan stays as short as it is at the moment, the list of the Important Intangible Cultural Properties could go to the end of that article and a redirect to it should be created in List of Important Intangible Cultural Properties. I modified the template accordingly. Actually now I am a bit confused. According to this document page 2, Living National Treasures are not Cultural Properties of Japan and should therefore not appear in the Template:Cultural Properties of Japan, or should they? bamse (talk) 21:47, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

According to p.36, 'The national government designates especially significant Intangible Cultural Properties as "Important Intangible Cultural Properties" while simultaneously recognizing individuals or groups that have achieved advanced mastery of the pertinent technique as the holder or holders of that Important Intangible Cultural Property so as to ensure the transmission of traditional artistry.' These 'Living National Treasures' seem to be what are listed on the first page of the document so presumably there's room for both? Per the database, tenth box '重要無形文化財', it looks like there's 110 of these Important Intangible Cultural Properties, which I think from the individual entries are distinct (though closely related to) their recognized 'holders'. Would that my 日本語 were better... In the template, should 'Important Intangible Cultural Properties' link directly to 'Intangible Cultural Properties of Japan'? Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 03:43, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

And another question for you: according to this, re Zuihōden, one of its buildings was designated a National Treasure before being destroyed in the War (and I don't think it's on the inventory any more). Have you come across any other similar cases? (The terminology may be being loosely applied, but I don't think it's currently an ICP either). Thanks, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 05:24, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Unindent... Very interesting list of Important Intangible CP, thanks already! After some more careful thought I agree with having the Living Treasures covered here (also see my reply to Urashimataro below). Hopefully I got the linking right with these three edits: [10], [11], [12]. As for your other question: Indeed the Zuihōden is not a National Treasure (in my opinion well worth a visit anyway if you haven't seen it yet). Hiroshima Castle and Tōdaiji Fujumonkō are other examples that were destroyed in WWII. If you wish, you could add the Zuihōden to the list of examples at the end of this section. 206 structure NT were destroyed, not sure about the number of art objects destroyed. However, there were more than 8000 pre-war NT (compared to ca. 1000 now), so some of the destroyed NT might not have been designated under the present (apparently stricter) law. Two more things, I forgot to mention before... As for the difference between "ancient documents" and "writings", items in "ancient documents" are generally unique (i.e. only one copy of them was created), while items in "writings" were generally copied (a long time ago for circulation) and extant manuscripts in many cases don't correspond to the originals (which have been lost) but to these copies (which in the case of the Kojiki are several hundred years younger than the time of compilation). As with my comments above, these not official criteria, but only how it looks to me. bamse (talk) 18:58, 30 April 2011 (UTC) Second point I forgot, is: the main reason I decided to write somewhat extensive introductions to these NT lists, is that I wanted to put the listed items in historical context and explain their importance (kind of answering indirectly the question: "Why have these items and not others been designated?"). As you can see from most/all of these lists' intros, many designated items are the first (extant) of a certain type/style/genre. bamse (talk) 19:16, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Hello again. About Zuihōden, I unfortunately haven't yet had a chance to visit, but will certainly add it to the list of lost treasures. I was aware of the lost structures reference in Hozon, though there are no further details. Thanks a lot for the "ancient documents" and "writings" distinction, that makes it very clear. And your introductions to the 'lists' (they are so much more) are extremely informative. I had just been wondering whether, like for the UNESCO listings where ICOMOS writes the Advisory Body Evaluations encapsulating how each property meets the specific criteria, there are such evaluations/evaluation documents (publisher or unpublished) for the NTs etc. According to Larsen Architectural Preservation in Japan (p.38), the criteria are "(1) those excellent in design (2) those produced with advanced techniques (3) those of major historic value (4) those prominent in the characteristics of any school of architecture of any province. (As for the buildings belonging to the Muromachi and later periods, only those particularly representative or unique examples can be designated). (5) those of high value from the scholarly (art historical-scientific) point of view (this criterion was added in 1975)." Unfortunately there's no real elaboration of this. On the intangibles front, Article 71 of the [Cultural Properties Law], the Minister may designate an Important Intangible Cultural Property, and 'in performing the designation under the provision of the previous paragraph…shall recognised a bearer or a bearing body…of the said element'. I would have said that they are so closely connected that they should both be included, so I'm glad you are in favour; those edits look good to me. I have made the amendments you have suggested as best I can. I'm not entirely sure about the redirect for Preservers of Important Intangible Cultural Properties, though, as the 'Selected Preservation/Conservation Techniques' (選定保存技術) include both tangibles and intangibles, and these techniques like the (other) intangibles also have recognised bearers, so that redirect seems a little ambiguous. Might 'bearers' be a better word? Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 21:15, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

I am sure there must be some kind of "advisory body" documents for NT as well (since the experts prepare a report), however I don't know where to find them or whether they are public at all. I agree that it would be very interesting to read why some items were designated. The Larsen criteria are for NTs? If yes, it would make a good addition to National_Treasures_of_Japan#Designation_procedure. Not sure what your issue with the redirect is. The intangible preservers/bearers are in this article at the moment, no? As for beareres/preservers, I don't have a preference; what do the sources use? PS: Wondering at the moment, why there is no NT of the Genji manuscript (apart from the emaki). Is the oldest extant to young or is it in possession of the Imperial Household? bamse (talk) 23:43, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

I'll add the Larsen (these criteria are for ICPs, but aren't NTs a subset of these, namely those "which are of especially high value from the viewpoint of world culture and which are the matchless treasures of the nation"?). My point about the preservers/bearers is that 'preservers of important intangible cultural properties' (ie the living national treasures - bearers/holders of performance traditions and crafts) could be confused with the bearers/holders of the 'special preservation (or conservation) techniques' that relate to intangible properties. (Although I haven't explored this all that much yet so maybe there is overlap... Will get back to you.) On the Genji front, apparently the original text does not survive (the abbreviated text accompanying the emaki is the earliest surviving version); the three textual traditions are (1) derived from Fujiwara Teika's (d.1241) Aobyōshi recension; (2) the Kawachi recension, 21 texts collated by Minamoto no Mitsuyuki (d.1244) and Chikayuki (d.1277); (3) the beppon group that is separate from these two. (Refs Shirane Bridge of Dreams 225f.; Okada Figures of Resistance 20f.; Pekarik Ukifune 83ff.) I guess that's why there's no NT, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 01:02, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the details on Genji manuscripts. Do you mean, there are bearers/preservers (i.e. humans) of these conservation techniques? So far I thought only Cultural_Properties_of_Japan#Intangible_Cultural_Properties had bearer/preservers associated with them. bamse (talk) 09:25, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

I think that's right: per Conservation Techniques for Cultural Properties, it looks like there are individual and group holders associated with each technique; as such, per the above, 'preservers of important intangible cultural properties' might be confused with the holders of the preservation/conservation techniques relating to intangibles. What do you think is the best thing to do? Also, I'm a bit confused by the separate designations of Kibitsu Jinja 1 and 2. Is the Honden not an NT? It looks pretty indistinguishable from the Haiden…Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 17:28, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Great article/list! Indeed there are preservers for the conservation techniques as well (per database). In the database, the holders/bearers seem to be referred to as 保持者, which could be translated with "holder". I think I see now what confusion you mean. In my opinion the most consistent way would be to call it "Holders/preservers/bearers of Important Intangible CP" and "Holders/preservers/bearers of Selected Conservation Techniques" (choose one of holders/preservers/bearers). I don't think there is an issue with confusion since hardly any reader will know what these titles mean and will need to consult the introduction of the article which should have a clear definition of what they relate to. No need to be confused about Kibitsu-jinja: Honden-Haiden of Okayama's Kibitsu Shrine is a national treasure per [13]. This is this shrine's honden (in Fukuyama, Hiroshima-ken and an ImpCP). How about having names of individual or groups instead of "Individual/Group" in the "Holder" column of the List of Selected Conservation Techniques? bamse (talk) 20:40, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks re Kibitsu Jinja - had just been reading about the Hōryūji Kondō, which apparently is doubly listed, the restored version as an NT and the flambéed members as an ICP, and was wondering if there was something related going on. Missed the different Prefecture thing... (I didn't immediately spot the two for Hōryūji in the database, but there are a lot there.) 'Holders' is probably good, I think that's the term I've seen most often if you're happy with that. Agreed about the names of the individuals/groups in the 'Holder' column (to be worked on), Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 17:35, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Not at all essential, but after changing to holders' names, one could color code the "individula/group" information, kind of like it is done here, with three colors: Individuals, Individuals and Groups, Groups. bamse (talk) 17:45, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Sounds good, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 18:00, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Living National Treasures

Hi. I think that, regardless of how things legally stand, the question:

Are living National Treasures are "Cultural Properties" and should they appear in the Template:Cultural Properties of Japan or not?

has no clean-cut answer. On the one hand, a person cannot be property. That's common sense. On the other, LNT have so many things in common with true cultural properties that it would be strange NOT to include them. I would. Frank (Urashima Tarō) (talk) 07:32, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. bamse (talk) 18:58, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Macrons

Hello again, I was just wondering, if one searches in Google for Zuihōden (with 'ō') the Wikipedia article comes up as the first hit, whereas I'm not finding it with Zuihoden (with 'o') at all; is that something you have come across? Seems a shame if for the sake of accuracy of transliteration and naming the articles don't get found? I'm not sure if redirects make any difference, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 23:50, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Hm, strange. Haven't come across this yet. Maybe a google bug/feature? In fact google finds the article even when searching for "Zuihoden". It just appears much later in the search results and google seems to find it not through the article's name but through a url in the article which contains the string ("www.zuihoden.com"). I'll ask for comments at the WP:Japan talk page as it concerns many Japanese articles. bamse (talk) 23:59, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! The tentative WHS list certainly has some interesting entries - fuller listings of the monuments included within each site are available and I will update shortly. Don't know whether the fact that the Takamatsuzuka paintings have now been detached and carved up into cubes will affect the chances of the Asuka listing :( Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 00:15, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

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Hello again, I've added a few entries to the List and was wondering what format you suggest for events based on the old lunar calendar: should some brief mention be made in the intro and then eg Lunar 1/1-5, or ca. Jan 1-5, or Jan 1-5 (Lunar), or a full narrative version each time, or what? Am I right in thinking the 'dtsh' template is some kind of date sorter? Also, pages 169ff. of this might help with 'official' English versions (and the 'Holders'). I've created a few v.brief related stubs recently since they might be the best way to link in from the city articles etc (I don't think you can link to individual lines). (Plus have you come across Ševčenko's law?) That said, having inserted a couple of links to your various Cultural Property/National Treasure articles in the main Japan page (somehow there was none before), the number of views dropped. Also, if you have a moment would you mind checking eg this upload of this image, in particular the licensing: I'm not entirely sure what passes (have plumped for Free Art) and could not work out how to get the TUSC uploader or even, on the licensing front, the upload from other Wikimedia project options to work; (don't want to upload too many if I'm getting it wrong, and imagine you have some experience)? Also, what's your view on including the date of designation? For eg the cultural landscapes it's quite noticeable/?notable? that these are all recent, and many of them v.v. recent. For NTs/ICPs also, is this a case of low-hanging fruit? Just one other thought: perhaps any further updates to the folk intangibles article should be prepared off-line so as not to jeopardise a DYK for …one of the two Necessities of Life are Etchū Fukuoka sedge-woven hats, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 13:32, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

As for the image, the original is licenced as "GFDL" and so should the one you uploaded. That's also what commonshelper does. So you should change "FAL" to "GFDL" I believe. bamse (talk) 14:30, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Wow, lots of questions. Thanks for the additions. As for the lunar date, I was wondering the same a while ago. I don't have an idea on how to deal with mixed lunar and non-lunar (western) dates in a single table. I guess the date column should be made unsortable in these cases. Very good UNESCO reference, thanks! Will have a look at the image upload shortly (I am not an expert on licencing though and usually direct all of those questions to here). I don't mind having the date of designation in the tables (if there is space for an extra column). However I am not sure whether this information is really interesting. It probably tells more about the designation process than about the cultural properties. Since those are "Lists of Cultural Properties" and not "Timelines of designation of CP", I left the dates out, but (as I wrote) I don't feel strongly about having dates in the tables. "Cultural Landscapes" are recent since they've been designated only since 2004 (?) or so while today's National Treasures have been designated since 1951. Will prepare future updates to the folk intangibles in user space, but at the moment, I am busy with the last of the National Treasure tables. bamse (talk) 14:10, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for the links and suggestions. Good luck with the NTs writings:books - a beautiful grouping. Would you like a (v. few) comments or not at this stage? Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 16:13, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, always happy to get feedback, so go ahead. The list has not been edited for language issues yet. I have two questions on the list: i) Shall I split it in two lists: Japanese/Chinese books (corresponding to sections 3.1 and 3.2)? Not to eager to do that since I'd have to redo the statistics section (including maps) and check which reference books belong to which list and go through the FL process twice. There are similarly long (124 entries) National Treasure lists, but if you think that a split makes a lot of sense, I'll do that. Quesiton ii) In this section's intro, I used a slightly different approach than in other intros and described each work (i.e. not only the designated manuscript, but the literary work) of the respective (sub-)list. Do you think this is useful/useless/too long/or something else? I am considering doing something similar for the waka and others. bamse (talk) 22:42, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

I think these introductions to the works are absolutely great - I guess for the writings, and in particular the literary texts, so much of their significance is in what the manuscripts represent; while there may be some overlap with eg Japanese literature or Genji Monogatari, and potentially this may be challenged by the ?FL reviewers?, for me such useful key-point intros are exactly what's wanted to understand the 'list'. I guess you may have an issue with length once all the introductions are added - how strictly are the guidelines enforced? Seems a shame to waste time reformatting statistics, maps and references etc when you can make more substantive contributions, and also the entries on the list seem to belong together. I would say though, on the format side, that the order of discussion in the intro should be replicated in the list that follows; also why is it, in the section you mention, that monogatari, setsuwa and Japanese-Chinese poetry are grouped together? Really look forward to the waka introduction and hearing all about anthologies, poetry contests etc. Will you be referring to the Association and Progression article? Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 17:03, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I don't think that overlap is a big issue (at least it hasn't been mentioned so far in reviews). I am trying to keep these intros somewhat focused on the items in the list, so they are not always representative of the whole field (e.g. because art objects in possession of the imperial household are missing from NT lists, etc). But of course these intros can be used in other wikipedia articles and I am happy if somebody does (for some architecture lists it has been done). I think you are right about the length, and I am at the moment tending towards a split of the list. The other long lists ("paintings" and "List of National Treasures of Japan (sculptures)") were hard to split, but since there is a natural split here, I think it would help the reader to digest these long lists better. What do you mean by: "...the order of discussion in the intro should be replicated in the list that follows"? Monogatari, setsuwa and Japanese-Chinese poetry are grouped together, because the Agency for Cultural Affairs decided to do so (see here). The reason is probably that together they make a nice set of 10 NT while splitting them in separate lists/categories, would make those lists very short. Waka seems to be indeed an interesting topic, but still needs to do a bit of reading. Unfortunately I don't have access to "Association and Progression", do you? And then it is on to the Chinese books..., no idea how to tackle those yet. Do you have suggestions for readings? bamse (talk) 20:21, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I'm sure there's stuff here than can be plundered for a number of other articles. But if you do end up splitting, what will you do with the Japanese-Chinese poetry? Re the discussion on the Japanese Wikipedia page you linked to, per this the 国宝・重要文化財大全 referred to is a publication by Mainichi Shimbunsha rather than the Agency for Cultural Affairs per se, but I imagine they know what they are talking about. (Had previously thought the alternative place for some of these, rather than an additional split, would be in 'other'.) By "...the order of discussion in the intro should be replicated in the list that follows", I mean that in the monogatari etc section the order in your narrative introduction appears to be chronological - Nihon Ryoiki, Tosa Diary etc - but the list then begins instead with Wakan roeishu. I don't have JSTOR access (though know someone who does) but have a hard copy of that article - it starts by looking at a couple of groups of poems in Shinkokinshu, on early spring and a love sequence, and makes the point of poems being grouped by topic, time, imagery, and engo (perhaps not the clearest illustration) or words associated by meaning/sound/convention; apparently there might even be some ji no uta or 'mediocre' poems interspersed so that the overall effect is not too monotonously great... (like recitative?) Not sure I can help on the Chinese refs front - it's interesting, because while there was apparently lots of Japanese literature in Chinese (though not many NTs) these manuscripts relate more to another aspect of the reception of Chinese literature in Japan. Haven't seen it but Chapter 7.x of this, The Reception of Chinese Literature in Japan, by Emanuel Pastreich, sounds like it could be of relevance; there's also a chapter in the second volume of Konishi's History of Japanese Literature that's largely on the reception of Po Chu'i but he doesn't seem to feature on the list. Bonne chance! Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 15:04, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Japanese-Chinese poetry will go to List of National Treasures of Japan (writings: Japanese books) per Mainichi Shimbunsha. After all the Wakan Roeishu is mainly Japanese literature (353 kanshi plus 216 waka versus 234 Chinese poems). Yes, the order in the intro is chronological. Not sure what order the table is in actually. Will order it chronologically when done with the split of the articles. Thanks for feedback on refs. Since you are interested and knowledgable in waka, do you feel like writing the waka intro (feel free to say no). Working more on the split now... bamse (talk) 15:27, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Done with the split. If you encounter any inconsistencies, please let me know. bamse (talk) 16:34, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

BTW, 国宝・重要文化財大全 is indeed published by Mainichi Shimbun, but content is provided by the Agency for Cultural Affairs (see [14]). bamse (talk) 20:43, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the BTW and the split looks good (and seems to make more and more sense). Don't want to tread on your toes on the waka front, though would be happy to have an initial stab if you are. I guess the order per introduction is by publication of text so that in the list should follow, rather than the alternative of the date of the manuscript. Also, maybe try googling eg manuscrits chinois au japon, or the equivalent in Spanish/Dutch/German/Norwegian/Swedish etc, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 15:07, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

As for the order, I agree that ordering by original creation date makes sense. I think that's what I did with the "Monogatari, Japanese-Chinese poetry, setsuwa". Haven't had a look at the other sub-lists yet. Will have a try googling for other languages, though generally I just google for the Japanese romanized name which should be the same in panish/Dutch/German/Norwegian/Swedish... bamse (talk) 16:05, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

If you say so - my linguistic (in)competence doesn't stretch quite that far, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 16:36, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK

Please can I have your opinion on whether one might be possible for ...that The Dog Pillow is a parody of a Japanese literary masterpiece. Feel more than free to say er, no. Thanks, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 19:17, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Why not? As far as I understand, you only need to satisfy these five criteria which it does assuming you nominate it soon and do a review of another DYK (if applicable). You might need to add a reference directly after the hook fact (first sentence in article) and not only at the end of the lead. If you are after maximizing the number of visitors to the article, probably a hook including some of the examples ("'putting on armour in winter without underclothes"...) could work better. I very much enjoyed reading those excerpts. bamse (talk) 19:45, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

What's the reason for the popularity of "dogs" in parodies names? bamse (talk) 19:47, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure, ?something to do with mongrels? What is the cultural value of the dog in Japan? (apart from Shiba inu which are really cute) What's Japanese for doggerel? Have you come across any Japanese editors who might know about this kind of thing? Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 23:07, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Congratulations to the dog pillow DYK! Good choice of hook. Generally you can boost interest in a hook by providing a picture, but well, in this case it will be hard to find one that matches the hook... Not sure whether they know, but User:Urashimataro might have an idea about cultural value of dogs in Japan and User:Bendono wrote several articles about Japanese literature, so could know something about "dog parodies". bamse (talk) 23:32, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Must have been your suggestion for the hook; I'll ask them, thanks, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 01:51, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Todai-ji

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Re the image of the repository you were requesting, is that different from the one here? Wasn't quite sure on the id of this one and wanted to check, thanks, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 16:59, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

I thought so too, until... Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#Is_there_anybody_in_Nara... bamse (talk) 18:46, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Per the link, the photo is of: 勧進所経庫 (ICP), Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 19:18, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

But is that right? Doesn't the database here say its 3x3 bay, yet doesn't look 3x2? Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 19:42, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Eureka! If you look at what Todaiji themselves have to say, it looks like it's 勧進所 that's behind the walls... Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 19:47, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Hm, not sure I can follow. Do you still need my input on this? Can't see much detail of whats behind the walls to be honest. bamse (talk) 20:06, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Not sure whether it is useful or still needed, according to this map, 勧進所経庫 is located here: 34°41′19.5″N 135°50′13.62″E, while the NT repository is here: 34°41′9.33″N 135°50′26.04″E. Something like this map (less detailed) would be good for the Todai-ji article. In addition an old (Nara period or so) map of the compound for comparison would be nice as well. bamse (talk) 20:18, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

And as suggested by Oda Mari (and I am convinced myself now), File:NaraTodaijiAzekura0246.jpg indeed looks like 手向山八幡宮宝庫 and is located here: 34°41′15.71″N 135°50′38.47″E. bamse (talk) 20:31, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Japanese architecture

Hi Bamse. I've recently done some work expanding the article on Japanese architecture and have submitted it for peer review. As you have extensive knowledge of the National Treasures of Japan through your project work (as well as other Japanese architecture articles) I'd really appreciate if you could spare some time to read it through and leave some comments. Thanks. Kenchikuben (talk) 20:49, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Will do that. bamse (talk) 21:07, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks very much for your comments. I'll think them through and respond to you again on the peer review page.Kenchikuben (talk) 07:22, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

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List of National Treasures of Japan (writings: Chinese books)

Hi Bamse, not a problem, but I won't get to it for a few days if that's okay. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 01:14, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Sure, take whatever time you need and as usual let me know if you have any questions on the content. bamse (talk) 07:05, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

I'll start on it tomorrow. I got pulled into another project, also art related, and I wanted to get down my notes while they were fresh in my mind. Spending a few days on copyediting will be helpful to let ideas percolate through. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 01:51, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Good to hear and interesting project. BTW, I put one of the NT lists here (the one you wrote the blurb for), so it might appear on the main page sooner or later. bamse (talk) 07:37, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

I've done an initial read through and made a few minor changes. You've presented a lot of information and I need a second read through to get it straight in my mind. One thing that I noticed is that Heian seems to be linked multiple times, and some things that could be linked, aren't. Also, I think the lead will need some work to incorporate a summary of all that you summarize in the subsections, if that makes sense. I'll be back at it tomorrow. Sorry, slow progress. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 01:32, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Not slow at all! Thanks for the edits already. I'll have a look at over/underlinking and will see what I can do abou the lead. bamse (talk) 10:12, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Also, just so you know, since it came up in the last review, I'll probably be splitting some of the long sentences, if I feel it's necessary. I'll mark those edits because that's where it's the most dangerous in terms of changing the meaning. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 13:51, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Done for now. Now that I have it straight in my head, I'll give some thought to the lead. The subsections are already quite lengthy, and no need to recreate, but I think something needs to be mentioned in the lead about the subsections - that the list consists of books created in China, books created in Japan (and re-imported to China), and the importance of the Song editions. Otherwise, looks good. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 15:28, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

I tweaked the lead last again last night and think I'm done. I haven't actually checked the text in the boxes, only in the subsections. I'll follow it, once you nominate. I don't know how much I'll be around in the next few weeks, but I do check in. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 11:48, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Civil war of Wa

Hello! Your submission of Civil war of Wa at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! - Yk³ talk ~ contrib 06:08, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

I found 2/3 of the books you asked for here. You may need to use Google Chrome to read them, though.

Today's Featured List Submissions

Hi Bamse,

I have written the blurbs for all the today's featured lists submissions I have made, but I can't take all the credit; the majority of each blurb is taken word-for-word from the lists' ledes. Great job in writing all those lists of National Treasures of Japan! I'd wait a while before submitting another blurb for one of those, but if you have a suggestion of a list that represents an underrepresented category on TFLS, I would be glad to consider writing a blurb for it.

Neelix (talk) 21:31, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi Bamse,

I will consider writing one eventually, although I think that other areas are more underrepresented at the moment. Let me know if you succeed in getting List of World Heritage in Danger, List of protected areas of Tanzania, or Twelve Heavenly Generals up to featured list status; it would be great to get one of those up on the main page.

Neelix (talk) 21:58, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Weinraub

Hi - you're listed in the German-English translators list - can you tell me what "Weinraub" means in English? Thanks--Sreifa (talk) 09:32, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Do you have some context for it? I don't know such word, but it might be a made-up word out of Wein=wine and Raub=robbery. Also seems to be a family name. bamse (talk) 20:12, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Alternatively it might be a misspelling of Weintraube=grape. bamse (talk) 20:13, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Civil war of Wa

The DYK project (nominate) 18:04, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Colonial buildings and structures in Jakarta

Thanks for your input. I responsed to your message here.--Rochelimit (talk) 05:37, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Bamse, thank you. I responded to ur message in DYK and a thank you very much message in my talk page :)--Rochelimit (talk) 05:59, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Toyohara Chikanobu

Thank you for your suggestions. Although a great deal of time and care has been invested in this article, it remains unclear in many ways. Regrettably, I could not offer the kind of constructive critical comments you were able to provide. I hope your words are construed as helpful and well-meaning. We'll see. In any case, your overview does help me to re-think how I might have parsed a unique set of problems and opportunities. This article has unfolded as a puzzle which interests me. I appreciate participating tangentially in the development of this limited-focus subject. --Tenmei (talk) 04:17, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you again for your peer review comments here. A quick scan of this article's edit history here reveals that I am not the principle contributor. User:GaryD144's investments of time and care are noteworthy, but his contributions remain those of an intermittent, single-purpose account. I don't want to discourage his continued edits and participation, but at the same time, I simply haven't figured out how to engage more interactive give-and-take.

Hopefully, your words and your perspective were precisely what was needed at this time. I'm sorry that it took some time for me to find the words to explain this more clearly; but there we have it. --Tenmei (talk) 18:11, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Omura Shrine

Materialscientist (talk) 16:11, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Template:Japan Old Province

Thank you for helping me to parse and evaluate a trivial problem. --Tenmei (talk) 14:50, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

List of National Treasures of Japan

I see that List of National Treasures of Japan (writings: Chinese books) is now confirmed as a featured article. Congratulations -- not only for the end result, but also for the way in which your work brings attention to the process which produces it. --Tenmei (talk) 18:33, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, also for your recent edits. Quite happy that the last one is up for review now. bamse (talk) 21:33, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Anraku-ji (Ueda)

Materialscientist (talk) 00:02, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Sangi (Japan)

There were as many as eight Sangi at any one time. <:ref>Dickson, Walter G. et al. (1898). "The Eight Boards of Government" in Japan, p. 60., p. 60, at Google Books; excerpt, "The Sangi ... is a very important office — eight officers. They are of high rank ... and are chosen for their talent for the office. This seems to be to report upon the proceedings and conclusions of the other officers of the board; to watch and also advise, and sometimes to act as judges. They are both civil and military. If a man has shown himself qualified for this office he may rise to it, though not originally of high rank."</ref>

This doesn't fully address your more focused questions about the three brothers; but it is a small step towards a better understanding. --Tenmei (talk) 05:37, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Interesting, thanks for digging it up. I am now a bit confused about the cause for the rebellion. Most sources I read, say that Hirotsugu sent a petition to the emperor asking for the dismissal of Kibi no Makibi and Genbo. Titsingh writes that Hirotsugu had made false reports and Kibi no Makibi and Genbo were warning the emperor (here they seem to be rather on the side of Hirotsugu as they recommend to send Hirotsugu back [to Yamato?]).Lastly, you wrote that "Kibi no Makibi and Genbō conspire to discredit Fujiwara no Hirotsugu" (based on the same sentence or on other sources as well?) Possibly, it could have been this order: (i) Hirotsugu made false reports; (ii) Genbo and Makibi warning the emperor (iii) Hirotsugu requesting dismissal of the two because of that. However I haven't found a source which mentions all of this together. bamse (talk) 07:59, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

The short answer is no, but there is no easy way to respond to what you have written, e.g.,

• Yes -- WP:V = tentative conclusion that Genbo and Makibi "seem to be rather on the side of Hirotsugu"; but is this not implausible?
• No -- it is a logical fallacy to hypothesize that Hirotsugu requested "dismissal of the two because of that" (because of a "warning" to the emperor) -- see Post hoc ergo propter hoc

We struggle together to figure out how to untangle this. --Tenmei (talk) 20:27, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

I agree, "because of that" can probably not be proved. I also think that Makibi/Genbo and Hirotsugu were rather enemies than friends. So to summarize sources correctly: (i) Hirotsugu made false reports; [Titsingh] (ii) Genbo and Makibi warned the emperor and recommend to send Hirotsugu back (Titsingh) (iii) Hirotsugu requesting the dismissal of Makibi/Genbo because they are the cause of corruption and general discontent (according to Hirotsugu).

i, ii, iii can be in any order and we cannot prove any "because" between them. i and ii are only supported by Titsingh as far as I can see. iii is supported by several sources. Will keep on searching. Hopefully, I'll get some more sources soon. bamse (talk) 20:51, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Tübingen

Are you familiar with this website? -- den persönlichen Seiten von Dr. Eva-Maria Meyer, Akademische Oberrätin am Seminar für Japanologie der Universität Tübingen?

Is it possible that this escaped your notice? --Tenmei (talk) 17:03, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

I was only familiar with the nengocalc part of that website. Not sure what you are suggesting!? It looks like a very good collection of sources to Japanese history, but unfortunately I don't really have access to a library, so it is of limited use to me. bamse (talk) 20:25, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

This is just something to store away in the back of your mind. --Tenmei (talk) 23:49, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. bamse (talk) 10:35, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

RFC/N discussion of the username "I Jethrobot"

A request for comment has been filed concerning the username of I Jethrobot (talk · contribs). You are invited to comment on the discussion here. I, Jethrobot ^{drop me a line} (note: not a bot!) 17:11, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Bamse. You have new messages at Apoc2400's talk page.
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Shoku Nihongi

Hi,

Sorry, I haven't gotten around to that request but its definitely on my to do list. I should be able to get a scan of that Heavenly Warriors book tomorrow hopefully. The Japanese language text will take a bit longer. I think my best bet is to make an appointment with the staff at the Yenching library to see if someone can help me identify the right pages to scan, otherwise I'm worried that I'll get there and won't be able to make enough sense of the book to scan what you want! Best, GabrielF (talk) 19:17, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Station bell

Thanks from the DYK project Victuallers (talk) 14:27, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Text from PDF

Per my WP:RDC comment, I doubt this'll be of much effective use to you, but here's what I get: http://pastebin.com/f6E2Vc0c -- Finlay McWalter ☻ Talk 23:32, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Hirotsugu's wife

Hirotsugu's rebellion was caused by an combination of personal and political factors.

According to Richard Ponsonby-Fane in The Imperial Family of Japan, p. 57, "Gembō, having made improper overtures to the beautiful wife of Fujiwara no Hirotsugu ... [Hirotsugu] petitioned for the removal of the priest ...."

This may have been among the so-called "false reports" mentioned in Nihon Odai Ichiran? --Tenmei (talk) 14:29, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the link. What are the "false reports"? As for the story of the wife, I am wondering:

• What is the original source for this? Shoku Nihongi, or just a legend transmitted orally,...
• Wouldn't the wife have been together with Hirotsugu at Dazaifu?
• Why did Hirotsugu oppose Makibi (i.e. "petition for the removal of Makibi")?
• Would Gembō's action have been sufficient reason for a rebellion (which was not only aimed at Gembō but also at the emperor)?

So, I think that if the story is true, it was at most an additional factor leading to the rebellion. Either way, I'll mention it in the article. bamse (talk) 15:25, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

I will respond to these questions serially --Tenmei (talk) 03:11, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

A. See the phrase "false reports" at Titsingh, Isaac. (1834). Annales des empereurs du japon, p. 70., p. 70, at Google Books; excerpt, «Le 8e mois de la 12e année (740), Fujiwara no Hirotsugu ayant fait de faux rapports sur plusieurs affaires importantes, Kibi no Makibi et Genbō représentèrent au Daïri qu'il devait s'attendre à une révolte ...» (In the 8th month of the 12th year (740), after Fujiwara no Hirotsugu was said to have made false reports on several important matters, Makibi and Genbō warned the emperor that he should expect a rebellion ....)

I see. So you mean, possibly, Genbō did not do anything to Hirotsugu's wife, but Hirotsugu claimed (made a false report) that Genbō had made "improper overtures"!? bamse (talk) 10:01, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Hm, according to this book page 124, the story is featured in Shoku Nihongi, but ... some historians mistakenly believed that Gembo had seduced Empress Komy5, the wife of Shomu, while others thought that this was the wife of Fujiwara Hirotsugu, Gembo's later enemy.62 In this particular situation Gembo appears to ... bamse (talk) 14:16, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Japanese architecture

Hi, Bamse. I have started working on a revision of Japanese architecture, as requested by Kenchikuben. It is (where else?) in good old Hayashi Eitetsu. Who knows if I will ever write that article about Hayashi Eitetsu himself. Would you mind taking a cursory look only to the index and tell me what you think? In particular, I want to include a section about post-Buddhism Shinto architecture (there is one about pre-Buddhism styles), but can't figure out where to put it. Also, the article is already substantial and my additions will make it huge. I would like to more or less arbitrarily divide it in two. As usual, there is no rush. As usual, you may participate if you want, but I know you were against the chronological idea. Please leave your comments in the talk page - Frank (Urashima Tarō) (talk) 06:27, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

List of National Treasures of Japan (writings: Japanese books)

Sorry for the delay, but I've finally started. I'm having a lot of trouble loading the page, watching the circle on my computer go round & round, so I've moved it to the sandbox to work there. We can use the talk page there for comments/discussion. I know you'll be gone next week, but if I do the edits in the sandbox, anything I do wrong is easily fixed. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 22:26, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm long overdue for a break, but I promise I'll get your article finished first. Don't be alarmed at my blank page. Just wanted you to know that I'll help you through this last page in this endeavor. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 03:13, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi, I forgot to tell you that I'd moved your comments to the sandbox talkpage - easier to navigate and to check. Anyway, I think I'm done. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 12:12, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

I forgot to tell you that I fixed the sentence and commented on the FLC page. I don't see any way around having Chinese three times in the sentence, but it's not perfect. We'll see what TRM says. Also thought you should know that the content building is finished in Murasaki Shikibu - only tidying and copy-editing to do now. Thanks so much for the sources - very helpful. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 01:49, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Looks very nice. I started to read through Murasakai Shikibu and will leave some comments here. bamse (talk) 13:06, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

ping

I've got the JSTOR doc, email me and I'll send it over. sonia♫ 05:46, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Main page appearance

Hello! This is a note to let the main editors of this list know that it will be appearing as the main page featured list on August 29, 2011. You can view the TFL blurb at Wikipedia:Today's featured list/August 29, 2011. If you think it is necessary to change the main date, you can request it with the featured list directors The Rambling Man (talk · contribs), Dabomb87 (talk · contribs) or Giants2008 (talk · contribs), or at Wikipedia talk:Today's featured list/requests. If the previous blurb needs tweaking, you might change it—following the instructions of the suggested formatting. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page so Wikipedia doesn't look bad. :D Thanks! Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 19:19, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

"Ancient documents" is a category of Japanese National Treasures that comprises documents from the Asuka period to the Meiji period, selected for especially high historical or artistic value. The documents consist of letters, diaries, records or catalogues, certificates, imperial decrees, testaments, and maps, housed in temples, museums, libraries, shrines, and private collections. They record early Japanese governance and Buddhism, including contact with China, the organization of the state, and life at the Japanese imperial court. The documents are significant examples of calligraphy. Lettering, in the form of inscribed artefacts, was brought to Japan from China c. 2000 years ago. From 5th-century Korea came classical Chinese books, probably written on paper. Soon after, scribes were appointed to the provinces to record events and report conditions. By the end of the 7th century, reading and writing became part of Japanese life, mostly because of the need for literate officials and the rise of Buddhism, which required the study of written sūtras.

DYK nom for Kanpyō Gyoki

Hi Bamse, I have reviewed your nomination for Kanpyō Gyoki at Did you know nominations/Kanpyō Gyoki and I have an ALT I'd like to suggest. Can you see my comments at the nomination page and reply there? Thank you. Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:30, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Replied there. bamse (talk) 07:40, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK nom for Tosa Yamauchi Family Treasury and Archives

See here. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 19:04, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. bamse (talk) 19:11, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Switching TFL dates

Hi Bamse. Just a courtesy question to ask if you'd be okay if I pushed your TFL out to 5 September so we can coincide the Dr Who list with the first of its new series on UK television? I promise I won't move it again! Let me know if that's okay. Many thanks for your consideration. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:16, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

No problem. Any date is fine with me. bamse (talk) 21:45, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Very kind of you, thanks. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:46, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Kanpyō Gyoki

Gatoclass (talk) 16:02, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Congratulations on a job well-done

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		To Bamse for the tireless and dedicated work to the 13 Featured Lists in the soon-to-be National Treasures of Japan Featured topic. This is well-deserved after two years of work! Truthkeeper (Talk) 01:45, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. It would not have been possible without your edits. bamse (talk) 09:41, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Tosa Yamauchi Family Treasury and Archives

Materialscientist (talk) 08:02, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

List of Oregon state symbols

Thanks so much for reviewing this list for TFL! I believe your concerns have been addressed, though I did not link all works and publishers as you requested to avoid overlinking. If this still needs to be addressed please let me know. Thanks again! --Another Believer _(Talk) 15:05, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick replies. I support it now. bamse (talk) 16:39, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Ah! Sorry I forgot to go back and remove the filberts link (I had made changes to the list and indicated so on the TFL nomination page, but there was an edit conflict on the page. I think the current state of the list now reflects the changes I had made before the edit conflict. --Another Believer _(Talk) 16:49, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

You've inspired me

Hi Bamse, I don't know when I'll get to it, but you've inpired me to work on Lady Marusaki. I've always found her to be interesting, and I love the images. So, I haven't moved away completely from Japanese art. This is will be a long term project, but should be an interesting one. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 19:00, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Fantastic! Let me know if I can be of any help. I am not sure I have much in the way of sources though. bamse (talk) 19:11, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

There is a (partial) genealogy of her (i.e. ancestors up to Fusasaki (681-737)) in the Cambridge History of Japan, but not sure whether that's of any use. bamse (talk) 19:23, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

I checked out a book from the library today but haven't had the time to look at it - I have an article going on the main page tonight! I'll probably lift some of what you have about waka (and use those sources) to put in a style section, and the genealogy will be helpful. Finding sources will be a challenge and I have to give it some thought, but it's an interesting topic. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 19:25, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Will check out the mainpage tonight! Considering that not even her name is known, I doubt (but don't really know) that there will be a lot to write about her bio beyond her works, style, etc. (Do you have access to the CHoJ?) bamse (talk) 19:36, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

I had a look at my library and the only books that tell more about Murasaki Shikibu than "Genji is fantastic" are the Cambridge History of Japan (Heian period) and Aston's "A History of Japanese literature" (which is very old and should probably not be relied on too much). Do you have access to these books or do you want me to extract the relevant info from them (which I'd happily do)? bamse (talk) 14:52, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the offer. I have this one [15] which has a few pages of biography, and this looks promising - [16] - has a few pages about her life in the introduction. I think this will be a case of pulling sources out of the air, and would work on it slowly. I'd appreciate any information you can add - go ahead and dump it in my sandbox. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 19:30, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Dumped the Aston source which is probably fine for historical facts, but his judgements should likely be taken with a grain of salt (as it was written a hundred years ago). (PS: Send you an email.) bamse (talk) 00:10, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Okay thanks. I've found a few others too, but need to take this very slowly. Will check email now. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 00:14, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Hi, just wanted you to know that I looked in my library for the book you requested and it's not there, unfortunately. While there I found a Cambridge Encyclopedia of Japan instead of the Cambridge History of Japan, but one of the editors is Bowring, and it has a piece about court life during the Heian period, Michinaga, Murasaki Shikibu, so it's a good overview. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 21:37, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the trouble to search for it. Will keep looking for it or some other sources that could replace it. bamse (talk) 21:54, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Hi Bamse, I have a quick question. I can't seem to find anything in the sources I'm using about the possibility that MS retired to Ishiyama-dera. It is in the Aston source though - do you happen to have page numbers? Thanks. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 02:22, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

I copied the full paragraph from Aston including page number to your sandbox. I think the Ishiyama-dera story is probably more legend than fact. Possibly it was used to advertise the temple (just a guess, no source). A google book search turns up a few more sources if needed. bamse (talk) 08:46, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the text, and for the google search which gives much better results than mine did. I think it's a legend too and I'll explain that, but I think it has to be added because she's depicted there so often in art, and because of the Genji room there. Also I want to get rid of the whitespace in that section. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 11:19, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Just so you know, after a little more tidying, I'm hoping to nominate to FAC tonight. Also tried to expand the diary article for a DYK, but I think it's impossible to do such a large expansion. Also, can't read this but wondered if this is Michinaga? If so, I'd add it to the diary page, and wondered if you would mind uploading for me since I can't read to add the relevant information to the file. Thanks for all your help - could not have done this without you! Truthkeeper (talk) 16:10, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

I noticed the expansion of the diary. Will read through and have another look at the lady when I get some more time. The image you linked to is of Ōtomo no Yakamochi. Will upload it later. bamse (talk) 17:14, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Done. bamse (talk) 17:24, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Got distracted here! Truthkeeper (talk) 02:55, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Watchlisted. Will follow the discussions and try to help if I can. bamse (talk) 07:53, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Main page TFL

Hello bamse, glad to see your Ancient Documents making the main page tomorrow, hope you are too! Can we just tinker with the blurb so that it describes what is illustrated by the image? If you look at the previous TFLs, they all had something like (pictured) or (TARDIS pictured) or something appropriate. Enjoy TFL tomorrow. Best wishes, The Rambling Man (talk) 12:22, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

I am also glad. As for the image, I think that mentioning a certain pictured document in prose would be a bit strange since the blurb should be kept general in my opinion. So I'd go with something of the form "(X pictured)". Now the present "X" (Priest Mongaku's forty-five article rules and regulations) is a bit difficult to explain in short words. How about changing the image for something that can be explained in short words and still looks interesting such as one of the testaments/wills? (Not sure that I'll be much online until midnight, so feel free to change what you think looks best.) bamse (talk) 14:28, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Yes, perhaps change it to an equally interesting image which would flow better in the lead. Sadly I'm no expert so I'll have to defer to you on this one! The Rambling Man (talk) 14:42, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Congratulations on this Bamse - it looks great on the main page! Truthkeeper (talk) 01:15, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Sorry that I did not manage to change the image/blurb. Thanks Truthkeeper for the last minute fixes to capitalization. bamse (talk) 05:45, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

List of World Heritage in Danger

Hi Bamse,

Congratulations on getting List of World Heritage in Danger up to featured status! I would like to see it up on the main page someday. If the number in the TFLS queue dies down, I'll be sure to write a blurb for it.

Neelix (talk) 01:07, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. bamse (talk) 06:42, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Re: Goal list Americas

It's not a problem, I'll get it done by tonight. _EricLeb⁰¹ (Page | Talk) 16:57, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. bamse (talk) 20:25, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

TFL Smithsonian museums

Thank you for reviewing List_of_Smithsonian_museums at TFL. I responded to your comments at the submission page, and left a few questions. Whaen you have time please respond back. Thank you again!--Found5dollar (talk) 15:26, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

I believe I have fixed all your outstanding issues. I would appreciate it if you would take another look.--Found5dollar (talk) 21:38, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Murasaki Shikibu

Hi Bamse, I've linked in the lead that Genji was written in kana / Japanese - that's correct, isn't it? I've had a question about it on the FAC and not sure I've explained it correctly. Or if it's wrong, I should change it. Truthkeeper (talk) 00:16, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Actually, I've removed and linked to Japanese language for simplicity, but if I'm wrong would you mind commenting here? Truthkeeper (talk) 01:03, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Responded there. Sorry that I don't know much about language stuff, but will try to search in sources. bamse (talk) 06:37, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I'm looking too. Thanks for commenting. Truthkeeper (talk) 17:31, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Quick question - I've moved on to Empress Shōshi - I assume this is an image of Shoshi with one of her infants, but wanted to confirm with you first because there's not a lot of description with it. If it is, I'd upload to use as the lead image because it's more clear and an image we haven't yet used. Also, do you know whether this is a different emaki for the diary? Truthkeeper (talk) 22:14, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Glad that you are still fascinated by Japanese topics. According to this, the image shows (like the present lead image) the infant Atsuhira-shinnō, the later Emperor Go-Ichijō. The man at the bottom is Fujiwara no Michinaga, the woman at the bottom right might be Murasaki Shikibu. It is not mentioned explicitly (neither in Japanese sources I checked), but the woman holding the child is probably his mother, Empress Shōshi. It is from the same emaki as that at Gotoh Museum. According to this, the detached segment at Tokyo National Museum has been cut off by Masuda Donō (益田鈍翁, 1847-1938) in 1933 and remodelled as hanging scroll. bamse (talk) 23:57, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

I'm turning redlinks blue, but it is an interesting period. Thanks for the interesting information about the image. Can't upload right now (using an older computer) but will upload tomorrow. Truthkeeper (talk) 01:02, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Another question about images. According to a FAC comment the article should include more images from the Genji emakimoto - which I think is good feedback. I've added some information to the text, sourced to Frederic, who says it's housed at the Gotoh museum, but this file File:Genji emaki azumaya.jpg says it's at the Tokugowa museum. Is there more than one of these early emakimotos? I'm confused. Truthkeeper (talk) 22:22, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

The Genji Monogatari Emaki (12th c.) used to be a handscroll. At some point it was cut into sections. Most of the original scroll is lost and the remaining sections are located at the Tokugawa Museum (most of them) and the Gotoh Museum (also see this). The image you linked is at the Tokugawa Museum. PS: I love the Genji scroll, but to me it is not essential to have lots of images of it in this article. Having some variety and more modern images can show how influential she and her work was. bamse (talk) 23:02, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Okay that makes sense. Also thanks for the feedback regarding the variety of images. Still working to get a good balance. In all the moving around the images from the scroll were moved out of the text, but maybe now too many of them. I'll have to think about it. Truthkeeper (talk) 18:29, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

	The Genji Award
	Bringing Murasaki Shikibu to FAC would have been impossible without your considerable help and encouragement. Thanks for help with sources and providing answers to a long stream of questions. Truthkeeper (talk) 17:23, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

List of National Treasures of Japan (crafts: others)

Please correct some description on the Gilt sutra container in Enryakuji, Shiga. I've found it, producing the image.

Overlooked : Offered to Zaō Gongen (蔵王権現?) by Fujiwara no Michinaga and buried in 1007 on Mount Kinpu;

Corrected : Offered by Empress Shoshi in ACE1031 --ReijiYamashina (talk) 00:19, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the correction. I fixed the image description accordingly. bamse (talk) 22:27, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

List of valkyrie names in Norse mythology at TFL

Hey bamse, thank you so much for your interest in WP:TFL and your reviews. I believe I've covered your issues with the above list. If you could revisit and let me know, that'd be brilliant. All the best, The Rambling Man (talk) 18:22, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

National Treasure featured topic

Hi Bamse, first, huge congratulations on bringing this series to featured topic. I've only now realized you added me as a contributor, which is very nice of you but not at all necessary. All I did was some copyediting, which was fairly easy and interesting. You did all the heavy lifting - the research, the writing, the formatting - everything it took t bring these to featured list status and then to featured topic status. I'm a little embarrassed for not having noticed earlier - have been much too busy lately, but thanks for the thought. Hope you're well. Truthkeeper (talk) 21:34, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi! Without your careful (and fairly extensive) copy-editing it would never have made it to FT. Thanks once more. BTW, I am now working (with some other people) on getting the World Heritage lists up to FT. When I get an essential source through wikipedia's sources request, I'll hopefully get around writing up the article on Fujiwara no Hirotusug Rebellion. Trying to make that one a GA at least. Also uploading some high resolution images of National Treasure paintings at the moment. bamse (talk) 09:55, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

FP notification

Just a notice, congrats on uploading 5 featured pictures (all the Extermination of Evil hangings are FPs now) Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:37, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for nominating them. If you like them, Emuseum has many more high quality images that could be uploaded to wikipedia and could get a wikipedia article such as this. bamse (talk) 13:23, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

• I'll take a look, thanks for the suggestion. Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:58, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

• I am uploading images from the emuseum website now. bamse (talk) 08:56, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Translation needed

Hi,

Will you please be so kind to translate the following text from German to English? Thanks in advance.

"Skanderbeg war schon deshalb kein „Albanerführer“, weil seiner Erhebung außer albanischen auch bulgarische, serbische oder vlachische Orthodoxe folgten."

--Antidiskriminator (talk) 13:44, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Not a pretty translation, but as close to the original as I can get: Skanderberg was not a leader of Albanians (="Albanerführer") simply because apart from Albanian orthodox also Bulgarian, Serbian and Vlachian (Vlachs) orthodox followed his revolt/uprising. "Erhebung" could have other meanings apart from "revolt/uprising". If the sentence, does not make sense, please let me know or provide some context. bamse (talk) 12:42, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Thank you very much.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 15:29, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Sorry to disturb you again, but I need two more sentences to be translated:

"Der albanische Adlige, der als Geisel am Hof des osmanischen Sultans zum Islam übergetreten war und dann rasch Karriere gemacht hatte, wechselte 1443 die Seiten, kehrte zum Christentum zurück und kämpfte ein Vierteljahrhundert gegen die Osmanen. Von der albanischen Nationalbewegung war er seit dem Ende des 19 Jahrhunderts zum nationalen Mythos erhoben worden."

"Kadare ist die Galionsfigur des im öffentlichen Diskurs Albaniens dominierenden nationalistisch-proeuropäischen Lagers, dem der Skanderbeg-Mythos als Beleg für die europäische Identität Albaniens dient."

The context can be seen here.

Thanks in advance.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 08:07, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

"The Albanian nobleman who - as a hostage at the court of the ottoman sultan - had converted to Islam, and subsequently made a steep career; changed sides in 1443, became a Christian again and fought against the Ottomans for a quarter of a century." to be continued... bamse (talk) 08:45, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

continuation..."The Albanian National Movement (?) had made him a national legend/myth since the end of the 19th century." bamse (talk) 15:35, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

"Kadare is the figurehead of the natioanlistic, pro-European camp which dominates the public discourse in Albania. The Skanderberg-myth serves this political camp as evidence for the European identity of Albania." bamse (talk) 15:45, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Thank you very much.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 15:59, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

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Hi Bamse,

Sorry for taking so long to write a blurb for List of World Heritage in Danger. I intend for that to be the very next blurb I write, but I am afraid that if I add any more blurbs to the suggestion list before the other ones garner some comments, a whole slew of them will be removed for lack of interest like happened last time. Hopefully more editors will express an interest in reviewing the existing suggestions soon.

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Wow, thanks for the barnstar. I'll probably have another look at the lists you improved some time soon. Don't worry about the Danger list. bamse (talk) 23:36, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Murasaki again

Hi Bamse - thanks for the sources in the my sandbox regarding the plant. I'll add that information to the biography as soon, I have a few other pieces to add as well, so will do it all at once. I've been looking for a source about the emakimono for the The Diary of Lady Murasaki - I have a source which describes the style of the art but I was wondering if one exists that mentions the emaki is an NT and that fragments of it exist in two different museums (if that's correct)? Everything I can find is in Japanese & not very helpful to me. Truthkeeper (talk) 20:26, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Difficult request. In Japanese it would be easier. Page 9 of [17] says that the diary at the Gotoh Museum is a NT. [18] and [19] say that the Fujita Museum of art has a NT Shikibu Nikki emaki.

• [20] (in Japanese) mentions that today there are four parts of the emakimono: at Gotoh Museum, at Fujita Museum, at Tokyo National Museum and with a private collector. In 1920 Morikawa Kanichirō (森川勘一郎) discovered a five-chapter/section scroll (uncut) of the Nikki. The items at the Gotoh museum correspond to chapters/sections 1, 2 and 4 of that scroll. The five-chapter/section scroll was bought in 1932 by Masuda Donō (益田鈍翁) and in the same year the fifth chapter was cut off and bequeathed to the Morikawa family (today in private collection). In 1933 Donō cut off the 3rd chapter, mounted it as a hanging scroll (today at Tokyo National Museum). The remaining three chapters (1, 2, 4) were framed in 1934, and came into possession of the Gotoh Museum via the Takanashi family (高梨家) during the postwar period. This page also mentions that the Gotoh parts are NT, but does not give any further details on the Fujita Museum parts.

Will keep on searching. bamse (talk) 23:26, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

• That's probably enough. I can't stray too far from the subject of the diary, so will have to summarize. I had wondered why it was in different museums and why the entire scroll isn't designated an NT. It's been separated; that makes sense. Truthkeeper (talk) 23:43, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

• Given that all four parts are from the same original scroll (i.e. same age and possibly similar state of preservation) one could wonder why only two (at Fujita Museum and Gotoh Museum) are NTs. Just guessing, but maybe the Agency for Cultural Affairs did not like that the TNM segment has been mounted as hanging scroll and perhaps the private collector does not want it to be a NT because of responsibilities that it entails. bamse (talk) 00:02, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

I've only summarized a bit and hope it's done correctly. To be honest, I think there's enough for a separate article - it's an important piece. Truthkeeper (talk) 01:01, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Basically fine, just two comments: i) For completeness the more than 4 metres long scroll (fragment?) at the Fujita Art Museum (also NT) should be mentioned. I am still trying to learn more about it. ii) I am not sure about the word "chapter". I guess what is meant here is "one chapter=one painting plus associated text". The Japanese word used in the source is 段, which as usual can have many meanings in Japanese, the most useful that my translator gives are probably: "breaks in a written language" or "variable measure of fabric (28.8cm in width)". Maybe "section" could work?! bamse (talk) 02:16, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

I'll re-do it today. You're correct that chapter is the wrong word, and I realized once I'd saved I'd left out the Fujita Museum piece. First I want to re-read Mason, the essay I found (which I can send to you) and the pages you sent me to understand it better. Truthkeeper (talk) 13:55, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, I'd be happy to read the essay. I found a Japanese description of the Fujita scroll in a book, but did not have the time to translate it yet. Maybe later today. bamse (talk) 13:59, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

From page 288 of Ohishi, Kazuyoshi (Designed by) (1990), Tokyo National Museum (compiler); Kogeisha, Otsuka (Printing and binding) (eds.), 日本国宝展—National Treasures of Japan (in Japanese), Yomiuri Shimbun on the Fujita Museum scroll: 現在四巻分が諸家に分蔵されるがもとは十～十二巻程の規模であったと推定される。この藤田美術館本はもと上州；館林藩主の秋元家に伝来し、第一皇子誕生の第五夜の産養の場面から... "Today's existing four scroll fragments are in possession of various families, but it is thought that originally there existed about 10 to 12 scrolls. This Fujita Museum edition was originally handed down in the Akimoto clan, rulers of the Tatebayashi Domain." Probably not of much use to you, but since I translated it, I wanted to drop it somewhere. bamse (talk) 23:17, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Well that is interesting - so each section is actually a separate scroll? Maybe that's the terminology to use. I needed to take a break from it and think about it a bit. I'm having trouble structuring the page altogether. I'll send the essay to you. Truthkeeper (talk) 23:38, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I had forgotten "fragments" (fixed now in the translation above). As far as I understand, the history of the emakimono is as follows: (i) created in the 13th century as emakimono (10 to 12 scroll). (ii) Large parts of it got lost over the centuries, not much (if anything) known about this time. (iii) Fujita Museum scroll (possibly a fragment) appears in possession of the Akimoto clan during the Edo period (not much, if anything, known about its pre-Edo time). (iv) 5-segment scroll fragment appears in 1920 (nothing known about its ancestral history according to source linked above). (v) 5-segment scroll fragment is cut into parts and ends up in three different locations (Gotoh, TNM, private). What I don't know is whether the 5-segment scroll fragment and the Fujita Museum scroll (fragment?) are from the same original scroll or from two different scrolls. bamse (talk) 00:02, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

I'll be tied up for the rest of the week but will re-do the short summary I've written next weekend. I think with this research and the sources that you have, there's enough to start a page on it, once you get the last pieces sorted out. Things like this interest me - trying to sort out where something has been for the last 800 years. Truthkeeper (talk) 00:42, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the paper. You convinced me. I started to collect sources here. If you know of any other sources on the emaki, please let me know. It'll take a while before it is ready. Will try to make it a DYK if there is enough to write about. bamse (talk) 01:21, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

That's all I've seen on the emaki. Quite a lot about genji-e, in some of the Murasaki Shikibu biography sources, but these are all I've seen devoted to the emaki. I think it will make a nice DYK - there's just enough in Mason's work and what you can get from the museums to put it together. You can add background about the diary too, which might help. Good luck - let me know. Truthkeeper (talk) 01:45, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

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Re: Murasaki Shikibu Nikki Emaki again

Hello again,

I have well received your message, and you raise very interesting questions. First of all, there are numerous emaki where the artist doesn't really follow the original text (like the Shigisan-engi) or interprets it. As you remark, the passage in page 136 deals with the youth of Lady Murasaki, when she learned chinese (women didn't studied this tongue, but she heared her brother's lessons), so maybe the artist feels free to paint this section elsewhere.

However, we have to be careful. For a more argumented answer, I need to check both: the nikki (we have a faithful translation in French) and the reconstruction of the emaki by scholars (for example in the volume 12 of Nihon Emakimono Zenshu, very hard to find, but I know a museum in France where I can get it). I will recontact you after having checked these sources (I'm afraid that I won't be in measure to do so quickly). Binabik155 (talk) 13:59, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

It's a very nice article! I think I will translate it back to French one day or another. Don't worry for the Nihon emakimono zenshu collection, I will give you some feedback as soon as possible. I just have to contact some friends of mine who works at the Guimet Museum (because its library is private). Binabik155 (talk) 19:29, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

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The emaki

Hi Bamse - I'm only now emerging from a terribly busy period and to be honest didn't have time for more than a quick glance at the emaki page. I'm looking through now - it's very nice. Just wanted to let you know that I'm also taking the liberty to give it a copyedit with the hope it will inspire me to get back to work on the diary page. Hope you don't mind! Oh, and I hope you enjoy the holidays! Truthkeeper (talk) 20:47, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Happy holidays to you as well! And thank you for the copyedit already! Not sure whether you remember this discussion. There are still some "editions" in the text, but I did not find another word to refer to something like the "Gotoh edition" which is a set of six framed fragments. Maybe you will find a better word. bamse (talk) 22:07, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

I am also not too happy about all those "scene 1, scene 2,..." sections. Maybe to have a one line summary of the content instead? BTW, I asked the Yale Library about that image with a fold from 1503. Not sure they reply to an outsider, but we will see. bamse (talk) 22:10, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Is it the Beinecke? I can call them if you'd like, after the holidays. I've been in touch with them about images for another page and they were extremely helpful. I'm thinking about the structure - it's actually what has me bogged down on the other page. Truthkeeper (talk) 22:15, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

No idea whether it is called Beinecke. The image is from here. bamse (talk) 22:17, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

If you know somebody there, my questions are basically: What is this thing (reproduction) from 1503? An emaki, a folding screen, something else? Who is the author (if known). And why does it have a fold? bamse (talk) 22:19, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

I don't know anyone there, but the last time I called I talked to a curator who was happy to give information. Unfortunately the curator couldn't answer my question but was very helpful. I'll follow up in January. Truthkeeper (talk) 22:24, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi Bamse - I don't know whether you've seen, but I left a few comments on the emaki talkpage. I hope to get back there next week. Also wanted to wish you a Happy New Year, and to thank you for giving me the opportunity to copyedit your work, to learn about Japanese art, and for inspiring me to try my own hand at the world of Heian era literature! Truthkeeper (talk) 18:04, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

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I would link to the redirect for the reason you mention. I sometimes created redirects for that reason. On the other hand, I probably did not do that consistently in the lists. Also sometimes there are sites that consist of two or more parts, where each has its article, but perhaps in the future there will be a single article covering all together. In these cases I linked the existing parts instead of to the non-existent overview article. bamse (talk) 08:13, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Okay, sounds good. Will do the same. Nightw 03:49, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

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Kitano Tenjin Engi Emaki

Hello

Yes, you are totally right, there is at least three differents emaki.

1. File:Kitano Tenjin Engi Emaki - Koan - Demon.jpg belongs to the Kōan version from Tosa Yukimitsu (1278)
2. File:Kitano Tenjin Engi Emaki - Tosa Mitsunobu - Michizane on top of a mountain.jpg belongs to a more recent copy from Tosa Mitsunobu (1503)
3. all others files belong to the oldest and most famous version: the Jōkyū (or Shōkyū) version, dating from arround 1219 (but the artists still are unknown).

And there exist many others versions or copies by the way. I'm OK for the subcategories, I can do it as soon as possible. Binabik155 (talk) 10:52, 10 January 2012 (UTC) PS: I don't forget you for the Murasaki Shikibu. I just didn't had time for now on, but that remains a priority work for me.

Done. Binabik155 (talk) 12:21, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Very good choice, the Ban dainagon is one of the most interesting emakimono. I can suggest you an interesting paper in english available online (here, if you don't have access, I can email it to you). Binabik155 (talk) 12:43, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes. This is the translation made by the Kanagawa University's Institute for the Study of Japanese Folk Culture of a previous research work. This work consisted in an impressive study of the everyday life in emakis called 絵巻物による日本常民生活絵引 (Pictopedia of Everyday Life in Medieval Japan) led by Shibusawa Keizo ([21]). The translation in english is more recent (2008 if I remember well). Cf. [22]. Binabik155 (talk) 18:29, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

WP:TFL comments

Hello bamse, and thanks for your comments over the past few months at WP:TFL. Two editors believe they have addressed your concerns, the lists in question are List of tallest structures in Tokyo and Timeline of prehistoric Scotland. If you would be kind enough to revisit and cap/support either, or add more comments, that would be very much appreciated. All the best, The Rambling Man (talk) 18:45, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Hello! Sorry, I had lost this page out of sight. I replied to both now. The Tokyo list is almost ready to go (after one dead link is fixed). The Scotland list has potentially two reliable source issues, but since I am not an expert on RS, I would leave the decision of whether the list can go to the main page to somebody more experienced in it. bamse (talk) 20:48, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks so much for spending the time getting back into it. I hope you'll be able to allocate some more time in the future to WP:TFL! Much appreciated bamse. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:52, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Japan at the 2012 Winter Youth Olympics

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Re: What is Colon in "Colon road"

Hey, regarding your question over here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Brazil#What_is_.22Colon.22_in_.22Colon_road.22.3F it's actually named "Estrada do colono" which could be translated as "Settler's Road"

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Thank you. bamse (talk) 09:56, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Ban dainagon

Hello,

• 1 and 3 belong to the third scroll; you can find copies of the scroll here or in color here (good reproduction of the original). 3 is the first scene of the scroll: the "scandal" spreads within the city after the fight (in scroll 2). And the manservant who has accidently revealed the truth is conducted to the police. In 1 are painted members of the police (kebiishi) interrogating the manservant.
• 2 is the opening scene of the second scroll ([23]). At the end of the first scroll, Fujiwara Yoshifusa obtains from the emperor the forgiveness for Minamoto no Makoto. This picture is a transitional scene where we can see a messenger rushing toward Makoto's house with the good new. This kind of transition is very important in the art of emaki for the coherence and the fluidity of the narration (as in mangas nowadays). Another example of pictorial transition: [24] and [25] (the archer is charged by the police to announce the arrest of Ban dainagon).
• Lastly, 4 shows the garden gate of Ban dainagon's house. This is another transitional picture that leads to the arrestation and exile of Ban dainagon!

I'm very sorry, I have three/four sources about the Ban dainagon ekotoba, but not available online and not in english... Maybee you can find more information in this paper (I don't have read it yet). Binabik155 (talk) 11:10, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

PS concerning this, I probably made a mistake in the source... I will try to correct it!

Concerning the scroll 2, no, I don't know online representation for now on... And concerning this image, actually, you can find Matsuo Kenji's paper in color here. Binabik155 (talk) 00:48, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Papahānaumokuākea

Hiya! Sorry to bother you with all the questions, but was wondering where you thought Papahānaumokuākea Marine National Monument should be listed? Is putting it both American and Oceanian lists okay, or is that an unncessary duplication?

I also happened to notice TRM's comments above—I could use some other TFL eyes at List of current sovereign monarchs. It was meant to be featured today, but there were presentation issues raised at ERRORS. Anyway, if you have time, could you take a look at the talk page (or ERRORS) and let me know if you had any thoughts on the issues raised? No worries if you're too busy. Regards, Nightw 03:10, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

My understanding so far was to have non-overlapping WHS regional lists, so I'd put Papahānaumokuākea into either America or Oceania. From what I understood from our previous discussion on Hawaii here, Hawaii should go into Oceania. I'd like to help with the monarchs, but am not sure where to look (what do you mean by "ERRORS"?) and where to comment. Could you link to it? bamse (talk) 13:49, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. Moved them from the American list, but your map might need changing eventually. Sorry, the issues were raised here (at the bottom). It's still relevant (despite my shockingly late reply here). Kevin and I have stopped collaborating to any constructive degree, and could use some fresh eyes. Nightw 14:59, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

I updated the America map (removed two sites on Hawaii and Easter Island). As for the monarchs, I am afraid I can't make up my mind for either view. bamse (talk) 15:39, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Yeah that's okay, I was just looking for any ideas about how to make it moot. Thanks for doing the map! Nightw 14:27, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Numbers of Cultural Properties

Hello again - I'm very sorry about leaving you in the lurch with the poetry list, started with a lightning strike... I see you are updating the lists and noticed your numbers for Monuments. Have you come across this for Monuments and more generally this for nationally-designated properties and this for prefectural and municipal designations? Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 00:01, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. You mean, I updated the Monuments list incorrectly? I only checked the database of cultural properties and that apparently was not updated yet. bamse (talk) 08:02, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Checking again your update vs this list, I think it's quite right: if you see how this list works for eg Tokyo using the database then there are three Special Historic Sites - one Special Historic Site, one Special Historic Site that is also a Special Place of Scenic Beauty, and one Special Place of Scenic Beauty that is also a Special Historic Site; this list includes Special Monuments in the total count for Monuments on the right; so I think in the end it does all tally. Maybe these references could be added (by me or you)? Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 08:45, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

PS, just to clarify, if we take eg Places of Scenic Beauty, then the total per this list is 331+28+10=369; of these 30+6=36 are Special Places of Scenic Beauty; so the total number of Places of Scenic Beauty (ex-Special) is 333, which is what the database and you say...Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 08:45, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

I see. Thanks for the clarification. I don't spend much time on wikipedia these days, so if you want to add those references, please go ahead. bamse (talk) 23:01, 15 February 2012 (UTC)