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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:37, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

You deleted the starting quarterbacks for both the San Antonio Commanders and Orlando Apollos

Hello, why did you deleted from the roster list the starting quarterbacks of both of these teams?. Do you know that the AAF no longer exists and will not be in operation next year because of the lawsuits they have ?. You need to leave for future reference the roster that played during its lone season. Hopefully you can give an explanation of your reasoning.Tecmo (talk) 13:46, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

@Tecmo: The final rosters are located at the teams' respective 2019 season pages (i.e. 2019 San Antonio Commanders season#Final roster). Eagles 24/7 (C) 15:23, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

D'Ernest Johnson

My understanding is that a player is a rookie in the NFL only if he is in his first year of professional football AND the contract he signs with an NFL team is his first professional contract. Any player who plays in another league (e.g., the CFL) and then signs with an NFL team is not a rookie, but a first-year player.

Johnson, according to the press release,[1] played in the AAF last season, so he is not a rookie, but a first-year player. The same applied to Blake Jackson last season for the Browns; he had signed with a CFL team before signing with the Browns, so he was a first-year player, not a rookie. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lugubrious DBB (talk • contribs) 16:10, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "Browns sign RB D'Ernest Johnson". ClevelandBrowns.com. May 16, 2019.

Leave it as you left it with Johnson

Apparently I was wrong. Thank you for fixing my error. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lugubrious DBB (talk • contribs) 20:39, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Malachi Jones, the AAF, and the AFL

Regarding the AAF block; it was specifically and NFL exclusive out clause, which is why the NFL was the one organization named. As stated on their website still: "We are grateful to our players, who delivered quality football and may now exercise their NFL-out clauses in our contract."[1]

There was a story back when all this was going on, I think in the Canadian press, that made roughly the same points, but all I can currently find is this piece regarding the restriction to the out clause, ignoring it, and the possibility of being sued. "Third, the CFL could simply ignore the AAF’s alleged directive and sign the players. There is a good chance the AAF would take no action, save for sending a sternly-written letter penned by a lawyer. The AAF likely would not want to incur additional attorneys’ fees by suing the CFL. This is particularly the case given that the AAF will probably need to spend considerable monies defending against lawsuits. Of course, the CFL might be risk averse and not interested in taking a chance that signing AAF players would bring about a lawsuit."[2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by CestusHaberdasher (talk • contribs) 20:46, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Hey

I found out how to use mdy scripts and the short description helper Scribbley (talk) 22:39, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

User talk:WesGuy101 ‎

Please remove talk page access. (I am not watching this page, so please ping me if you want my attention.) Chris Troutman (talk) 19:19, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

@Chris troutman:  Done Thanks! Eagles 24/7 (C) 19:24, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

talk page

As you commented on my talk page about unhelpful edits, I decided that I'll focuse more on references and other things and not updating scripts. Sorry for the unhelpful edits, keep up the work Scribbley (talk) 23:42, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

russell okung citation

What is wrong with my citations? I have sourced this information from the actual person, and will continue to do so. Have you looked at the actual references? Theses are his exact words and you should respect these citations. If I may ask, what more would be required to have you stop undoing my work. He has clearly said these things and retweeted another person that mentions that he is evangelizing bitcoin to others on his team and around the world through his followers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lightningchargers (talk • contribs) 17:12, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 09:48, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

Drew Brees

By the way eagles nice to meet you ~sorry for my mistake ~ I was in a rush and didn't do my research like I normally do before I ever revert ~ you know what they say, the one time you don't cross your t's and dot your i's is the time that you will get bit in the butt ~ nice to meet you again ~ mitch ~ Mitchellhobbs (talk) 02:13, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

Anthony Davis

I would request if you could make the protection level on Anthony Davis extended confirmed because of wrongful editing nothing is confirmed till free agency starts. Scribbley (talk) 23:18, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

@Scribbley: It's already at that protection level unfortunately. You just have to undo changes by editors who don't fully understand how official announcements work, and explain to them why you are doing so in hopes that they learn for the future. It's very frustrating, especially since there's a template at the top with an explanation that they ignore. Eagles 24/7 (C) 23:28, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
@Scribbley: My bad, extended confirmed is a newer protection I wasn't familiar with and have changed the protection on Davis' page to that one. Thanks! Eagles 24/7 (C) 23:47, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Thx you for doing this. Goldenboy55555 (talk) 23:53, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Larry Dierker Page Edit

Hello Eagles247, you mentioned on my talk page that an edit I made to Larry Dierker's Page was reverted (by Yankees10). I wrote on Yankee10's page to ask what specifically could be done better to avoid getting the edit reverted, but I they have not responded to my comment. I don't want my edit to come across as an ad, but I do want to communicate that Larry Dierker has pursued other things in his later career. Do you have any recommendations on what content should be removed that would make it seem like it isn't an ad? I've reviewed the Wikipedia guidelines and I'm still not sure. Here's my original edit:

In 2017, Dierker teamed up with Benjamin Scardello of Houston, Texas to promote over 500 original and unique Baseball Stories Dierker had researched, written and recorded between 1982 and 1995. The stories contain information starting from the early days of baseball around 1900.

The two agreed to a digital entrepreneur endeavor to build a Podcast Website, www.49sfastball.com, converting the Baseball Stories into easily accessible Podcasts. The stories include a wide range of subjects and little known “back story” narratives about Players, Stadiums, Records, Promos and Unusual Events, Pitching, Openers and Debuts, Hitting, and All-Star Games.

The Podcasts can be heard on iTunes, Google Play, Spotify, AnyPod, Stitcher, Tune In, and Soundcloud.

In addition to the Podcasts, other relevant baseball information is available on the website including, Current Blog Articles, a Vast MLB Resources Section linking visitors to all of the top baseball websites, including colligate baseball. There’s even a “Contests and Prizes” section where participants can win MLB Baseball memorabilia.

Podcast Website Address: www.49sFastball.com Content: Iconic Baseball Podcast Stories Library & More Current Podcast Inventory: ~500 Historical Perspective: from the 1900s to 1995 Copyright: 49sFastball

As a co-founder with Scardello of 49sFastball.com, Dierker continues to provide new content for the website and is an active speaker, spokesperson, and proactive with philanthropic causes. Both Dierker and Scardello look to advance and promote the interest in our National Past Time by providing a look at baseball from a different time and a unique perspective. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Convergent1 (talk • contribs) 13:54, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

@Convergent1: Unfortunately, almost all of the content is promotional in nature and cannot be accepted on Wikipedia. I suggest adding a sentence like "In 2017, Dierker and Benjamin Scardello created a podcast called 49's Fastball in which Dierker shares baseball stories he researched going back to the early years of baseball." with a third-party reference attributed at the end. If you need more help with what is not acceptable to include on Wikipedia, please see WP:PROMO (specifically #5). Eagles 24/7 (C) 00:27, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

Please protect

Can you also protect Mike Conley Jr., Kyle Korver, and Jae Crowder? They are currently under a trade.

Nbagoodfun (talk) 16:36, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

@Nbagoodfun:  Done Eagles 24/7 (C) 16:57, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

Matt Hasselbeck edit

The edit of mine you undid was from a vandal who was making small edits that were adding incorrect info, so it's not a big deal for me. But after reviewing your reasoning for reverting me, I was curious as to how we usually handle "ceremonial contracts". I ask because neither NFL.com or Pro Football Reference include these seasons in the player's lists of seasons played. A more recent example I can think of is Jordy Nelson. Was there discussion that determined consensus to include these seasons in the player's infobox? Just curious. Thanks, « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 19:35, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

@Gonzo fan2007: I’m not sure I understand, the vandal removed the ceremonial contract season that was added by a different user and you reverted his edit. We don’t show ceremonial contracts in the infobox. Eagles 24/7 (C) 14:13, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
My bad, I must have mixed up what I was actually reverting. Thanks for catching that! « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 21:35, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Page protections

Hi Eagles247, can you also protect T. J. Warren and Dario Šarić? They are also subject to pending trades. Natg 19 (talk) 19:14, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Also Aron Baynes. Natg 19 (talk) 19:17, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
@Natg 19:  Done sorry for the delay. Eagles 24/7 (C) 14:16, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Kafka

Good catch! Looked the same to me. My bad. Red Director (talk) 14:39, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

North

I did not even think about that. Just a coincidence. You seem to be one of the few really active ones this time of year on the NFL articles. Great work overall! Red Director (talk) 15:58, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 21:19, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Your reversion of stub sorting and stub tag removal

Per my earlier response to your inquiry on my talk page, @User:Eagles247, I'm reposting our discussion here on your talk page just to be sure that you see my response to your inquiry. 47thPennVols (talk) 19:27, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

<content removed> Thanks, {{ping}} works for me. Eagles 24/7 (C) 20:54, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

Andrew Dowell Injury Settlement

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/andrew-dowell-released-with-injury-settlement/

As well as the training camp news feed on dallascowboys.com.

RevanFan (talk) 02:12, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

  • Actually it would appear that the Cowboys site no longer has that, and the article I linked, while the title says injury settlement, the actual article only said waived/injured. I'll look into it but feel free to put him on IR for now. RevanFan (talk) 02:16, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Yeah looks like they messed up there, I'll go ahead and change it. Eagles 24/7 (C) 02:19, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Casey Dunn

I'll just give this a few days, maybe a week, for the website to reflect him being on IR. But if he is still not on there by then, then will he ever be? Does being waived/injured guarantee that they revert to IR if they go unclaimed by other teams? I just figured it was an option because I've seen players get W/I and never end up on IR. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 12:29, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

@Dissident93: Sometimes players are given injury settlements at the same time they are waived/injured, in that case they wouldn’t revert to IR. But in most cases injury settlements come after the player is already on IR. In this case specifically, he has definitely reverted to IR per the official league transactions wire (used by NFLTradeRumors, RosterMon, and CBS Sports). From past experiences, team websites are sometimes not privy to the official league transaction wire and might not know a player has reverted to IR after clearing waivers, so they won’t add the player to the list on their website. It’s frustrating, because you’d assume the official team website would be 100% accurate, but the people who update the rosters work in the marketing department instead of the football operations staff. Eagles 24/7 (C) 13:27, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
I'll just wait like a week to see if he gets added, but at some point if he's still not listed on the roster, then we shouldn't list him here either. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 14:50, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
@Dissident93: I strongly disagree with that, we have reliable sources saying he's on IR. Eagles 24/7 (C) 14:53, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
But then how will we know when he's eventually released from it if he never got added to the roster and thus gets removed from it, unless somebody catches a transaction that mentions it or something? Is there a third source independent of NFL.com transactions and team rosters that we can use to check this sort of stuff? ~ Dissident93 (talk) 14:56, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
NFL.com also shows a transaction for Dunn as "Reserve/Injured from Waived/Injured; Not Against 90" (can't link here because there's no permalink but if you go to [3] and search "Dunn" it will appear). Every transaction gets reported, always, on the official transaction wire (NFLTradeRumors posts the report daily, and RosterMon and CBSSports have it as well), so we'll see it through one of those sites if/when it happens. Tyrone Robertson was on the reserve/suspended list for 14 years and when he was finally waived from it by the Bills in 2016, it was reported. So ya gotta have some faith in the NFL news outlets. Eagles 24/7 (C) 15:07, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
He is still not listed on the roster as of today, and the team's official transactions simply says he was simply waived outright. If he is still not listed on the roster by the time of the final 53, then you shouldn't oppose me removing him again, right? ~ Dissident93 (talk) 13:45, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
Nope, there are still multiple independent reliable sources that contradict the primary source. When he is officially removed from the list by the Redskins, we will reflect the same here. Eagles 24/7 (C) 01:09, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
Not sure how much you pay attention to Redskins transactions, but Garrett Sickels was waived/injured and ended up terminated from his contract at the end of waiver claims, so that proves that being waived/injured does not guarantee a spot back on IR if they go unclaimed. Just something to watch for. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 14:44, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
Yes, I am aware that it is not a guarantee that waived/injured always leads to the placement on IR. In Dunn's case specifically, it has been reported by NFL.com and CBSSports.com that he was placed on IR after clearing waivers. It appears that Sickels was not placed on IR as you said. I haven't seen "Waived, Injury Waiver" before, but it appears to be a different designation than waived/injured or waived with an injury settlement. Eagles 24/7 (C) 16:37, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
@Dissident93: Looks like Dunn is finally listed on the team website's roster. Eagles 24/7 (C) 23:29, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, he was put there following the final 53 cuts. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 17:33, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

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Denard Robinson

I see the reference to Jacksonville Dolphins is not an error. Wouldn't a better listing for a relatively unknown college team to be Jacksonville University Dolphins football team on first reference? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Callmestarbucks (talk • contribs) 00:44, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

@Callmestarbucks: I see what you mean, but the name of the team is the Jacksonville Dolphins much like the Texas Longhorns is the University of Texas' sports team name. I've made a change that hopefully clears a little bit of it up, but I'm not sure how much more we can do there without calling the team by an incorrect name. Eagles 24/7 (C) 00:59, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

Regarding AAF teams...

Can I have a discussion here about that merge proposal you suggested? I wanted to spill some of my thoughts on the situation... (On Talk:2019 Arizona Hotshots season back in June.) James-the-Charizard (talk) 02:11, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

@James-the-Charizard: sure, whatcha got? Eagles 24/7 (C) 03:24, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
Your idea to merge the articles is a good one, I concede that fact. However I feel that with separate articles, the pages feel less... Cluttered... They can be easier to read for some people. James-the-Charizard (talk) 04:06, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
@James-the-Charizard: Thanks for the input. In general, I was looking at how Wikipedia handled XFL team articles since that league also only lasted one season (i.e. Birmingham Thunderbolts). The AAF team would not be notable in itself if the one season did not get played, and that's part of my rationale. Eagles 24/7 (C) 00:50, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
I concede in that it is a better idea. I will now throw support behind the merger. Am curious for Melanie's opinion though. James-the-Charizard (talk) 01:32, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Vincent Valentine

So I saw that they said he was on the IR, but currently he has been removed fully from the Cardinals website with Darren Urban saying he's been waived on https://www.azcardinals.com/news/cardinals-are-in-search-of-third-offensive-tackle PhoenixRancor (talk) 3:09, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

@PhoenixRancor: See User talk:Eagles247#Casey Dunn. Team websites are typically inaccurate about transaction minutiae for whatever reason, but according to websites that pull from the official NFL transactions wire, Valentine was waived/injured and then placed on IR after clearing waivers. If you go to this link from NFL.com and search "Valentine" you will see he was placed on IR on August 8. Eagles 24/7 (C) 17:27, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
@Eagles247: I got tweeted back from one of the cardinals reporters (Kyle Odegard) that Valentine was released not placed on IR. I'm kinda confused on what to do next and wanted to get a second opinion. PhoenixRancor (talk) 5:24, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
@PhoenixRancor: I'd still go with the official NFL transactions wire that's been reported in numerous places over a reporter for the team website. The websites just aren't as accurate as they should be. Eagles 24/7 (C) 12:27, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
@Eagles247: Hey update for you, apparently the nfl transactions changed to he was fully released instead of injured reserve. So I dont know what to do now. PhoenixRancor (talk) 3:31, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
@PhoenixRancor: Where do you see that? Eagles 24/7 (C) 11:22, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Very belated apology

Hello. We haven't spoken in about 7 and a half years, but you may remember an editor who caused a lot of trouble between late 2011 and early 2012 by the name of 1ravensnflfan who was eventually blocked indefinitely for using a sockpuppet. That was me. I was unblocked on request in December 2015, and have since then mostly stayed away from editing football-related articles but have done a lot of editing on history articles. I just wanted to let you know that when I was editing before, I was 12 years old and only in the seventh grade. I was way too young and immature to be on Wikipedia. I just wanted to offer a very belated apology for being such a pain the ass. Display name 99 (talk) 13:22, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

@Display name 99: Glad to see you've become a productive editor! Very impressive transformation. Eagles 24/7 (C) 12:24, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

I'm not sure how to approach this...

[4] is almost becoming an edit war involving users and IPs over the image of Michael Thomas... James-the-Charizard (talk) 21:57, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

@James-the-Charizard: The picture of him with the Saints is a clear copyright violation, and I've nominated it for deletion over at Commons. Eagles 24/7 (C) 22:01, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
I didn't know, since I am not over at the Commons... And it had been here for a bit, which makes me feel dumb for reverting a correct ousting of the image earlier (by an IP)... (I'm not really on any other Wikimedia sites.) James-the-Charizard (talk) 22:04, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
@James-the-Charizard: Actually, upon closer review it doesn't look like a copyright violation. The image was pulled from a YouTube video by the Falcons and they licensed it as eligible to be used in other works. In my opinion, however, the Ohio State image of Thomas is better than the screenshot from a video as a Saints player. Eagles 24/7 (C) 22:20, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Teamwork Barnstar
I knew this was gonna happen, regarding the Young Gun, but people are so quick to jump to conclusions without evidence. So thank you. Trillfendi (talk) 20:59, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
Cut-down days are tough on everyone around here with 1,184 roster moves to be made in 48 hours, thanks! Eagles 24/7 (C) 21:02, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
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