User talk:Fergananim/ArchieveXIV

O'Neills etc.[edit]

Just a friendly word of advice - if your going to make additions to articles, add a citation otherwise you are adding original research into the articles. I notice you have made quite a few such edits, all of which can be challenged. Also helps to check the grammer, as in at least one article you made it awkward to read. Mabuska ^(talk) 11:12, 19 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the heads-up, Mabuska. Will add the relevant links as soon as possible. Feel free to correct my grammer too! Fergananim (talk) 19:05, 20 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, will do when I get time to take a more thorough check. It does really help improve articles when additions are sourced as then people can find out who and where the information came from allowing it to be easier to be verified. Mabuska ^(talk) 13:41, 23 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Gillabhrenainn Ua hAnradhain[edit]

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Is this relevant?[edit]

Is the huge talk page at Talk:Richard Óge Martyn relevant to the main page. If not, I think that it should be deleted. Snowman (talk) 18:51, 6 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It is against policy to use a talk page in this way so I moved the wall of text to a more suitable testing place. I hope you don't mind Fergananim that I took the liberty of creating a sandbox in your user name User_talk:Fergananim/Sandbox where you can work away on it. Mabuska ^(talk) 11:40, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

O'Shaughnessey's[edit]

I've recently come across Roger O'Shaughnessey, Roger Gilla Dubh Ó Seachnasaigh, Dermott Ó Seachnasaigh and other assorted articles which where created by you. Due to the lack of any real information on them or anything that makes notable enough for their own article I suggest that these articles all be merged into a single article called O'Shaughnessey family pr Ó Seachnasaigh family or something. Mabuska ^(talk) 17:00, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In fact merging them into this article you created: Cenél Áeda na hEchtge, would more than suffice. Mabuska ^(talk) 21:15, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletion of Chronology of Irish History to 1976[edit]

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Roger O'Shaughness(e)y[edit]

Looking at Category:People stubs I found Roger O'Shaughnessey and Roger O'Shaughnessey adjacent, and looking at their articles I'm almost certain they're one man: death dates a year apart, wives of nearly the same name and parentage; forfeited estates on death. I don't know anything about Irish history, but have proposed a merge and am dropping this note on the talk pages of two editors who seem to be Irish specialists and have edited both pages in the past. Over to you. PamD 15:02, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Fine by me, work away! Fergananim (talk) 15:30, 7 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Move request on Thomas Keightley (historian)[edit]

As past editor to the article, you are encouraged to participate in the discussion at Talk:Thomas Keightley (historian) to rename Thomas Keightley (historian)→Thomas Keightley since requirements of usage and lasting significance under WP:PRIMARYTOPIC appear to be easily met. Also "Thomas Keightley (historian)" would seem to be a misleading label to many nowadays who recognize him as mythology/folklore writer primarily.
The issue at stake is that I find that the notability of Thomas Keightley the writer overwhelms that of the past politician of the same name, and that I don't particularly like "Thomas Keightley (historian)" label since I and others know him primarily as mythographer/folklorist as perhaps you may. I can't claim to have in-depth knowledge on Irish matters, though I often contribute relating to the mythology. --Kiyoweap (talk) 14:39, 9 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Wayne Hennessey[edit]

Hi, because the article didn't mention/cite him being of Irish descent. Cheers, Mattythewhite (talk) 15:12, 15 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Tom Burke[edit]

What sources do you have to support Burke being of Irish descent? You can't assume someone is of Irish descent just because they have a vaguely Irish name. – Pee Jay 16:20, 15 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm genuinely flabbergasted that you think Burke is a 'vaguely Irish name' ... Fergananim (talk) 16:22, 15 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm genuinely flabbergasted that you think you can add information to an article without a source. – Pee Jay 16:23, 15 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, point taken about sources, but I'm stunned to think you'd need sources to back up surnames as obviously Irish as Burke, Cassidy (surname), Connolly (surname), Flynn, Hennessey, O'Shaughnessy, O'Sullivan, Lynch (surname). Seriously? Fergananim (talk) 16:30, 15 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

All information needs sources. Who says that any of the Welsh people you've tagged are of Irish descent? – Pee Jay 16:32, 15 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You ARE actually kidding, right? Where else do you think those surnames originate? Fergananim (talk) 16:35, 15 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't matter what I think. All that matters is what the sources say, and you don't have any to say that any of those people are of Irish descent, just your own original research. – Pee Jay 16:37, 15 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

But I CAN back this up with what the sources say. That's why I included those categories concerning the surnames, above. Fergananim (talk) 16:54, 15 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

But you can't prove that any of those specific people are of Irish descent. – Pee Jay 17:17, 15 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Fergananim, I'd have to agree that there is an issue with verifiability here. The origins of surnames are often very unclear. Not only that, but you have no evidence that these people's families haven't adopted these surnames randomly at some stage in the past. So, unfortunately, I don't think you can go on surname alone. Deb (talk) 11:30, 17 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate the message. However it is wrong to say that "The origins of surnames are often very unclear." Irish surnames are the oldest in Europe, the majority of them having very clear and verified origins. The majority of them were adopted between the 10th and 12th centuries, and the process can be observed in Irish annals. While I could accept that a few of these families may have adopted their surnames randomly, it beggars belief that all of them did, and that none have any Irish connections. Irish surnames are indicative of Irish descent (as opposed to Irish forenames) - should we remove the category from everyone outside of Ireland who claim Irish descent? What about Welsh surnames, or indeed English and Scottish ones? Before I go any further, can you please explain to me your understanding of how surnames were adopted generally, and the process in Ireland? I am rather gob-smacked at what you say, but again I'm willing to discuss it. Cheers, Fergananim (talk) 15:46, 20 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The Category:Irish Roman Catholics category is for "Members of the Roman Catholic Church, either past or present for whom their membership was or is a defining characteristic or related to their notability and where the person has self-identified as a Roman Catholic". (My emphasis added). As such, it shouldn't be added by default to articles about murder victims. Regards, Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 15:06, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ah. Ooops. Thanks! Fergananim (talk) 02:04, 1 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Notability of articles[edit]

Hi Fergananim

I've noticed that a few of your articles appear to be being pulled up for a lack of notability.

If you havent seen it before there is guidance available on how to evidence the notability of your articles under WP:NOTE

If the articles are still under design and may meet notability criteria when fully referenced and completed then it may be worth creating them in your sandbox page to prevetn an unnessecary deletion of work in progress

Hope that helps Amortias (T)(C) 21:35, 8 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. The fault is entirely mine, as I've not been as active as times past, and have forgotten some of the criteria. Cheers, Fergananim (talk) 09:27, 10 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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I agree with you, O'Dea. Usually I don't comment when articles of mine are up for deletion, as obviously its something other editors should judge. As I said elsewhere, its obvious I need to re-read the guidelines (which I've not done in many a year) and abide by them. Much appreciated, Fergananim (talk) 18:01, 17 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks for your message. Of course the Irish are a distinct people. I wasn't questioning that. But at some time they were not a unified people populating what became 'Ireland'. Because of the controversies in this article I am merely asking for you to provide a source about the statement that the 'Irish' as a distinct group populated the islands along with the Anglo Saxons (and many other tribes or peoples) during this period. My understanding is that what became to be called the 'Irish' people were already present in Ireland prior to the Roman occupation of 'England' and therefore prior to the various migrations of people after the Romans left. It will help prevent others reverting your edits if you provide sources when editing controversial articles. It is probably better to take any further discussion or reasons for your edits to the articles talk page rather than each of ours. Robynthehode (talk) 21:07, 24 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Celtic edits[edit]

You seem on a campaign to change most uses of "Celtic" to "Irish". Sure, "Celtic" is a notoriously unsatisfactory term, whose meaning tends to dissolve when inspected closely, but if it just meant "Irish", then academic sources would not still find it useful and necessary to use it. From some of your changes, you don't seem very familiar with parts of the subject area, so I suggest going cautiously, if at all. Johnbod (talk) 14:01, 9 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

If at all possible I leave Celtic alone when appropriate, as it certainly does have very valid and deeply useful applications. However, too many times it is used instead of 'Gaelic-Irish', 'Irish', 'the Irish langauge' et al. I don't understand this, especially as we should try to use terms correctly on Wikipedia. Its primary correct use in modern times is as a linguistic definition; it has none on matters of ethnicity, nationality, religeon, race, art - except of course in popular use which as ever is wildly incorrect. 14:21, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

There is extensive academic literature on what "Celtic" can or should mean in a variety of contexts. There is a need for some term, and this very unsatisfactory one has taken the slot. Certainly its use for ethnicity is beating a slow retreat, but it remains an entirely viable term in art history and many other cultural fields. Your edits are POV and OR and mostly inappropriate. Since there is usually a Welsh, Scottish, and even English dimension in these areas, just substituting "Irish" won't do at all. You are also changing referenced text to say something different from what the (unchanged) references say. Johnbod (talk) 14:30, 9 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Just to add in the occasional tendency to remove sourced information without apparently reading it and stating that the sourced statement is based on incorrect assumptions without providing evidence to back up such claims. Mabuska ^(talk) 15:36, 9 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Soured material is not always correct. The only correct use of the term Celtic is as a linguistic defintion. Every other application you may see - ethnic, national, art, cultural, muscial, DNA - are all wrong. Fergananim (talk) 17:06, 14 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate that Wikipedia is open to editing by anyone, but the problem with that means that quite a few rely on popular sources that do not always use terms correctly, or indeed themselves only understand its popular stereotypical uses. This problem is made worse by the fact that most of those who edit it rely on Anglocentric material, which continue to be based on 19th century ideas ("The real problem with “Anglo-Saxon” and “Celtic” is with the labels themselves - holdovers from the racial imperialism of the nineteenth-century” - Michael Newton's review of James P. Cantrell's "How Celtic Culture Invented Southern Literature", e-Keltoi 1, 2006, 2006, p. 11). When I have the time, I will re-edit some - only some - of the reverted material and try to make the use of terms more understandable (for example, noting that Dougall/Dugald is "Scots-Gaelic" instead of "Celtic"; the former being the language the forename is derived from, the latter being not a language but the term for a group of modern languages, with no ethnic application whatsoever). Likewise, if the term 'Celtic' is applied in an ethnic sense then I will remove it and replace it with the names of the actual ethnic groups concerned, be they Irish or British. In science it matters very much to know what terms mean and how they may be applied. Why not in history? Fergananim (talk) 18:00, 14 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Clan Donald reversion[edit]

In answer to your points raised. You are going to have to find a source to back up the information you want in the articles.QuintusPetillius (talk) 17:12, 9 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

For the now obselete term, 'the British Isles', see Norman Davis's "Vanished Kingdoms", 2011, p. 42, and "The Isles: A History", 1999, p. xxii (Quote: "the Isles' became British by monarchical criteria in 1603 and constitutionally in 1801. They ceased to be British in 1949 [2011] … though few in the British residue have yet cared to notice.”[1999]). For the only correct use of the term Celtic, see “Redefining the Celts”, by John Collis, in Kelten am Rhein: Proceedings of the Thirteenth International Congress of Celtic Studies, 23-27 July 2007, Bonn: Part 2, Philologie: sprachen un Literaturen, 2010, pp. 33-43(Quote from page 35:"It is essential that we do not transfer the definition in the modern world ... to the ancient world as it causes considerable confusion in our attempts to interpret what was going on - in the Classical world Celtic was an ethnic concept, and possibly in some cases geographical or administrative (e.g., the Roman name of the province). When ancient authors use the term celtice, they are referring to the language spoken by ethnic Celts, not a language belonging to the Celtic language group as we do today.”). If you could add these for me I would be much obliged. Is mise, Fergananim (talk) 17:20, 14 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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More "Celtic" edits[edit]

Hi Fergananim, I've now reverted several of your changes to articles removing the term "Celtic". I see above that this issue has been brought up with you before. You're absolutely correct that the term is problematic and in many cases can be easily replaced with something else. However, there are still cases where it remains the conventional term and there isn't a better replacement. In the context of Celtic Christianity, there's a lot of nonsense floating around out there, but that won't be resolved by simply changing the terms. This is especially so when incorrect terms are substituted, as you've done in several places. For instance, "Celtic" can't be replaced with "Irish", let alone "Irish and English" when talking about the Easter dating, monastic tonsure, etc. "Celtic" remains the conventional term in these instances, even though "Celticity" has little to do with the correspondences between Irish and British use. Similarly, on Celtic harp, you've made a number of edits that appear to be contradictory and incorrect. Please try to be more careful with these edits.--Cúchullain ^t/c 18:56, 30 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough, which is why I have gone to some trouble to be careful with these recent edits. I used the terms Irish in place of Celtic in an ethnic sense, while I used Irish and English to reflect the fact that many English did in fact adopt these Irish practises because they became Christian via the Irish. I AM been careful, so please ask before you do any more reverts such as you did with Celtic harp. In fact, I'll turn the tables around - seeing as you are the one who did the reverts, please explain to me when and where use of the terms 'Celtic' or 'Celt' is apprropriate. Otherwise I won't understand the basis of even your reverts. Is mise, Fergananim (talk) 19:01, 30 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

When you get reverted, as you have been a fair bit lately, the best next step is to go to the talk page to hash it out. I explained the issue at Celtic harp, and several others have at Wilfrid. I can leave similar comments at Celtic Christianity and elsewhere. The main issue is that your changes seem a bit haphazard. As I say, "Celtic" is still in wide use to refer to the common traits of early medieval Irish and Brittonic Christianity. The ethnic or national terms simply aren't adequate replacements as they don't cover the entire topic. Additionally, when modern revivalists use "Celtic", it similarly can't be replaced in a lot of cases. For instance, in my edits here, Ian Bradley isn't talking about language when he says most practitioners aren't "Celtic". He means that they're typically English people with no close connection to the "Celtic countries".--Cúchullain ^t/c 19:12, 30 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

But as the scholarly parts of those articles and their sources make clear, just because a term "is in wide use" does not make it correct. My changes are not haphazard, they are based on knowledge. If you asked why I did such and such change I could explain - for example in the heading I placed the two terms from Gaelic together, as I did with the two Brythonic terms. That at least makes good linguistic and historic sense, whereas the original and reverted use mix them together carelessly. Likewise when noting that "Celtic harp" is an English term mainly used in the USA - the original Gaelic and Brythonic terms mentioned in the article demonstrate this. The latter point also shows there is no common Celtic term for them, so even on that point use of the term Celtic falls. Likewise I can explain each and all the reverts I did at Wilfrid and Celtic Christianity, and have tried very briefly to do so in edit summaries. Fergananim (talk) 19:35, 30 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Where is the evidence that the phrase "Celtic harp" is mainly used in the USA? Is there evidence beyond general changes in language that the harp had different names before the mid-19th century?--Cúchullain ^t/c 19:44, 30 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Where else do you hear it used? It is not used here in Ireland - or Britain - and all the article websites calling it that are all in the USA. Almost none of the Irish sources mention the term at all. Generally, 'Celtic' is a term Americans use when they really mean Irish; its something they picked up from the English, who first used the term to denote any or all things Irish. But it has no provenence in Irish sources - becuase its not a word the Irish (or the Scots, Welsh, or Bretons) used. That's why its important to note actual terms from the cultures concerned, not English or American popular terms. Fergananim (talk) 20:06, 30 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm well aware of the history of the term "Celtic". If you want to introduce changes, you need to back them up with sources. I tend to doubt a source will be forthcoming that the term is mostly used in the US, and at any rate, article has much bigger problems than that; as I say, it doesn't explain the distinction between the Irish harp and the Welsh harp. That problem isn't going to be solved by going back and forth over what "Celtic" means in other contexts.--Cúchullain ^t/c 20:22, 30 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

" If you want to introduce changes, you need to back them up with sources". I have. Fergananim (talk) 15:24, 1 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Stephen Lynch[edit]

Hello. I came across two articles you created back in 2010, Stephen Lynch fitz Dominick Dubh and Stephen Lynch (mayor). They appear to be about the same person, but details differ. I know nothing of the subject, so I might just be confused. Should these articles be merged? Station1 (talk) 15:15, 19 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, well spotted! Yes please merge - may I suggest as Stephen Lynch fitz Dominick Dubh? Simply because adding his patronymic (attested use) would distinguish him from all other Stephen Lynch's. Would you consider deleting the following articles I created, as I think they are all too minor to merit an article? Ruben of Dairinis, Malsachanus, Fothadh an Fili, Loisin an Fili, Marcus Seoige, Jerome Alley, Adrian James Martyn, Tomás Laighléis, Seán Mac Brádaigh, Laurentius of Echternach. Cheers, Fergananim (talk) 20:17, 19 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Merged as suggested. However, the two Civic Offices templates are in conflict and I have no way of sorting that out, so you might want to take a look when you have time. I left both in the article temporarily. As to deletions, I'm not an admin, so I'm afraid I have no special powers in that regard. Station1 (talk) 05:10, 20 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Hmm, the reason is because he was Mayor on more than one occasion and that seemed the best way to reflect that. Might have to revisit it at some point. Remind me how to contact an admin. Fergananim (talk) 13:50, 20 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  - I don't usually contact admins, but I found Wikipedia:Requests for administrator attention. Hope that helps. Station1 (talk) 22:49, 20 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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