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Changing an article heading

How do you the heading of your article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hopewell Ayanda (talk • contribs) 11:07, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi Hopewell Ayanda. Wikipedia:Moving a page describes how to move a page to a new title. —teb728 t c 11:13, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Obituary

Some while ago I was instrumental in creating a page on Wikipedia (bibliography of my father,Wing Commander Douglas Rivers Bagnall). I would like to check if it is in order to copy/paste sections of the obituary appearing on 3Jan 2001 in The Daily Telegraph in the relevant sections of this bibliography.Rgds Graham BagnallGrahamBagnall (talk) 13:37, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Hello GrahamBagnall, and welcome to the Teahouse. You may WP:QUOTE but not WP:COPYPASTE, in short that means you can copypaste a little if you do it right. At a glance, Douglas Rivers Bagnall looks ok to me, but you should be aware of Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:36, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

MOS:CAPS in citation

I am working on Becky Lynch to make it a featured article. However, one of the main concerns is the number of external links in CAPS in the references section. Is there any efficient way to fix this? Thanks! Ikhtiar H (talk) 12:23, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

In addition to that, the dates in the citations needs to be converted to month first from day first. Ikhtiar H (talk) 13:20, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Ikhtiar H I've converted the dates using this script. Not sure about the other issue though, sorry. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:38, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Rejected article

I have written an article about Jasna Horvat which was reviewed, accepted and then removed. The user Scope creep left a comment "Fairly low H-index for subject asserting WP:NPROF. Needs proper examination by review". I'd very much like some help to put the article up again. The page URL is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Jasna_Horvat — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hidrogen (talk • contribs) 11:01, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

H-index The person does not seem notable currently, and many of your sources arent great either. (Does facebook seem like a reliable source?) It was pulled for that and being reviewed by a sock. In addition, the infobox is almost useless. WelpThatWorked (talk) 16:30, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

@Hidrogen: Hello, and thanks for your question. One of the less obvious things about Wikipedia is that writing a new article is one of the most difficult things, normally best tackled only by editors who have been making improvements to existing articles for a while. Wikipedia has a number of policies and guidelines about new articles, and the one that matters here is called "notability" - it determines whether a particular subject should have a dedicated Wikipedia article or not. There are guidelines for different types of subjects: for academics the relevant guideline can be found by following this link to WP:NPROF. Simply being a professor or having some books published is not enough - the article needs to show how the person meets the criteria listed there. And there need to be independent, reliable sources to verify those facts. Please read those 9 criteria carefully, and consider whether there are good sources to show she meets them. If so, write the article based on those sources. If not, the article should wait until she achieves greater notability. If you're not sure, you could discuss the evidence with the original reviewer or ask again here. Good luck. --Gronk Oz (talk) 22:36, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the original reviewer has been blocked for sockpuppetry, Gronk Oz. Hidrogen, I will add a template to the draft that allows you to resubmit it for review, but before you do so, I suggest that you ensure that it is fully supported by references to reliable sources. There shouldn't be anything in an article that can't be supported by a published source. Cordless Larry (talk) 18:45, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Where has Visual Editor gone??!!

Hello - I recently made some changes to a stub that someone else had created, about my grandfather F J Browne: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_James_Browne I did this using Visual Editor, which I found to be great. Today I wanted to add a reference, and I can't find how to get into Visual Editor. What am I doing wrong?

Thanks - David Hurford I do need to use Visual Editor - I don't have time for anything more complicated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JazzBadger (talk • contribs) 18:42, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

I clicked on your embedded link and it took me to his article page, clicked on edit and it opened to Visual edit (click the pencil icon on the right and it will switch to source editOldperson (talk) 19:56, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Can i view deleted and old pages?

Please may i get permission to see deleted pages plz?? I wld like to see through an deleted page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GK1000 (talk • contribs) 19:46, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

@GK1000: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Only administrators can view deleted pages, as allowing everyone to would defeat the purpose of deletion. To be an administrator you need to build up over years an edit history that shows you understand Wikipedia policies and practices, and be approved by the community. 331dot (talk) 19:56, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

I believe that you can ask an admin to see a specific deleted page. It doesn't mean that you will see it, or that they will let you see anything more than headings (deleting the text and images)Oldperson (talk) 20:05, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Creating an article

Hello everyone. I am interested in creating articles but I do not know how. Can anyone help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cundtgas (talk • contribs) 18:55, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Your first article Nick Moyes (talk) 22:35, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Feedback

[REDACTED-Thegooduser] — Preceding unsigned comment added by RealEmperorOfJerusalem (talk • contribs) 22:41, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

@RealEmperorOfJerusalem: Welcome to the Teahouse. Do you have a question about editing Wikipedia? This is solely what we're here for, and links to other content are of no relevance to us. Please don't post links to off-wiki downloadable files - these could easily contain viruses and be of harm to other users. I don't understand why you link to an affadavit, nor did I read through it. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:50, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

I strongly suspect OP is WP:NOTHERE. Ian.thomson (talk) 22:51, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Follow-up to The Lasting Bible

Muninnbot sent a message to me, received today, 12/23/18 around 2pm (EST). Here it is, “Hi Paul G. Humber! You created a thread called The Lasting Bible at Wikipedia:Teahouse, but it has been archived because there was no discussion for a few days. You can still find the archived discussion here. If you have any additional questions that weren't answered then, please create a new thread.”

Muninnbot, thanks for informing me. Would you be willing to help? There had been communication (2 days ago). The one who apparently rejected my submission emailed me as follows:

From: Roger W Haworth To: Paul G. Humber Sent: Fri, Dec 21, 2018 1:07 pm Subject: Re: Please Help

I did not think that the title was User:Paul G. Humber/sandbox - I knew perfectly well that that was the title. Kindly have the decency to wait until a) the book actually becomes notable and b) someone with no CoI writes about it in Wikipedia. Roger W. Haworth

I responded to him—same day:

Thanks, Roger, for responding. When I click on my sandbox, this comes up, “A page with this title has previously been moved or deleted. If you are creating a new page with different content, please continue. If you are recreating a page similar to the previously deleted page, or are unsure, please first contact the user(s) who performed the action(s) listed below. 10:27, 19 December 2018 RHaworth (talk | contribs) deleted page User:Paul G. Humber/sandbox (G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion) (thank)”
It also says, “To start a page called User:Paul G. Humber/sandbox, type in the box below.” Can you see why I thought the title was misunderstood? Why would I want to start a page called that? Since I am new to the system, I may have made an error of some kind.
The doctor who championed hand-washing was Hungarian doctor, Ignaz Semmelweis. Can you imagine the disappointment he may have felt in promoting good medical practice when experiencing rejection—maybe with words like yours, “Kindly have the decency to wait until your method becomes notable and someone other than yourself promotes it.” According to the Wiki article about him, you can see these words, “his ideas were rejected by the medical community.” Eventually, his views prevailed, but it is sad that women likely died due to the delay.
Are you a philosopher? Englishman Thomas Hobbes was, and his views were right in line with concerns I have. This 17th century philosopher, in his masterwork Leviathan, wrote, “Another general error is from the misinterpretation of the words eternal life, everlasting death, and the second death. For though we read plainly in Holy Scripture that God created Adam in an estate of living for ever, which was conditional, that is to say, if he disobeyed not His commandment; which was not essential to human nature, but consequent to the virtue of the tree of life, whereof he had liberty to eat, as long as he had not sinned; and that he was thrust out of Paradise after he had sinned, lest he should eat thereof, and live for ever; and that Christ's Passion is a discharge of sin to all that believe on Him, and by consequence, a restitution of eternal life to all the faithful, and to them only: yet the doctrine is now and hath been a long time far otherwise; namely, that every man hath eternity of life by nature, inasmuch as his soul is immortal” (p438).
By “otherwise,” he was referring to the prevalent then (and even now) view, but it seems he assumed that “everlasting” was/is a good rendering for the Greek aionios, but it is not. The Greek word means lasting and is durationally indeterminate (can refer to either temporal or eternal things). The English translation, thus, should be equivalent to the Greek, but it is not. Forever is not durationally flexible, but both aionios (Greek) and lasting (English) are. Both can accommodate durational variance—temporal or eternal. Hobbes used the word “conditional” above, in line with “conditional immortality.” I am not aware of any Bible that gets aionios (NT Greek) and olam (Hebrew OT) consistently right. I may be something like Semmelweis—discerning something that needs to change.
On p. 445, Hobbes affirmed, “But there be other places of the New Testament where an immortality seemeth to be directly attributed to the wicked. For it is evident that they shall all rise to judgement. And it is said besides, in many places, that they shall go into "everlasting fire, everlasting torments, everlasting punishments; and that the worm of conscience never dieth"; and all this is comprehended in the word everlasting death, which is ordinarily interpreted "everlasting life in torments": and yet I can find nowhere that any man shall live in torments everlastingly.”
Again, he was struggling with the mistranslation, everlasting. It is sad that translators have used everlasting rather than lasting. He may not have been aware that Jesus actually nullified the mistranslation in Lk 12:47-48 and Matt 10:28. There Jesus taught proportional punishment and eventual cessation-of-being for the wicked. The word often mistranslated “everlasting” (with durational inflexibility) means lasting.
He is not the only one to recognize this problem. There are others, like Clement of Rome, Ignatius of Antioch, Justin Martyr, Irenaeus of Lyon, Defender-of-the Faith Athanasius, Martin Luther, William Tyndale, William Gladstone, Richard Weymouth, Harriet Beecher Stowe, C. S. Lewis, Clark H. Pinnock, F. F. Bruce, John Stott, Philip Hughes, and many more.
Again, if you would be willing to shepherd me through this new (for me) process—how, for example, I should diminish CoI and include references to Hobbes, etc., I would appreciate it. I realize this might take some of your time. Could I pay for services? Jesus said that a laborer is worth of his hire.
Thanks for your consideration, Paul.

Muninnbot, would you be willing to help me? Thank at least for helping a little. --Paul G. Humber (talk) 20:08, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi Paul, Muninnbot is a bot -- a program that automatically performs routine actions.

I can tell that you're passionate about your project. But you don't add articles on Wikipedia to gain attention and notability for your ideas; you gain attention and notability for your ideas, and then Wikipedia articles reflect that. An encyclopedia wouldn't have documented Ignaz Semmelweis's theories until evidence supporting them accrued and the profession began adopting them. Schazjmd (talk) 20:22, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, Schazjmd, or are you a "bot". Sorry, I don't know much about bots. Anyway, assuming you are real (not a bot), could I write something about many down through history who have promoted conditional immortality--in addition to some who have been mentioned in the Wiki article? The Wiki article has some, but many more could be added.Paul G. Humber (talk) 21:53, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Hello Paul G. Humber. A bot is an automatic program - a "robot": all bots (and only bots) should have user names ending with "bot". You can write about a subject if you can find reliably published sources that discuss that subject in some depth, and the you can summarise what those sources say. You should not include anything not found in your sources, and in particular you should not include any theory, argument, judgment, or conclusion which does not come directly from a single one of your sources (not even one that you reach by synthesising what two or more of the sources say). Please see Original research. --ColinFine (talk) 23:31, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, Colin. I hope I am allowed to say thanks. Also, is it possible to delete my The Lasting Bible thread, or are they kept regardless? Thanks again, Paul G. Humber (talk) 23:42, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

My first reaction was to dismiss you with: the only shepherding I am willing to do is shepherd you as far away from Wikipedia as possible. But I will make a few more comments. It is impossible to diminish your CoI - you edited that edition of the bible!

Get your version listed on this page.

Get your version reviewed in the Church Times, The Tablet, the Methodist Recorder, The Friend, similar publications for other British denominations and in other countries. When it has received sufficient glowing reviews follow this advice. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:45, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Discussions at Teahouse are moved to an archive so that only the most recent are on screen.

Huggle

How can I link my TW CSD log to Huggle? --Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 22:31, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Thegooduser. May I wish you seasons greetings and ask if you think you've now achieved a sensible balance between your school work and your Wikipedia activities? You are certainly progressing well, and I fear your question may be a little too technical for the Teahouse. I did a search through the WP:Huggle archives, and could only find this post of any relevance. It's a good question, so I'd suggest you ask it at the Talk page of the Huggle page so that others can also benefit from the answer. I've only briefly dabbled with Huggle, but maybe others here can advise. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:30, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Ac Aceca - Triumph Engine

Why does my post keep getting deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AC.ACECA (talk • contribs) 02:29, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Hello AC.ACECA The two users who reverted you gave edit summaries indicating that they considered your additions promotional and that you were saying too much about a minor point. Please do not continue adding content when you are reverted, it is considered Wikipedia:Edit warring. Instead discuss your additions on the article talk page to achieve consensus. —teb728 t c 03:16, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Can you make an article about Cyber Songman and Otomachi Una

They're Vocaloids by Yamaha. Cyber Diva and Fukase are already in this Wiki so how about them?

User:WernerHFan

Hello, WernerHFan, and welcome to the Teahouse. The way Wikipedia works is that everything is done by volunteers: you're perfectly at liberty to ask for something, but whether it happens or not depends on whether some volunteer editor decides to pick up your suggestion. Posting your request here is allowed, but there are other places where you are more likely to find somebody to pick it up. The general place to request articles is as Requested articles; but the truth is that the take-up rate there is quite low. Other possibilities are to find an appropriate Wikiproject and ask there; or to contact the editor who created those two articles, Angel Emfrbl, and see if they are interested (I have just pinged them, so they should see this discussion). Something you can usefully do, though, is look for reliable independent sources which talk about those vocaloids; because if there are not such sources yet, then no article is possible.

Thank you for putting your user name at the end of your post here; but if you sign with four tildes (~~~~) the software will automatically add your username and the time and date. --ColinFine (talk) 09:54, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Youtube videos as citation

I have seen several articles using youtube videos as citation. What do the Wikipedia guidelines say about this? And can I have a link to it. Thank you --Canti60 (talk) 09:40, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Canti60. The answer is that this is sometimes allowed, but mostly not. The guideline is as WP:YOUTUBE (and in general, if you want guidance on a particular topic, it often works to put that topic in the search box preceded by "WP:"). --ColinFine (talk) 09:57, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Follow-up to How to write an Wikipedia article

how long does it take to rename your wikipedia account? i requested on Friday and i still get no answer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by გრინვეი (talk • contribs) 12:58, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

If you look at your request at Wikipedia:Changing username/Simple, გრინვეი, you'll see that there is a reply to your request, which requires your response. Cordless Larry (talk) 13:01, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Sandbox Questions

I made a little practice edit in My Sandbox, and in trying to save it to experiment with later, I clicked the Publish button, and, naturally it was deleted by User:KylieTastic (Thanks, again, Kylie!) So now my Sandbox User:DaKine/sandbox has this big ol' Template sitting on it. So my questions are: How do I get rid of the template (I'm NOT going to resubmit), create a sandbox I can try edits out on, and save the edits to work on after I log off Wikipedia and return later without publishing the changes? DaKine (talk) 02:03, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

DaKine, I've removed the template.

Kylie came to your draft and chose to slap that decline-template because whilst publishing, you had inserted the code:-{{subst:submit}}which (post-transclusion) indicated that you have a potential article for review.

It will be prudential to note that over here, publishing is a variant of save and clicking that button (without any insertion of the above code) will just save your sandbox and let you work/practice wiki-editing without any interference. ∯WBG^converse 07:02, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi DaKine, yes you are free to remove such notices from pages in your user area - however I have done so for you here as it was still there. You can also remove the notice from your talk page as well if you want. And no worries about the accidental submission, these things happen. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 12:03, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Thank you both, User:Winged Blades of Godric and User:KylieTastic. I appreciate your friendly support. We all want to keep Wikipedia an accurate encyclopedia and a frienly community.DaKine (talk) 13:35, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

T'was The Night Before Wikimas

With best wishes to everyone from all the hosts at the Teahouse. We'll still be here to help you over the Christmas period, of course. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:40, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia is confusing Al Magharibia Channel with Al Magharibia TV

To whom it may concern, Al Magharibia Channel in youtube is erroneously being described by Wikipedia as a Moroccan Public Broadcast service because it is confusing it with the Moroccan Al Magharibia TV (one word). This site is rather an Algerian opposition channel. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hguesmia (talk • contribs) 15:28, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Please edit this, i have a new source!!

List of highest grossing indian movies. Movie =The Villain. Language=kannada. Box office collection =100crore+. Source=ttps://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ibtimes.co.in/villain-box-office-collection-prem-score-first-rs-100-crore-movie-sandalwood-783712

Add h to ttp: at the starting of the source

I would really appreciate the one who edits this.

Thank you --— Preceding unsigned comment added by Anchitya (talk • contribs) 2018-12-24T14:55:34 (UTC)

Anchitya. I'm sure IBT is a reliable source for some things. That article is a reliable source that Manohar claimed that it had taken Rs 35 crore in four days: it is not a reliable source for the claim itself. And the article does not even claim that The Villain took Rs 100 crore: just that one of the distributors predicted it would do so. It also says that "trade sources" have given different figures from those.

Unless you can find a solid, reliable source, wholly unconnected with the distributors or the film in any way, that categorically states that it took over 100 crore, then I advise you to drop the stick and turn your attention elsewhere. And please sign your posts here and on other talk and discussion pages --ColinFine (talk) 15:50, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

How to upload your own photograph to English Wikipedia

I uploaded a photo of Cynthia Nielsen (which I own) to Wikicommons and posted it on Cynthia Nielsen's page. It was deleted. I am new to Wikipedia and am not sure how to proceed. Can someone help me to correctly upload the image? (Unfortunately, I am not super tech-savy.) Thanks in advance for any help you have time to offer. Kzolatova (talk) 16:37, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Did you actually take the photograph yourself? Dbfirs 16:43, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Yes. The photo was also used on Academia.edu, and since I own and took the picture myself, I thought it would be okay to use the same photo that had been posted there (https://udallas.academia.edu/CynthiaNielsen). I have the original photo on my computer and can upload it to show you, if that helps.Kzolatova (talk) 16:57, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

The problem is that academia.edu claims copyright. I don't know your exact contract with that organisation. Did you transfer copyright when you uploaded the photo to that site? Dbfirs 17:10, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

I don't recall any copyright agreement. I simply uploaded the image. If I can have the image removed from Academia.edu, which I believe I can, could I then re-upload it to Wikipedia Commons, and, as it were, start from scratch? By the way, thank you for the interaction and help. I appreciate it. Kzolatova (talk) 17:16, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

I'm not familiar with American copyright law, but that seems a reasonable option to me, though I'm not a lawyer. You could also take another photo. Dbfirs 17:21, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Last question, and thanks again. If I upload a different photo (that I own and that I took myself) to Wikipedia Commons--one that has not been posted on any site on the Internet--then it should be okay and I won't be breaking any rules, etc.? Kzolatova (talk) 17:24, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Yes, Wikipedia:Uploading images gives full instructions. You might like to use the wizard at Commons. Dbfirs 17:40, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

"Does not appear to be constructive...?"

Hi.

I added the discontinued Cadbury confectionery "Lucky Numbers" (https://www.google.com/search?q=lucky+numbers+chocolates&rlz=1C5CHFA_enGB556GB556&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwinkrT0grnfAhVRqHEKHYj6D3wQsAR6BAgEEAE&biw=1816&bih=914)

to the Lucky Number disambiguation list and had id deleted because it was "not constructive".

It was a major brand in its time, remembered by many "of a certain age" and I don't see why it's any less "constructive" than anything else on the list (see below) some of which are a lot more obscure!

Article copy

Lucky number may refer to:

A number believed to affect one's luck Lucky number combinations, an element of Chinese numerology

Contents 1 Mathematics 2 Film, TV and cartoon 3 Music 3.1 Albums 3.2 Songs Mathematics Lucky numbers generated by a particular sieve algorithm. Lucky numbers of Euler, producing prime-generating polynomials. Film, TV and cartoon Lucky Number, an animated cartoon short film featuring Donald Duck Lucky Numbers, a 2000 comedy film Lucky Number, a 2015 film Lucky Numbers (TV series), a British game show Music Albums Lucky Number: The Best of Lene Lovich, 2004 compilation album by Lene Lovich Lucky Number (album), a 2001 album by Jolin Tsai Lucky Numbers (album), a 1998 album by Frank Sinatra Songs "Lucky Number" (song), a 1979 single by Lene Lovich "Lucky Number" song by Ray Conniff, composed by Ray Conniff "Lucky Number" a song by Jolin Tsai for the 2001 album Lucky Number Disambiguation icon

My question is: What is the definition of constructive? Why, for example, is a 2001 song by Jolin Tsai more "constructive" than a product that was famous for decades, which I now see is on this "Cadbury's discontinued products" list? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.153.140.47 (talk) 18:10, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

@Geartooth: Would you mind explaining why you used a vandalism warning template for something that was patently not vandalism? Imperfectly formatted and not properly sourced? Sure. Vandalism? No. Ian.thomson (talk) 18:13, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

As an editor who created a couple "Candy Bar" related articles in the past, maybe I could offer my help to @Geartooth:? (Holy smokes! Both of those articles are #1 on Google search results!) Hamster Sandwich (talk) 19:09, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia Backlog / Articles Needing Sections

Hello! New to Wikipedia editing and practicing by going through the Wikipedia backlog.

I added new sections to the Glen Murphy page (woo hoo!).

Who removes the alerts at the top? Should I do that? (This article should be divided into sections by topic, to make it more accessible. Please help by adding section headings in accordance with Wikipedia's Manual of Style. (December 2018))

Thanks!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slhalpert (talk • contribs) 19:11, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Seasons greetings, Slhalpert, and welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, having addressed the issue, you are perfectly entitled to remove the template yourself. Look for the following line, and delete it: {{sections|date=December 2018}} Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 19:25, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Awesome, thanks Nick_Moyes!! Someone got to it before me but now I know for next time!

Not sure where to go from draft

I have an article that's saved as a draft that I'd like reviewed. It's not clear to me how to go about doing that. Any advice would be welcome. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SimiCyclist (talk • contribs) 22:42, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse SimiCyclist. Your draft was blatantly promotional and copied verbatim from the Groundlings website. What you should do is find significant coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject and summarize it from an neutral point of view in your own words. —teb728 t c 23:31, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Thank for the input. In order to continue editing, does the draft have to be moved to a new article, or is there a way to edit the draft? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SimiCyclist (talk • contribs) 23:35, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

SimiCyclist. You can continue using the draft title Draft:Steve Bluestein, but the old version was deleted for being so promotional that it would need to be fundamentally rewritten. —teb728 t c 23:47, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Weight in BLP

d:Q2709 and the biography of Sasha Grey state that her mass is 50kg, and that shaky info is imported by, e.g., c:Sasha Grey. There's no obvious reference and no qualifier (a wikidata "point in time" could make sense). Is this really as it should be in a BLP? It sounds stupid, but what happens if she eats more or less than usual until the end of 2018? From my POV that's nobody's business here, also see d:Wikidata:Project_chat#Wikidata:Living_people. –84.46.53.231 (talk) 13:08, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

I removed her height and weight as they are not sourced and they are not pertinent to her notability. No reason to keep them. ~ GB fan 14:23, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

I removed the invisibility edit. This information is common for people in the acting industry, and commonly included without referencing. David notMD (talk) 14:27, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

And I have added cn tags to them as they are unsourced and not verifiable. ~ GB fan 15:04, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. I think height is no moving target for folks over 18, unlike weight.

–84.46.53.231 (talk) 17:13, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

In the talk page archive I found a link to a vintage 2006 photo with q=Height.^[1] –84.46.53.231 (talk) 18:05, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

Obsolete mass removed from Wikidata. –84.46.52.222 (talk) 02:42, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

My vertified corrections on LP singer are being constantely deleted

Hello, I'm trying to correct the wrong information from uncensured tabloids with vertified information sources concerning LP (Laura Pergolizzi) especially her age and past history but it is constantly being deleted. What can I do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by YD65 (talk • contribs) 20:28, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

The place for discussion is on the article's talk page. You will see that the date of birth has been discussed previously. --David Biddulph (talk) 20:49, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

LP's publicity department has done an excellent job in convincing the magazines and purging information in other sources. You might like to know that her friend Alicia Godsberg was born in 1968 also. They started playing as Lionfish in 1995. It is not unusual for Wikipedia articles to show the age put out by a publicity machine. Dbfirs 09:30, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

User requesting rename

please help me, i am newbie and i am lost. where do i have to request rename? Can you please help me, give me an instructions and link . (give me feedback what to do please) — Preceding unsigned comment added by გრინვეი (talk • contribs) 07:05, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Welcome back გრინვეი. Go to Wikipedia:Changing username/Simple#გრინვეი → Lika and reply to the request that you choose a different username to change to. Apparently the name Lika is already in use. —teb728 t c 08:10, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Dear გრინვეი. Because you are very new here, and have only made less than 10 edits, just follow the advice at WP:RENAME which states: "Users who have made very few edits are encouraged to register a new account and discard the old one." So, just abandon the old account and create a completely new one. Providing you don't subsequently revert to using the old one as well, this is perfectly ok, and makes far less work for our admins to do. We have thousands of abandoned acccounts here, and you could even leave a note on the old userpage that states the new name you're now using (and vice versa), if you wish. How does that sound? Regards from the UK on this Christmas morning, Nick Moyes (talk) 10:10, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

need help guys

hey i edited an article giving out all references and resources . it also went live but the someone reverted it back please help — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chappacake (talk • contribs) 19:10, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

@Chappacake: The biggest problem was that you copied and pasted the text from one of your sources. Never do that! Always summarize and paraphrase, never copy. Ian.thomson (talk) 19:13, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

how to merge templates?

I'm assuming the process is different than for merging articles. The Verified Cactus 100% 18:41, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

You can go to WP:TFD or you can just do the merge if it is not controversial. Ruslik_Zero 20:43, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Page Was Deleted

Why was the "Derrick Lee Foward" page deleted when we have done extensive research on this individual and supplied verifiable resources? How can the page be recovered? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ForeverJustice (talk • contribs) 17:15, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

@ForeverJustice: I recommend that you review WP:G11 and WP:YFA. Regards, GAB^gab 17:19, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Page No Longer Showing In Wikipedia

The article (Derrick Lee Foward) was not promotional and a lot of facts were presented. Wikipedia sent a message that said, “We were doing great and to keep working.” We have conducted extensive research on this individual. The subject is sufficiently notable, and that notability mas verifiable through citations to reliable sources.

How can the page be recovered? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ForeverJustice (talk • contribs) 17:35, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

@ForeverJustice: Could you clarify the "we" in We have conducted extensive research on this individual...? Is the account being used by multiple users? Ian.thomson (talk) 17:41, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Clarifying the "we" in We have conducted extensive research on this individual

This is my account. I have a team of people conducting extensive research on Civil Rights Leaders. "Derrick Lee Foward" was one of those individuals.

Can you assist with recovering the page?— Preceding unsigned comment added by ForeverJustice (talk • contribs)

@ForeverJustice: I am a new editor who has had their own share of difficulties, even disputes, at least I have learned to sign my posts with tildes (Oldperson (talk) 18:32, 25 December 2018 (UTC)). You didn't sign the last one. Please acknowledge style requirrements of WPOldperson (talk) 18:32, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

@Oldperson: Go read WP:BITE. Ian.thomson (talk) 18:33, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @ForeverJustice: I can restore it as a sandbox draft in your user space so that you can use the sources in there to write a new draft. As the article was, it was hard to tell what sources support notability. I strongly recommend that you take just five sources that meet all the following points:

not connected to nor published by Foward or the NAACP
primarily and specifically about Derrick Lee Foward (not just the NAACP or something else)
professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources

...And summarize, paraphrase, and cite just those five for the new draft. That will more firmly and clearly establish notability than tacking 22 references (many not primarily about Foward or not independent) at the end of a single sentence. I left some instructions on your user talk page about that. If you just post the same article all over again, it's just going to be deleted again.

Also, instead of creating new sections, you can edit an existing section by looking to the right of the title for a button that says "edit."

Ian.thomson (talk) 18:33, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

@ForeverJustice and Ian.thomson: Is this the article?Derrek_Lee I found it via google, it looks good except that there are no references (citations)Oldperson (talk) 18:53, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

@Oldperson: No, I restored the proper article, Derrick Lee Foward to User:ForeverJustice/sandbox. Ian.thomson (talk) 19:01, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

@Ian.thomson: Interesting article. Over 40 citations, all on the lead paragraph and no where else.Oldperson (talk) 19:06, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

I should have added. I would like to help with editing, but don't know where to start. The article subject appears worthy of attentionOldperson (talk) 19:09, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

@Oldperson: Find five sources that meet the three points I explained above (independent, specifically about Foward, professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources), summarize them. More detailed instructions can be found at User:Ian.thomson/Howto. Ian.thomson (talk) 19:14, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Really, three is the minimum needed. Five is just to guarantee that notability is established. Ian.thomson (talk) 19:16, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

@Ian.thomson:I see what you mean. Google alone does not yield any results. But that raises the issue is WP merely an adjunct of google? It seems like we are since we are dependent on Google for references and citations, and it seems that everything of note or value must be accessible via interne/ Google. Then there is the subject of local or regional notability, that hasn't yet or might never reach the attention of Google. Google's algorithm as you probably know, doesn't snag everything that is available,but to be repetitious there are a lot of primary sources, like old records,books that are literally archived or on shelves and are only accessible if one can travel, read and photograph them, then there comes the question of copyvio. Horns of a dilemma.Oldperson (talk) 19:32, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Oldperson: we are absolutely not dependent on Google. Research used to happen before Google, and can still do so; for example at a major library. There is no requirement that sources be available online, and for many older subjects they are not. --ColinFine (talk) 20:17, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

ColinFineThank you, good to hear that. I have a couple of references to archives in the Public Records Office, that aren't on Google, but didn't think that they were acceptable. How does one cite such a reference?Oldperson (talk) 20:27, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Oldperson. References must have been published, which items in the Public Records Office may or may not have been. See REFB for how to cite. --ColinFine (talk) 22:11, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Submissions

Hi,

I've completed two translations and I've fine-tuned the drafts. It's not clear how to submit them for review.

I added the AFC submission template to each one. Will I see some sort of acknowledgement that they are in the queue?

Thanks, Chris — Preceding unsigned comment added by Riedener (talk • contribs) 23:54, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Are both awaiting review. You can continue to improve these articles while they are awaiting review.

This can take a little time. Please be patient

PS Please sign your posts using four tildes at the end of every talk page post. Also if you are referencing an action performed on another page, a link <---like this to the articles to which you are referring will save people some clicks.
PPS I had a brief glance at the articles and they contain references, but lack in line citations. The reviewer will probably tell you to add them and resubmit the article. You can read up on how to do this and add inline citations before your article reaches the top of the queue. If you have any further queries related to the article content, please ping me on the talk pages of the articles and I will post any further advice there. Many thanks.

Edaham (talk) 04:04, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Riedener: Welcome to the Teahouse. If you revisit both drafts you will see a very obvious header message confirming they have both submitted. I fear both may be rejected initially as being rather essay-like and not containing any inline references. You may carry on working on them whilst theyre in the AFC queue. See WP:REFBEGIN for help on adding citations. You should remove the redlinked 'Main article' templates as these are not relevant, and consider the relationship between your draft and the current page on Embroidery machine. You will also need to add a template to each to acknowledge the source for the translation. Regards Nick Moyes (talk) 04:19, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Nick Moyes & Edaham, please note that an ILC decline is only relevant for BLP drafts, so definitely not valid in this case. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 10:27, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification Nick Edaham (talk) 02:33, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

Image question

I found an image online and I want to add it to an article I created. I checked to see if there any copyright issues but google images indicated no copyright issues. Need help to verify before I post. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pilot03 (talk • contribs)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Pilot03, and seasons greetings. Had you provided a url to the page where the image sits, we might have been able to assist further. But unless there is an extremely clear licencing statement that the image is freely available for both non-commercial and commercial re-use, then you absolutely must not attempt to upload it for use in a Wikipedia article. Ignore the fact that Google doesn't tell you there's a problem. Be pro-active and look for a clear 'Creative Commons' licence statement. If there isn't one, the image cannot be used. Even then, there are various types of CC licence. Give us the url and we might be able to assist further. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:17, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for the quick response. Here is the URL to the image. None of the images have any copyright info. https://www.google.com/search?sa=G&hl=en&q=Undefeated&tbm=isch&tbs=simg:CAQSmAEJwRY9LrQ8mm4ajAELEKjU2AQaBghCCAAIAwwLELCMpwgaYQpfCAMSJ5cFmAV7uBCdBJIElAyVDPID-QnwLe0t7C37OvIt6S38Ot0u5DzdPBowqmrrrlJw-vi41yAATc1SLJNUmJfBUu6o_1yZPZHv_1KO0CLzkCaIZT-iuXshWf0grnIAQMCxCOrv4IGgoKCAgBEgR1ynZkDA&ved=0ahUKEwiT7_TrmbffAhVI7qwKHe0XDVcQ2A4ILCgB&cshid=1545611089305000&biw=1821&bih=808 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pilot03 (talk • contribs) 00:25, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the url, Pilot03. No, I'm afraid you cannot use that image. Just click on Google's 'usage rights' filter link, and select 'Labeled for reuse'. Had the image been licensed for commercial use under a Creative Commons licence, then the image would still have shown on the page. It's clearly not licenced that way, so you may not use it here. Sorry. May I remind you, please, to sign every talk page post with four keyboard tildes (like this: ~~~~)? Thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:37, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Nick, thank you for explaining and checking the image. Pilot03 (talk) 00:59, 24 December 2018 (UTC) Pilot03

Will this image work? http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Ronaldo-Candido-de-Oliveira-128351 I checked using few tools and it doesn't mentioned that this image is copyrighted. Would it be acceptable to use this image and reference the original source? Pilot03 (talk) 18:07, 24 December 2018 (UTC)Pilot03 Image verification request

I don't think you can use that image, I'm afraid, Pilot03. There is a very clear copyright notice at the bottom of the page, which I presume covers all of the site's content. Cordless Larry (talk) 10:08, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for checking! Pilot03 (talk) 02:59, 26 December 2018 (UTC)Pilot03

How do I make create a new article / page ? Trying to make one for a friend's colleague

How do I create a new article / page ? Trying to make one for my friend's colleague . — Preceding unsigned comment added by A 8102 (talk • contribs) 05:07, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

Hello A 8102 and welcome to the Teahouse. Please read WP:YFA and WP:N. Make sure (s)he is notable and you don't have any conflict of interests. ―Abelmoschus Esculentus ^{talk / contribs} 05:11, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

Hello

I did created a account but it blocked according to the same account named as Benjaminzyg (my main account) I wish it was unlocked, I already did emailed them but they refuse to respond. My account was locked by Therenotime (retired wikipedian) if there any tips that will help me, let me know in my talk page. 2001:8003:DC70:7300:E487:5918:4E67:8E29 (talk) 03:17, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi IP 2001:8003:DC70:7300:E487:5918:4E67:8E29|2001:8003:DC70:7300:E487:5918:4E67:8E29. There is an account named User:Benjaminzyg, but it has been indefinitely blocked per Wikipedia:Sockpuppetry#Inappropriate uses of alternative accounts and Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Jenulot/Archive. If you are the same person as this Benjaminzyg (and User:Jenulot), then you will need to make an unblock request for User:Jenulot via Wikipedia:Unblock Ticket Request System since talk page access has been removed for the Jenulot account. Before you make such a request though, I strongly suggest you carefully read through Wikipedia:Appealing a block because you're going to have to convince the person reviewing your request that (1) you understand why the Jenulot account has been blocked and (2) you have no intention of repeating the same mistakes ever again. You should also understand that it is really the person behind the account who has been blocked, not the account itself per se; so, every time you edit Wikipedia by creating a new account or even by using an IP address, you are considered to be evading the block, which these additional account will also be blocked as well. So, your best bet here is to try and get your main account unblocked using the UTRS system mentioned above. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:37, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

Thank you so much, I will try my best to get myself unblocked. 2001:8003:DC70:7300:2849:DC6E:8D31:3DD3 (talk) 05:30, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

Changing a page

hi there. I am the employer of the University of science and culture international affairs division. I want to change the whole page according to the new policy and information of the USC. how can I do that ?? best regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by University of sceince and culture (talk • contribs) 05:43, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi University of sceince and culture. The first thing you're probably going to need to do is change your username because the one you're using now is not allowed per Wikipedia:Username policy#Promotional names. Then, the next thing you're going to need to do is carefully read through Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide and follow the guidelines listed there. Since you're an employee of the USC, you are considered by Wikipedia to have a Wikipedia:Conflict of interest with respect to anything written about it. Wikipedia doesn't expressly forbide conflict of interest editing, but it does highly discourage it because it can lead to some serious problems. So, please familiarize yourself with the aforementioned guide and only edit according to it. It's very important that you also follow Wikipedia:Paid contribution disclosure if it applies to you because your account can be blocked if you don't. I will add some more information to your user talk page about all of these things for reference. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:04, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

I have blocked this account for violating our user name policy and given them advice about paid editing and conflict of interest on their talk page. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:07, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

Asking For Administrator to Create Article

Good Day Ian and Oldperson, since both of you are administrators, could you assist with restoring the page to Wikipedia and then I could just edit?

The Special Collections and Archives division at Wright State University Libraries were assisting with this project. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ForeverJustice (talk • contribs) 19:20, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Oldperson is not an administrator. However, Ian already restored the page in question to your sandbox: User:ForeverJustice/sandbox MarkZusab (talk) 19:23, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @ForeverJustice: I already restored the page at User:ForeverJustice/sandbox. There are instructions on User talk:ForeverJustice detailing what needs to be done to get a stable article that won't be deleted again. Ian.thomson (talk) 19:25, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Asking For Administrator to Restore Article to Wikipedia Page

I appreciate you placing the article in my sandbox.

Can you create the page on Wikipedia and then I can edit from there? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ForeverJustice (talk • contribs) 19:27, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

@ForeverJustice: When leaving a new message, look to the right of an existing section title and click the "edit" button. Stop making a new section for every message.

You can work on it in the sandbox. Anything in article space is held to standards that the draft doesn't conclusively meet right yet. Ian.thomson (talk) 19:29, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Are you talking about like this? If so, I have read and tried to understand how to get the article ready for ready space but apparently I'm still doing it wrong. That is why I am asking for your assistance to get the article published the right way

@Ian.thomson: Are you talking about like this? If so, I have read and tried to understand how to get the article ready for ready space but apparently I'm still doing it wrong. That is why I am asking for your assistance to get the article published the right way — Preceding unsigned comment added by ForeverJustice (talk • contribs) 10:46, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

ForeverJustice, you need to cite sources for the statements in the article; or at least, for some of the more significant or controversial ones. At present, most of them are not attributed to any source, but that statement that Foward was preceded in office Baines is cited to 36 sources, many of which do not mention Baines. Maproom (talk) 20:12, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

The sources are all in the 1st paragraph and in the Reference Section as I don't know how to make the 1,2,3,4 etc.. to go behind the statement without the entire Ref showing.ForeverJustice (talk) 20:22, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

User:Maproom The sources are all in the 1st paragraph and in the Reference Section as I don't know how to make the 1,2,3,4 etc.. go behind the statement without the entire "Ref" showing.ForeverJustice (talk) 20:26, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

@Maproom The sources are all in the 1st paragraph and in the Reference Section as I don't know how to make the 1,2,3,4 etc.. go behind the statement without the entire "Ref" showing. ForeverJustice (talk) 20:45, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

@ Maproom The sources are all in the 1st paragraph and in the Reference Section as I don't know how to make the 1,2,3,4 etc.. go behind the statement without the entire "Ref" showing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ForeverJustice (talk • contribs) 20:47, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

@User:Ian.thomson: The sources are all in the 1st paragraph and in the Reference Section as I don't know how to make the 1,2,3,4 etc.. go behind the statement without the entire "Ref" showing — Preceding unsigned comment added by ForeverJustice (talk • contribs) 20:53, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

ForeverJustice: see WP:REFB for how to do references. --ColinFine (talk) 22:12, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

FJ - You have already seen all this in comments above, but to recap: best to work on this in your Sandbox. It is not ready for prime time yet. Flipping it to Wikipedia prematurely could result in a deletion action. Your references are not in correct format. Per instructions, you add the ref information at end of sentences, between the < > and </ > and the program leaves a superscripted number in the text and puts the ref info in the ref section. And PLEASE sign every comment here by typing four of ~ at end. David notMD (talk) 03:08, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

Good Day DavidnotMD, please check out the article now as I believe the references are formatted correctly now. ForeverJustice (talk) 07:08, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

@ForeverJustice: All of the newsbank links are expired. —teb728 t c 07:30, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

I want to upload an article on a service we provide for language editing. Please help

I want to upload an article on a service we provide for language editing. This is a service very useful for everyone who wants to publish in various languages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bhawnachauhan24 (talk • contribs) 09:27, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

@Bhawnachauhan24: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Unfortunately, I had to delete your draft as promotional and a copyright violation. Wikipedia is not for advertising your company or its services, even if they are relevant to Wikipedia. Companies only merit articles here if they have significant coverage in independent reliable sources that show that it meets the notability guidelines for companies written at WP:ORG. As you are here as a company representative, you will need to review and comply with the conflict of interest policy and the paid editing policy; the latter is required by Wikipedia's Terms of Use. Even if your company merits an article, you should not be the one to write it. 331dot (talk) 09:34, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

when will a draft article be live on wikipedia ?

ive created a page which is currently in draft . When does it become live?

many thanks for your help — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C4:F58C:500:5938:6849:84B1:ED46 (talk) 11:44, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

This is the only edit by that IP address. Please link the page. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:54, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

It doesn't "become live" until somebody moves it to main article space. There are two ways that can happen:

Any account with autoconfirmed status can move it directly. They should not do so unless they are confident it is of good enough quality to be a live article.
Anybody may submit it for review: when a reviewing editor accepts it, they will move it to main space. If it was created using the article wizard or articles for creation process, then there should be a big button saying something like "Submit this article for review". If not, submit it by editing it and adding {{subst:submit}} (with the double curly brackets) at the top. --ColinFine (talk) 12:34, 26 December 2018 (UTC)