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Image The image that is used, along with all Randolph Street Gallery archive materials, were donated to the School of the Art Institute of Chicago (SAIC) in 1998. Doro Boehme, director of the special collections gave me, the Webmaster at SAIC (webmaster@saic.edu) permission to use the image.

RSG Archive sites, see: http://www.saic.edu/degrees_resources/libraries/flaxman/index.html#special_collection/SLC_5539 and http://www.artic.edu/webspaces/rsga/

Paragraphs Doro Boehme is rewriting these, though she is the original writer of the text on the School of the Art Institute of Chicago's web text (that she gave to me). She has a copy of the notes you mentioned about neutral point of view and overall style, and I will be re-submitting new copy to this section.

Citations Temporarily deleting these while RSG Archive staff can do some research.

Artists This original list has very famous artists, but they don't have Wiki articles. Those that do are really not that important It is best to delete all of the artists.

I have been trying to set this Randolph Street Gallery page up so that we can create a second wiki page, Randolph Street Gallery Archive for the SAIC archive.

Is it possible for others -- the Archive staff -- to work on it? How do I go about that?

Cynde

Cshauper (talk) 20:50, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

I have a copy of the Receipt of Donation from the Office of Development in regards to the Randolph Street Gallery archive. I'm not sure how to attach the document, but here is what Doro Boehme gave to me:

From Doro:

Cynde, here is the letter attached. Drafted with the museum's institutional lawyers it clearly indicates that we are allowed to use the RSG archives for any type of educational purposes, at the very least. This would include using the logo (which isn't even really a logo but the acronym of the gallery in the font they used most on their letterheads) for the purposes of this Wikipedia entry or other promotional needs. I can also forward you a copy of the letter from the Development office, soliciting that very donation agreement.

Best, Doro

--begin letter--

The School of the Art Institute of Chicago 37 South Wabash Avenue, Chicago, IL 60603-3103

Recieved by: Rachel Weiss, Chair Arts Administration

RECEIPT OF DONNATION

11/31/98

Donors Name:

Randolph Street Gallery

Donor's Mailing Address:

c/o Hamza Walker The Renaissance Society University of Chicago 5811 South Ellis Chicago, IL 60637

Description of Donation:

The Randolph Street Gallery archive

I offer to the School of the Art Institute of Chicago, as a gift, the materials described above. I assign physical and literary rights, unless covered by prior copyright restrictions, to the School of the Art Institute of Chicago. The gift is made without limiting conditions or restrictions... it may be exhibited, stored, loaned, etc. in the sole discretion opf the School of the Art Institute of Chicago.

Donor's Signature: Hamza Walker Printed Name: Hamza Walker, President, Randolph Street Gallery

--end leter--

Please let me know if you need anything further.

Cynde

User:Cshauper/Randolph Street Gallery (RSG) article

Hi, following my response on the Help Desk (HD), I thought I'd give you some feedback on the above draft.

Firstly, as mentioned on the HD, I suggest that you move it to User:Cshauper/Randolph Street Gallery. To do this, go to the page, click on move at the top of the page, and then enter User:Cshauper/Randolph Street Gallery as the new name. Give the reason as something like "Giving article name without abbreviation". If/when the article is moved to main article space, an entry can be added to the disambiguation page at RSG giving a link to Randolph Street Gallery.

Secondly, the image on the article may be deleted. Although the description says that permission has been received to use it, we need more than just someone's say-so, for legal reasons. Although I am not saying that it is the case here, it would be quite possible for anyone to claim to have permission. No one at Wikipedia will contact the person named on the description. To ensure that the image is kept, notification is needed from the copyright owner. See Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials which explains how to get this permission (specifically in the section titled Granting us permission to copy material already online).

Now for some thoughts about the content of the draft article:

• Wikilinks: One of the big advantages of Wikipedia is the ability to link from one article to another. To do this, just enclose the article name in square brackets like [[This]] which would give This. Alternatively, you might want another phrase to be used on the page, but link to an article. In this case you do what we call 'piping', using the | symbol like [[This|this example]] which would link the words 'this example' to the article 'This': this example.

Your draft article needs to be wikilinked, so that suitable links are made (without too many!) For example, this current sentence would be ridiculous if linked like this! The list of artists (for other comments see below) is an obvious candidate for linking the artists to their pages on Wikipedia

• Lead section - the opening paragraph: this is too long! See Wikipedia:Lead section for guidelines about this
• Language used - some of the language used is not from a neutral point of view. Some examples:

1. "a vital local force"
2. "RSG fulfilled its role as cultural laboratory for..."

• Citations: 80 article citations is impressive. However, a list of articles in itself is insufficient! To be useable, they should be used 'in-line'. In other words (to quote from Wikipedia:Citing_sources#Inline_citations) "This shows which specific part of the article a citation is being applied to." I've given a brief reference to references below. As example, if I had a sentence "Smith was 25 when he started his first company." and the information was in the magazine "Business Weekly", Issue 217 - December 1999, page 12 ("Smith finally makes it!", written by John E. Beegud), then I would code that up like this:

Smith was 25 when he started his first company.<ref>''Smith finally makes it!'',John E. Beegud, (Business Weekly, December 1999 (issue 217), p.12)</ref>

Then just make sure that at the end of the article (and you only need this once), you have a section called "References" with the reference list (it'll automatically list all the <ref> statements):

== References ==

{{reflist}}

• Artists associated with RSG - I would only keep the ones for which Wikipedia has an article. I will actually find the ones which meet this criteria. At the moment, maybe a fifth of them do (see User:Phantomsteve/test-bed2 where I am working on it - the redlinks mean no article) - also, the article in question if it exists would need to mention RSG
• Overall style: This doesn't "look" right. See The Manual of Style for guidelines.

A good start, though. Just one question - this isn't copied word for word (or chunks) from anywhere is it?

Regards, -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 22:06, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

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Reference about references

If you find a book, magazine, newspaper article, etc that you want to use as a reference, just type one of the following after the information in the article which the reference is about:

• Newspaper/Magazine article:

<ref>''Title of article'',author of article, (Title of newspaper/magazine, date of article, page(s), column(s))</ref>

• Book:

<ref>''Title of book'', author of book, (publisher, date of publication, page(s))</ref>

• Website:

<ref>[http://web-page-address ''Title of webpage''], author of page, date of page's creation, website name</ref>

For example:

• John Smith was appointed by the UN as an ambassador to Mars in June 1986.<ref>''An article in a well-known newspaper'', John E. Beegood, (The New York Times, 1 August 1987, page 6 col 2)</ref>
• John Smith is regarded as a world expert on creating references.<ref>''How do I create references?'', Met-al Icca, (Heinemann Publishing, 1964, pp. 16-17)</ref>
• While a known as a world-respected physicist, Smith is also a well-known skier who has participated in the Olympic Games representing Patagonia.<ref>[http://www.a-reputable-website.org/a_useful_page.html ''How to Create Useful References''], PhantomSteve, 12 March 1999, a-reputable-website.org</ref>

Then at the bottom of the page, make sure you have the following two lines:

==References==
<references/> -or- {{reflist}}

This would generate (for the above examples):

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• John Smith was apointed by the UN as an ambassador to Mars in June 1986.^[1]
• John Smith is regarded as a world expert on creating references.^[2]
• While a known as a world-respected physicist, Smith is also a well-known skier who has participated in the Olympic Games representing Patagonaia.^[3]

References

1. ^ An article in a well-known newspaper, John E. Beegood, (The New York Times, 1 August 1987, page 6, col 2)
2. ^ How do I create references?, Met-al Icca, (Heinemann Publishing, 1964, pp. 16-17)
3. ^ How to Create Useful References, PhantomSteve, 12 March 1999, a-reputable-website.org

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With basic references like this in place, more experienced editors can tidy them up! The hard bit can be finding references!

Please make sure you read the guideline Reliable Sources which details the kind of sources Wikipedia prefers to use.

If you have any questions, just ask me! Regards, -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 22:06, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Update re: RSG

Having spent some time looking for articles about the artists, even the ones which appeared to have an article either:

1. were about someone entirely different
2. did not mention "RSG", "R.S.G.", "R. S. G.", "R S G" or "Randolph Street Gallery"

In fact, a search of Wikipedia in its entirety only found the following mentions of "Randolph Street Gallery":

Article	Text	References used in article for text
Alternative exhibition space	Randolph Street Gallery (RSG) was an artists' run gallery space in Chicago beginning in 1979.	None
Josiah McElheny - Group Exhibitions	1996 - "What’s Love Got to Do With It?" Randolph Street Gallery, Chicago, Illinois	None
Fausto Fernós - Career	In Chicago in the spring of 1998 he started the "Feast of Fools" with the Chicago Radical Faeries as a fundraiser for the struggling venue Randolph Street Gallery.	None
Feast of Fun - History	By April 2001, Fernós and Felion expanded their show at the Randolph Street Gallery to be a "performance art cabaret."	Newell, Barrett. (March 30, 2009) edgechicago.com Feast of Fun titillates and celebrates.

(Incidently, Fernós's Feast of Fools became Feast of Fun, so the final two are really the same act!)

And that's all the mention anywhere on Wikipedia!

I'll be honest - despite the long list of citations, I do not feel that this article is anywhere near ready for the main encyclopedia.

I would suggest:

1. remove all the artists in the "Artists" list - apart from adding Josiah McElheny, Fausto Fernós and Feast of Fun, as these are the only artists whose articles mention the RSG
2. using the articles in the list, start adding Wikipedia:Citing_sources#Inline_citations

If you want me to look at the article when you've done some more work, feel free to contact me, but I should warn you that I will not be able to look at it until Monday 2nd November - as I'm away on holiday (a friend has given me a week's use of their caravan for free, so my partner, myself and the kids are having a holiday!).

Don't despair or give up - you've done a good job on the article, but at the moment I don't feel that it is to the standard required for a Wikipedia article.

Regards, -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 23:42, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Throwing in my two cents: A number of sentences in your article, including the opening paragraph, are copied directly from the School of the Art Institute's Flaxman Library web pages. Wikipedia does not allow copyright-violating material to be used in articles; you'll need to write an article about this gallery in your own words, not just paste material you've found elsewhere. Deor (talk) 00:33, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

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