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Hello

Hello and Welcome to the Wikipedia! Can I invite you to the Teahouse? TheOriginalSoni (talk) 12:00, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes please! Thanks! CURTAINTOAD! ^TALK! 07:59, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Curtain, how old are you? TheOriginalSoni (talk) 14:26, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, but I can't tell you, even on email; it's private. :( CURTAINTOAD! ^TALK! 07:59, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That's confidential...

Basket _Feudalist 14:41, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's not that number... :/ CURTAINTOAD! ^TALK! 08:28, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Then what is it? TheOriginalSoni (talk) 08:29, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, but I can't tell you; it's very private. :/ CURTAINTOAD! ^TALK! 08:41, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I see. Thanks! TheOriginalSoni (talk) 14:43, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Font

I have undone the font on this talk page. I politely mentioned yesterday that it should be changed, and I'd listen to valid counter-arguments why it should be kept, but you ignored my request. Can I point out, as others have done, that dismissing thought out replies with little more than "thanks" can be considered rude or offensive to other people, particularly when they really are trying to help. I think going to the Teahouse, as mentioned above, is a good idea. --Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 12:15, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Also, sorry to pick on you again, but I noticed you reverted changes to Ellen Frances and tagged them as vandalism. You need to be careful about identifying things as vandalism; in this case the other editor removed information that wasn't verifiable due to a lack of a citation of the people listed to a reliable source. It was a good faith attempt to improve the encyclopedia by removing unverifiable content, and hence not vandalism. Cheers. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 12:26, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Re Ellen Frances the changes you "undid" were actually putting vandalism back on the site that was taken off. If you check the source link you see that "mini driver" and "bootsy collins" were never at any art event she held. the editor who undid your change REMOVED the VANDALISM. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robo134 (talk • contribs) 13:14, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Robo134, neither your edits or Curtaintoad's were vandalism, which is a deliberate attempt to damage content on Wikipedia. You both thought you were doing something right, so what you've actually got is a content dispute. I've compromised by tagging the relevant area of the article with {{citation needed}}, which means I'd like a source for the names listed to be provided, instead of removing them outright. --Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 14:01, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ironicly I don't think theere were any arguments of of way or another-!!! Basket _Feudalist 12:44, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, sorry about the things I have done wrong, but thanks. By the way, I have added the font back on this talk page; I have a very good reason why, but hopefully this makes sense, and is not rude. User talk pages like User talk:Pratyya Ghosh and User talk:Mediran get to have their font, so why shouldn't I get a font? Thanks, CURTAINTOAD! ^TALK! 08:08, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If you insist on having a font, can you please make it something that people can read? I'm 22, and I struggle to read it; imagine how someone in their 50s or 60s will feel when they read your page. --Rs chen 7754 08:10, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

But I think this is a good font. Can I please stay with the one I have? CURTAINTOAD! ^TALK! 08:14, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

We can't make you change the font, but people will get very annoyed with you very quickly. Not a good call if you ever want to be an admin. --Rs chen 7754 08:17, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You can (Nobody can actually force you to change it) but it would be considered polite if you could change it. Having a font that would be great and easy to understand will be best for everyone! TheOriginalSoni (talk) 08:18, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! CURTAINTOAD! ^TALK! 08:21, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Are you changing it? TheOriginalSoni (talk) 08:25, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I like stick with the current one! Thanks! CURTAINTOAD! ^TALK! 08:26, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You know thats rude, right? TheOriginalSoni (talk) 08:28, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, sorry about that, I may make a few mistakes, though. :/ CURTAINTOAD! ^TALK! 08:32, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

My talk

I posted the thread back for you. — Robin (talk) 17:38, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. CURTAINTOAD! ^TALK! 08:08, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A cheeseburger for you!

Thanks very much for the userbox! Very clever

Basket _Feudalist 11:28, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yummy...cheeseburger! Thanks! ;) CURTAINTOAD! ^TALK! 21:53, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Talkback

Hello, Curtaintoad. You have new messages at Pratyya Ghosh's talk page.
Message added 09:05, 20 January 2013 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.[reply]

Pratyya ^(Hello!) 09:05, 20 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

deleted page

Page was tagged page has served no purpose since October, just to hold a '-'. May have been created to suite a copy and paste from another user's talk., and it had never had significant content, so I assumed this was just routine housekeeping. No problem restoring it if you want it back, although given the lack of content it might be simpler for you just to recreate the page Jimfbleak - talk to me? 10:04, 20 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, thanks. CURTAINTOAD! ^TALK! 10:06, 20 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please contact ArbCom

Hi Curtaintoad:

Please contact the Arbitration Committee as soon as possible via email at arbcom-llists.wikimedia.org. In the meantime, your account has been temporarily suspended. Thanks, Roger Davies ^talk 16:10, 20 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

I think its a little premature to lock the account at this point based on the admission that the user is young and has Autism. I think watching their edits and helping them would be a little more appropriate given that it appears they haven't done anything bad like Vandalism. Kumioko (talk) 23:31, 23 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

My guess is that the block was imposed to protect Curtintoad from self-revealing unimportant and potentially damaging personal information, as he had repeatedly done previously. I suspect you won't get anything more from Roger other than a holding reply telling you to email arbcom if you have concerns. Ritchie333 ^(talk) <^(cont) 10:14, 24 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I really don't feel that strongly on the issue to fight it but I think it sets a bad example. I especially find it troubling that Roger unilaterally made the decision that they need to contact Arbcom with no Arbcom discussion about it. Frankly if I were the editors mother, who is also an editor here, I would likely stop editing too. There are a lot of folks on here who have admitted to having Aspbergars, Parkinsons and a variety of other illnesses. I think this sends a message that we don't want them. Kumioko (talk) 12:25, 24 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry you feel like that, Kumioko, but if you ever get into a management position, especially one where human resource management is involved, you may find yourself in the position Roger is, where he cannot give you anything more than a holding reply to contact arbcom. Suffice to say, I don't think the block has anything to do with the conditions you mention above. And, to be precise, he didn't say there was no arbcom discussion, merely that there was no public one. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 12:58, 24 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am in Human Resources and I am in management and the term we use for this is Equal Opportunity (EEO). Its called Age discrimination! I left another long note on Roger's page. I think this is a case of where we pick and choose when to enforce polices because we have lots of kids editing, lots of folks with Aspergers and other diseases and lots of people who have slipped Personal info that's been removed. I also have a small problem with Arbcom and Roger using an Essay (WP:Child) as justification for a block/ban. Historically it has been policy that we shouldn't block based on an Essay that is neither a guideline nor a policy. Anyway, I don't really have a dog in this fight but I voiced my opinion and I'm not going to keep arguing it. WP is doing a lot of things lately that I don't agree with and I think they are eroding the project. I'll just add this one to the list. If this user was a vandal or wasn't being a positive contributor or if the editors mother wasn't also an active editor that would all make this different. But that's not the case so I felt obligated to speak up. Kumioko (talk) 13:11, 24 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate you show passion for this, but I really don't think you're going to get a response out of Roger that will satisfy your concerns. Like you said, best to just let this one go. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 13:20, 24 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Your right I probably won't get a reply but I wanted to leave something voicing my concerns. Kumioko (talk) 13:33, 24 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Even if this was a unilateral decision, we elect ArbCom for the purposes of taking care of this type of matter. Roger did this due to information e-mailed to the entire ArbCom list in private, some of which I have/know of. If you have an issue with it, you're free to e-mail the ArbCom list and see what they'll tell you. gwickwire^talk_edits 19:01, 24 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

They really don't have to give me anything but I think the timing is pretty fishy. No one really cared about the editor being a kid until they found out this editor was autistic and then the get an indef ban and told to contact Arbcom. I admit there may be some things I don't know about this case and that's all well and good but this puts us on a slippery slope. Indef blocks due to either age or having autism is really not how we should be conducting business. Even the leaking of personal info isn't a show stopper. I have seen this happen plenty of times even with adults. They just revdel the version and tell the person not to do it. Additionally since the editors mother is an editor here she was undoubtedly watching his edits and could step in too if he strayed too far. Blocking for being a kid or for having autism could set a precedant that a lot of existing editors could fall into and get banned. And again I have a problem basing the decision on an Essay that isn't a policy or even a guideline. Anyway I am going to drop the issue now. I have better things to do than to act as a public defender to every editor that gets the shaft around here. If the mother wants him to be able to edit she can fight for it but I'm done here. Besides its gotten to the poitn where if I said Water was wet someone would argue its not just because I said it. Kumioko (talk) 19:12, 24 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]