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Wrong place

Wrong place. Carfan568 (talk) 14:57, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

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@MWright96: Thank you for improving it. However, in my opinion, the edits that I made were made in good faith and were not a clear violation of the manual of style, so simply removing them and calling it "amateurish" wasn't exactly appropriate. Again, thank you for improving it. Carfan568 (talk) 18:07, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

@Carfan568: And I apologize for my earlier comment in the comments section which were out of character for yours truly MWright96 (talk)

BRD

Go read this, as you seem unaware: WP:BRD Pyrope 21:34, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

September 2020

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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@Joseph2302: Did you even read the discussions I cited? Constructor and team are not the same thing. Also, reverting once is hardly edit warring when I cited information which they probably weren't aware of. Carfan568 (talk) 15:50, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Reverting three times on 2019 Formula One World Championship, and doing the same thing on 2018 & 2020 season articles is edit warring. Yes I read the discussions, but I (and others) do not agree with your interpretation of them. Per WP:BRD, please start a discussion about it, I recommend [[WT:F1]. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:53, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

The first edits that I did are not reverts. On the 2019 page, I accidentally reverted WOSlinker because he had published edits while I was editing another table on the article. I did not revert anyone on the 2018 page and only once on the 2020 page. Carfan568 (talk) 16:02, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

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Edit summary

When you make a change can you please use an Edit summary so everyone else will have some chance of seeing what you are doing? Thanks. Britmax (talk) 15:40, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

@Britmax: The "Team" column on the driver results section is supposed to have the entrant name of the team, so I didn't see anything contentious about it. As for the F1 page, I changed the terms because for example Ferrari doesn't necessarily supply engines to itself and constructors are formed of both chassis and engine, but I should have added an edit summary so sorry for that. Carfan568 (talk) 16:04, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Still not using the Edit summary to tell us anything, then? Britmax (talk) 18:10, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

@Britmax: I thought it was a fairly uncontentious addition since other pages have that information, so I added a very brief edit summary. I will try to be more considerate with edit summaries next time, but please note that they are not necessarily compulsory for uncontroversial changes. Carfan568 (talk) 18:48, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for that, but it is still easier to spot non contentious changes with a summary. Britmax (talk) 23:06, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Your support "vote" on the requested move you started

Hi Carfan568. I noticed on Talk:WeatherTech SportsCar Championship#Requested move 20 January 2021 that even though you started the requested move, you also made a comment starting with a bolded support (in fairness it was actually Comment/Support). In case you didn't know, unless you made the nomination neutrally (which you didn't, as is perfectly standard) the nominator should not make a separate bolded "vote" later on in the discussion (see WP:RMCOMMENT, "Nomination already implies that the nominator supports the name change, and nominators should refrain from repeating this recommendation on a separate bulleted line.").

It's not overly important but you may want to consider striking your bolded support. In any case keep this in mind for future discussions. Thanks. A7V2 (talk) 23:44, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

@A7V2: I didn't know that, so thank you for informing me about it. Carfan568 (talk) 06:53, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Reverting your move of List of Formula One constructors

A heads up that I have reverted your move of List of Formula One constructors as there is a very reasonable arguement that this is the commonname. When people say constructors they more often than not mean car constructors, even though the term refers to the collective. When people mean engine constructors they generally don't call them constructors but suppliers. If you still think the page should be moved please start an WP:RM.
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Red Bull Powertrains

Red Bull Powertrains is the full name manufacturing, like Mercedes AMG High Performance Powertrains. From Bahrain onwards the power unit name is displayed only as Red Bull, as the current case only Mercedes. Source.--Island92 (talk) 18:49, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

@Island92: The entry list on FIA's website lists the make of the engine as "Red Bull Powertrains" (source), while Mercedes is just Mercedes despite the full name of the engine division being Mercedes AMG High Performance Powertrains. It might be a good idea to wait for more entry lists before making further changes, though. Carfan568 (talk) 18:58, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Indeed my friend, I've been waiting for the first real entry list of the season, that related to the 2022 Bahran Grand Prix. This is the one based on the 2021 Grand Prix. We are expected to read entrant name "Oracle Red Bull Racing", while the constructor just "Red Bull". As well as we are expected to read AlphaTauri Red Bull rather than AlphaTauri Red Bull Powertrains; this is because we don't read for istance McLaren Mercedes AMG High Performance Powertrains, but we rather read McLaren Mercedes.--Island92 (talk) 19:04, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

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Honda RBPT

Honda RBPT means [[Honda in Formula One|Honda]] [[Red Bull Powertrains|RBPT]]. Island92 (talk) 17:53, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

@Island92: We had a discussion at WT:F1 and the consensus was that Honda RBPT is a new entity and the results are not credited for both Honda and RBPT. Linking to both of them violates MOS:SEAOFBLUE and would imply that both Honda and RBPT are considered as the engine manufacturer, even though it is just Honda RBPT. The link to Honda RBPT redirects to the section which covers their history and results. Carfan568 (talk) 18:04, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Ok.--Island92 (talk) 18:09, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Not needed to put Honda RBPT in the lead. That is something generic as the practice in previous seasons.--Island92 (talk) 18:51, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

@Island92: What do you mean by "something generic as the practice in previous seasons"? And I disagree that it is not needed; because Red Bull is only responsible for the chassis, it is only appropriate to mention what engine they have since it also contributes significantly to the results. Carfan568 (talk) 19:13, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Restored.--Island92 (talk) 19:18, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

"Honda RBPT" should be redirected to Red Bull Powertrains. The "Honda" term is included for its technical support, acting as title sponsor. Power units are supplied by Red Bull Powertrains, RBPT.--Island92 (talk) 13:21, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

@Island92: The engines have nothing to do with Red Bull other than some branding, and Honda is still supplying the engines from Japan; the Red Bull name is only there to reflect the official withdrawal. And regarding your recent revert at the 2023 season page, StatsF1 is not a better source to know the engine name than the official websites of AlphaTauri and Honda as well as Autosport. Carfan568 (talk) 13:31, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

I assume you're wrong. The branding is provided by Honda via its technical support, not Red Bull. Honda badge is back on engines and chassis (this since the 2022 Japanese Grand Prix), but power units are supplied by RBPT. Source says "it has been decided that the name Honda will be added to the PU manufacturer's name and power unit name." Red Bull RBPTH001 in 2022, Honda Red Bull RBPTH001 in 2023.--Island92 (talk) 13:40, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

@Island92: Read the following from The Race: "Honda officially quit F1 at the end of 2021 but continues to work assembling and supplying engines for Red Bull Racing and AlphaTauri with a slimmed-down team in Japan." And why do you think StatsF1 is a better source to know the engine name than the official websites of AlphaTauri and Honda as well as Autosport? Carfan568 (talk) 13:53, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

I can ask the same about the reliability of The Race website. I match it with Red Bull Racing-TAG Heuer, TAG Heuer acting as branding, with Renault power units. Racing Point-BWT Mercedes, BWT acting as branding, with Mercedes power units. Red Bull Racing-Honda RBPT, Honda acting as branding, with RBPT power units.--Island92 (talk) 14:06, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

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