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Did you know question[edit]
Hello! Your submission of Tayutama: Kiss on my Deity at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Art LaPella (talk) 00:28, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Sorry bout this[edit]
Yeah, I know this isn't Wiki related, but I don't really know how to reply to that message you left me on IRC, so I'm here now. I think that's a wonderful idea, though I'm a little concerned about the language barrier. I think assuming they know English (or well enough) is presumptuous of us, unless of course you were to translate all the English into Japanese. In any case, I believe writing the letter in Japanese would be best. Next, I'm also concerned about the culture barrier. Would Key really take a notice at something like this from overseas fans and not domestic fans? Granted, even Ryukishi07 said he was surprised at the overseas following of Higurashi and Umineko, but I doubt that's the same for Key, especially since they know some of the anime based on their games have been licensed in English. However, if the messages from the overseas community makes it clear that it's not only their adaptations, but the games themselves that have gained popularity (especially Planetarian, Clannad and Kanon which all have complete or near-complete translations [and then there's One too]) then I think that would make more sense, though I'm unsure how Key would feel about the unofficial translations. Even if we assume they read they message, should we also expect a reply of some sort? Besides all that, how were you planning on sending the letter? Just emailing it via Key's website? That all said, I do wonder what they would think upon receiving the letter. And your message on IRC seemed to be cut off right after you mentioned starting a 2chan/4chan style board.--十八 08:05, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
- For the language, it will most likely be first written in English, perhaps, and then be translated into Japanese (with some help here and there hopefully). Though, I am not really sure whether they will take notice in the letter if we just send it through email. Hopefully sending the letter through actual mail will gain their attention. Whether if they think that it's their games that's been acknowledged is another thing. Most of us probably learned about Key's works through their anime adaptations, but I think what's important is how the impression left us to continue to explore the original visual novels and their other works (such as Tomoyo After and Little Busters! for the ones not yet translated if I am not mistaken). I think mentioning unofficial translations (if it ever comes up) is not ideal, but neccessary. It's been done, and no one can do much about it, but that's what lead some of us to explore their works. I wouldn't expect them to give a reply, instead I just want to congratulate them and let them know how their works have influenced us.
- Like I said before it cuts off apparently, I am thinking of gathering messages through a 2chan/4chan style board, where people can also submit fan art (maybe) to be included in the letter, and also perhaps through a bot on IRC channels (which I have registered #kanon10th and #key10th for the purpose). I guess we will then stop taking messages on a certain date, in order to ensure it getting over to their office on time, and start compiling a letter that includes the messages and explain how their works have influenced us. I am also thinking maybe we can include something like the <ref> tags here, to specify who brought up a certain subject, and maybe also include a list of contributors to the letter. Having said all that though, I am not sure if this will really get through, given how limited my ability is to handle all that, but I do hope it will succeed in telling them how much we appreciate them. Oh, and uhh, it's /msg MemoServ SEND {nick | channel} memo-text to send an memo on IRC, though you can also send PMs to me by typing /query (whatever my nickname is at the time). -- クラウド６６８ 23:03, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
- Snail mail, huh? That definitely would get their attention, though how do you know their address? And how thick were you thinking this letter was going to be, with all the messages and possibly illustrations now added in, it would end up arriving in a thick envelope, which might also serve to grasp their attention, wondering why some huge international envelope made it their way. I can just see it now, Yūto Tonokawa blogging about it, taking pictures of the envelope and contents and posting it on the company blog. He always puts strange stuff like that on it, if you've been reading their blog like I have. And then wouldn't it be interesting if something was said about it on Key Radio (like that'll ever happen)? Well, when you get this all together, send me another note, or you could email me using the "e-mail this user" link.--十八 23:32, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
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Re: Getchu 2008 awards[edit]
No I didn't know about it; a link isn't even available at their ranking section like the others are. And it doesn't even look to be a week old since the release of the results, given blogs reporting on it. And what's even more surprising is that Fortune Arterial still doesn't have an anime adaptation, though I'm sure there will be one come this or next year. Even with the additional adult elements in Ecstasy, I'm not surprised, though, to see another work beat it out. Now, if Key had first released LB! as Ecstasy and not releasing the original, all-ages version, then this poll would probably have turned out differently. I mean, LB! won most of the awards from the 2007 ranking, and it wasn't even an eroge.--十八 23:10, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
- Eh, I guess I don't read enough Japanese blogs (outside of Kagikko Blog, one anime blog and two general gaming blogs) to know about that. I knew that Fortune Arterial is popular, and is pretty sure there will eventually be an anime adaptation too, but I just didn't know it's that popular to make it exceed Ecstasy (I was expecting G Senjō no Mao would, though). But, to be honest, I was one of the people who voted that I wouldn't like an eroge version of Little Busters! back when there's a poll on the Kagikko Blog.
- Also, uhh, I've kind of given up on scanning the pamphlet with my own scanner at home because it's kind of bulged up around the glass (more so than this), and it's kind of tiresome to scan a page in four parts and combining them to get satisfactory results. So, I guess I will see if I can get permission to use some larger ones in libraries. -- クラウド６６８ 00:47, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
- That's fine; I was actually concerned it'd be too much of a hassle, so anyway to make it easier is great. BTW, I recently came across the Key visual novels good topic, and was astonished to see someone had uploaded the Key logo into it, under the rationale that the logo is composed of typefaces which carry no copyright, but the reason why I never did this originally was because I thought the logo was unique enough to constitute copyright. I mean, I didn't think that the logo could be compared to the logos of say Google or Microsoft, since those really are just normal typefaces, but the Key logo is definitely not, considering the disproportionate nature of the letters (specifically, the strange way in which the K is depicted, and the fact that there's that red swoosh underneath the K and E). I was wondering what you thought about this, since it's been up for about three weeks now and no one's said anything to challenge it.--十八 05:25, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
- I was thinking that you knew about that the whole time. I didn't say anything about it because I kind of hate these sorts of politics, but in my opinion, the logo is definitely original and unique enough to qualify for copyright. I guess if it doesn't, we should start taking out copyright tags from images like the DVD logo, too. Also, Tech Gian has apparently also ran a poll, and announced the results in the latest issue, which they are nice enough to have uploaded the top 10 places as an image. -- クラウド６６８ 09:51, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
- Strange how Ecstasy came out first this time...But besides that, the DVD logo example is exactly what I was talking about. It makes no sense to make the distinction between what does and what does not constitute copyright unless the entire logo is in fact fully a recognized typeface, or otherwise is a signature which cannot be duplicated but still carries only characters no one has copyright to. Skimming around, I was astonished to find Dell's logo has the same tags as the current Key logo, but not the HP logo. Further, the K-Mart logo doesn't, but the Target and Walmart logos do. Going over to WP:LOGO I find: The second case is a logo that is simply a sequence of letters or written words: characters from a typeface are uncopyrightable in the U.S., so logos that consist purely of characters from a typeface are also uncopyrightable. Note a logo can still be protected by trademark law, even if it is not subject to copyright. I would be willing to make the argument that because of this, the Key logo is unable to be free from copyright concerns. Though what concerns me even more is the fact that no one's said anything in three weeks time, and besides that, I'm only just finding out about it now (I really should have kept the topic on my watchlist...). Considering the irregularity of how the guideline at WP:LOGO is enforced, I would also bet that there would be users on both sides, saying a given logo doesn't and does fall under copyright; the person that edited the Key logo just happened to be from the former camp. And besides all that, remember that mock logo I made before with just a trace of the K? That got removed because it was deemed to be a derivative work and thus unusable. Wouldn't it be strange how we couldn't use something like that, but the actual logo gets through with no problems? Sometimes Wikipedia has some strange loopholes that tend to bend around the system in ways I can't wrap my head around.--十八 10:32, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
- It really is quite funny how that Dell's logo doesn't qualify for copyright, given that it doesn't consist purely of characters from a typeface, while Kmart dpes. The main problem here is that the a certain guideline/policy (don't remember which) says that logos with simple geometric shapes and typefaces does not qualify for copyright, but it is unclear what is simple and what's not. Key's logo however, based on my completely biased opinion, is definitely not that simple. -- クラウド６６８ 10:53, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
- Strange how Ecstasy came out first this time...But besides that, the DVD logo example is exactly what I was talking about. It makes no sense to make the distinction between what does and what does not constitute copyright unless the entire logo is in fact fully a recognized typeface, or otherwise is a signature which cannot be duplicated but still carries only characters no one has copyright to. Skimming around, I was astonished to find Dell's logo has the same tags as the current Key logo, but not the HP logo. Further, the K-Mart logo doesn't, but the Target and Walmart logos do. Going over to WP:LOGO I find: The second case is a logo that is simply a sequence of letters or written words: characters from a typeface are uncopyrightable in the U.S., so logos that consist purely of characters from a typeface are also uncopyrightable. Note a logo can still be protected by trademark law, even if it is not subject to copyright. I would be willing to make the argument that because of this, the Key logo is unable to be free from copyright concerns. Though what concerns me even more is the fact that no one's said anything in three weeks time, and besides that, I'm only just finding out about it now (I really should have kept the topic on my watchlist...). Considering the irregularity of how the guideline at WP:LOGO is enforced, I would also bet that there would be users on both sides, saying a given logo doesn't and does fall under copyright; the person that edited the Key logo just happened to be from the former camp. And besides all that, remember that mock logo I made before with just a trace of the K? That got removed because it was deemed to be a derivative work and thus unusable. Wouldn't it be strange how we couldn't use something like that, but the actual logo gets through with no problems? Sometimes Wikipedia has some strange loopholes that tend to bend around the system in ways I can't wrap my head around.--十八 10:32, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
- I was thinking that you knew about that the whole time. I didn't say anything about it because I kind of hate these sorts of politics, but in my opinion, the logo is definitely original and unique enough to qualify for copyright. I guess if it doesn't, we should start taking out copyright tags from images like the DVD logo, too. Also, Tech Gian has apparently also ran a poll, and announced the results in the latest issue, which they are nice enough to have uploaded the top 10 places as an image. -- クラウド６６８ 09:51, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
- That's fine; I was actually concerned it'd be too much of a hassle, so anyway to make it easier is great. BTW, I recently came across the Key visual novels good topic, and was astonished to see someone had uploaded the Key logo into it, under the rationale that the logo is composed of typefaces which carry no copyright, but the reason why I never did this originally was because I thought the logo was unique enough to constitute copyright. I mean, I didn't think that the logo could be compared to the logos of say Google or Microsoft, since those really are just normal typefaces, but the Key logo is definitely not, considering the disproportionate nature of the letters (specifically, the strange way in which the K is depicted, and the fact that there's that red swoosh underneath the K and E). I was wondering what you thought about this, since it's been up for about three weeks now and no one's said anything to challenge it.--十八 05:25, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
I got an idea[edit]
Recently, I entertained the idea of creating a list of the games released by Key and the several versions that Key released so as to have the comprehensive product listing of Key all in one place, a la List of Square Enix games or the like. In all, Key has released 19 versions of their games, not counting the updated versions coming out in Key 10th Memorial Box which would put the grand total at 25. An example of this can be see at my sandbox. Do you think this is a good idea?--十八 22:43, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
- I went ahead and created the article at List of Key games. I'm thinking of getting it to FL.--十八 03:44, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
- Hmm, I guess it's a nice idea, could help the curious to get to know more about the different releases of the visual novels. --クラウド６６８ 04:56, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
- I've now sent it to FLC if you're interested in commenting; BTW, this'd be the first list of games by company to get to FL if it succeeds, and on a related note, Key (company) was the first video game company GA (there are no FAs to boot) and Key Sounds Label was the first record label GA (again, there are no FAs). Oh, and you wouldn't happen to have all the game cases lying around to provide a group, free-use image of the product listing? :P --十八 06:18, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
- It's pretty nice that you've gotten Key articles to be the first for everything, lol. Wonder if one day I will be able to get something to that status (though I am probably editing in too lowof a level now to ever do so. Anyways, it's not really part of the FL criteria, but you would probably want some reliable, third-party sources, but I couldn't find any (from AkibaOS, New-Akiba, and the like). As for the the picture, uhh, I am not that rich yet (to have all of the game cases). Though I probably will in another ten or twenty years. I'd try asking Anminmakura who runs the Kagikko Blog, if he would be interested in taking one and uploading it (considering he has those pre-KSLA albums, he should probably have all of the releases too). --クラウド６６８ 06:45, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
- I've now sent it to FLC if you're interested in commenting; BTW, this'd be the first list of games by company to get to FL if it succeeds, and on a related note, Key (company) was the first video game company GA (there are no FAs to boot) and Key Sounds Label was the first record label GA (again, there are no FAs). Oh, and you wouldn't happen to have all the game cases lying around to provide a group, free-use image of the product listing? :P --十八 06:18, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
- Hmm, I guess it's a nice idea, could help the curious to get to know more about the different releases of the visual novels. --クラウド６６８ 04:56, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
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Time Leap (Xbox 360)[edit]
Hi, I was editing the list of xbox 360 games List of Xbox 360 games and noticed time leap wasn't there. After adding the link, I discovered your page by chance and decide to link thereUser:Cloud668/draft/Time-Leap. I've also took the liberty to update your stock cover with the xbox 360 cover. Hope it's fine with you. Banej (talk) 08:26, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
- Hi, wow, that took me by surprise. I would never have thought that someone would know that page exists. I was going to keep the article under my userspace and expand it later (after ditching it for a few months), but since you have linked to it, I suppose I should move it to the mainspace and expand it there. I should also note that per WP:USERSPACE#Images on user pages, copyrighted images should not be used in userspace (which it was, before I moved it). As well, I guess I will also replace the 360 version's cover with the PC version's cover, as it is the original version (though I will have to agree that the 360 version is superior than the PC version). Still, thanks for your help and your interest in Time Leap :). -- クラウド６６８ 22:18, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
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