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Lee Denson

I have recently expanded this article and included several referenced sources. Do you think that the notability tag can now be removed ? I have some doubts about his notability, and another editor I asked (he who placed the original {notability} tag) is rather on the fence like me. I would welcome a third opinion. Thanks,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 13:47, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

I've expanded the article a little. I think it demonstrates his notability, so I've removed the tag. Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:47, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
Well done, on both counts. Much appreciated. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 17:38, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Rodger Penzabene

Paragraph removed due to inaccuracy and no factual proof as shown by the third source. The existence of this paragraph is damaging. The quote in it is accurate, but the validity of that quote is widely discounted and thus makes the addition of it and any commentary about it damaging and not proven. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keithcrime1965 (talk • contribs) 18:48, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

Discuss this on the article talk page, not here, please. Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:44, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

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Nomination of January 2017 European cold wave for deletion

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Felice Taylor

Hello Sir, In answer to your specific question referring to Felice Taylor's sister being in Love Unlimited I'm not sure but The Sweets which included Felice and her sisters Darlene & Norma certainly worked with Barry White in the mid sixties releasing two 45s. Felice Taylor's birth name was Florain Flanagan. Taylor was a stage name. Her brothers Jerry & Charles Flanagan wrote the Valiant single sides including the rather lovely 'Rich Girl'. She did not provide lead on The Sweets 45s.Dorkinglad (talk) 14:08, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Quite possibly so..... - but we should make every effort to find a more reliable source. Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:38, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Hello, There is a mention from her daughter on You Tube as to the fact she had passed but I realise that that is hearsay. I actually looked up her name on the Social Security records that are available on-line. Florain Weaver (her final married name) came up with a relative called Charlotte Lanee Taylor at the same address in LA. This corresponded with the name on the You Tube video. Ms Taylor gave her mother's passing as 6/12/2017 - assume that is 12th June. I double check using the name Florain Taylor and came up with Florain Corella Taylor and again Charlotte Lanee listed.

I confirmed that Johnny Taylor (not The JT) was her manager back in the day (and co-wrote her single on Kent) from the article in Soul Survivor magazine. She had also recorded first for Groovy label in 1966 (picked up by Cadet) as Florain Taylor. This being a very unusual Christian nomenclature I was able to find her under her various guises in Beaumont nr LA. She was also Brown and Andrews at one time.

You can also look up the BMI writing credits for song writers (as I'm sure you are aware). Her Kent single 'I can feel your love' was written by Jerry Flanagan & Johnny Taylor. Jerry Flanagan wrote The Sweets sides on Valiant label. The Sweets were Felice (Florain), her sisters Darlene (lead) & Norma. It's on You Tube and another brother Charles Flanagan has made an entry stating that they were his sisters and Jerry ws his brother. Unless Charles and Jerry were half brothers with different names it makes Felice's birth name Florain Corella Flanagan. However I did find one Social security record where the birth dates tallied for Florain Corella Taylor Taylor so it could be that a her first marriage was to someone with the same surname. I do hope you are following this. Anyway I didn't choose to put that in the article but referred to you as the originator of the article). I didn't think I had a definitive answer apart from her name being Florain (not Florian) so I highlighted to yourself.

I knew that the spelling for Florain had been transcribed incorrectly but as you know changing such errors takes time to gather evidence. Incidentally The Sweets cut a second 45 on Soul Town called 'Something about my baby' released in the late 60s but possibly earlier.Keep up the good work Dorkinglad (talk) 17:30, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Indeed you Gotcha' me! It seems you've splendidly reaffirmed the research I did this week. The Soul Survivor magazine article published in Autumn 1985 doesn't mention the Groovy / Cadet single but likely the journalist/article writer didn't have that information. I've asked the Soul Source site if anyone can confirm that Florain /Felice Taylor are one & the same.The Cadet 45 is on the internet at You Tube and aurally the singer sounds the same as the Felice Taylor releases. The flip side to Felice's 'I Can Feel Love Comin' is called 'Captured By Your Love' on President UK. It's written by Johnny Taylor and Jerry Flanagan (husband 7 brother of Florine/Florain). Would you say that was enough to show the link? Interesting that my early hunch that she was older than stated was true. This happens often in the 60s. She was only 16 when she married Taylor. I found two children from the marriage on the internet including Charlotte. Dorkinglad (talk) 22:53, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Well done to the both of you for your fine efforts in rooting around for information regarding this lady. I'm sorry to learn that she had died, but frankly with Florine/Florain/Florian/Felice and Flanagan/Taylor/Andrews to contend with, it is not surprising that the usual band of Wiki pixies missed her passing. I have polished up her article a bit, and will have a go at the affiliated articles, such as her songs in due course. Regards - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 23:40, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

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Conflict of interest

Hi G There is no conflict of interest I can assure you. These guys past and present have all contributed to the success of The Equals and will let loose look favourably to Wikipedia for correct information. The Equals (talk) 10:48, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

Yes, but the correct information needs to be added by independent editors with no connection to the band, based on what is said in independent reliable sources - not by band members or their associates. That is a conflict of interest, whatever your or their intentions might be. The way forward is to ask independent editors to correct any factual errors, by raising the issue on the article talk page. Again, please read WP:COI - and, if you want to discuss this further, the discussion forum is at WP:COIN. Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:55, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

A courtesy notice

Hello. Since I quoted you in this message here, you should be informed. Here's the culmination of a small exchange on the article itself here. I think this is a persistent problem with this editor, and given their past behaviour, it may well repeat and escalate if we want to try to stop having to watch out for it.  DDStretch  (talk) 16:25, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

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Biased removal of Hope Not Hate criticism of not being apolitical charity, but motivated by Labour MPs directorships

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Art Greenhaw

A simple request it seems. Could you see if you can unearth a full date of birth for this individual. There is a fair amount of background information in the article, which I am presently trying to get up to scratch. Incidentally, I am now a honorary Light Crust Doughboy - it's true. I am seemingly only one step away from a Grammy. Beat that if you can ! Cheers,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 00:14, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

How reliable is this? Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:40, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
Looks good enough to me - many thanks, - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 13:53, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
Another request. Could you cast your eye over this, now updated, article and let me know what you think. I am well aware that there is a paragraph in the middle without a source - I do not doubt it's accuracy, but could not find a relevant reference(s). I have been tinkering with the article for about two months now (with prompts and pointers from Mr. Greenhaw). Frankly, I now feel too close to the damn thing to be truly objective, or is it subjective, as to its merits (or downfalls). Many thanks, I always seem to be asking some favour from you ! Cheers
Derek R Bullamore (talk) 19:49, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

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Skomer

Your vote on Talk:Skomer seems to have been deleted by mistake. Tony Holkham (Talk) 10:16, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks - now reinstated. Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:21, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Amazing what you find, when you've got nothing better to do

Here's one to brighten your day. And it's true, just ask anyone walking too close behind me. Cheers,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 23:28, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Wow. Never seen that before. Deserves it's own Category. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:38, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
Well it's already in [Category:Songs written by Marc Bolan] and arguably should be in [Category:T. Rex (band) songs], possibly [Category:Song recordings produced by Tony Visconti], [Category:Fly Records singles], [Category:1971 songs], [Category:1971 singles], and maybe [Category:Dear old Cilla]. I'll leave it to you, Martin, to try to pen the definitive article on that cracking good song ! LOL or Lorra Lorra etc. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 00:32, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
PS. Some published book sources are available here, Martin. You know you want to ! - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 16:51, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Keith Kelly (singer)

The draft article in my soapbox is almost ready to go. I am sure we had a short conversation about this individual some time ago, but I could not be bothered to trace back through all my ramblings to try to find it. No matter really, as usual my request is about his full birth date. I thought this one should be easy enough to pin down, but both me and my good lady have drawn a blank. Various theories of ours surrounded the usual 'showbiz age' factor, or whether he was perhaps born as Pailthorpe or Kelly and his mother changed husbands in World War II (or vice versa). Do not waste much time on this - but if you would care to cast an eye over my draft too, 'cos I always appreciate a second opinion.

Note the 'Ull connection too ! Ta, - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 19:53, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

PS. Having done more research, I am favouring a 1935 birth year. It is well documented that John Barry formed The John Barry Seven in 1957. Kelly, as a reasonably well documented original member of that combo, can not have undertaken a three year stint in the RAF prior to 1957, if he was born in 1937. This source does state 1935, although it is out-trumped by several (including AllMusic) quoting 1937. More original than definitive, but it may aid your efforts. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 23:54, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Hmm.... The only Michael Pailthorpe I've found so far was born in Southampton in 1931, lived in Wincanton, Somerset in 1939, and died in Exeter in 1994. That doesn't sound right. Of course, Kelly is not the easiest name to research, but I'll see what I can find. As a more general point, I wouldn't put much credence in AllMusic for something like this, even though it is supposed to be more "reliable" than a well-researched blog... Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:32, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for that. AllMusic may not be much to you and I, but I bet if I just post 1935 with the blog reference, it will be altered by someone. The sources quoting 1937 outnumber the blog, however 'unreliable' or 'mirrors' those may actually be. I did a little research and discovered to my surprise that National Service in the 1950s took kids aged 17 and over, so the mathematics may pan correctly that 1937+17+3=1957. However, conscription back then was for two years, so why he did three years service is anyone's guess, even allowing for the fact that he may have volunteered for service in the RAF. Don't know is the answer. I am assuming Kelly is still alive too - remember the case of Eve Taylor. So, all in all, I am leaning towards either omitting the DOB altogether, or citing both birth years and seeing where it goes. I do not think editors will be exactly queuing up. As ever, there is so much research one can do, before accepting the inevitable. What I've got is better than was on Wikipedia before (diddly squat), so I can sleep easy. Unless you unearth a hidden gem by the weekend, I think I'll go live with the draft as is - well, after making a decision on the birth date, that is. Cheers,
Derek R Bullamore (talk) 22:47, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

Happy Saturnalia

Happy Saturnalia
Wishing you and yours a Happy Holiday Season, from the horse and bishop person. May the year ahead be productive and troll-free. Ealdgyth - Talk 16:56, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Merry Merry

Happy Christmas!
Hello G,
Early in A Child's Christmas in Wales the young Dylan and his friend Jim Prothero witness smoke pouring from Jim's home. After the conflagration has been extinguished Dylan writes that

Nobody could have had a noisier Christmas Eve. And when the firemen turned off the hose and were standing in the wet, smoky room, Jim's Aunt, Miss. Prothero, came downstairs and peered in at them. Jim and I waited, very quietly, to hear what she would say to them. She said the right thing, always. She looked at the three tall firemen in their shining helmets, standing among the smoke and cinders and dissolving snowballs, and she said, "Would you like anything to read?"

My thanks to you for your efforts to keep the 'pedia readable in case the firemen chose one of our articles :-) Best wishes to you and yours and happy editing in 2019. MarnetteD|Talk 19:14, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Tony Walsh

Hi. Unfortunately these guys didn't record what they were doing to children, so there is often no evidence of what has happened. No rent book either for when he lived with two little children... It's being put as delicately as possible that the two men are friends, with one still visiting the other etc, but again I don't have access to that sort of documentation. I would appreciate if you would not comment that my edits are of no relevance, when you really mean citation needed. This "friendship circle" is relevant. VeganCultist (talk) 15:50, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Your edits are clearly contrary to WP:BLP and do not come from a reliable source. They will be removed. Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:26, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

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