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Billy900 Greetings. I have reviewed the draft and it does not pass the notability guidelines required. Please read the comment and click on all the "blue highlighted texts" for more information and also pls read Wikipedia:NALBUMS requirements. Happy New Year.03:42, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
Good afternoon. At a time when the number of active Wikipedians has been stagnant for half a decade and our project is having a hard time attracting new people, you are doing Wikipedia a massive disservice by moving new users' first articles to draftspace with no advance warning or offer to help whatsoever beyond an impersonal boilerplate text.
You are, of course, absolutely right to ask for add sources and citations. Verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia. And yet, in the time it took you to move that page and slap that boilerplate text onto his user talk page, you could have added a source to the article yourself to show him how it is done. You could have left him a personalised message offering help. You could have let him know that you were willing to answer any questions and clear up any doubts he may have had. Instead, you applied your standard scorched-earth tactics and moved on, while that user has not made a single edit since. Clap, clap, clap.
I get that you and the other good folks over at Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation are trying to justify the existence of that pretentious little curtain-twitching project of yours, but please stop doing it in a way that discourages new editors and disrupts Wikipedia as a whole. Thank you and Happy New Year.--Leptictidium (mt) 14:50, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
Leptictidium Good day. I am very well aware of not BITE newcomers; however, please do note that articles have no source in new page CAN be moved to draft space - please see WP:NPPDRAFT. Secondly, content without sources fails verifiability Wikipedia content policy which the article fails notability guidelines and not merit for a mainspace in Wikipedia. Lastly, please note that "All content must be verifiable. The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and it is satisfied by providing an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the contribution - please see WP:PROVEIT. If a user create a page in Wikipedia without source irregardless they are new or has editing Wikipedia for some years, then they should not be aware or careless to do the necessary to provide source and moving the articles to draft space so they may find the sources to support the content claimed is a right call. Thank you and Happy New Year. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 15:10, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
Again, you and I are on the same page regarding the need for sources and citations. The problem lies elsewhere: 1) new users should be told about the issues with their articles before said articles are moved to draftspace, and they should be given at least 24 hours to solve the problem before the articles are moved; 2) new users in this situation should receive a personalised message addressing their specific case and offering to provide help and answers, not an obvious boilerplate text that in no way makes them feel like they and their contributions are being valued; and 3) a few days after a new article is moved to draftspace, the reviewer who made the move should go back and make sure that the new user has not been discouraged from further editing. These are minor changes to your project's modus operandi that would make it much friendlier to new users while still ensuring high quality standards. Cheers.--Leptictidium (mt) 15:53, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
Leptictidium I am happy to know that we are on the same page when it comes to sourced content where citation as the means to satisfy WP:V and WP:PROVEIT guidelines. My takes on your later points would be somewhat different. (1) Article without sources should be moved to draft as for the very notion of it fails W:N, WP:V and content policy since after all Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. We have about 6 million articles in English Wikipedia and about 1/6 - 1/5 are in poor conditions and since you have been a Wikipedia editor for more than a decade you would have witnessed many unsourced articles remain in Wikipedia mainspace for many years and no editors are interested enough to help to provide sources or to AfD them. The editor should learn how to provide source which is the basic knowledge/requirement when an editor intend to write an article in Wikipedia.(2) The "move to draft" template message on the creator talk page is very friendly and informative and the creator could always send me a message for assistance or for clarification. When the creator submit the draft, a AfC reviewer would review the draft and sometimes a personal comment will be placed on the draft if the draft is declined. In addition, editor could go to AfC Help desk to seek assistance. (3) To check on what the editors edit made on the last few days daily is a admirable, proactive deed but it is a little difficult for I review AfC and NPP pages, serve as a trainer for WP:NPRSCHOOL and WP:CVUA and on average I make 150 edits per day. I have more than 10K pages on my watchlist and spend about 45 mins everyday just to check new edits made on my watchlist alone before I start doing my routine work in Wikipedia. However, I am happy to help and I would reply messages on my or their talk pages if they need any assistance or queries. (4) I dont have a "modus operadi" project (I am not sure what you meant), do provide link for me to comment. Lastly, I do commend you for your efforts on BITE for writing to me. Have great day Leptictidium. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 05:10, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
Whatever happened to this article? It appears the draft of this article has been moved and no progress has been made in the last two weeks since I last inquired. If you do not want to or cannot write the article, I will be glad to do so.Michael E Nolan (talk) 18:04, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
Michael E Nolan Greetings. The article is moved to draft page because the content is not supported by sources. All articles' content in Wikipedia mains pace need to support by independent reliable sources for verification to meet the notability guidelines - pls see WP:42. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 12:44, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
Belgian Railways Class 52
References have been added as requested. Now please move the article back where it belongs. Jan olieslagers (talk) 05:10, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
Jan olieslagers Greetings. Thank you for the sources. However, could you please provide inline citation so we could not which sentence/section is supported by which source. You can use "horizontal format" of Template:Cite Web for web source or you enable Wikipedia:VisualEditor and just copy and past the URL on the "URL field" and the rest of the needed fields will be automatically filled for you. Once you have done that, then pls pop back and I will review and move the page for you. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 12:51, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
Sorry, I feel I've done enough. There are plenty of articles in much poorer shape than this one, it really merits being published. If you will not put it back in user space, modified or not, then it can remain as a draft forever, or be entirely removed, for all I care. You have done more than enough to discourage me, in spite of all my efforts; and you come across as someone who will always find an explanation to act negatively, and always have another explanation for not acting positively. So be it, have it your own way. Jan olieslagers (talk) 14:18, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
Jan olieslagers Sorry I didnt mean to discourage you for reviewer would find difficult to read the sources and try to find out which bit of the content go with which source especially if the source is the book and not page is provided. You have been editing Wikipedia for a long time and it should be pretty easy and would take only a few minutes just about the same amount of time you reply to my message above. thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 14:26, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
No further comments from me. Take it or leave it. Jan olieslagers (talk) 14:40, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
2020 in television
Hello, I noticed that you decided to convert 2020 in television into a draft, with your reasoning being that the page was under-sourced. The article is a set index page, which lists a set of items of a specific type that also share the same name. The "XXXX in television" articles list television event articles listed by country (e.g 2020 in American television). These articles list the events related in television for that particular country with the standard citations and reliable sources. I added what country each article covers for clarification and removed red yet-to-be created articles. Sources on this page are not required, as they are already given by said articles listed. HurricaneGeek2002talk 16:11, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
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Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Changes later this week
When trying to move a page, if the target title already exists then a warning message is shown. The warning message will now include a link to the target title. [1]
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 7 January. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 8 January. It will be on all wikis from 9 January (calendar).
I heard you are a trainer can I become a student in the new Page Review training program JaneciaTaylor (talk) 20:08, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
JaneciaTaylor, Greetings. Please do note that NPP School program does require a lot of reading and assignments. The program is comprised of 3 parts with 10 assignments and a final exam. NPP School students usually take 2 months to complete the course. Please read the NPP School syllabus and pop back here for enrollment if you are still interested. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 04:33, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
JaneciaTaylor, Good day, please take up the WP:Wikipedia Adventure program, fundamental Wikipedia guidance and info) which will only take up about 2 hours of your time to complete. Please make sure you enable WP:Twinkle and know how to provide hist diff - see here Wikipedia:Simplest diff guide. I have set up the program for you and pls bookmark the page in your computer. Ping me once you have done the assignment and would like to get it. Cheers. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 03:46, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
JaneciaTaylor, First of all, you need to add an additional colon " : " from the previous message on the same message trade before you start your message for this is the communication protocal in Wikipedia - pls see Help:Wikitext. Secondly, keep all communication regarding the program/assignments in the program sub page (at the bottom of every assignment). I have replied and add further requirements needed from you. Please read them carefully. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 03:33, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
/* Unisys and LZW patent enforcement */ Change Dutch to German
Why is my change to the referenced patent as German instead of Dutch classified as a disruptive edit? The country code DE stands for Germany (Deutschland), the patent referenceCite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page). contains DE, the referenced Google Patents page[1] mentions Germany, the patent was (also) published in German, and the inventor seems to hail[2] from Bonn, a German city, where he also works or worked for the Bonn University[3]. All these taken together is what prompted me to change the country reference. Eldepe (talk) 14:27, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
Tabernacle creates a tabular view of a set of data items from a SPARQL query, PagePile list, or manual list of items. You can select which languages and properties to display. The tool lets you drag-and-drop statements from one item to another, and manually add or edit statements without leaving the page. Tabernacle is great for harmonizing a set of related items or identifying items that need their labels and descriptions translated.
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
You can no longer read Wikimedia wikis if your browser use very old TLS. This is because it is a security problem for everyone. It can lead to downgrade attacks. Since 9 December you just see a warning. Soon the browser will not connect to the wikis at all. Most are users on Android systems older than 4.4. You can read the browser recommendations. [2]
Wikis can protect pages so that only some users can edit them. The standard protection levels are Require autoconfirmed or confirmed access and Require administrator access. If your wiki use more protection levels the technical name might be renamed for standardisation. This doesn't affect what users see. [4]
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 14 January. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 15 January. It will be on all wikis from 16 January (calendar).
Future changes
Deepcat and Catgraph will stop working. This will happen at the end of January. This is because you can now use the normal search function instead. [5]
You can use <ref follow="…"> to merge footnotes that follow each other. It is meant to be used for digitised books on Wikisource. If the order of the footnotes is wrong no error was shown but the bad <ref> was shown outside the <references /> list. This will change and you will see an error message instead. [6]
Hello, Cassiopeia. You have new messages at [[User talk:Target Barsado#Wikipedia:Counter-Vandalism Unit|Target Barsado's talk page]]. Message added 16:17, 20 January 2020 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.
@Target Barsado and Interstellarity:, Target Barsado, Good day. When you ask for enrollment, make sure you only ask from one trainer and if the trainer could not train you in any reason, they usually will refer you to another available trainer. I will let Interstellarity to handle your request here.
Interstellarity, I am still waiting for you answer on AfC sub page (Draft:Gil Z. Hochberg- contrary to Wikipedia purpose). Pls reply me on the AfC sub page. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 02:30, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
@CASSIOPEIA and Interstellarity:, Good day , to you both. I want to learn how to contribute and so I replied to you both, because you two are giving training and slot were limited so. I'm sorry if I did wrong something. I respect that work are important and I should be patience and wait until approaching other. Thanks Target Barsado (talk) 02:39, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
@Target Barsado: No, you didnt do anything wrong. I just inform you the normal way we do things here. By the way if you have not read Help:Wikitext pls do as it would help your editing in Wikipedia. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 02:48, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
@CASSIOPEIA: I have gone through it. But wouldn't mind reading once again. And as I'm gonna learn either from you or @Interstellarity:, So I would to inform I did a mistake regarding copyright in the article Jamtara - Sabka Number Ayega and the error was removed, but I never intended to do so. So could you please check the article Delhi Crime, as I tried to rectify a mistake. Thanks Target Barsado (talk) 03:05, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
Wikidata weekly summary #399
Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
Upcoming: next Wikidata office hour, January 22nd, at 17:00 UTC (18:00 UTC+1), on the Wikidata Telegram channel. Topics: presenting the roadmap for 2020 and some news from the development team
Tool of the week
The Wikidata Card Game Generator generates printable cards based on a topic (eg chemical elements) and some statements of the item.
Other Noteworthy Stuff
New gadget added to Preferences, "Show UnpatrolledEdits" (see discussion): it shows if the last edit to the item has not been patrolled
Pywikibot deprecates Python 2 support. Any scripts running via Python 2 should be migrated soon, see more at [7]
The next Weekly Summary (January 27) will be the issue #400. Please help us collecting interesting Wikidata-related facts around the number 400!
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Changes later this week
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 21 January. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 22 January. It will be on all wikis from 23 January (calendar).
Future changes
There is a new suggestion for what to show when someone edits without registering an account. This is to give unregistered editors better privacy and make some anti-vandalism work go faster. You can give feedback.
Pywikibot is a Python library to automate work on wikis. It will no longer support Python 2. Use the python2 tag if you need to continue running Python 2 scripts. The Pywikibot team strongly recommends to migrate to Python 3. You can get help to do so. [8]
The weekly MediaWiki branch cut will soon become automated. The timing for this cut may change. You can discuss in Phabricator if this affects you. [9]
You can read about coming technical events and mentoring interns.
Dawn Smith Jordan article / request for resubmission
Hi, I have continued to add to the article since it first was rejected but I don't know how to get it reconsidered. I've also posted to another location that popped up while I was researching how to get it resubmitted and I posted a question there which does not appear in my history or alerts, so I don't know how to get back to that post. The stated reason for rejection within the article was "not sufficiently notable" yet there is another Miss South Carolina who also was a runner-up to Miss America (Ali Rogers) who had no other items cited which was approved. I have included numerous other details on Jordan's proposed page which include numerous references outside of her own page, which I cannot list as I understand it. So, I've gone well beyond what Ali Rogers has on her page and I don't understand why this is not enough. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dlee1964 (talk • contribs) 00:08, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
Dlee1964 Good day. You could place {{subst:submit}} on top of the draft page. However, I dont think the subject is notable to have Wikipedia page. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 02:45, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
How to get permissions to Wiki for Photos to add to page...I find editing these pages very frustrating with all the rules...even when you get permission for use of photos
I'm trying to upload photos to a page, the page I've made has been helped if you want to call it that.
I have photos from the Daughter of the person the page is for, but have had the photos taken down. She has the physical photos and is the holder of these images of the deceased person who is an important person in the growers community. It's only right this person have a rightful spot on this page.
How do I get the photos that belong to the daughter of a deceased person on a Wiki Page?????
Why is this so hard? Why can't a person get permissions from the family and then have them posted?
What works? What is the work around to get this happening? I'm not an academic and this frustrates me to no end! All these bright and smart ppl adding to this but it's been made unreachable to someone like myself that is trying to make a page.
It's certainly making my monthly contribution something I question and if I should be a loyal contributor to a site that is made for elitists that control it?
You've made it so unreachable, this shouldn't be this hard to contribute! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michael212427 (talk • contribs) 19:07, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
Michael212427 Good day to you and thank you for your question. I understand you frustration and I was once a new editor. But, fear no more as there are plenty of editors would help you on your journey in Wikipedia. It is a steep and long learning curve for all us in the beginning but slowly and surely you will be familiar with the Wikipedia guidelines and how to edit Wikipedia page. The basic requirement for an image to be uploaded to Wikipedia is that the copyright holder need to agree to the Wikipedia Terms of Use that the copyright holder irrevocably agrees to release the image under the CC BY-SA 3.0 License and the GFDL which means anyone in the world (not on in Wikipedia only) can use the image for whatever purposes of their choosing. The point we need the irrevocably consent is because violate the copyright law will entail legal implications.
Once it is done, ask the copyright holder to send you the URL where the image is located or send you the file name and you can search it at here at the right top corner.
In addition - For any editing questions, you can go to WP:Teahouse, a friendly Wikipedia sites where by many friendly Teahouse hosts will help to answer your questions. For technical questions, you can go to Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) where all the technical editor will help and guidelines to solve technical questions. For article for creation you can go to Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk.
Hope the above is helpful and let me know if anything else I could help you. Cheers. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 02:56, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
Welcome to the 400th Weekly Summary! Here are some interesting Wikidata facts or queries collected by the community and related to the number 400:
Item #400 is Jenna Jameson; Property #400 is platform (software), and Lexeme #400 is "vierhonderd" - Dutch for "four hundred". The QID for the natural number 400 is Q1535396. The QID for the year 400 is Q25621.
The Greek philosopher Hypatia, one of the first women scientists, became head of the Neo-Platonist school at Alexandria, in 400 AD. We include her here in tribute to those working to reduce Wikidata's gender gap.
Duplicate Item copies the current item (without descriptions or sitelinks) to a new item. This tool is useful for splitting items and for making sets of similar items. Recommended for experienced users.
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Problems
Some mobile diffs have problems. A couple of buttons are not shown. Structured data diffs on Commons are confusing. The developers are working on fixing it. [11][12]
Administrators on wikis that use Structured Discussions can't move discussion pages. This is a bug. The developers are working on fixing it. [13]
Changes later this week
There is no new MediaWiki version this week.
Future changes
There is JavaScript code on Special:Undelete for administrators that makes it possible to automatically select multiple checkboxes by holding the "Shift" key and clicking. This code is also loaded by accident on other special pages and on articles. This makes pages slower to load. This will be fixed. If you know of other special pages where this is useful please tell the developers at phab:T232688.
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 7 January. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 8 January. It will be on all wikis from 9 January (calendar).
Wikis can protect pages so that only some users can edit them. The standard protection levels are Require autoconfirmed or confirmed access and Require administrator access. If your wiki use more protection levels the technical name might be renamed for standardisation. This doesn't affect what users see. [4]
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