User talk:Eagles247/Archive 44

XFL Template question

Hi i'm new and I would like to know what is the reason behind creating the "XFL_roster_templates" for 2020 xfl rosters only? I mean why not just add the 2020 rosters to the "XFL_templates"?
XFL_templates = all 2001 xfl teams staff + all 2001 xfl teams roster + all 2020 xfl teams staff
XFL_roster_templates = all 2020 xfl teams roster
Thank you! Mifoi123 (talk) 16:57, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

@Mifoi123: Are you referring to categories? Eagles 24/7 (C) 16:59, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

@Mifoi123: I see what you're referring to, the categories are a little messy right now because the 2020 XFL is separate from the 2001 XFL so we had to make new categories for it. I've moved the 2020 staff templates to its own category, if you have any other questions please let me know. Eagles 24/7 (C) 17:05, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Ok, has long as everything is working properly, it's all good. Thank you for the swift response! :) Mifoi123 (talk) 19:25, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

XFL team rosters abbreviation

Hello, I see that on the xfl website that they have the st-louis battlehawks above the seattle dragons because "sa" is above "se" alphabetically. What are the rules of ordering alphabetically here on wikipedia? I understand that "st" is after "se" but "st" is not a word... It is an abbreviation of "saint". So how does it work? Thank you! Mifoi123 (talk) 19:44, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

@Mifoi123: I'm not sure if there are specific guidelines written out for this issue, but I think it makes more sense to alphabetize by the exact spelling instead of if you spelled the word out how it'd be alphabetized. Eagles 24/7 (C) 13:26, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Khalif Mitchell

I was ready to source them from tweets and everything after reverting it. The stuff will be sourced. In the future, if you can just send me a message saying to source them or they’ll be removed. That’d be great. Thanks.

AjayTO (talk) 13:58, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

@AjayTO: Feel free to add sources at the same time you add back controversial claims or at least provide an edit summary with your intentions. Eagles 24/7 (C) 13:59, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Punters/Kickers in the Super Bowl articles

Hi, I noticed you removed my edits to add the kickers in the "Starting lineups" page for II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX, X, XI, XII, XIII, XIV, and XV. You've got a good amount of experience on the site, appreciate your help. I am aiming for accuracy here. My goal is to make sure the kicking crew is mentioned as participating in the game. I noticed across Wikipedia these articles currently list the kickers in the lineup section (my point is your rule has not been evenly enforced, so if you want to enforce these articles are also incorrect):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_I#Starting_lineups

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XXII#Starting_lineups

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XXIV#Starting_lineups

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XXV#Starting_lineups

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XXVIII#Starting_lineups

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XXIX#Starting_lineups

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XXX#Starting_lineups

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XXXI#Starting_lineups

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XXXII#Starting_lineups

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XXXIII#Starting_lineups

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XXXIV#Starting_lineups

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XXXV#Starting_lineups

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XXXVI#Starting_lineups

Is there a better way to list all of the kickers on these articles than in the lineup section if the NFL standard is that they are not listed as "starting" players? Can we add a separate section that is distinct from lineup like there is for officials? Perhaps "Kicking", "Special Teams", etc.? Also, I trust you but do you have a source on the kickers and punters not being considered in the starting lineup even if the official documents do not list them (i.e. a secondary source that isn't the raw data from the gamebooks (example http://www.nflgsis.com/1981/Post/04/14062/Gamebook.pdf)? Thanks for your help. TheWikiJedi (talk) 16:40, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

@TheWikiJedi: Thanks for the message. I was not aware that kickers were listed in the starting lineups in those articles above, and now understand why you were trying to be consistent and add them to other Super Bowl articles. These are players who see the field for about 10% of each game, and if we made special mention of them I think we'd have to mention every other reserve offensive and defensive player in the game as well who saw minimal game action. I would support adding kicking and punting stats to the "Individual leaders" sections for these articles, but anything further might need consensus at the NFL WikiProject talk page. The official documentation from the NFL is what we go off of, and other stats pages support this as well like pro-football-reference.com. If this answer is not satisfactory for you, feel free to start a talk page discussion at WT:NFL and see what other editors think. Otherwise, would you be willing to help out and remove the specialists from those articles you mentioned above? Thanks! Eagles 24/7 (C) 22:56, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick response, that sounds like a good plan. It still amazes me how fast people see these edits when I make them. Normally my edits are pretty minor, but this was one of my few major edits. I'll try the NFL talk page, see what people think.TheWikiJedi (talk) 23:10, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Quinton Flowers

Hi, I saw that on the 2020-01-28T12:30:32 you moved Quinton Flowers from the QB to the RB and that you removed his dual identity (QB/RB) from him... That's why I added a reference to him directly to avoid further removal. I understand that reference is redundant. Can you share with me what is the reason of the removal of his dual identity? Mifoi123 (talk) 21:54, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

@Mifoi123: I think someone else moved him from the QB section to the RB section, and I removed the additional “RB” text as redundant. Typically on these templates the additional position parameter is used when there’s a guy who plays multiple positions (like TE and FB for example) so we put him in under his primary position category and then add the secondary position as text. Eagles 24/7 (C) 22:51, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Casey_Sayles

Hi, I just created my first article Draft:Casey_Sayles and I just read that it may take a whopping 4 months for it to be reviewed!!! Since I used the NFL template is there a way that you or someone else can review it since it is pretty decent (but not perfect) imo? I'm asking because I want to create a few more in the coming days... Thank you! :) Mifoi123 (talk) 15:21, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

@Mifoi123: Hi, thanks for the message! It looks like you worked hard on the draft, and we sincerely appreciate your enthusiasm. I'm afraid Sayles may not be notable enough to warrant his own article on Wikipedia at this time, however. For a topic to be notable enough for inclusion here, it must meet the general notability guidelines, which states that it must have "received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". This article about Lamar Jackson winning the MVP would be an example of a third-party reliable source significantly covering a notable subject. When I did a quick check of Sayles' coverage through newspapers.com, it appears to be only passing mentions in articles instead of detailed biographical coverage. As a rule of thumb, for professional American football players, we can assume they are notable if they have played in an NFL game, CFL game, or AFL game in their career (according to the gridiron football player notability guideline). Until Sayles plays in a top-level professional football game, it might be best to wait to create an article for him. The next question is "Well, when he plays in the XFL this weekend, won't that count?" The XFL will likely be viewed as a minor league, similarly to the AAF, as the players they have signed are ones who weren't good enough to be in the NFL. If you still want to create an article that is very likely to be notable per the guidelines I have mentioned above, there are hundreds of former NFL players who have played in at least one NFL game who still don't have articles, and while it's not as fun as creating articles for players currently playing, it would be a big help if you wanted to contribute: Wikipedia:WikiProject National Football League/Articles to create. I don't want to discourage you from editing, we could really use your help for this upcoming XFL season, and I remember as a new editor over 10 years ago how fun and fulfilling it was to create articles for current players. Eagles 24/7 (C) 16:12, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

Ok, it looks like you can read my mind! :) So now, how and when can we discuss/update the gridiron football player notability guideline to include the XFL as a 100% professional league. Pros (potentially millions of viewers, high attendance, the CFL is included and the XFL has arguably better talent) vs Cons (potential failure of the league after or during year 1, low viewership, low attendance). "The XFL will likely be viewed as a minor league" I 100% disagree with that "opinion" because the CFL is full of NFL cuts. I know that there is clearly a bedate that needs to happen about it... Until then, I'll keep Casey Sayles on hold. Thank you! :) Mifoi123 (talk) 16:59, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

@Mifoi123: I somewhat agree with you that the CFL would be a similar case, but the reason it's included is because Canadian football is different than American football, so the CFL would be the highest-level of professional Canadian football. WP:NGRIDIRON is more of a rule of thumb than an inclusion/exclusion criteria. If someone passes WP:NGRIDIRON, they will likely pass WP:GNG and should warrant an article on Wikipedia. From an FAQ at the top of the page: "The topic-specific notability guidelines described on this page do not replace the general notability guideline. They are intended only to stop an article from being quickly deleted when there is very strong reason to believe that significant, independent, non-routine, non-promotional secondary coverage from reliable sources are available, given sufficient time to locate them." Minor league does not mean the league isn't considered professional, it just means it's not the top level of the sport. If you want to start a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports) to discuss changing WP:NGRIDIRON or at least acknowledge the XFL in the guideline somewhere, feel free to do so at any time. Eagles 24/7 (C) 17:31, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

Request

Can you move David Wilson (American football, born 1991) to David Wilson (running back)?-- Yankees10 00:05, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

And David Nelson (American football, born 1986) back to David Nelson (American football), since the other player doesn't even have an article yet?-- Yankees10 00:07, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

Oh man, it looks like this user made a bunch of these moves that goes against DAB standards.-- Yankees10 00:11, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

I'll send that user a message, looks like they jumped right to point #4 at Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(sportspeople)#Gridiron_football and missed #2. Eagles 24/7 (C) 00:17, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

@Yankees10: I've moved the David Wilson RB page back. Eagles 24/7 (C) 20:48, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Sources are not content

Sources are not content based on your miss actions at De'Veon Smith. Primary sources like miamidolphins.com are not recommended sources per WP:V - WP:SELFPUB, etc. Spshu (talk) 20:11, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

@Spshu: There is actual text that you deleted too, please read it carefully. The Dolphins website is not a primary source if the subject (De'Veon Smith) is not the team itself. Eagles 24/7 (C) 20:17, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

NFL Season v. Employment Year

I'm curious about the consistency of your logic. For the Seahawks, you want to represent Grigson time as 2018 and 2019 seasons (even though he worked with the Seahawks until February 14, 2020 {note he is still listed on the Seahawks staff webpage as of February 15, 2020}). Yet, for his time with the Colts, you are okay to represent his time as 2012-2016, which are the years he was employed, not the seasons (he left after the 2015 season). Since scouts are on contracts (typically, two years and Spring-to-Spring), does it really makes sense to tie their employment to NFL seasons?? HoosierHonorStudent (talk) 01:52, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

@HoosierHonorStudent: I agree with you there, the article you previously cited was only about the 2019 season's playoff run so I assumed his contract expired after the season or something. I'll revert back to have his tenure end in 2020. Eagles 24/7 (C) 01:54, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

@HoosierHonorStudent: What do you think about the Browns' tenure? The article says he was no longer a member of the staff in January 2018, but the only reference is to the team's staff page. Eagles 24/7 (C) 01:59, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

@Eagles247: Thank you for the 2020. I noticed I had some faulty logic in that initial post, but I think it's fair to state his tenure with the Seahawks extended beyond the "2019 Season" into 2020. The Browns (first stint) is more challenging. I have no memory (or evidence) of that transition. My gut says 2017-2018 would be more accurate for Employment (not NFL Season); however, it seems clear Dorsey did not want him around for the 2018 Draft/Season. So, I think 2017 is a fair representation. HoosierHonorStudent (talk) 02:58, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

@HoosierHonorStudent: I believe you are correct, and I agree. If I remember correctly, the end of the 2017 season was when the Browns cleaned out their front office (again), and that included team president Sashi Brown, so I would be surprised if Grigson was still there for any part of the 2018 calendar year. Thanks for the messages! Eagles 24/7 (C) 03:21, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Bradham

Bradham needs to wait until march 18 until he is a free agent. Doesn’t he? Jcoolbro (talk) 13:07, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

@Jcoolbro: He had his option declined on Tuesday, and if that were the only transaction that would indeed be the case. However, the Eagles decided to outright release him yesterday to allow him a jump-start on free agency, so he is immediately a free agent. Eagles 24/7 (C) 13:09, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Okay. So this is different from other scenereos such as Phillip Rivers? Jcoolbro (talk) 13:11, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

@Jcoolbro: Yes. In Rivers' case, his contract is up on March 18. The Chargers have not released him, they've only announced that they won't be re-signing him to a new contract. They could still release him between now and March 18 to allow him to become a free agent sooner, but unless/until that happens he's still a member of the Chargers for now. Eagles 24/7 (C) 13:13, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Robby Anderson

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2868738-jets-rumors-robby-anderson-seeking-10m-annually-on-next-contract-as-free-agent It’s not vandalism, he’s becoming a free agent, now it will be official on March 18th, but it’s not “vandalism” — Preceding unsigned comment added by BradleyMamba24 (talk • contribs) 15:48, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

@BradleyMamba24: It is vandalism to deliberately change something that you know is not yet true for another three weeks. Eagles 24/7 (C) 15:50, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Tom Brady edit

Brady and Eli are not rivals?! Hahaha...no. Dude, they played each other in two of the greatest Super Bowls ever! And Peyton...well, we all know that story. The Mannings are Brady's rivals, and we have to say that. Somewhere, anywhere. That's a part of Brady's legacy. You can't just leave it out! Mk8mlyb (talk) 22:20, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Do you consider Troy Aikman and Jim Kelly rivals for playing each other in two Super Bowls as well? Bottom line, Brady and Eli aren't rivals and there aren't reliable sources that say so. Even if they were, it's not helpful to force his name in again randomly. There is already an article about Peyton and Brady's rivalry at Tom Brady–Peyton Manning rivalry, readers can go there if they want to know more about it. Random insertion of Peyton into the article that already mentions him 16 times is not constructive. Eagles 24/7 (C) 13:32, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Aikman and Kelly played each other in two Super Bowls. Brady and Eli played each other in two of the greatest Super Bowls ever. Eli managed to do what it took Peyton three tries to do: knock off Brady and the Patriots in the biggest game of the year. You've got to admit, Brady and Eli have a special relationship. So what gives? Mk8mlyb (talk) 14:44, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

I do not agree that those were two of the greatest Super Bowls ever. It is impossible for Peyton to have beaten Brady in a Super Bowl because they've always played in the same conference. I do not think Brady and Eli have "a special relationship". Eagles 24/7 (C) 14:53, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Trent Edwards

Hi Eagles247, we meet again. It seems there is a general consensus that Edwards did in fact decline or lose his confidence after the concussion, which is probably one of the NFL's most notable cases. The source specifically says "After the bye week in Week 6, Edwards came back with one of his most efficient performances of his career against the San Diego Chargers, but many onlookers stated that Edwards was never quite the same after the Wilson hit."
--WuTang94 (talk) 01:03, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

@WuTang94: Thanks for the message, I missed that part in the article. I don’t personally remember Edwards’ concussion, so I wasn’t sure if it was original research or not after not locating it initially in the reference. Can you find an additional source to support the statement? The article says “many onlookers” without specifically mentioning anyone, but if this is true there must be more sources available. If this is the best and only source available, I don’t think the statement would belong in the lead as it’s only a brief passing mention and might be better suited for the body per WP:UNDUE. If it’s as notable as you say, and there are references to support that, then I have no problem adding it back in to the lead. Eagles 24/7 (C) 01:13, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

@Eagles247: Good point. Maybe I'll put in a different sentence in the intro summarizing his entire Bills career instead of just focusing on the concussion, but I think the sentence regarding people believing Edwards declined could fit into the body as you said. --WuTang94 (talk) 01:43, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Johnny Manziel

"Nurture" is missing a letter. I confirmed this misspelling was present in the original title, so just tagged it "sic" so it could be ignored if encountered by future editors. A "sic|hidden" tag might have done the same job less conspicuously. Will Sandberg (talk) 14:52, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

@Will Sandberg: Thanks for the explanation, I looked at the word five times and didn't notice the issue. I'm going to correct the spelling per the instructions at MOS:SIC about insignificant spelling/typographical errors. Eagles 24/7 (C) 15:05, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Eli Manning

Thanks for your recent assistance re: Eli Manning. I wouldn't have normally picked it up but I decided to take a leap of faith and AGF the editor since they did contribute to the article before. I realize now that was my mistake. Still a little annoyed my first GA review didn't work out as planned and if you ever want a QPQ feel free to reach out . HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 21:14, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

@HickoryOughtShirt?4: Gah, sorry to hear this was your first GA review. I know GAN is always backlogged, so I hope this doesn't deter you from reviewing again (just be sure the nominator cares about the article!). Thanks for your help and patience! Eagles 24/7 (C) 21:22, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Zach Moore

He is not retired so you cannot call him a former player if he is still considering playing Truth0990 (talk) 22:42, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

@Truth0990: I am also still considering playing in the NFL, but that doesn't make me an active player. On Wikipedia in general we change player articles to say "former" once a year has passed since they last received "real" interest (meaning, a workout, visit, signing, etc.). Since Moore has not received any "real" interest in a year, it is safe to assume he is a former player until something changes. Eagles 24/7 (C) 22:44, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

LeSean McCoy

First I owe you an apology. You sent me a respectful message and because i did not get a notification in my email, i presumed (to my blame) that you were just being a troll. I'm sorry, Eagles. I've dealt with trolls in the past who are powermongers. I am hoping you are not one.

Second, through careful research both in the link that i provided and through careful and meticulous research from pro-football-reference.com, i found this information and provided it because i think it is a noteworthy accolade. But neither yardbarker nor pro-football-reference has a "Hey, these are the list of top rb's by yardage". I had to sit there and calculate them all myself with the help of a collegue. If you take exception to the reference, instead of deleting the fact, please assist me in providing what you want. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paisan1 (talk • contribs) 21:47, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

@Paisan1: Thanks for the apology, I've rescinded the message from your talk page regarding the name calling. I agree that it might be noteworthy to include the McCoy figure, but only if there is an appropriate source that explicitly states this statistic. Wikipedia has a rule against original research in articles, and it appears that is what you wanted to include here. I'll do a search for this information, but if there isn't anything explicitly stating this statistic, we unfortunately cannot include it. Eagles 24/7 (C) 21:52, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

@Paisan1: Found one, I'll re-add it. Eagles 24/7 (C) 21:54, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

I'm eager to see it. Thank you. I tried ... and failed. Peace. Stay away from crowds of 50 or more!  :-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paisan1 (talk • contribs) 21:58, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

3RR

Consider this your warning for violating the 3RR on Tom Brady. Further reverts will be taken to WP:AN3. Thanks. Nihlus 13:23, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

@Nihlus: First reversion was to remove unsourced information from a BLP. Second reversion was to remove unsourced information from a BLP. I've been keeping NFL player pages in line for the past few days during this two-day negotiation period in which contracts cannot be finalized. I'd like to get some feedback from other American sports administrators to see if they agree I've overstepped here. If that's the case I'll pull back for the future. @Bagumba: @Muboshgu: @Gonzo fan2007: @Cbl62: Eagles 24/7 (C) 13:41, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

There was no negative information being added to a BLP, so your edits would not fall under a 3RR exception. Additionally, using rollback for anything other than blatant vandalism is against policy. Nihlus 14:42, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

I disagree with your interpretation of 3RR in this case ("Removing contentious material that is [...] unsourced, or poorly sourced according to our biographies of living persons (BLP) policy"), but I will acknowledge that using the simple rollback command for one or more of these edits was probably not the best action to take. However, I left talk page messages for the first two editors I reverted explaining my reversion, and I've already left a similar message to the third editor about a different page. Eagles 24/7 (C) 15:06, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

And now, because I do not feel it appropriate due to your "warning" I cannot undo the current changes to the article that state Brady is a free agent (which is factually untrue and against consensus from WP:NFL). Eagles 24/7 (C) 15:10, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

It was unsourced (and untrue) that he's a free agent yet. I would allow the reverts as exemptions. As for Brady's tweet, the WP:ONUS is on editors who want it included to establish consensus once the bold edits were reverted. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 16:01, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi. I think you're very close to getting blocked for violating 3RR on Marcus Mariota. You also seem to be confusing Eastern Daylight Time, which we're currently in, and Eastern Standard Time. --MZMcBride (talk) 20:47, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

"Expected to be a backup to Derek Carr" is a violation of WP:CRYSTAL, especially since Mariota cannot officially sign with the team until tomorrow. Please see WP:RSBREAKING and the list at Template talk:Uw-sportstrans of premature transactions reported that later fell through without ever actually happening. My reversions on Mariota's article so far: reverting a factual inaccuracy that also didn't have a source. reverting the addition of a premature transaction that cannot be official until tomorrow. reverting the addition of a premature transaction without a source (I then blocked the user for persistently making such edits). reverting the addition of a premature transaction reverting premature information that violates CRYSTAL and RSBREAKING. These reverts are exempt from 3RR as explained above. I am monitoring hundreds of pending NFL free agent articles, and I'm not keeping track of how many reverts I'm performing on each article. Thanks for the time zone information, but reverting my revert here and threatening to have me blocked does not seem to indicate a willingness to actually collaborate on this subject. Eagles 24/7 (C) 21:10, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

I'm curious which part of Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a crystal ball you think is applicable here. As that section notes, we regularly report on speculative information if there are sufficient sources. And most of that section seems focused on standalone articles, not sentences within existing articles.

I certainly noticed your recent behavior of semi-protecting articles, warning users, and blocking them. This feels incredibly hostile to me, especially when users are clearly trying to make good-faith edits to the encyclopedia to keep it up-to-date.

You seem to have positioned yourself as a guardian or protector of the wiki, or at least the parts that relate to NFL players. That can be okay, we want passionate editors, but it has its limits. The 3RR policy applies to you as much as it applies to anyone else. And you and I both know that simply because the article is a BLP is not a blanket exemption to the rule. On the contrary, our policy makes it explicit that this exemption is controversial and often a poor idea to cite except in the most clear cases.

I'll try to put it another way: if you were not an admin, your multiple reverts to multiple articles over the past 24 hours would almost certainly have resulted in a block from a trigger-happy admin such as yourself. :-) --MZMcBride (talk) 22:53, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

The first two sentences of WP:CRYSTAL are what I believe are applicable here: "Wikipedia is not a collection of unverifiable speculation or presumptions. Wikipedia does not predict the future." Mariota is not currently on the Raiders (and cannot even sign with the Raiders until tomorrow at 4PM) so it is predicting the future to not only say he's on the team but to also say he's expected to back up Derek Carr this season. If you made the addition after 4PM tomorrow, and after the team subsequently announced the transaction, I would have no problem whatsoever. There is no harm in waiting a day or two, as WP:RSBREAKING states, especially when there are users who disagree with the timing of your edit. This is a battle the "regulars" for the NFL, MLB, NBA, etc subprojects deal with during these high-activity weeks like free agency, trade deadlines, and final roster cuts, where "reports" are numerous and team confirmations come late. Once free agency opens up tomorrow at 4PM, my reign as supreme guardian of the wiki will be over and edits shall pass through the gates unharmed and unaltered. (This is an attempt at humor, but my point is that once the league year opens up it is much more likely that edits made to NFL player articles can be sourced properly and accurately and I won't feel the need to be as active bonking bad edits and mass-protecting pages that are subject to high levels of unsourced additions.)

If you have specific concerns about any of the blocks I've made in the past two days, please let me know and I'll be happy to discuss them. I am open to criticism, and I believe it's the best way to improve as an editor. Many of these users ignore the big box on the tops of articles stating that we are waiting for official confirmation from teams, or even the commented out portions in infoboxes explaining that players cannot sign with teams until March 18 at 4PM, and go ahead and add in a reported signing. I revert, add the very informative and well-worded template Template:Uw-sportstrans created by Bagumba to their talk page, and if after all that they still add in reported signings despite the official free agency period not even being open or attempting to discuss with me or anyone else, I've issued a short-term block. Eagles 24/7 (C) 23:37, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

This was a good reply and I appreciate it. --MZMcBride (talk) 08:16, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Mario Addison

Hi, you said I did not provide a reliable source for the signing of Mario Addison by the Buffalo Bills yesterday, and therefore, it was unreliable. However, I did provide a source for this signing right here. Now, I understand if this shouldn't be added until it is official with the new league year next year, but I believe an ESPN source should be enough to justify my edit. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gcjimmerson (talk • contribs) 16:49, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

@Gcjimmerson: Thanks for the message. During the NFL free agency negotiation period, no signings can be official. The ESPN article is based on anonymous sources, which we cannot accept on Wikipedia. Please also read WP:RSBREAKING for guidance on relying on news articles during "breaking news". Eagles 24/7 (C) 16:54, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Marcus Sherels

You said I didn't have a source about Sherels but today is the start of the new league year and everyone is officially a free agent today. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.89.20.5 (talk) 16:50, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Unblock request

Please see an unblock request from User talk:73.93.155.127. He is covered by a recent rangeblock that you placed. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 01:45, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

@EdJohnston: From the few previous edits that specific IP address has made, it doesn't appear they are the user evading the block. However, that range is pretty dynamic and it seems that even if it were possible to unblock only one IP address from a rangeblock, their IP would likely change in a day or two. What do you think? Eagles 24/7 (C) 14:51, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

I was just forwarding his request to you so that the right person would see it. There is no particular reason I can see to lift the block. Since it is ACB, he won't be able to create an account. Maybe you could offer your assistance to him in creating an account, if he wants to consider that option. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 15:55, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

@EdJohnston: I've left a message there. In the meantime, I think you can safely decline the unblock request. Eagles 24/7 (C) 16:12, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Melvin Gordon to Denver Broncos

Melvin Gordon has already made the deal bud 8htrbbbur (talk) 17:10, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

@8htrbbbur: According to who, bud? Eagles 24/7 (C) 17:16, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Look for youself 8htrbbbur (talk) 17:17, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

@8htrbbbur: That's not how Wikipedia works, you need to add sources to articles. It looks like nothing has been confirmed yet, so there won't be any yet. Eagles 24/7 (C) 17:18, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Oh okay I was just letting the media know that he went to the Broncos 8htrbbbur (talk) 17:20, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

@8htrbbbur: I hope you're joking, reporters have more integrity than relying on what random people on Wikipedia post. Eagles 24/7 (C) 17:21, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

He signed two years with them 8htrbbbur (talk) 17:42, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Brandon Scherff

My apologies about my mistake. I misread his draft spot. Will not happen again. Also, go to 2013 Patriots season. There is an issue there.WakandaForever188 (talk) 20:18, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

@WakandaForever188: Found the error and fixed it. Eagles 24/7 (C) 20:27, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Nick Foles

I thought Nick Foles, being traded to the Bears from the Jaguars, had been made official already, hence why I had initially added him to the Chicago Bears roster page. But if you want, I can stop trying to update the NFL roster pages altogether. VigiLante01 (talk) 22:18, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello, I was the person who made the edit for Nick Foles on his page. You also commented on my talk page, hence why I'm here. The Bears have already made the move official, hence why I changed the Wikipedia page. I will be reverting the change you made but I will add the Bears' tweet as a citation. If you have any additional questions, please feel free to add to my talk page. Thank you Thomasgilbertie (talk) 14:11, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

@Thomasgilbertie: The Bears have not made the move official, they've only stated that there is a report from the NFL Network that they have acquired Foles. As the Bears also stated, they cannot announce transactions as official until they actually are official. Please see WP:RSBREAKING and WP:SPORTSTRANS for more information. Eagles 24/7 (C) 14:20, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

@Eagles247: The move is all but done. Teams in the past have put these graphics and announcements out when the trade is close to happening. It's also worth noting that physicals have been suspended due to the coronavirus, so basically no trade or free agency move that happened yesterday and beyond, or any free agency/trade move that has not been made official is not going to be official until the coronavirus pandemic has passed. Also just realized that you did put a protection on the page for some reason, so I will not undo your edit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thomasgilbertie (talk • contribs) 14:30, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

@Thomasgilbertie: I saw the article about the physicals from this morning, the NFL just put out a statement saying players may still get physicals from third-party physicians who are not members of the NFL Physicians Society. Many free agent moves that were previously reported are slowly becoming official as players take physicals locally, it's better to just be patient (for instance, the Case Keenum signing that was originally reported on March 16 was just announced by the Browns as official a few minutes ago). Eventually, all of these moves will be officially announced and there's no harm in waiting. See this list of previous sports transactions that were "reported" but eventually fell through. If you'd like to weigh in on a similar discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#Pending_trades_and_signings, feel free to do so, but the general consensus among NFL editors here is to wait for the official announcements from teams. Eagles 24/7 (C) 14:39, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

References

Hoyer Announcement

Hello. In my return edit, I included a reference to the signing being highlighted by the NFL twitter page. Is this reference enough?

--Bmax999 (talk) 20:09, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

@Bmax999: In general, until the signing has been officially announced by the team it is better to wait to add signing information. Please see WP:SPORTSTRANS and the discussion being held at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#Pending_trades_and_signings. Eagles 24/7 (C) 12:02, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Dante Fowler Jr.

May I edit the Dante Fowler Jr. page to make him a Falcon? The signing has been verified and it is past the March 18th date which makes the signing official. In fact, many other players have made the transition to their new team and Fowler is the only one I recall who is still on his original team. Cordially, TarheelBornBred. 22/March/2020 —Preceding undated comment added 23:24, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

@TarheelBornBred: You can change his page to reflect his status as a free agent (that happened on March 18), but his signing with the Falcons has still not been officially announced by the team. There are 150+ player transactions that are currently still awaiting official confirmation. Eagles 24/7 (C) 12:03, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Phillip Walker

Apparently you said that I forgot to provide a reliable cite. I made that mistake but it is not an apparent signing, it's been confirmed from websites like Bleacher Report, CBS Sports, it is also on NFL Live, a confirmed certified of NFL's. — Preceding unsigned comment added by QuestionizedMarker (talk • contribs) 18:33, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Nikell Robey Coleman

I need help reverting edits on Nickell Robey-Coleman page. There is speculation he will be joining the eagles but I don't think anything is confirmed. Jcoolbro (talk) 17:49, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

@Jcoolbro: Reverted to last good version and semi-protected the page for a month. Once his signing is official the protection can be lifted. Thanks! Eagles 24/7 (C) 17:53, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

@Eagles247: Okay. Hopefully this will be a good signing. Go Eagles! Jcoolbro (talk) 17:57, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Clarification

You've been doing this longer than I have, so I thought it best to ask you so I know for the future. When the official site for the team has an article talking about a player "agreeing to terms" is that when it's warranted to edit that player's page? Thank you for all the edits that you do by the way. I see you all over the place. Not like that's a bad thing. HauntingStomper (talk) 22:19, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

@HauntingStomper: I appreciate the kind words, I've seen you around the XFL pages a bit and you've been doing a nice job. I'm also not sure of how we want to show pages for players that have "agreed to terms" now, I just started a discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#Request_for_input if you want to weigh in as well. Eagles 24/7 (C) 22:24, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Admin help/advice

WP:ANI says to just message an admin directly to skip all the drama. Could you take a look at Clay Jenkins and its talk page? There are some WP:BLP issues that I would like to get sorted out. I asked Bearcat to take a look as well but he seems busy at the moment. If you're also busy, could you let me know so I can ask another admin? Thanks.  Bait30  ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 21:31, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

@Bait30: I found a reliable source with his full birth date and provided it on the talk page. I'm not seeing much administrative action to take here, you both made four reverts over the course of several days and neither qualify for a breach of 3RR or any kind of disruptive editing. The other user eventually removed FamilySearch as a reference per your request, and you both discussed on the talk page. Thank you for avoiding the drama of ANI, and I hope I've helped the situation. Eagles 24/7 (C) 21:45, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

I saw that. Thanks for the help!  Bait30  ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 21:48, 28 March 2020 (UTC)