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Questions with respect to your ArbCom case request statement

Hi Jim. You are an editor with whom I agree the vast, vast majority of the time. In this case, I do not agree with you, but I trust you, so I wanted to ask you about the statement that you made at the current ArbCom case request. First, some background – I blundered my way into this train wreck by engaging in a COIN thread where I saw what looked like an obvious conflict of interest. Nobody invited me to participate – least of all Icewhiz. I did, however, read about the ArbCom case that ended Icewhiz's wiki "career".

I get it; he seems like a pernicious troll and harasser to me. Reading the material he wrote, though, was a different experience. He did, after all, catch a glaring error in Warsaw concentration camp, and he fixed it, by and large. The article is a more accurate reflection of reality today thanks, in part, to his efforts. My general take on Icewhiz is twofold: first, he deserves his ban – if he didn't deserve it when he got it, he damn well deserves it now; second, he made valuable contributions. I mean, he accrued 38,000 edits on his main account before he was blocked. They can't all be bad, on a purely probabilistic basis, if nothing else. He accrued 22,000 more on Eostrix, an account that was so productive/beneficial that it was nearly unanimously elected to adminship. I'm going to take a moment to reiterate again that I absolutely agree that he should not edit Wikipedia again. But what of the existing edits? Are they all automatically bad because of the guy who made them? I don't agree. That leads me to the substance of my disagreement with you, and to my questions.

  1. Whether or not Icewhiz is the ultimate root of the disagreement regarding editor COI with respect to articles about themselves, is that point not worth considering? Why do we have to disregard (what I think is) common sense because a banned user beat us to the punch years and years ago? More specifically, even if recognizing this COI suits Icewhiz's somewhat masturbatory purposes, why shouldn't we do what's right? I am postulating here that there is a COI, based on Nableezy's closure and on the fact that ArbCom has made it clear that they have no desire to address this specific application of WP:COI.
  2. Setting aside for a moment the prospect that the source was unduly influenced by Icewhiz directly or was just plain wrong, shouldn't discussion of editor COIs be free of bludgeoning the same redundant point about potential links to a banned user? Are we to expect weaponization of sockpuppet accusations to become the norm in discussions where a banned user has previously participated? What is the actual impact of this socking, in your experience? In mine—a sock or two gets caught and their comment(s) get(s) struck by another user; I see it on deletion discussions perennially. What is the benefit of ramming through this point in a discussion 10-40 times each per interested user, and why should we tolerate that to any degree?
  3. I indulge, I admit, perhaps a bit too often in drama boards, more often reading than commenting. My characterization of the community's attitude is that we seldom condone misbehavior, even when there is a valid reason for frustration on the part of those charged with misconduct. Could you help me understand your perspective regarding harassment of users and subsequent lashing out? Do you feel that we should give broader leeway to someone who hypothetically has become embittered or vitriolic due to past abuse?
  4. Lastly, and to cement some of the points I discussed above, why should we not simply ignore any future Icewhiz involvement in disputes and act like he's not there? I would suppose he will get bored and leave. This is the crux of my disagreement with your statement: you feel – and I beg you to correct me if I'm wrong – that the real issue is Icewhiz, while I feel that the real issue is that the toxic environment left in his wake has festered into a tar baby of a topic area that allows, through deliberate neglect and averted gazes, severe abuses of neutrality and original research to flourish. Would you please clarify your point of view?

In closing, thank you in advance for your patience. This turned into half a rant and half a sincere request for advice and guidance. As one final point that I couldn't squeeze into the above rigamarole naturally: I don't even consider Haaretz that reliable of a source. It's certainly not on the same level as the New York Times. I do, however, think that editors mentioned in sources must, on the rare occasions when that happens, stay out of discussions concerning them. Thanks again, Jim, and I hope you read this with my sincerity and good will in mind. AlexEng(TALK) 07:31, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, AlexEng. I did not discuss whether the contributions of LTAs should be kept or reverted, so I an not sure why you brought that up. Much of what you say seems to be a reiteration of WP:DENY, or the revert-block-ignore pattern that is an everyday part of the work of administrators. That approach works well with the routine "69420UrMomIsGay" type of trolls but I think that you are misunderstanding or underestimating the perniciousness and danger of the obsessive type of behavior displayed by Icewhiz and other LTAs. The flawed Warsaw concentration camp article was cleaned up promptly when the problem was uncovered and neither of the two editors that Icewhiz targeted tried to impede that cleanup. You state that "severe abuses of neutrality and original research" flourish but which specific articles in that topic area are you referring to? As for what I think the real problem is, I do not see how it is possible to separate Icewhiz from the toxic environment left in his wake. In my view, they are inseparable. I do not think that WP:DENY works in cases of highly intelligent and obsessive LTAs who spend massive amounts of time for years threatening and harassing their opponents. I hope this clarifies my thinking, but perhaps we just fundamentally disagree about the danger that Icewhiz and people like him present to Wikipedia. Cullen328 (talk) 17:35, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Why aren't you on the Committee? :)

Your recent comment and analysis is cutting straight to the point and shows that (IMHO) you have as perfect grasp of the situation as possible - and can articulate it well. If you ever run for AC, you'll have my vote. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:53, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, Piotrus. It is nice to know that I would get at least one vote. Cullen328 (talk) 17:37, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

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Replying to Your Note

Hi Jim, thank you for your reply and for pointing out the capitalization difference in Ri Sol-ju's page. Does this mean I need to create a new edit request, since I presume the previous one I prepared, is lost? Boxermystic (talk) 04:58, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Boxermystic. Your edit request is not "lost". Instead, you left it in the wrong place. Copy it and paste it to the right place. I suggest that you include the page number of the book and the precise quotation. Cullen328 (talk) 05:03, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi Jim, you suggested that I copy and paste my edit request to the right place. How do I retrieve my edit request? Boxermystic (talk) 05:07, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Boxermystic. Your edit request is right where you left it, at the redirect talk page, Talk:Ri Sol-Ju. Cullen328 (talk) 05:25, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
Thanks so much for your help, Cullen328. I've decided not to move forward with the suggestions that editors made on my edit requests, but I appreciate the guidance you provided me. Boxermystic (talk) 02:01, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Roland Hayes

Hi I saw your edits on Roland Hayes. Can you comment on why the Bogdanoff twins as his grandsons is listed under Roland’s “career”, instead of under “personal” or “family”? Thanks! BibiBrachWriter65 (talk) 03:04, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, BibiBrachWriter65. I only looked at a small aspect of the Hayes biography but now I will look at how his "unusual" grandsons are presented. Cullen328 (talk) 03:09, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
Thank you! I read their connection in a New York Times article published since the twins death recently. BibiBrachWriter65 (talk) 03:12, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
BibiBrachWriter65, I think that the article could use a major restructuring and cleanup by someone familiar with his work. I am not the right person for that, but if you have the interest, go for it. Yes, this article came to my attention as well because of the recent deaths of his grandsons. Cullen328 (talk) 03:17, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

User:Bingbongman123 redux

Looks like another Bing bong/sidetalk block-evaded sockpuppet[1]. Actually got them to move material to the correct article (sort of). Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 02:19, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Fountains of Bryn Mawr. I never claimed to be a great sockpuppet detective, but as they say, an obvious sock is obvious and blocked. Thanks for the report. Cullen328 (talk) 02:30, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

24.78.140.235

Hi Cullen328! I hope your weekend is going well and that you're having a great day! I hope you don't mind, but I saw the block that you just applied to this IP user. Given the ridiculous number of policies and behavioral guidelines that this user violated, your block reason - it just didn't do enough justice. ;-) I went ahead and amended your block (same duration and options set) but implemented a more... in-depth reason for the block, which includes diffs and links to everything. Since they now can't edit their own user talk page or send email (which IP users can't do anyways), they can take their appeal over to UTRS if they so desire. Best of luck to them (lol), and I hope you have a great rest of your day. :-) Cheers - ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 02:00, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Oshwah. My general practice is to zero in on the most egregious misconduct when I make a block. But if you want to take the time to add more detail to my blocks, go for it. Cullen328 (talk) 02:16, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
Cullen328 - Fair enough. "To each our own" is a good saying to use here. :-) Thanks for handling that mess... You beat me to the block by only a minute or two. For the record, I would've done the same thing. Oh, and I responded to the "discussion" (if you wish to call it that) on the IP user's talk page. TL;DR: Good block. ;-) Cheers - ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 02:38, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Speedy deletion request

For the page Biswaroop Roy Chowdhury.

G10. Pages that disparage, threaten, intimidate, or harass their subject or some other entity, and serve no other purpose 103.233.122.80 (talk) 13:18, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor. I disagree with your assessment. Cullen328 (talk) 17:37, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

I saw the trolling

Don’t let them get to you. I respect the manner in which you WP:DENYied them. Celestina007 (talk) 23:29, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, Celestina007. That was fairly mild. Cullen328 (talk) 23:33, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious
Eight years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:23, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

COI Edit Updates Passing the Baton

Hi Jim,

I wanted to let you know that I’ve assumed responsibility for seeking COI Edit requests for the Fortinet page. Jasmine Lozano contacted you last November | Follow up on Teahouse Discussion on Fortinet Article to ask for help in improving the article about Fortinet. You asked that we keep posting COI Edit requests and to ping you a in few months to review the article. I just wanted to introduce myself to maintain some continuity with Jasmine’s request. Best regards, John. Johnwikiwelton (talk) 18:10, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

User:Beamerian

Thank you for blocking him, but you may want to make that block indefinite-- the account is an LTA sockpuppet. Helen(💬📖) 20:48, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

HelenDegenerate, do you know which account is the sockmaster? Cullen328 (talk) 20:57, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
According to Discospinster, who blocked one of the other socks (Monkerian), the sockmaster is CalebHughes. Helen(💬📖) 20:59, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
HelenDegenerate, Monkerian is not registered. Cullen328 (talk) 21:12, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
Facepalm Facepalm Yet another typo. The correct name of that account is Monkenian. Helen(💬📖) 21:15, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
HelenDegenerate, that's as obvious as it gets. Indeffed. Cullen328 (talk) 21:23, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

User:उत्कर्ष पांडे

Hi, Cullen, today you blocked User:उत्कर्ष पांडे permanently. By any chance were you aware that whoever this is has two other accounts User:Utkarsh Pandey and User:Utkarsh555? All three state the respective alternate account on each user page. The Pandey account of this person is still active and the 555 account was blocked for a week. Pinging User:DrKay who blocked the 555 account. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:52, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, WikiCleanerMan. I just blocked Utkarsh Pandey. Thanks for the information. Cullen328 (talk) 18:56, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
No problem. Thanks to you as well. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 19:05, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

He has a fourth account under the username User:उत्कर्ष555. Might want to block that one too. The rambling on his talk page for Utkarsh555 revealed this account. And his Utkarsh555 account is blocked for a week since January 11 by Dr.Kay. Best to keep an eye out for what he does once the block ends. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 15:45, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Request for TPD

Hi, I saw you blocked this user, however they still have talk page access and are still vandalizing. Could you revoke talk page access? Thanks.

diffs: [2][3][4][5] xRENEGADEx (talk | contribs) 05:02, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, XRENEGADEx. Thanks for the notification. I have withdrawn that editor's talk page access. Cullen328 (talk) 05:17, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
Appreciate it. Cheers! xRENEGADEx (talk | contribs) 07:14, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

your block of MySyllabus

You blocked MySyllabus for promotion and username, according to the block log you blocked them for 3 hours yet you placed the Uw-spamublock template on their talk page, was that a misclick with you meaning to block them indefinitely rather than 3 hours? Lavalizard101 (talk) 11:37, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Hi, Lavalizard101, I should think it was a misclick. Deb has already changed the block to indefinite. Bishonen | tålk 15:35, 18 January 2022 (UTC).

Semiprotected

Your page is under attack from dynamic IPs, Cullen, so I've semi'd it for 12 hours, hope you don't mind. Bishonen | tålk 15:34, 18 January 2022 (UTC).

Thank you, Bishonen. Cullen328 (talk) 17:06, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you

Morning Cullen - hope you are well. Thanks for the swift block of the impersonation. Please would you be able to nuke their user page too? Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 08:45, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Lugnuts,  Done. Cullen328 (talk) 08:51, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Another Cullen "street"

Hello, I found another street containing your username, any interest in it? However, it's blurry. Here's the image: [6] Severestorm28 03:19, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Nice, thanks, Severestorm28. Cullen328 (talk) 03:22, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
Thank you, however if I had another picture that didn't look blurry... Severestorm28 03:23, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

NerdyGenius1

NerdyGenius1 (talk · contribs) doesn't seem to have learned much from the indefinite page blocks you issued. They also spread their Aafia Siddiqui related disruption to the Bagram torture and prisoner abuse‎ article, and now at the CIA black sites article. For example this edit where the text added claims she was initially declared unfit to stand trial due to the torture she underwent. What the reference actually says is After a court-ordered evaluation found that she was unfit for trial as a result of a mental disease (without specifying what the cause of said mental disease is) and later The judge may also hear varying conclusions about her whereabouts between 2003 and 2008, a period when her supporters have said she was abducted by foreign authorities and tortured. Therefore for her alleged torture to suddenly become a fact and the cause of her alleged mental disease is clearly unsupported by the reference. I fear we are at a WP:NOTHERE stage by now? FDW777 (talk) 22:27, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

I have not disturbed anything. I simply transferred everything that YOU approved from the Bagram Torture page to the CIA Black Site page. I then noticed how it was mentioning the trial, and I quoted from The New York Times how it was relevant. I believe you are simply assuming that any addition of well-sourced facts is a disruption, when all I virtually did was simply add sources and then bring up the relevance. Again, this is a page on Bagram and a page on CIA black sites. I have done nothing more than simply add sources, as well as add the New York Times article. I was planning to keep everything sane for the next year before I appeal the block, and I was showing that by simply posting what YOU had approved,(NerdyGenius1 (talk) 01:07, 24 January 2022 (UTC))
Also, "The judge may also hear varying conclusions about her whereabouts between 2003 and 2008, a period when her supporters have said she was abducted by foreign authorities and tortured. Prosecutors have emphatically denied those claims." is what I was basing this off. If you read the whole edit, I simply chronicled how the CIA black site was relevant to her trial, which was already mentioned. Also I apologize if I misspoke. I believe a proper edit you could have done is add the word "allegedly" or perhaps add "That her Prosecutors Denied" or at lease "That her defenders claimed" but not lodge a formal complaint at what amounts to be nothing more than a typo. This isn't a disruption. This was simply my attempt to regain the trust of the editors by editing a related page and trying to avoid my biases. I just happened to accidentally not type in a word due to me focusing on the rest of the sentences and adding the sources. I don't see how that's blameworthy. I apologize for not adding the word "allegedly" in the entire edit(NerdyGenius1 (talk) 01:19, 24 January 2022 (UTC))
The edit that I made was "The CIA Black Sites were central to the psychological evaluations prior to the trial, as she was initially declared unfit to stand trial due to the torture she underwent, although the government denied the claims and government-employed psychiatrists accused her of faking it, and she was made to stand trial." I apologize for forgetting the word "allegedly. I believe a proper edit should have been "The CIA Black Sites were central to the psychological evaluations prior to the trial, as she was initially declared unfit to stand trial due to the torture she allegedly underwent, although the government denied the claims and government-employed psychiatrists accused her of faking it, and she was made to stand trial." If it's okay, I will add that edit and it will not be against any guidelines. My intention is not disruption, but cooperation, and I believe you could have cooperated by simply adding the word "Allegedly". The main reason I'm posting on this is so that I can regain the trust so that I can appeal the pagebloack in the next year or two.(NerdyGenius1 (talk) 01:22, 24 January 2022 (UTC))

I do not believe that your assertion that claims of torture were central to the psychological evaluations prior to the trial, is accurate according to the cited sources, and that you have a very bad habit of stretching the assertions of cited sources far beyond the scope of what those sources actually say. You seem to want to cite these sources in support of a torture narrative in Wikipedia's voice that is not supported by the actual text of the cited sources. Cullen328 (talk)

Is this irregular AfC bypass?

Could I get your opinion on creation of Destiny Wagner while Draft:Destiny Wagner is waiting for AfC review? ☆ Bri (talk) 20:58, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Bri. AfC is an optional process, except for new editors and paid/COI editors. The most recent AfC reviewer noted that the article exists, and that the draft is much more detailed than the article. I know little and care even less about beauty pageants and their winners, but since there are lots of articles in Category:Miss Earth winners, I assume that she is probably notable. So, the best course of action is probably to merge the draft into the article. Cullen328 (talk) 22:40, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

sheen1013 Block on editing HAUSER page

Hello Jim,

I hope you are doing well. I am writing you to request that you unblock me from editing the HAUSER Wikipedia page, as I have updated my employment/compensation information on my profile. I apologize, as I was not aware of this requirement prior to making my previous edits to the page.

Thank you for your time!

Sheen1013 (talk) 09:07, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Sheen1013. There is no HAUSER page. There is an encyclopedia article about Stjepan Hauser, which is what reliable, independent sources call him. No, I am not going to unblock you from that article, because you seem determined to make promotional edits. You can make neutral, non-promotional edit requests at Talk:Stjepan Hauser. Cullen328 (talk) 15:28, 25 January 2022 (UTC)


Hello Jim,

I would like to ask, what part of the edit that I had requested seemed "promotional"? The HAUSER management team and I took the current "article" and deleted all the false information that is on the page. We also made adjustments according to our source (Stjepan HAUSER), so we feel that there was no such promotional edits made whatsoever. Any guidance there would be appreciated, as HAUSER would like to correct the misinformation found on the current Wikipedia article.

In reference to your backhanded insult of my level of the English language, I would like to apologize for my misuse of the word "page". English is only one of six languages I speak, and sometimes I do tend to use words somewhat freely, I suppose. I was under the impression that websites, such as Wikipedia, can also be referred to as web pages, hence the misuse.

Thank you Sheen1013 (talk) 16:28, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Sheen1013, Wikipedia articles summarize what reliable, independent published sources say about the topic. We provide references to those sources. You stripped every single reference out of the article, and added content provided by Hauser. That is unacceptable and an unreferenced biography of a living person is contrary to policy and subject to deletion. Let me make something crystal clear: Hauser will not determine the content of the article. An unreferenced biography with content dictated by the subject is by definition promotional. Specific concerns about the article should be discussed at Talk: Stjepan Hauser. If something is false, provide a link to a published source that makes that clear. Familiarize yourself with Wikipedia’s policies and guidelines, especially its three core content policies, which are Verifiability, the Neutral point of view and No original research. I did not insult your language abilities, which seem just fine to me. Conceptually, it is important to make the "encyclopedia article" vs "page" distinction. Wikipedia is not social media. Many people do not understand this, and experienced editors need to make this clear. Wikipedia is the #7 website in the world, and #1 by far in terms of originally written educational content. We have strict standards and we enforce them. Cullen328 (talk) 18:32, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Louis Riel blocking

Referring to blocking history below the line, Yamla suggests that I contact you directly to see about unblocking Louis Riel for me. Most of my editing effort lately has been devoted to work on two drafts aimed at getting my first Wikipedia article approved, namely, Draft:Louis Riel (historiography), then Draft:Historiography of Louis Riel. I had discussions with User:Nikkimaria on the Louis Riel talk page about the former draft and User:Bkissin has commented favorably about the latter draft. Thank you in advance. Cblambert (talk) 19:40, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Cblambert. I am declining your unblock request for that article. It has only been three weeks and I want to see six months of non-disruptive edits before unblocking. Cullen328 (talk) 20:11, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
No need to display this block notice on my talk page

Because of your edit warring and disruptive editing, you have been blocked indefinitely from editing Louis Riel. You can work with other interested editors at Talk: Louis Riel to build consensus for changes. However, disruptive editing on the talk page will not be tolerated. Please read the Guide to appealing blocks. Cullen328 (talk) 02:15, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Cullen328 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I believe this is first time I have been blocked. I undertake to refrain from edit warring and disruptive editing on Wikipedia. Also, I believe I have reached closure, and in any case undertake to be more moderate, vis-a-vis Louis Riel Talk issues. See for example my last few posts at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Louis_Riel#Saunder's_Symbolism_of_Louis_Riel. Cblambert (talk) 17:24, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Decline reason:

Once you believe you have demonstrated this via the talk page, please contact your blocking admin directly. Yamla (talk) 10:39, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

Responded to you.

I just responded to your response over at the Teahouse. -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 16:32, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Pete Best Beatles. Please read Referencing for beginners to learn how to format a reference. Cullen328 (talk) 19:00, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
I didn't know I had to formally format it in the sandbox, I thought that was were I just suggested a change. -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 23:36, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
Pete Best Beatles, your sandbox page is a place for you to develop new content, not to make suggestions. It would be unlikely that another editor will come to your own sandbox and format a reference for you. Cullen328 (talk) 02:01, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Curious edits from eight-day-old user

Howdy and happy 2022! In one of my currently rare and very brief forays onto the desktop platform (and hence my watchlist; real life is a bit stressful at the moment), I just stumbled across a fresh user whose edits ([7]) appear reallllly useless and inexplicable. Whether they're gaming EC in a remarkably non-inconspicuous fashion, or just buttering the cat (Newsweek explains the best flash-in-the-pan Reddit slang term ever: [8]), I wanted to let somebody else pick up the trail before I sign off for the night!

Sorry for being in a hurry (my wifi-equipped venue is about to close) and being out of practice with linking to user contributions; hoping things will get back to normal soon. Thanks! - Julietdeltalima (talk) 06:53, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello,, Julietdeltalima. Well, at least you motivated me to read Buttered cat paradox, so there is that. Yes, a new account who works on tagging old editors as "not around" looks pretty fishy, and I would venture to guess that they are not actually "new". Without evidence of genuine disruption, I do not know what we can do at this time other than observing and preparing to act if things take a turn for the worse. Maybe a member of our fine corps of sockpuppet detectives can figure it out. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. Cullen328 (talk) 07:35, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
hahaha, would you believe I was actually referring to a ‘’new, completely unrelated’’ cat-plus-butter concept? Thanks to a chest-pain-inducingly hilarious series of Reddit posts about an office cat and disagreements between his human advocates regarding how to deal with his perceived intellectual shortcomings, “buttering the cat” all of a sudden means “trying to be helpful by ‘solving’ a ‘problem’ (especially one that didn’t actually exist in anyone else’s mind) in a profoundly unhelpful and counterproductive manner.” The saga starts [[9]], or you can Google “Jorts stereotypes” and start with the December 14, 2021 entry. The amusement value/reading time ratio is extremely high. Julietdeltalima (talk) 10:27, 20 January 2022 (UTC) Julietdeltalima (talk) 10:27, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

This keeps looking weird. Just updating the hive mind while I have connectivity. [10] - Julietdeltalima (talk) 05:15, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Julietdeltalima, I agree that it "looks weird". Why the heck would a new editor devote attention to which administrators are inactive? On the other hand, there is nothing inherently disruptive about these edits, at least so far. This is clearly not a new editor, but I expect some more convincing evidence before pulling my mop out of the closet. Cullen328 (talk) 05:31, 23 January 2022 (UTC):
Julietdeltalima, I don't know if you have noticed or not, but YappityYapp has been indefinitely blocked as a lying sockpuppet. Your suspicions were justified. Cullen328 (talk) 02:11, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

What does disruptive edit mean as long as source in it?

You said disruptive edits Solidarityandfreedom (talk) 23:47, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Editing with a conflict of interest and pushing a promotional point of view is disruptive. Edit warring is disruptive. Relying on weak primary sources like tweets is disruptive. Using misleading edit summaries is disruptive. Just read your own user talk page. Plenty of other editors consider your behavior to be disruptive. Cullen328 (talk) 23:56, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

re: Deleting comments on your talk page

I'm afraid I don't know what you're talking about. -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 01:41, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Pete Best Beatles, please take a close look at the evidence. Was it a mistake? Cullen328 (talk) 01:45, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
I see what happened, but I don't even want to use the word mistake because I have no idea how I did that. The only thing I can think of is that my computer is down and I'm using an old decrepit family laptop. Occasionally I'll hit a letter and a macro is brought up...I apologize profusely. (The same thing just happened to David notMD also.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pete Best Beatles (talk • contribs) 02:12, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
Pete Best Beatles, no problem, because we all make mistakes. Here is a suggestion: I always proofread each of my edits right after I make them, and make corrections as needed. Try to get into that habit. You can always revert any edit that wasn't what you intended. I have done that many times. Cullen328 (talk) 02:35, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Quick question.

Hi Jim. I wanted to ask you a quick question. Why are genealogical sources such as this not considered reliable sources? I was told that this is not a reliable source, but I don't really understand why. Can you help? Colman2000 (talk) 06:22, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Colman2000. A reliable source has a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. RootsWeb appears to be a subsidiary of Ancestry.com that consists of user-submitted content without professional editorial controls. In other words, they will publish anything unless it is overt spam or vandalism. Such user edited websites are never acceptable as references on Wikipedia. That is why one Wikipedia article is never acceptable as a reference on another Wikipedia article. Cullen328 (talk) 06:52, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
Thanks, Jim. This helps a lot. I got this from a website from Genealogytrails.com, and given what you wrote about it, I will not use it as you mentioned that it is not fact-checked by professional editors. Thanks again. Colman2000 (talk) 07:10, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – February 2022

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 03:01, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Medgar Evers

Thanks for the correction - absolutely. Would you object to my re-editing this but keeping your point in mind? The changes I'm making are mostly matters of style, but also relate to content. The lead isn't too bad, though the sequence at the end of the lead para could be tightened (segregation is mentioned twice, U Miss is a specific mentioned immediately below, etc.) The same is especially true of the third para. All of the assassination material mentioned in the lead needs to be condensed and placed in this para. Other things that need to be changed/added to the lead IMO is that his murder was the first of its kind in the civil rights movement (according to PBS, though I'll research that further), detail on Brown v. Board takes attention away from him and can be left to the body, and on that note, a better summary is needed on Medgar's civil rights roles/accomplishments. But just to show what I'm doing in general: A sentence below says "His murder and the resulting trials inspired civil rights protests; his life and these events inspired numerous works of art, music, and film." This would be much better as "His life, murder and the resulting trials inspired civil rights protests at the time, as well as numerous works of art, music, and film over the ensuing decades." Your feedback, brief or whatever, would be greatly appreciated. Allreet (talk) 19:18, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Allreet. I do not object to you copyediting the article as long the facts are accurate. For example, his murder was not the first of its kind in the civil rights movement. His associate George W. Lee was assassinated in 1955. In all honesty, it has been several years since I have read the Evers article carefully. I am not a fan of the word "numerous" and think that "many" is better and more direct in most contexts. Cullen328 (talk) 23:18, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Lrudak

Just so you know, when you partially blocked Lrudak they are attempting to get themselves unblocked from the page with the (useless IMO) excuse that they know what they are putting in the article is true, anyway, the point of my message is to let you know that you may want to keep an eye on them. Also, it could be a good idea to throw semi onto the LELO page so LELO can't create more accounts or use different IP's. Thanks Zippybonzo (talk) 16:59, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Zippybonzo. I have given the editor some advice on her talk page. As for semi-protecting the article, there have been no disruptive edits in four weeks. We do not use semi-protection preemptively, but only when there is active disruption by IPs and fresh accounts. Cullen328 (talk) 17:20, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

TPA

The user Eraverse‎ is continuing to spam on their talk page after you blocked them. Might want to revoke talk page access. Thanks. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 20:56, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

 Done. Thanks, Drm310. Cullen328 (talk) 22:25, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thank you for sharing your cache of sources for Draft:Afro-American Association! That's very kind of you. Please feel free to contribute to the article if you have time and interest. It needs a lot more work, but I think it's almost sufficient for me to move it to mainspace. Dreamyshade (talk) 19:48, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

My question was: How do I delete and account? I tried that, but it told me nothing useful. I simply have no idea how to create my author page and have screwed up twice doing so. Wikipedia does not make setting up for page easy. It should be straightforward and simple with templates to choose from. Setting up my website was so much easier and professional. Do I have to hire someone to set up my page correctly?M.E. Langley (talk) 20:02, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

I tried that, but it told me nothing useful. I simply have no idea how to create my author page and have screwed up twice doing so. Wikipedia does not make setting up for page easy. It should be straightforward and simple with templates to choose from. Setting up my website was so much easier and professional. Do I have to hire someone to set up my page correctly?

Hello, M.E. Langley. You only have three edits with this account. If you tried to write an article with another account, what was that account? I strongly recommend against hiring a paid Wikipedia editor. They have a very bad reputation here, and many of them are outright con artists. There are good reasons why it is not easy to write an acceptable Wikipedia article. If it was easy, the encyclopedia would quickly be overwhelmed with spam, garbage and hoaxes. For legal reasons, accounts cannot be entirely deleted. Cullen328 (talk) 20:11, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

What your message means

Could you please let me know what your message to me means? I am new and I am feeling prosecuted here and I have a disability. Why is it that you are posting on my talk page?? Elstonbrene (talk) 21:38, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

New message from QuickQuokka

Hello, Cullen328. You have new messages at QuickQuokka's talk page.
Message added 18:38, 16 February 2022 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Please direct me to the incorrect statement I answered with in the Teahouse Quick Quokka [talk] 18:38, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Civility Barnstar
Thank you for calmly explaining the error of my ways! Quick Quokka [talk] 20:24, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

User "Cpotisch"

The user Cpotisch , who has previously posted fraudulent information has been posting harassing content on my questions. Just bringing to this administer's attention. 107.77.253.15 (talk) 18:05, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Features for new users coming soon (and mentors, like you, wanted!)

Hello Jim. (I know you will already have picked up on what follows, but I didn't want to leave you off this post I'm sending to almost all active TH hosts)...

As you're currently listed as a host at the Teahouse, I wanted to make sure you're aware of the imminent rollout of new Growth Team Features which every new account will be getting by default. Each users will soon see a new 'Homepage' tab next to their User page. It contains two main elements which might impact on your involvement - and you'd be welcome to get involved and help out directly with one of them.

  • Firstly, they will be offered a range of 'suggested edits', and encouraged to make simple improvements to pages that interest them. (Being aware of this feature would be helpful for all Teahouse hosts if you're likely to offer advice on tasks for them to start out doing.)
  • There's also a 'Your impact' box to show them how many people have seen the pages they've just edited.
  • Finally, each new user is randomly assigned a 'mentor' from a list of friendly, experienced editors, like yourself. If they get stuck, they can ask a question directly to them via a Your mentor box, and hopefully get a swift, friendly answer from that mentor. Currently, this feature is given to 2% of new users, but it's set to increase to around 10% in the very near future.

To spread the load on our current list of around 65 mentors, I'm reaching out to ask if you'd like to help out and sign up as one? The workload is relatively small; User Panini! reports receiving four questions a month, on average, all of which were simple ones of the type we already get at the Teahouse and elsewhere, and I've had just the one in the last 3 weeks. To view a list of every question asked of all mentors over the last 14 days, click here.

If becoming a mentor and being available to help new users on their first few days here interests you - just as you already do at the Teahouse - then please consider signing up at Growth Team features/Mentor list. Existing users can already 'opt-in' to seeing the Newcomer Homepage features via their Preferences.

Thank you!

Hello, Nick Moyes. I am skeptical about the effectiveness of this new program, but I added my name to the mentor list. We shall see. Cullen328 (talk) 16:10, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
That's great to hear. I know why you might say that, though these results do seem to support their effectiveness in directing new users to make more constructive first edits. Let's see how it pans out. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 16:24, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Creation of a new Wiki page on Esoteric Healing, an Integrative Medicine and Complementary Healing topic

Hi Jim!

Thank for the counsel on how best to approach a new topic on Wiki.

People will come to Wiki for definitions in particular. It's important to me that we provide a definition and offer evidenced base research, peer reviewed research, and books written on the subject. Books are often not peer reviewed, but those written by PhDs, MDs, board certified practitioners are all valid and reliable and deserve inclusion for further insight of the definition.

Other modalities of energy medicine have a wiki page. Esoteric Healing does not. Are you as an administrator open to working with me development of such a page? I am a PhD scholar at Michigan State University, my name Mary Anne, I work in Osteopathic Medicine. Surely we agree that the references alone are valid and can be included? Grateful for the academic rigor, however, how does wiki ever add new knowledge to the databank?

Please counsel on how best to proceed. I appreciate your advice! Thank you so much.

Here is what I have in mind, happy to code it appropriately required by WIKI...

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Esoteric healing is a modality of energy medicine developed to improve well-being and create homeostasis in the body. [1-13] "Everything in existence is made of energy,"as Albert Einstein stated in 1948 when he presented his work in a film called “Atomic Physics.” Esoteric healers balance the energy fields of the body, working with the electromagnetic field surrounding the body.[2] This dynamic energy field surrounds and permeates all living beings.[3] It makes up the scaffolding upon which our physical body is built.[4] Seven major centers, or chakras, exist within this energy field. [8] Each of these centers vitalize a related nerve center, an endocrine gland, and the internal organs that create functioning systems, as in digestive, respiratory, immune, etc.[6] In a healthy person, harmony and balance exists within this field; in a state of dis-ease, congestion and discord are found.[2][5][7][9][12] Esoteric healing helps to improve mental, emotional and physical health through an understanding that our thoughts, beliefs and consciousness have effects on our physical body and overall health.[2][5][7][9][12] Esoteric healing affects the biofield that surrounds all living beings.[1-13] By removing energy blockages and/or balancing excessive energy, the healer supports a stabilized system, and energy can flow freely from the soul to the physical personality body which supports sustained health. [1-13] This healing technique is performed in the energy field, with hands off the body. [2][5][6][8][9][10][11][12][13]

Esoteric Healing effectively blends the worlds of biofield science and medicine, both of which are making breakthrough discoveries that explain subtle energy's part in our state of health. [3][4][5][6][8] To obtain good health, all aspects of the human being must be balanced: the spiritual, mental, emotional, and physical.[1][3][4][6][7][8][11][12] Through meditative focus and sensitized hands, specific energy points are used to bring an individual's energy field into a harmonious state. [2][5][6][11][12] Using the anatomy of the physical body and the chakra system in the subtle bodies, areas of excess or constricted energy are identified and brought into balance. [1-13]

Esoteric Healing was first published in 1953 and was initially inspired by Djwhal Khul and Alice Bailey[2]. Djwhal Khul and Alice Bailey's teaching on healing primarily concerns the relationship of the soul to personality, of the spiritual to the material nature. In their book, Esoteric Healing, it is stated that, "all disease is the result of inhibited soul life, and that is true of all forms in all kingdoms. The art of the healer consists in releasing the soul, so that its life can flow through the aggregate of organisms which constitute any particular form." p. 133. Healing consists of releasing blocked energy of the soul, establishing right relations between the soul and the personality body where the personality body is defined as the instrument of soul expression.[1][2][11]

Ref. International Network of Energy Healing (UK); National Association of Esoteric Healing (US). [1] [6][11]

There are at least 26 books and dozens of journal articles written on the subject. [1-13]

Healing Energy medicine Alternative healing Chi healing Christian Science healing Energy medicine Esoteric healing (Alice Bailey) Gifts of healing Johrei Pranic healing Prayer healing Sound healing Qigong Quantum healing Reiki Six Healing Sounds Spiritual healing Universal Medicine Vibrational healing See also Energy (esotericism) Healing revival Inner Healing Movement Long Healing Prayer Shamanism Traditional medicine World Healing Day References 

Settersten, Lori (21 October 2010). "What Is Esoteric Healing?". Journal of Holistic Nursing. SAGE Publications. 29 (2): 132–139. doi:10.1177/0898010110385247. ISSN 0898-0101. PMID 20966434. S2CID 23884825.


2. Bailey, A. (1953). Esoteric healing. Lucis Publishing Companies (NY).

3. Brennan, B. (1988). Hands of light: A guide to healing through the human energy field. Bantam Books (NY).

4. Fortune, D. (2000). Principles of esoteric healing. Sun Chalice Books (CA).

5. Gerber, R. (2001). Vibrational medicine: The #1 handbook of subtle energy therapies. Bear & Company (VT).

6. Hopking, A. (2004). Esoteric healing: A practical guide based on the teachings of the Tibetan and the works of Alice A. Bailey. Blue Dolphin Publishing (NV).

7. Jain, S. (2021). Healing ourselves: Biofield science and the future of health. Sounds True (CO).

8. Lansdowne, Z. (1986). The Chakras & esoteric healing. Samuel Weiser, Inc. (ME).

9. Levin, J. (2019). Western esoteric healing II: A taxonomy of sources of therapeutic knowledge. Explore (NY), 17(2):153-161. doi: 10.1016/j.explore.2019.10.003. Epub PMID: 31902672.

10. Levin, J. (2019). Western esoteric healing: Conceptual background and therapeutic knowledge. Explore (NY), 17(2);148-152. doi: https://doi.org/10.1016/j.explore.2019.10.008.

11. Johnston, B. (1975). New age healing. The International Health Research Network (London, UK).

12. Page, C. R. (1992). Frontiers of health: How to heal the whole person. Rider (London, UK).

13. Page, C.R. (2005). Spiritual alchemy: How to transform your life. Penguin Random House (London, UK).

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Editorinchief111 (talk • contribs) 16:15, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Editorinchief111. Please do not post article drafts on other editor's talk pages. I am sorry but I have no interest in writing about this topic, but I do have some suggested reading for you:

That should get you started. Cullen328 (talk) 17:13, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

LOL. AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:50, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 01:46, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Question from Kabookijo on Wikipedia:Wikipedia (disambiguation) (04:54, 4 March 2022)

Hello. What is this? --Kabookijo (talk) 04:54, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Kabookijo. It is a self-referential Disambiguation page. Cullen328 (talk) 05:02, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Request for Review of Fortinet page

Hi Jim,

Several months have passed since my former colleague, Jasmine Lozano, sought help from the Teahouse Community to improve the Wikipedia article about Fortinet. On the basis of your advice, our company made several COI Edit Requests to help improve the article. According to the page history, a few disinterested editors have updated the page several times in that timeframe.

Per your reply to Jasmine last November (Follow up on Teahouse Discussion on Fortinet Article) I think the article is ready for your review. Please advise and we appreciate your time.Johnwikiwelton (talk) 21:42, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Johnwikiwelton. The first reference was written by Fortinet and the second is obviously the result of company PR efforts. Accordingly, I will decline to implement this request. Cullen328 (talk) 21:49, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Hello, Thank you Jim for your time and consideration.Johnwikiwelton (talk) 21:19, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
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