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Cricket!

@Lugnuts and A Simple Human: Yay, some Associate International cricket is on the way! Luxembourg are hosting a T20I Trophy with Czechia and Belgium, 28-30 August at Walferdange. Not much information at the moment, but I will get a page started later if nobody else has. Bs1jac (talk) 14:48, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Finally some good news! Slow start, then hopefully a full(ish) return in the next few months. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 14:51, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Wow. The associates are doing their best to arrange some matches. Nobody else does? I'm sure you'll be the first one as usual. Human (talk) 15:11, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

And domestic cricket returning to the UK on 1 August! Just ready for the frost and snow... :D Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 15:13, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Morning! Don't know if you've seen this. More here too. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 08:06, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

@Lugnuts: Thanks, sorting it now.

@Lugnuts: I also came across this. I assume T20 Internationals, but not sure. EDIT: Actually the Cricket Denmark calendar labels them as T20, unlike the Nordic Cup matches which it labels as T20I, so the Norway series may be one of those annoying 'no status' tours. Indeed Cricket Denmark have confirmed this. Bs1jac (talk) 10:39, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

@Lugnuts: More European cricket on it's way! A first T20I for Isle of Man, plus Malta tours of Czech Republic and Romania (dates known for the Malta tours, but not enough info for a page as yet so have just added them to the season page). Bs1jac (talk) 17:16, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Great news! I think in Europe we're moving in the right direction with this pesky virus (fingers crossed), so things cricket-wise are starting to, er, start. Thanks, as always, for your hard work on all the Associate stuff. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 17:18, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

@Lugnuts: Unfortunately Czarsports have advised me that the Isle of Man game will not be a T20I (they asked Cricket Guernsey). Emerging Cricket and IoM said earlier that one of the three matches will be ICC-recognised T20I, but now Guernsey Press have them all listed as Guernsey XI v IoM XI and specifically says not T20I. Will leave it it while and redirect the page to the season page if necessary. Bs1jac (talk) 18:14, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Booo! But on the plus-side, there's some matches between the Netherlands, Denmark and Scotland on the cards. I've sorted out the Dutch-Scottish series, do you want to do the honours for the Dutch-Denmark one? Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 11:21, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

@Lugnuts: Cheers, and done. Interesting that the link on the EC article to the Dutch cricket website is no longer working and the news is no longer on the Dutch site! Bs1jac (talk) 13:46, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

@Lugnuts: PS: The EC article has been updated, and Scotland have said on Twitter that the matches have not been confirmed. It has all been removed from the Dutch site. Bs1jac (talk) 15:24, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

@Bs1jac and Lugnuts: This post from Malta says that they havent decided on whether the games will have T20I status or not. Good job for not creating the article now. Human (talk) 15:23, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

@A Simple Human: Yes I saw that (we didn't have enough info for those anyway). As you will see above, EC have now confirmed that Scotland have said that their games with the Dutch have not been agreed (and I was already doubting the Dutch-Danes game); so that work by Lugnuts and myself could become a waste again! A shame that so many matches may not actually count. And EC appear to be jumping the gun a bit at the moment. Bs1jac (talk) 15:27, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

@Bs1jac: I see. I dont believe in czarsports anymore as their site have been blocked by my firewall and isnt letting me access. I myself asked Guernsey cricket after I saw your message earlier. You can do your part of asking too. Human (talk) 15:32, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

@A Simple Human: I have always had that problem with czarsports which is a shame as the guy does a good job of sourcing info. Here is the article that specifically states the Guernsey games will not be T20I (although of course they could be wrong!). Looks like Ned-Sco and Ned-Den are not confirmed, while the Mlt tours of Cze and Rom are confirmed but not the status of matches... argh! :) Bs1jac (talk) 15:38, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

@Bs1jac: The Danish cricket twiiter account still retweeted the article from EC. I dont think that account knows about the updated news yet. Human (talk) 15:51, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

The thing with some of the associates and EC is that they tend to use the term "Twenty20 International" to mean any T20 match between national sides, regardless of whether it is an 'official' T20I as defined by the ICC. And I do understand why... but obviously for our purposes it means something specific. Bs1jac (talk) 16:00, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

@Bs1jac and Lugnuts: Ok. Guernsey cricket has responded to me. They said one of the game will be T20I. I have asked specifically aboyt the T20I status, so I think they might be legit. Human (talk) 16:20, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

@A Simple Human: They specifically told both me and Czarsports yesterday they would not be. The only primary source (Guernsy Press) says they are not. Let's leave that page redirecting for now and hope there is further positive clarity soon about what would be an IoM debut :) . Bs1jac (talk) 16:30, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

How annoying! I did notice that the link to the KNCB site in the E/C article didn't work, but thought they'd linked it to the wrong page. But then I couldn't find it on the Dutch site afterall. Oh well, I've redirected the Ned/Sco page for now. Hopefully it takes place. If you can book a cheap flight from the UK to Spain, I don't see why not... Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 16:21, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

@Bs1jac: I dont know you personally in social media or else I could have given you the screenshot of the answer if you dont believe me. Human (talk) 16:33, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

@A Simple Human: I didn't say I don't believe you (I do!); merely that there is conflicting information about regarding the Guernsey series. I have a screen shot of Guernsey saying they will not be official. I certainly hope at least one match is official. Bs1jac (talk) 16:37, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

@Bs1jac: I send Guernsey cricket the link where it said they werent any T20Is. They said the plan is changed and Friday's even game is a T20I. Human (talk) 20:19, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

@A Simple Human: Cool, let's hope that stays the case as it would be good to see them play a ranked match. I tried contacting then again through Facebook today as well, but I will restore the page in a bit anyway. Associate stuff can get so confusing sometimes can't it. Bs1jac (talk) 21:26, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Evening! Just spotted this tour on Cricket Archive between Austria and Germany's womens teams. Don't know if you have more info elsewhere. Thanks. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 19:08, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Good spot! Germany Women's Cricket have mentioned it in passing on Twitter, but not really good enough. Hopefully there will be a proper announcement soon. Bs1jac (talk) 19:19, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Evening (again)! Looks like the Danish cricket team in the Netherlands in 2020 matches are not taking place :( Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 17:52, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Nice work with the Austria/Germany series. Here's another report from Women's CricZone, if you've not seen it. Note, they seem to have updated their site, so links to their news stories seem to be broken. And nice to see the ICC posting an indepth article about the tour for a change! Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 14:13, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Yeah I tried to get that ref but it was broken at the time (404 error). Was lucky enough to watch a lot of the live stream for this series. Germany have two or three players who mighy be decent against slightly stronger opposition. Bs1jac (talk) 14:46, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Morning. I agree with your comment on czarsports copying the WP info. Maybe for a future Associate tour, we could set up a copyright trap by adding a (temporary and subtle) incorrect name! Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 09:01, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Ha, yes often thought about it. Funny this got added after I grabbed it from cricclubs and put it on WP last night. Others do this for sure. To be fair the guy at Czarsports is really helpful and willing to exchange sources, and we have exchanged DMs on Twitter. Their site throws security issues though. Also to be fair, even Emerging Cricket sometimes use our info, but I like them. Bs1jac (talk) 09:06, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Fair enough, at least it's not all one-way traffic. The IOM cricket site has confirmed the same squad. However, the site design is bit basic, so they use the same URL for all their news updates. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 13:43, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Yes their site is annoying for referencing Bs1jac (talk) 13:54, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Central Europe Cup

@Lugnuts and A Simple Human: Hi guys, I thought that I would share some info with you both that I came across during my research. The Central Europe Cup is now scheduled for 24-27 Sep in Prague, on two pitches at one ground, featuring Czechia, Belgium, Luxembourg, Austria, Malta and Hungary. Two groups of three then knock out rounds for a total of 13 matches. No published refs yet, but schedule is due out later in the week so I/we can sort a page then. I have a little bit on the history as well, so should be decent.

Ps: Interesting that Lux beat the Czechs so easily on Friday, but got pretty well beat twice today. Plus that Belgian captain looks very good for this level. Some great shots today. Bs1jac (talk) 21:39, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

@Bs1jac: That's great. Glad more cricket is coming. Hungary might play their first T20Is finally. Lux probably had a fluke victory since couldn't beat Czechs in last year's continental cup. Human (talk) 21:54, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

@A Simple Human: Was certainly a surprise result, although we all know what t20 can do. Several personel changes as well. But yeah, today was probably a more 'normal' result. Interesting to see how the Czech-Belgium replay goes in the morning. Bs1jac (talk) 22:12, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

@Bs1jac: I found out that this tournament was played last year June also. Somehow it didn't have T20I status. I don't know about this year though. Details could be found here [1] and [2]. It had Latvia and Switzerland in it who are not members of ICC but Czechs and Hungary should've played T20I unless Hungary sent their unusual squad. Human (talk) 22:40, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

@A Simple Human: It has been running since 2014, previously as a 50-over format until it changed to T20 last year. In 2019, the participants were Czechia, a Hungary XI (like in the Valletta Cup, not an ICC-eligible squad), and two non-members (I think it was Switzerland and Latvia)... so no matches were played between two ICC members, hence no T20Is. The guy from Czech cricket indicates this year will probably be T20I (assuming Hungary don't do an XI again). So fingers crossed it will be. Bs1jac (talk) 22:55, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Ps I see you spotted that now (those links were among those I read last year). I was wondering this time last year why the Czech - Hungary games were not T20Is but read back then that it was a Hungary XI. Interestingly the two sides also played a 3 match bilateral in Hungary in July 2019 that didny have status, probably also due to eligible squads or just played as friendlies. Bs1jac (talk) 22:58, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Great work as always in finding this info. Fingers crossed it goes ahead, and it has full T20I status too! Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 07:24, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

@A Simple Human: Hi mate. Czech Cricket chair confirmed to me today that the CE cup will be full T20I (all matches) this year, assuming COVID doesn't stop it and that the schedule has been submitted to the ICC. Hopefully we'll see details later in the week (games will be 24-27 Sep). Not much else going on in Associate cricket until then! Bs1jac (talk) 21:17, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

@Bs1jac: That's nice. Hopefully we'll see it on ICC's calender soon. Yes that seems like a long hiatus. I hope Covid doesn't ruin this one too and Hugary doesn't send their weird squad. (Mate...feeling Ozzy today aren't we). Human (talk) 21:57, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Lol. Mate is a very British word. Now if I had said "G'Day mate"... Bs1jac (talk) 22:03, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Morning! Incase you missed this, it states "Negotiations are also underway which would see Belgium host France, and travel to Czech Republic for the Central European Cup..." at the foot of the article. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 10:42, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Cheers. I am giving up until the current mess is sorted. One minute accused of breaking guidelines without any evidence other than 'how did you know about something I didn't' and then being told that the specific guidelines we are following are not valid. All because someone created the article too soon. Bs1jac (talk) 11:15, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Understandable. Maybe you play for the Luxembourg XI! :D Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 11:22, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

@Bs1jac: You are right. The series with France doesnt have enough infos except one line. Obviously certain people will have problems. Human (talk) 15:28, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

@A Simple Human: Yep, clearly too early for that one (just a passing reference). Lugnuts was just pointing it to me out of interest. I am taking a step back anyway for a few days until the CEC is inevitably deleted. I hope the France games do go ahead though; another official debut! Bs1jac (talk) 15:50, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

@Bs1jac: I'd advice you to save the draft of the article in your sandbox in case it gets deleted. Human (talk) 16:23, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

@A Simple Human: Already done. Can recycle if it becomes reasonable to do so. By the way, no need to bother pinging me when putting a message on my own talk page... I will get an alert anyway :) Bs1jac (talk) 19:31, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

In case you are wondering the original CE cup for this year would have been like this. There would've benn much lesser T20Is then. Sucks so many countries arent part of ICC. Human (talk) 14:23, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

@A Simple Human: Yeah they told me that the teams taking part have changed several times over the last couple of months. I am glad all six are ICC members... hate those events where some matches have status and some do not. Bs1jac (talk) 16:40, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

@Lugnuts and A Simple Human: Good news is we managed to avoid the deletion. Bad news is Czech Cricket have just informed me that the event is now cancelled due to the worsening COVID situation there. Bs1jac (talk) 08:19, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Mercy! Oh well, we did our best. Maybe the page can be salvaged into the history of the tournament instead. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 13:29, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

We still won! I have already written a decent piece in my Sandbox for starters. Is the protocol to wait for a conclusion? Should the page be changed and then the move takes place, or should we let the move happen first? Bs1jac (talk) 13:31, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Oh yeah, didn't spot the move request. I would have used my initiative, been bold and moved it straight away. I'd just go ahead and change the text if it was me. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 14:43, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Bulgaria - Malta

@A Simple Human: Hi - you'll be glad to hear that I have had some communication from Bulgaria's captain to say that they are hosting Malta for 9 T20s 24-29 September (next week). First four will be T20I, they are just waiting on ICC confirmation. So Malta appear to have a replacement for their visit to Prague. Obviously nothing notable out there yet. Bs1jac (talk) 10:17, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Yes isnt any news about it. Certain people will object if you create an article. Human (talk) 10:27, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Wasn't planning to, just thought you might like to hear about it. Bs1jac (talk) 16:14, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Bulgaria has confirmed me with their horroble slavic english that the T20Is are happening. They will post further updates tomorrow. Human (talk) 05:53, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Yes they are still awaiting final approval from ICC before announcing publicly. Bs1jac (talk) 06:00, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Excellent work here - you can't beat a bit of Bully(garia). Super, smashing, great! Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 13:48, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

@A Simple Human and Lugnuts: Shame the weather wiped out day 2. FYI: Unofficially, the next one could be the Balkan Cup 17-18 October in Romania, featuring the hosts plus Bulgaria and Serbia. All approved by the ICC, but I think the teams need to finalize plans. Probably a double round-robin with three games per day. Bs1jac (talk) 11:21, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

I like how teams are coming up with tournaments just to play more T20Is. I doubt they even had that many tournaments or convetted the existibg ones into T20 format before ICC took the decisions. However most of these are from Europe. I'd like to see teams outside of Europe play more T20Is. Human (talk) 11:39, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

@A Simple Human: The more I research, the more T20 tournaments and bilaterals I discover from the last 10 years. Mostly in Europe though, yes. Bs1jac (talk) 11:46, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

As we head into winter, maybe other parts of the world will be playing matches too. Not sure what the COVID situation is like in Africa compared to Europe, but they always seem to have competive matches & teams, with the likes of Uganda, Tanzania, Ghana, Kenya, etc. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 16:19, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Balkan Cup

@Bs1jac: Good news. The Balkan Cup is happening. Romania and Bulgaria confirmed. Serbia seems doubtful. It is in Moara Vlasiei Cricket Ground. Cricket Romania will release details within next week. Human (talk) 04:18, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

@A Simple Human: Yep thanks, all known. Just waiting for the details. Bs1jac (talk) 08:12, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

I was trying to ping Lugnuts. I know youll get notified automatically. Human (talk) 08:18, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

@A Simple Human: No worries. Definitely let me know if you here info about any events if you can :) Bs1jac (talk) 08:20, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

@Lugnuts: Hi. There might be some cricket in the other part of the world in 2021 [3]. I know czarsportz isnt reliable but this is interesting. I hope cricket at the 2022 Asian Games, if it ever happens according to the link, are T20Is. Meanwhile I havent found any more infos about the Balkan Cup and its scheduled to start 4 days later. Thanks. Update: The Czarsports website doesnt give securities alerts anymore after they relaunched their website. They might be considered trustable now? Human (talk) 04:57, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi Human! I hope you are safe and well where you are. Thanks for this - interesting read. My issue with CzarSports was that about 18 months ago, it seemed to be very unreliable, with several stories that simply weren't accurate. However, this year they seem to have up'd their game on quality control, and I believe there's no issue with their info anymore. It's good that they've reworked their website too. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 06:51, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure the Balkan Cup isn't taking place anymore. It's for a long hiatus I guess. Human (talk) 11:58, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Bulgarian captain advised a few days ago that they are in talks over a bilateral, and these things can be arranged at short notice (the last series was only confirmed a few days ahead of the games). But yeah probably not a triangular, and possibly nothing. Bs1jac (talk) 12:27, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Yes Romania cricket has said that Romania and Bulgaria will play a 4 match T20I bilateral series as Serbia cannot come due to travel restrictions. It starts from 16 October. The link is here. Human (talk) 01:28, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Sadly that's not really enough, especially as it has been reposted on the main account from an apparently unofficial account. I have alerted EC to the series so hopefully someone there will decide to write a preview. Bs1jac (talk) 07:40, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Yes. Alert in as many places as you can. You dont to get this thing in trouble ofcourse. :) Human (talk) 09:25, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

2022 WT20I World Cup

Hey Hey Hey look here 1 . Argentina and Brazil Women to take part in America Qualifier for 2022 Women T20 World Cup (as per czarsportzauto though) Aditya tamhankar (talk) 10:29 AM (IST), 14 October 2020

Yes that's good news. Sure we will be able to cover the women's qualifiers when all the details are announced. Bs1jac (talk) 12:58, 14 October 2020 (UTC)