User talk:ForeverJustice

December 2018

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Good Day, I'm User:ForeverJustice. The edit that was made was not a test and should have not been removed.

Welcome!

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How to write articles that won't be deleted

If you're going to write an article about anyone or anything that is not you or something you are connected to, here are the steps you should follow:

1) Choose a topic whose notability is attested by discussions of it in several reliable independent sources.

2) Gather as many professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources you can find. Google Books is a good resource for this. Also, while search engine resutls are tnot sources, they are where you can find sources. Just remember that they need to be professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources.

3) Focus on just the ones that are not dependent upon or affiliated with the subject, but still specifically about the subject and providing in-depth coverage (not passing mentions). If you do not have at least three such sources, the subject is not yet notable and trying to write an article at this point will only fail.

4) Summarize those sources left after step 3, adding citations at the end of them. You'll want to do this in a program with little/no formatting, like Microsoft Notepad or Notepad++, and not in something like Microsoft Word or LibreOffice Writer. Make sure this summary is just bare statement of facts, phrased in a way that even someone who hates the subject can agree with.

5) Combine overlapping summaries (without arriving at new statements that no individual source supports) where possible, repeating citations as needed.

6) Paraphrase the whole thing just to be extra sure you've avoided any copyright violations or plagiarism.

7) Use the Article wizard to post this draft and wait for approval.

8) Expand the article using sources you put aside in step 3 (but make sure they don't make up more than half the sources for the article, and make sure that affiliated sources don't make up more than half of that).

Doing something besides those steps typically results in the article not being approved, or even in its deletion.

If you are writing about yourself, or someone or something you are connected with (such as a friend, family member, or your business), the following steps are different:

1) If the subject really was notable, you wouldn't need to write the article. Remember that articles are owned by the Wikipedia community as a whole, not the article subject or the article author. If you do not want other people to write about you, then starting an article about yourself is a bad idea.

8a) If the article is accepted, never edit it again. Instead, make edit requests on the article's talk page.

8b) If the article is rejected, there will be a reason given. Read it carefully and closely. If there are links in the reason, open them and read those pages.

Looking over the deleted article, I noticed that many of the independent sources, like this one, only mention Foward in passing (that is, he is not the primary subject of the source). Ian.thomson (talk) 17:45, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

• I have moved the Foward article to User:ForeverJustice/sandbox. I recommend not re-using the old material except for sources (and you might still need to find other sources), following the instructions above. Ian.thomson (talk) 18:39, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

@ForeverJustice: I too am a new user. Joined in mid November. Three articles published so far, and lots of edits onm other articles. I am a real nooby, Click on my Talk link at to the right of my user name and it will take you to my user:talk page. This talk page is the place to discuss needed edits. I can even start it off for you if you can identify one of sentences or paragraphs with a reference. But having 40 references in the lead paragraph is too much and impossible to verify as a reference (citation) has to match the subject. Also when responding ping me using the format, I used to ping you (which you see by looking at source edit.I am not much help as I am still struggling with WP, but I have already stumbled over some of the same bricks as you. Pinging in another possible source of help Yngvadottir apologies for getting you involved.Oldperson (talk) 20:44, 25 December 2018 (UTC) ForeverJusticeI copied citation 2 to First sentence of Civil Rights career, to get you started. If that citation is in the correct place, then you should edit and remove citation 2.Oldperson (talk) 21:00, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi ForeverJustice, hi again Oldperson: in response to ping I took a bit of a look at the Teahouse and at the draft and edited the draft a little bit. ForeverJustice, the reference numbers are inserted automatically at the point in the text where you put the reference between <ref> and </ref> tags, and the reference itself then appears with the same number at the bottom. Therefore, the references should each be inserted immediately following what they support; the main purpose is to let the reader either check the information or read more. I formatted one reference to use citation templates; those are not mandatory, and some people find them confusing, but the WMF's instructional video uses them and they do avoid having the URL sit there visibly and separate from the title. If you'd rather do it manually, here's my formula for a non-templated reference to an article in a newspaper or on a website (note the space after the URL and the use of square brackets): <ref>Author, [URL "title"], ''Website, newspaper, or magazine name'', date.</ref> I wanted to add the date of that newspaper reference but found I couldn't get to it via the URL supplied and Google didn't have an article starting with those words. This is ok if you are using a database to which you have a subscription, but if there is an archive link that anybody can use, use that URL instead. And please include all information, including date, author/reporter's name, whether the article is by the Associated Press, Reuters, AFP or some other news agency (citation template parameter: agency=), and accurate headline wording. I haven't looked at the rest of the references you had at the end of the lead in the earlier version of the article, but many or all of those are probably usable; they need to be inserted after the correct sentences or parts of sentences (after any punctuation, please). It's good practice not to have any references in the lead except for stuff like where you got the person's date of birth or nickname from, because it's just an intro: the specifics of their career should all be in the body paragraphs, which is why I moved the last half of the lead down to the section on his Civil Rights career. Does that make any kind of sense now? Yngvadottir (talk) 22:09, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Refs not in a correct format, and many of them are broken (do not connect). Here is an example of a ref to a website. You will see how it looks by clicking on "edit' for this series of comments. To use it, copy it to where you have a ref, then replace the url, title and website with your information. Insert date published and date you accessed it. If your information does not have a named person, leave last= and first = with no information after the equal sign. Persevere. David notMD (talk) 13:10, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

References

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Good Day Scott User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao, I saw your interview today and it was great. I need some assistance writing an article that some of the other editors keep on deleting. ForeverJustice (talk) 16:43, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

Civil Rights Activist

Good Day Scott User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao, I saw your interview today on CBS and it was great. I need some assistance writing an article on Civil Rights Activist "Derrick Lee Foward" that some of the other Wikipedia editors keep on deleting.

Good Day Scott User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao, I saw your interview on CBS and it was great. I need some assistance writing an article on Civil Rights Activist "Derrick Lee Foward" that some of the other Wikipedia editors keep on deleting. ForeverJustice (talk) 18:25, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

You would need to talk to the editors that have been deleting the article and ask them what their concerns are. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 18:55, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

Good Day Scott User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao, I believe if you created the article, it will not get deleted. It's a good thing I saved all of the information before they deleted the article. The Wright State University library started the article on Civil Rights Activist "Derrick Lee Foward" and then I added more notable information and the editors considered it to be advertisement which I don't understand as the article looked like many other articles that are on the Wikipedia page. I can send you the information on Derrick Lee Foward. ForeverJustice (talk) 21:41, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Articles which I have written are subject to the same rules as others; they can, and will, be deleted if they don't meet the guidelines. I would recommend that you speak to the editor who deleted the article for further guidance. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 22:00, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:Dayton Unit NAACP

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A tag has been placed on Draft:Dayton Unit NAACP requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to be an unambiguous copyright infringement. This page appears to be a direct copy from https://naacpdayton.org/organization-history. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images taken from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted. You may use external websites or other printed material as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing.

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Dayton Unit NAACP (December 29)

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Captain Eek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 06:46, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

Once again: How to write articles that won't be deleted

If you're going to write an article about anyone or anything that is not you or something you are connected to, here are the steps you should follow:

1) Choose a topic whose notability is attested by discussions of it in several reliable independent sources.

2) Gather as many professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources you can find. Google Books is a good resource for this. Also, while search engine results are not sources, they are where you can find sources. Just remember that they need to be professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources.

3) Focus on just the ones that are not dependent upon or affiliated with the subject, but still specifically about the subject and providing in-depth coverage (not passing mentions). If you do not have at least three such sources, the subject is not yet notable and trying to write an article at this point will only fail.

4) Summarize those sources left after step 3, adding citations at the end of them. You'll want to do this in a program with little/no formatting, like Microsoft Notepad or Notepad++, and not in something like Microsoft Word or LibreOffice Writer. Make sure this summary is just bare statement of facts, phrased in a way that even someone who hates the subject can agree with.

5) Combine overlapping summaries where possible (without arriving at new statements that no individual source supports), repeating citations as needed.

6) Paraphrase the whole thing just to be extra sure you've avoided any copyright violations or plagiarism.

7) Use the Article wizard to post this draft and wait for approval.

8) Expand the article using sources you put aside in step 3 (but make sure they don't make up more than half the sources for the article, and make sure that affiliated sources don't make up more than half of that).

Doing something besides those steps typically results in the article not being approved, or even in its deletion.

If you are writing about yourself, or someone or something you are connected with (such as a friend, family member, or your business), the following steps are different:

1) If the subject really was notable, you wouldn't need to write the article. Remember that articles are owned by the Wikipedia community as a whole, not the article subject or the article author. If you do not want other people to write about you, then starting an article about yourself is a bad idea.

8a) If the article is accepted, never edit it again. Instead, make edit requests on the article's talk page.

8b) If the article is rejected, there will be a reason given. Read it carefully and closely. If there are links in the reason, open them and read those pages.

If you keep violating our policies on copyright violations, we will have to block you to protect the site from legal trouble. Ian.thomson (talk) 07:10, 29 December 2019 (UTC)