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Why do you keep reverting my edits

Why do you keep reverting all of my edits, there are like a billion Wikipedia users out there but you chose to persistently revert MY edits. Now please stop with this drama or there will be trouble. Thank you. Dino245 (talk) 01:29, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

I have no idea what you are talking about. I do not revert "all" your edits. You've made about 400, and I can only recall reverting perhaps 3 or 4 of them - once when you made inappropriate edits to another user's userpage, for which I warned you, and a couple of times to ask you to seek consensus for controversial changes. There may have been others, I honestly don't recall - if you disagree with a particular one, please explain why, and give me a diff.

I do, however revert poor edits on articles which are on my watchlist because I have previously edited them, such as this recent one: [1] where you undid a clear improvement with no explanation. If you don't want your edits to be reverted I suggest you take more care not to make such bad ones. We'd like to retain editors, not scare them away by undoing their positive work with no explanation.

I hope that makes things clearer for you. As for 'trouble', I agree that it is a wise thing not to seek that out, and I advise you to stop doing so with poorly considered knee-jerk little 'mini-rants' like this. Thank you. -- Begoon 01:59, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Now that you've drawn my attention to your contributions, I should point out this edit to you. The speedy deletion tag should never have been applied to that page - read CSD G1, which explains "This applies to pages consisting entirely of incoherent text or gibberish with no meaningful content or history. It does not cover poor writing, partisan screeds, obscene remarks, implausible theories, vandalism or hoaxes, fictional material, coherent non-English material, or poorly translated material.". That clearly doesn't apply in this case, and again you risk discouraging a good faith new editor by careless application of inappropriate deletion templates.

The other reason I'm pointing it out is that, when removing the tag after the editor had raised their concern with you (again with no explanatory edit summary), you also carelessly removed the AFC template. I'll leave you to correct your own error, since you dislike being reverted. Update: The editor has now had to fix your new error and replace the tag themselves. -- Begoon 03:14, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Can you please delete the section above?

Can you please delete the section above, as I was rejected at Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions/Rollback because of it? Also, can you be nice enough and give me rollback privileges, since you are an admin? Thanks, Dino245 (talk) 13:13, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

I'm not an admin, and if I was I certainly wouldn't be granting you any additional privileges at this time, having recently seen how careless you are with reversions, and experienced your poor attitude and approach to interaction. You still have a great deal to learn about how to edit and behave appropriately. I don't delete sections from my talk page except bot messages and some notes I've replied to elsewhere - sections here will be archived in due course.

It makes no difference to experienced editors whether a section is still on a page or has been removed or archived anyway. The admin who denied your request would look through your contributions, and would see this conversation in any case - removing things isn't a way to "hide them" - you should remember that when dealing with your own talk page messages. Your contribution list and page histories, and those of every editor, are a permanent record of all edits you have made and all messages you have received, and are viewable by anyone, at any time. Removing something from a page doesn't change that. -- Begoon 13:41, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious
Five years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:58, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

Thank you Gerda. You never forget...
Unlike me - Happy 10th anniversary for Friday. -- Begoon 06:12, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
Thank you, - I'd forget but have a good list, thanks to those who did it before me. My anniversary of Awesomeness was on Saturday, but only 9 years. Would you please give a reminder next year, because I'd not like to give it to myself? It came a year and a day after joining, and I remember the feeling. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:19, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
I've put it in my Outlook calendar, with a reminder - if it doesn't happen now you can blame Bill Gates... I'm not sure if I'll send it myself or get someone else to do it - that can be your surprise... You certainly deserve that, and more. -- Begoon 06:29, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
Nice idea. Yours is supposed to come on 5 July, you - or someone else - can simply copy then ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:37, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
Heh - we'll see... -- Begoon 06:49, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

"fake" SVGs

Hello!

Thanks for editing all my SVGs. I opened the SVGs you said were fake in Inkscape and it seemed as only the trophies in the File:Svenska Cupen logo.svg and File:Svenska Cupen (women) logo.svg were raster, is that correct? The trophies were the only part that didn't show any nodes anyway. About the File:IFK Uddevalla logo.svg though, every part does show nodes so I don't understand what's raster in that logo. Can you please explain? Thanks!Jonteemil (talk) 06:32, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

No worries - yes, I think it's just the trophy - nevertheless, redrawing that as vector was a bigger task than I have time for right now, particularly as it's a logo, so accuracy is crucial. I think that's better as png until/unless we get hold of a decent vector of the trophy, which is pretty central to the image.

As for File:IFK Uddevalla logo.svg - yes, that's a pure vector - all I did was reduce the nominal dimensions, per NFC and tidy the code a bit. Where did I imply that one is not a vector? You may be confusing it with File:IFK Uddevalla Futsal logo.svg which is basically nothing but raster/bitmap in an svg "wrapper". It looks quite smooth even at relatively large rescales because it's a 4000px bitmap so you won't get "jaggies" unless you scale it larger - but it's a bitmap nonetheless. -- Begoon 07:20, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Oh, yeah, you're completely correct, my bad, I meant the futsal logo. Is there an easy way to change the file format? Because File:2015 CONCACAF Women's U-20 Championship.svg and File:2017 CONCACAF Futsal Club Championship logo.svg are raster as well. Is the best way just to download them, open them in Inkscape and saving as PNG?Jonteemil (talk) 07:33, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
Yeah - just use export-png in Inkscape (which is a bit fussy because first you have to use Export-as to set a filename (and watch out for the .svg.png double extension) - then you need to actually do the export(button with the tick)). I generally would do that, then rescale them in photoshop if necessary). -- Begoon 07:42, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
Thanks a lot for your help! I exported the two files mentioned above as well as File:International Korfball Federation logo.svg as PNGs. You may delete the SVG versions if you have those tools.Jonteemil (talk) 08:29, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for taking care of that. I tagged them {{di-orphaned fair use}} - they'll be deleted as CSD:F5 orphans in 7 days - there's no real rush. Thanks also for updating the logos for all the articles you have done - they are greatly improved by your efforts. Cheers. -- Begoon 08:39, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

My pleasure! By the way, do you think you can take a look at File:Landskrona BoIS logo.svg? I removed the redundant invisible part of the file but it didn't go as planned, see for example Landskrona BoIS and sv:Landskrona BoIS, it doesn't generate correctly.Jonteemil (talk) 09:09, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Jonteemil, if you mean the space to left and right in the infobox, that's just because the file is narrower than the infobox width when it has been scaled. To see what I mean, look at this revision where I force the image to take up the full width (apart from the "untouchable" CSS margins) by making it unreasonably big... If you mean something else you'll have to explain because I'm having a dumb day...

Incidentally, in most infoboxes at least here at en.wp you don't need (and shouldn't use) the [[File:xxx.xxx|xxx]] mark-up - you just use the filename without the File: prefix.

If you want a caption there's usually a |caption= parameter or similar, and there's also usually |image_size= or similar for image size. The use of the latter is discouraged though, because it overrides default thumbnail sizes in people's preferences - so you should only force a size if unavoidable. If |image_upright= or |upright= or similar is available, that's preferable if you absolutely have to make images display differently because of aspect ratio (see Help:Pictures#Upright_images) - but many infoboxes don't have it. In general just leaving the size out is best.

If you can't find the parameters you have to look at the documentation for the particular infobox - in this case {{Infobox football club}}. Sadly, they have not been standardised... -- Begoon 09:55, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Hmm, I am very confused. It looks good now, at least on my phone. On my computer it still looks weird. Perhaps it has something to do with cache. Look the difference between phone and computer on sv:Landskrona BoIS here. On my computer it looks so oblong(?) if that's the correct word. If it does has to do with cache I guess eventually it will look good on my computer as well? this page is also different on my computer and phone, see. Anyhow I think it will look good on my computer too eventually.Jonteemil (talk) 09:58, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
Definitely cache. 100% absolute certainty. Mobile cache isn't updated as often as desktop, and mobile phones themselves store cached data for longer to avoid expensive mobile data costs. If none of the tricks here: Wikipedia:Bypass your cache work, and WP:PURGE doesn't help, and you have tried everything you know to get your phone to drop its cache (sometimes involving a hard reboot), you might just have to wait - but that is, no question about it, some cache somewhere between the server and your phone/desktop. -- Begoon 10:06, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
Okay, cheers!Jonteemil (talk) 10:09, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
It's weird that your desktop seems slower to update than your phone, but that could just be because you never looked at it before on your phone - so it's not cached there at all. They all look fine to me (except your imgur snap obviously) It's the thumbnails that are cached, and I know there have been some technical issues slowing down cache updates in the last day or so. -- Begoon 10:12, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

I deleted the cache on my computer and it all looks good now. Mindblown every time something works. Thanks again!Jonteemil (talk) 10:20, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

You're welcome. Thumbnail caches can be infuriating - especially when you make a lot of image alterations. Very occasionally a file/particular thumbnail gets completely 'stuck' - it's only happened to me a couple of times - once we ended up forcing a 221px thumbnail until the 220px one cleared itself several days!!!! later - and at least once nothing worked except uploading with a new filename and deleting the old one. But those are very, very rare and extreme 'bugs' - usually (99.999999% of the time) bypassing your cache and/or purging is enough. -- Begoon 10:26, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
Huh, that must have been annoying. Speaking of something else, the V and K in this logo seems to be raster but everything is vector, can it still be uploaded as an SVG or does it have to be in PNG format?Jonteemil (talk) 12:24, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
Jonteemil - there are no rasters in that svg - it's pure vector

the "V" is 

<p><polygon clip-path="url(#SVGID_32_)" fill="#231F20" points="98.65,31.171 111.358,31.171 91.38,88.032 79.816,88.032 
	60.037,31.171 73.113,31.171 85.822,74.328 		"/>
<polygon clip-path="url(#SVGID_32_)" fill="none" stroke="#231F20" stroke-width="6.0893" stroke-miterlimit="3.864" points="
	98.65,31.171 111.358,31.171 91.38,88.032 79.816,88.032 60.037,31.171 73.113,31.171 85.822,74.328 		"/>
and the "K" is

<polygon clip-path="url(#SVGID_32_)" fill="#231F20" points="383.639,31.171 395.531,31.171 395.531,54.599 417.867,31.171 
	433.48,31.171 409.773,54.599 434.693,88.032 419.16,88.032 401.301,63.19 395.531,69.018 395.531,88.032 383.639,88.032 		"/>
<polygon clip-path="url(#SVGID_32_)" fill="none" stroke="#231F20" stroke-width="6.0893" stroke-miterlimit="3.864" points="
	383.639,31.171 395.531,31.171 395.531,54.599 417.867,31.171 433.48,31.171 409.773,54.599 434.693,88.032 419.16,88.032 
	401.301,63.19 395.531,69.018 395.531,88.032 383.639,88.032 		"/>
-- Begoon 14:23, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
Huh, they didn't trigger any nodes on Inkscape, that's why I suspected they were raster. I don't know why no nodes showed up, thats really odd.Jonteemil (talk) 14:31, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
They're not paths as such, they are polygons (shapes) - see https://design.tutsplus.com/tutorials/quick-tip-fun-tricks-with-inkscapes-polygon-tool--vector-14959

If you don't see any handles or control points then you can select one and use Path > Object to Path from the menu.

Embedded rasters are easy to recognise if you open an svg in a text editor like Notepad++ - you'll see something like:

<image xlink:href="data:image/jpeg;base64,/9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAgEASABIAAD/7AARRHVja3kAAQAEAAAAHgAA/+4AIUFkb2JlAGTAAAAAAQMA EAMCAwYAAewfAALx6gAGJzv/2wCEABALCwsMCxAMDBAXDw0PFxsUEBAUGx8XFxcXFx8eFxoaGhoX Hh4jJSclIx4vLzMzLy9AQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEABEQ8PERMRFRISFRQRFBEUGhQWFhQaJhoaHBoa JjAjHh4eHiMwKy4nJycuKzU1MDA1NUBAP0BAQEBAQEBAQEBAQP/CABEID6APoAMBIgACEQEDEQH/ xAD0AAEAAwADAQAAAAAAAAAAAAAABQYHAQMEAgEBAAMBAQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMEBQIBEAABBAIA BAYABAYCAwEBAAMCAQMEBQAGEDBAESBQYBITFCEzFQdwMSIyNRaAIyQ2FyU0kLAmEQACAQECBgoP BQUHBAIDAQEBAgMEABEhMUFREiIgQGFxgZGhsTITEDBQYMHRQlJicpIjQxQFgqKywjTSM1NzJHDh Y4OTo7OA8MMV8ePi02R0sBIAAQICBQoFBAEFAQEBAQEBAQACESEQMDFBUSBAUGFxgZESIjKhsdFS A8FCYnJgcOGCkhMz8aKQ8FP/2gAMAwEAAhEDEQAAANAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAOs7H k6OvJJDdPXk+rXT1za1P6/V0Ub468vigdfvmhs6+TR2bcetKZoeaWzQaWzXl7pLOPrxorPOwv6h/ fnt5Uvs59uCqd3iyoDu56mUb38++t19nPoAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA4OXk8PfMyq/hk5uzPPFJxqHVk/RJzqfkzZ3zfvJTHfNp81fd8 y3m8Tvzt6jrkPQAA+j5d/wB+e+V7ezz2OSf14ikvz4h0yIZMiGTHBEJX59RiR6/Xier4986H18++ AAAO3qePb6Ylz1YPTVnHtz9dBcdaT68rcdbB24338da6y/2x9aGpPuj7tCG90fXrcc8dAAAAAAAA  .... lots of unreadable encoded binary data - usually several screenfuls like this...
That's from File:IFK Uddevalla Futsal logo.svg above, with some bits trimmed. Vector data will look like proper xml code, like the polygons above. -- Begoon 14:54, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
Aha, thanks for the knowledge!Jonteemil (talk) 07:15, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

edit break

Hello again! How do you identify what part of a vector file that’s raster? For example the logo for A3 Basket on page 6 of https://doc-0c-5k-docs.googleusercontent.com/docs/securesc/pvp69trs9r6b9ml1b59m5g8kkmh93uho/fkl7ul3q072cuit31blv4jmnikouoivt/1568044800000/11838691802533371934/15330211272914938303/1mdd5Z4DTM8n5nhBQk6NCZXL2JiSJSD1n?e=download&nonce=ebg3ud78iu1po&user=15330211272914938303&hash=l5d0geihj1s85bcirbpc5b5vaih5b13j seems completely vector, yet Notepad++ finds several png and jpg images. I don’t know how this can be.Jonteemil (talk) 16:36, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Jonteemil, "Access to doc-0c-5k-docs.googleusercontent.com was denied" so I can't open that link. There are a couple of possibilities for what you're seeing:
  • They might be used for gradient-like/texture effects - Adobe Illustrator often uses bitmaps for that if you're not careful
  • They might be bitmaps which were used to trace from, set to "display:none" in a 'hidden' layer so they don't show in the svg
In the first case sometimes the effect is easy to recreate, so they can be removed - sometimes they are so complex you either have to leave them in or go to png instead. In the second case they can be removed since they are invisible anyway. I can't say which is the case here because I can't see the file. -- Begoon 21:39, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
Just to add - if you want to experiment, you can make a copy of the file and just try deleting the <image...> tags with their encoded base64 binary data in Notepad++ one by one, saving as a 'test' svg and seeing what, if anything changes when you look at the modified svg. You have to be careful not to remove anything else, or you'll just break the svg.

Another quick and dirty trick is to put a copy of the suspect svg in a new, empty folder somewhere, open it with Inkscape and save as PDF in the same folder, then open that document with Inkscape. Uncheck "embed images", in the (second?) dialog when opening and all the pngs/jpegs should be extracted into that folder so you can see what they are. (Make sure you do this in a new, empty folder, because for Illustrator effects and the like there can be dozens of bitmaps and if they get thrown all over a folder like your desktop you'll curse the cleanup task...)

If you want me to see the file without email/uploading to other sites, you can upload it (upload a new version of this file...) briefly to Commons:File:Test.svg then revert that file to the 'Test Card' image straight away for other users and let me know you did that, then I can get it from the file history. -- Begoon 22:05, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Here’s the link you should be avle to open.Jonteemil (talk) 22:22, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
Jonteemil, Ah - that's only the "drop shadow" they've used behind the logo to give it definition when superimposed on the picture in the pdf - probably an Adobe Acrobat effect and not really even part of the logo. If you look at http://www.svenskabasketligan.se/ it's not there at all (http://basketliganherr.se/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/SBL-kopia.png). In my opinion removing that is fine, so I've done so - File:Basketligan logo.svg. -- Begoon 22:40, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
I wasn’t really meaning the league logo but, yeah, I guess that has raster in it as well. The logo I meant was A3 Basket which you’ll find on page 6.Jonteemil (talk) 22:53, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
Some sort of shading effect - Not 100% certain precisely what it is - probably native to Illustrator, because, while Inkscape does, indeed add rasters, Illustrator imported it without any rasters and without visually changing anything I could see, just adding some clip-paths - and, as I'm sure Mr Spock once said (and if he didn't, he should have) - "a difference that makes no difference is no difference" - so File:A3 Basket logo.svg -- Begoon 23:27, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
Oh, and I just noticed - if you'd taken the "league" logo from page 2 it has no shadow there.... -- Begoon 23:35, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
Brilliant, awesome, great, positive words! Thanks a lot, btw, you can’t remove rasters in Inkscape, just Illustrator?Jonteemil (talk) 23:46, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
Oh, you always ask questions with complicated answers. Sometimes an image created in Illustrator and embedded in a pdf (both Adobe products) use texture-mapping or gradient shading, or other effects that Illustrator can render as vector but Inkscape doesn't understand, so it does that. It's a cross-compatibility thing, and it's only really with conversion to/from pdf you'll see the issue much. I have both so I'll always try both if there is an "issue". If it's really a raster effect then no, Illustrator won't "convert" it either, but you get these weird hybrids (like Spock, funnily enough) which Inkscape/Illustrator treat differently. For true raster effects you can only try to manually recreate them with gradients etc, or give up and settle for png if it's impossible to do faithfully. Tiny bitmaps I'll sometimes leave in an svg if they don't bloat it too much and scale ok at reasonable sizes.

One of the problems diagnosing pdf <=> svg 'issues' is that, while svg is an open format, pdf isn't - it's a proprietary (compressed binary?) format owned by Adobe, so it can be a bit of a 'black box' and difficult to peer 'under the hood'. It certainly has at least a few built in 'transition algorithms' between it and Adobe's own Illustrator which can be rather 'opaque' and more than a little confusing/mysterious.

Anyway, what's really important is that Spock did say that in the novel "Spock Must Die!" by James Blish, which I owned as a boy, and that is obviously why I remember it - I don't think he ever said it on screen; the Star Trek Wiki says "Alfred Korzybski (July 3, 1879 - March 1. 1950) was a Human philosopher. He coined the phrase "A difference which makes no difference is no difference."" but most real life searches credit it to William James or to C. S. Peirce. -- Begoon 00:00, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, I wasn’t nicknamed Curious George without a reason... :). Thanks again anyway for a good answers, I’ll try not to bother you too much anytime soon xD.Jonteemil (talk) 00:07, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
You're welcome any time - there's probably a more complete, technical answer to your question, but I'm recounting my experiences there. Conversion of svg to/from pdf is usually straightforward, but there are certainly a few peculiarities in the process and it always pays to check your finished output against a known, good rendering of the image. Cheers. -- Begoon 00:13, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Logo copyright issue

Hello. As you had dealt with the copyright issue of this file- File:College of Agriculture Pune logo.png on 8th October, can you please also take a look at this file? - File:The Asiatic Society of Mumbai Logo.png. And can you please tell me how to put this template 'Non-free media information and use rationale' and the whole matter regarding the same while uploading a work which is not mine? Prat1212 (talk) 20:11, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Ok,  Done as File:Asiatic Society of Mumbai logo.png. You can't upload files to Commons that aren't free, and this is a copyrighted logo. I've marked the Commons file for deletion. When you are uploading with the wizard you need to answer the questions correctly and not just say the file is your own work, or free, because it isn't. Read WP:NFC thoroughly to understand what kind of non-free files can be hosted here at en.wp instead. After the file is uploaded to en.wikipedia (not Commons) you can use the way I've set up the file description for this one as a guide for how to adjust it in future. -- Begoon 01:03, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
Okay, thank you. Prat1212 (talk) 15:34, 16 October 2019 (UTCUTC)

Disputed non-free use rationale for File:John Luxton in Llewellyn Hall.jpg

sorry for any inconvenience. I fixed the issues that you raised. please let me know if there is still any thing required. John's friend took the photo while John was performing in Llewellyn Hall,Canberra, Australia . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nrahimian (talk • contribs) 03:37, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Nrahimian, sorry, but that's not quite enough. We'd also need a copyright release from the copyright holder (John's friend). See WP:Donating copyrighted materials and follow the steps there if you want to proceed. Apologies for the "red tape", but wikipedia has to take copyright matters very seriously, for its own (and your) protection. Thank you. -- Begoon 03:43, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
John's friend passed away about 30 years ago.In fact this is a gift which was given to John that time. I will have a look at the WP:Donating copyrighted materials to find out what I can do in this case.Thanks for coming back to me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nrahimian (talk • contribs) 05:33, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
In those circumstances, if you follow the steps at that page and explain the sequence of events, and that the picture was given to John, I feel sure that it will be possible to organise WP:OTRS permission with which to tag the image - provided that it is John (I'm not entirely clear if you are John) who gets in touch. The donated permission, I'm pretty sure, would need to come directly from John, as the current copyright holder, and not via a third party.

Be aware that donating the image under a free license means that anyone, anywhere, will be able to use or modify the image for whatever purpose, even commercial, they choose, even if those uses might be ones of which the copyright holder would not approve, and there would be no legal recourse in that event. You can't restrict usage of the donated image to wikipedia, or to non-commercial use, forbid modifications, or restrict in other ways, since that would not result in a compatible free license for us to use. Some people/organisations are unwilling to make such a donation, for those reasons, so I felt it wise just to mention the implications. Thanks for taking the trouble to do this properly - it's appreciated. -- Begoon 05:47, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

File:James-Michael-Leathes-Prior-Baron-Prior.jpg

Can you reduce (and crop) this file? Thanks! AlbanGeller (talk) 10:36, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

 Done -- Begoon 10:47, 25 October 2019 (U

SVG help

Hi there, I saw that you cut File:Iran_Khodro_logo.svg to the content removed the white space just by editing the code. I thought you could tell me how to do it for this logo File:Compuware_company_logo_2018.svg. I am certainly not an svg expert. Sorry if I am bothering you. Masum Reza📞 14:06, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

I tried to cut to the content by changing the height and width parameters value. But it resizes it not removes extra blank spaces. Masum Reza📞 15:19, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
Masumrezarock100, sure, I can talk you through it, but to do it easily you would need a tool like Inkscape, which is free. Don't be fooled by the (editing SVG code) edit summary - sometimes I'll use that to copy/paste code generated in another way.
Anyway, here's a quick run-through:
  • Download the file
  • Open it with Inkscape
  • Choose Edit-Select all in all layers **
    • Optionally, to resize:
    • In the Transform window, click the Scale tab (Note: If the Transform window isn't visible, Object-Transform will show it)
    • From the units pulldown, select px
    • Enter your desired width
    • Check the box that says scale proportionally
    • Click Apply
  • Click File-Document properties
  • In the Custom Size window, ensure the units are px
  • Expand the Resize page to Content section just below that
  • Click Resize page to drawing or selection
  • File-Save as SVG
  • Done...
**at the Edit-Select all in all layers step you may occasionally find that there are elements such as an oversized plain background rectangle or elements deliberately left in but outside the viewport for ease of later editing which you don't want the crop/resize to take account of. If this is the case you have to carefully, manually select all the elements which you do want the crop/resize to take account of, excluding the 'unwanted' objects (or select the 'unwanted' object(s) and Edit-Invert selection if that's easier).
That may sound like a lot of steps, but it's the most straightforward, guaranteed path, and after you've done it a few times it will be second nature.

If you don't want to resize, but just want to crop to the content, you can skip the steps with the extra indent.

As you discovered, you can change overall nominal size with a quick code change, but in this case you want to trim to all the elements, so Inkscape is easier. You can read all about viewbox/viewport sizing in the tutorial here. Cheers. -- Begoon 00:12, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the helpful links and sentences. I've cropped the svg. :) Masum Reza📞 14:53, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
You're welcome. It looks fine - good job. -- Begoon 20:00, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Proper rationale for CONMEBOL logo image

Hi, could you help me to build up a proper rationale for the image? I do not have experience in doing so, and I believe, whether I made a mistake from the beginning or not, that this image is relevant to the Copa América Centenario article, as well as the CONMEBOL article. I'm sorry to make use of your time, but if you could help out, it would be greatly appreciated. Cheers! 3BRBS (talk) 04:28, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

You need reliably sourced commentary specifically concerning the logo and it's visual appearance in the article(s). Just adding a caption or a brief mention isn't enough. In other words, you need to find reliable sources which discuss the logo and it's visual appearance in the context of the subject of the article, in sufficient depth that give it context and significance, enough that the reader would be disadvantaged by not having visual context for the image. If you think you can find that, let me know, and I might be able to help you construct something. It needs to be content that would not be considered WP:UNDUE, and which consensus would agree is significant enough that the text should be included in the article regardless of whether the image is, not just something tangentially related used to "shoehorn" the image in. -- Begoon 04:38, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for your prompt reply. This threshold seems not met in the CONMEBOL article, where the image used (old CONMEBOL logo) seems sustained just by a cap. This old logo image was probably the main inspiration for believing that the 100th-anniversary logo was as relevant as the old logo. I wonder why the old logo image, having a similar relevance/mention in the page that the one I added in the Copa América Centenario might be submitted to a higher scrutiny base... or maybe the rationale used for the old logo of CONMEBOL be used instead of the one I provided? 3BRBS (talk) 04:59, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
3BRBS, well, you are correct that the other logo appears to similarly fail NFC requirements, so I've tagged that one as "disputed rationale" too. When you "wonder why" the same scrutiny was not being applied the reason is often just that nobody noticed until it was pointed out. My guess is that logo was the "current" one when originally added, so the rationale was valid at that point as the "primary means of identification in the infobox" which is usually permissible for one, current, non-free image - it was probably then moved lower in the article when the new logo superseded it in the infobox by someone who didn't realise the rationale was no longer valid, and nobody noticed since.

Incidentally, if you'd like wider input than just my opinion on how NFC should be interpreted here, you are always free to start a discussion for either or both of these older logos at WP:FFD - a wider range of opinions can often be helpful. -- Begoon 05:22, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, well, your rationale seems fine, understanding that there isn't any other option or valid rationale (I read the page, but couldn't distill out another rationale if there was one). I guess that the only other option at this moment here is to create an article about the history of the CONMEBOL logo, which wasn't needed/possible a couple of years ago, but with an array of at least 2 logos created in the last 2-3 years, added to the variations of the old one, and foreseeing that there are not going to be any major changes in the following years due to the new logo, seems relevant enough to me. Nevertheless I do not have the time to start such an article right now this second, it would be a bit sad to not have the images available for that, but oh well, we'll see. 3BRBS (talk) 17:19, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
I don't really understand that logic. If there isn't any relevant commentary on the logos available from reliable sources to put an entry in the existing articles then it's hard to see where the content would come from to create an entire, notable, separate article just about the logos. And if some sourced content is available then it could be placed in the existing articles as discussed above. I'm afraid I don't really follow your thinking. The images, wherever they are contemplated, are still going to have to satisfy all the WP:NFC criteria, and that's the real barrier at this point - thinking about a completely separate article just adds more requirements, because then you're going to need substantial sourced content, and to additionally satisfy WP:GNG -- Begoon 17:30, 29 September 2019 (UTC

University of Westminster

Thank you for replacing the file with a .png file (File:UniWestminster_Coat_of_Arms.png --Aloneinthewild (talk) 09:59, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

You're welcome. It avoids the rectangular white background in the infobox (jpg as a format doesn't permit transparency), so worth doing. -- Begoon 10:06, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
Is there an easy method to convert from jpg to png? Aloneinthewild (talk) 10:08, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
Well you can open any jpeg in an image editing program like Photoshop or GIMP and save it as a png. If you want to remove a white or coloured background though, there's some editing involved, because you have to select and delete all the areas you don't want - that can be easy or difficult with varying results depending on the complexity of the image (and your skill/knowledge/familiarity with the tool/process).

However, it's not always a good idea to convert from jpeg to png - particularly for Mediawiki use, because Mediawiki "blurs" thumbnails of some png images - especially those containing "photographic" data. There's also the obvious issue that a png will usually be bigger (sometimes many times bigger) because it's not compressed like a jpeg, so png files take longer to download and use more bandwidth. That's not the big issue it once was, with improving internet speeds, but it can still be significant, especially for large files. Smaller files are obviously more "mobile friendly".

Png is useful because it's lossless, which means you can edit and save a png without quality loss. Jpeg potentially degrades every time you edit and resave because it gets recompressed, and that's a "lossy" process. For that reason if you are going to be editing a file it's always best to work in a png "master" file which you keep, and save the jpeg only when (each time) the editing is done.

The mediawiki 'blurry' png thumbnail issue is annoying, and longstanding. Png is a lossless format, unlike jpg which degrades when edited, so keeping lossless png 'masters' but using a jpg copy for thumbnailing is a workaround. Mediawiki sharpens jpg thumbnails, but not png, often resulting in annoyingly, noticeably 'blurry' png thumbnails by comparison. See c:Commons:Graphic Lab/Photography workshop/Archive/2018#Margaret Thatcher and phabricator:T192744 for more on this issue of 'blurry' png thumbnailing by mediawiki. -- Begoon 10:22, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Logos

Damn you're fast! :) Do you mind doing the same for the other logos? Also some parts near the edges seem to have vanished for some reason, can it be fixed?Jonteemil (talk) 06:07, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Jonteemil, Ok - I guess you got them all from the same pdf? It might take me an hour - I have to eat in a moment. -- Begoon 06:12, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
Yep, that's correct. Take your time, no hurry :).Jonteemil (talk) 06:14, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
Ok, 17  Done - I think that's all of them. -- Begoon 07:16, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
Perfect, thanks!Jonteemil (talk) 07:20, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
Is it possible to remove the very thin white line that goes through the A and the F in HFK in File:Karlslunds IF HFK logo.svg in some way. I figured that just connecting the nodes in Inkscape would do the job but it didn’t for some reason.Jonteemil (talk) 07:29, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, that was some weird result of the lettering being "tiled" in 2 objects that can't align properly - probably an artefact of the pdf extraction. The simple, lazy fix was to drop a new "A" and "F" in a new layer over the top, so I did that. -- Begoon 07:47, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
Perfect👍🏻.Jonteemil (talk) 07:57, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
Thanks for your edits regarding the copyright issues I faced. Taha Wasiq 19:14, 1 November 2019 (UTC)(UTC)

Allegations of support system in Pakistan for Osama bin Laden

Who remove this page(Allegations of support system in Pakistan for Osama bin Laden) from wikipedia and please recover this page Jku456 (talk) 10:26, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Nobody "removed" it - a user added a redirect, either accidentally, or maliciously, it's hard to tell. I fixed it. I also removed the barrage of emoticons in your message here - it would be better, imo, to work on your actual English communication skills (which to date seem close to non-existent) than to "master" the art of bombarding the eye of the reader with pointless icon-cruft.

Incidentally, I was quite serious in my message on your talk page - your disruptive behaviour and lack of competence with "see-also"s has got to stop now. My patience, and that of others, is pretty much exhausted clearing up the mess you've been making. -- Begoon 21:25, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Abraj Al Bait

The reason why the caption is redundant is that the building has not changed since 2012, so context of when the photo was taken is irrelevant. It's very obvious that the image depicts the subject of the article, as it is at the top of the infobox, so telling people that it is an image of the towers is also irrelevant. To me, it is clear that this caption is redundant. IWI (chat) 19:44, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Well, to me it's not redundant - it tells me when, and from where, the picture was taken. The information that "the building has not changed since 2012" is something you may know, I don't. I'm all in favour of removing unnecessary captions - I do it a lot - search my contributions for the edit summary WP:THANKYOUCAPTIONOBVIOUS. This isn't one of those occasions. If it's clear to you, but not to me, then the caption serves a purpose to somebody - therefore it isn't redundant. Thanks for sharing your opinion, though. I am going to straighten that picture, so it wasn't a total waste of time. -- Begoon 19:50, 6 November 2019 (UTC)


Fair use reductions

Hi Begoon. Would you mind reducing these fair-use images, if you have the time? Thanks! AlbanGeller (talk) 10:27, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

No time today, but I'll try to look at them for you tomorrow. I can just work from the original and overwrite whatever the bot does to them in the meantime. -- Begoon 10:47, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
Okay, I'll hide {{Non-free reduce}} in the meantime. AlbanGeller (talk) 10:50, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
No real need to do that, there's another bot that will come along and re-tag them (and some humans sometimes like to do that too (redundantly)). No harm in just letting the bots have their fun - I can just replace whatever they do later. -- Begoon 11:00, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
Ok,  Done - -- Begoon 01:32, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Oakland Raiders 60 seasons logo.svg

Hi there, I saw you uploaded a new version of the Oakland Raiders 60th logo. I’m not sure what you changed to it, but I have always been told that the hxw should be 300x300px, or under... that’s why I had it at 228x248. I’m just curious as there wasn’t an explanation! Corky 09:05, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi. You can see a summary of my changes in the upload summary (in the "File History" section). The cropping was uneven - it touched the border on one side but not others, I evened that out to 2px all round (I always leave a small border where curves touch edges because Mediawiki/rsvg sometimes cuts bits off or creates ugly "crop artefacts" when generating thumbnails if you don't). I also added 
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="no"?>
to the top, because the w3c validator whines if it's not there, and just generally tidied the code a bit, both of the latter only because I already had the file open. With regards to dimensions, the guideline actually says that the image should be less than about 0.1 megapixels (100,000 pixels) - for a square image that would be 316 x 316 px - the 300 number is something that gets bandied around a bit as a rule of thumb, I've often heard it thrown around with respect to album covers in particular, but it's not what WP:IMAGERES actually says. Cheers. -- Begoon 09:45, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
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