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Quotation marks in the title parameter of references

Hello, thanks for your edit to "Love and Affection". However it mightbe be worth keeping in mind my subsequent edit. Because the title of the article is itself a quote from an interview, it would have been better to replace the quotes with apostrophes rather than removing them altogether. Graham87 07:50, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

@Graham87: Thanks for your input. One of AWB's general fixes is that it "removes quotes around |title= field since they are automatically added by template markup". I'm sorry that I didn't notice this change when I was looking at the rest of the changes. You're right that in this particular case, although the quotes were wrong, the single quotes are appropriate. I've asked a question about this reference at Help talk:Citation Style 1/Archive 4#Quote within title parameter. See also my subsequent edit which fixed the references and removed the article from Category:CS1 errors: dates. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 15:49, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
@Graham87: Oops - one more thing. The article mentions "the Jazz Album 2003" - is this an album title that should be in italics, or should this be in lowercase to designate the jazz genre, or something else? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 18:34, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
According to AllMusic, it's Jazz Album 2003, but I've removed it because it appears to be a non-notable compilation album. Graham87 02:08, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Changing date=Aug. number to date=Aug number

As it happens another edit your bot made is on my watch list (South-East Asian theatre of World War II). How is changing "date=Aug. 27, 2009" to "date=Aug. 27, 2009" a fix? A fix would be to change "Aug." to "August" and as the page is is British English it ought to be "27 August 2009". It seems to me that you fix takes the format of the date field further away from the desired format rather than towards it. -- PBS (talk) 12:20, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

@PBS: The edit changed "date=Aug. 27, 2009" to "date=Aug 27, 2009", which removed the article from Category:CS1 errors: dates. Since citations with errors will eventually display a big red Check date values in: |date= message, the bot is cleaning them up before the error is enabled. The goal of the bot is to resolve the errors and keep the date as close to the original format as possible. WP:CITEVAR recommends that we should "defer to the style used by the first major contributor", and I don't think it would be appropriate for a bot to go against that. In this particular case, the "date=Aug 27, 2009" now exactly matches the style in reference 6 of the same article. However, references 2 and 7 use a different format. Although the dates in the references should all have the same format per MOS:DATEUNIFY, it's not clear what the "desired format" is, so I think it would be better for a human editor such as yourself to determine the local consensus for that article and fix the references accordingly. (Also note that the date format in the infobox and the date format in the lead don't match, so the issue is much bigger than one period in one reference.)
In this subsequent edit, I fixed a reference so the authors' names will be visible, which removed the article from Category:CS1 errors: coauthors without author (and another red error). In this subsequent edit, I replaced the deprecated |coauthors=, which removed the article from Category:Pages containing cite templates with deprecated parameters (and another two red errors). I also tagged two dead links in the External links section. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 16:17, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Where is the agreed consensus for these changes? Who defined them as now being errors and where is the consensus that they are errors?
  • "WP:CITEVAR recommends that we should "defer to the style used by the first major contributor"" does not say "defer to the style used by the first major contributor" it says only to do that if no other style has been agreed.
  • Further as to the correct layout did you not look at the spelling in the article? If you had done so then it would be obvious that this is in British English. Also WP:DATEFORMAT makes it clear "Only [MMM] in references, tables, lists or areas where conciseness is needed" in the of dates in references there is no need to be concise so "Aug." should be expanded to "August" not shortened to "Aug"
It seems to me that you are more interested in meeting a goal or removing alleged errors, for which as far as I can see there no consensus that they are errors, than trying to meet the guidelines and those things for which there is consensus. I find it worrying that you are changing citation formats with a bot when you clear do not have a firm grasp of the CITEVAR guideline. -- PBS (talk) 16:51, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
Hi again - To respond to your points above:
  • For the date formats, please see WP:DATEFORMAT, Help:Citation Style 1 and Help talk:Citation Style 1. Your input on the talk page is greatly appreciated.
  • You're right about WP:CITEVAR, and that's what I tried to convey in my response above.
  • No, the bot did not look at the spelling in the article when removing one period. Since some human determined that there was a desire to be concise in the reference, and as you quoted above, WP:DATEFORMAT makes it clear that MMM is acceptable in references, I do not think it is appropriate for a bot to change "Aug" to "August" I do think it's appropriate for human editors to work together to clean up an article when it doesn't meet MOS:DATEUNIFY.
I see you have not updated the date formats at South-East Asian theatre of World War II. Would you like to work together on this? GoingBatty (talk) 17:17, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
There is little point changing one page when you are running a bot job to change many. "makes it clear that MMM is acceptable in references," well sort of but the whole point of preferring MMM over MMM. was because of the need to abbreviate for confined places and the use of three letters for ascetic reasons in tables (the dot obviously takes up one extra space). In the case of references in a reference section there is no reason to prefer MMM over MMM. because the space is not confined, so if you are going to change them then change the to the full month, which is in line with the intent of the instructions. -- PBS (talk) 13:29, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

BattyBot created an empty citation error

BattyBot created empty citation errors in this diff and this edit. The citations were fragile, with empty {{cite web}} templates inside ref tags. Renaming the refs caused empty citation errors. Yobot did the same thing recently. These empty {{cite web}} templates should be removed; I have seen them cause this problem multiple times. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:04, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

@Jonesey95: Thanks for the info. I've reverted the edits, removed the empty {{cite web}} templates and redid the edits. I've opened an AWB feature request for this. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 20:40, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Replacing "Staff"

I, for one, object to the removal of "Staff" in the cite news format. The last I read that was a legitimate option. Where is the discussion that changed that? --Bejnar (talk) 07:26, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

@Bejnar: Commenting out "Staff" from the |author= parameter was added to Help:Citation Style 1#Authors in this edit from 2011. Your participation at Help_talk:Citation_Style_1#Procedure_when_author_is_.22Staff.22 would be appreciated. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 20:48, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Post at Revolver (Beatles album)

Could you please weigh in at this post I started? An editor reverted all of my changes and sweepingly dismissed them as vandalism. Dan56 (talk) 21:59, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

I will, but I have another important task to do first. GoingBatty (talk) 22:13, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
@Dan56: Although the editor linked to WP:VANDAL twice, apparently they missed the third paragraph, which starts "Even if misguided, willfully against consensus, or disruptive, any good-faith effort to improve the encyclopedia is not vandalism." You're obviously trying to improve the article by making some WP:BOLD edits - now comes the rest of the WP:BRD cycle. It's good to see that the discussion on the talk page has moved to discussing the facts. You may want to split the discussion into two subsections - one for release dates and one for reviews. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 00:31, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Arnold Lupton

A little job please! (I have asked for someone else's help but they may not respond) check the reference page - Athur Lupton. Thanks again Mike — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.219.158.225 (talk) 10:05, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

 Done. GoingBatty (talk) 01:37, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

author

I fixed the alert for "author" and not for "Author". As I see all other parameters are lowercase. Page has also "autor". -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:13, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

@Magioladitis: I think WP:AWB/RTP didn't pick up the "autor" because the reference was commented out. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 18:34, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Additional date parameter errors for BattyBot to fix

Here is a list of potential new date parameter errors for BattyBot to fix as it passes through Category:CS1 errors: dates. GoingBatty and Trappist the monk, feel free to add to or comment on this list.

  • 1.  On hold "date=2008-11-06 last obs" from 12 Victoria and other similar astronomy articles. Change to "date=2008-11-06 |type=last obs". The notion of extraneous text after the date came up in the last discussion and was tabled, but perhaps we could look for specific phrases that should go into a type parameter. I have posted a query at the relevant WikiProject.
  • 2.  Not done "1981, reprint 1997" from 12 basic principles of animation. Maybe change to "date=1997|origyear=1981".
  • 3. plus Added "une 28, 2011" from 1884 in science. Also "Novenber" and "Novemeber". People have a hard time with that month for some reason.
  • 4. plus Added partially "2001-6" from 1904 in the United Kingdom. Change months YYYY-(3-9) to March-September YYYY. Months 0, 1, and 2 are ambiguous.
  • 5. plus Added "March 24, 2007 (last update)" from 1924 International Cross Country Championships. Remove the specific phrase "(last update)" or "2011 [last update]" from |date= or |year=.
  • 6.  On hold "2009-01 - 2009-02" from 1960s decor. Change to "Jan-Feb 2009".
  • 7.  On hold "|date= undated " from Gaahl. Change to "n.d.", I believe. Also check for "undated" and "no date", possibly other variations on this theme.
  • 8.  On hold "Sun Dec 05 1999 IST" from Gabbar Singh (character). Remove "IST" and similar time zones from the end of the date. Remove day name from the start of the date. Insert comma as needed, remove initial zero in day number. A lot going on here.
  • 9. plus Added "|year=1998|month=Dec. " from GABBR2. Remove trailing period or comma from any value in |month= name to eliminate date error. I would join the month and the year, but the bot should not do so, pending further discussion.
  • 10.  On hold "| year =2007| ... date =July 27|" from Gabe Sapolsky.
  • 11. plus Added "10th of February, 2012" from Georg von der Gabelentz.
  • 12. plus Added "5 Marzo 2012" from Gabriel Quadri de la Torre. Fix Spanish month names in this format.
  • 13. plus Added "|date=NaN undefined NaN|year=1997|month=January" from Gait training. I expect this pattern is in other articles as well; it appears to be machine-generated.
  • 14. plus Added "date= May, 1951" from Lloyd L. Gaines. Also check for valid season names here (e.g. "Spring, 1976").
  • 15. plus Added "date=1984)" from Tess Gallagher. Remove trailing parentheses, commas, periods. Do not remove trailing dashes even though the module marks them as invalid, as they indicate ongoing publication, or something.
  • 16. plus Added "|year=(2005)" from Timothy Gallagher. Remove parentheses.
  • 17.  Not done "|year=2007 (originally 1914)" from James Gallatin. Similar to #2 above.
  • 18. plus Added "|year=2001 (2nd ed.)|" from Gallery Hotel Change to "|year=2001 | edition=2nd". I expect there are variations on this formatting. For example, "date=4th Edition 2006" from Octavio Gaona.
  • 19. plus Added "| date = May|year = 1981" from Jo Grant.
  • 20.  On hold "|accessdate=23 J u l y 2008" from Jocelyn Seagrave. I am speechless. It looks fixable, though.

OK, that's 20. Time to get on with the rest of my day. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:40, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks - I have my own list of things to add as well, which I'll work on after the bot completes pass #1. GoingBatty (talk) 17:43, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
  • 21. plus Added "| date = 17-21 | year = 2005 | month = October" from Octafluoropropane. This will continue to generate an error message until the module is changed to accept valid date ranges, but we should fix it now.
  • 22. plus Added "|accessdate=august 13th, 2013" from Octavio Paz.

– Jonesey95 (talk) 17:49, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

  • 23  Fixed "| date = 1900-01" for Wood W.O (1900-01) in Safety Lamp refers to the two years 1900 and 1901, not to the month January 1900. See the online citation's front page. I've reverted the error, would "year" instead of "date" have prevented this? Martin of Sheffield (talk) 22:08, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
@Martin of Sheffield: Yes, the bot code does not currently looking at the |year= parameter for this fix. Using the unambigious "1900-1901" would be even better. However, all of these still keep the article in the error category. Your input at Module_talk:Citation/CS1#Legitimate_date_range_examples_to_add_to_the_date_checking_part_of_the_CS1_module and Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Dates_and_numbers#Is_YYYY-MM_an_acceptable_date_format? would be appreciated. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 22:18, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Number 2, a description of a reprint, is not suitable for correction by a bot. If the reprint does not contain any corrections and has the same pagination and publisher, the fact that it is a reprint could just be omitted. Otherwise, origyear might be appropriate. Jc3s5h (talk) 17:37, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Marked numbers 2 and 17 as  Not done per Jc3s5h's comment. Marked number 1 as on hold pending the discussion at the WikiProject. GoingBatty (talk) 17:50, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
@Jonesey95: I've added most of your suggestions. Besides the comments above,
  • For number 4, I believe "2001-6" means "2001-2006" (see copyright date in the reference), so it won't change that, but the bot will now change other dates when it's unambiguous, such as "2008-6".
  • I'm hoping numbers 6, 8 and 20 are rare, so I'll wait until we see they're pretty common.
  • Number 7 is on hold pending resolution at Module_talk:Citation/CS1#date=undated.
  • Number 10 is on hold because it's already one of AWB's general fixes.
Thanks for the suggestions! GoingBatty (talk) 15:34, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
Brilliant. We'll see how the bot does with another run through the category. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:52, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
I checked 25 of the most recent BattyBot edits. They all looked great — there are a lot of foreign-language months out there! — except for this one, which did no harm but which I can't explain. (And about which I would not worry, except that some people get a little crazy about bots that make invisible changes to articles.) It appears that the article should not have been in the CS1 dates category. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:22, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
@Jonesey95: After adding the foreign language months and the typos above and making manual edits, I did a search for articles that contained those words and then started up the bot. I saw Body of Proof go through and stopped the bot, reset the option to skip if the module made no changes, and then started it back up again. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 18:29, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

An incorrect fix here. "Juny" was changed to "June" when it should have been "July". Probably best to ignore "Juny". – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:40, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

@Jonesey95: Thanks for catching that. I added it because "juny" is Catalan for "June", but you're right about false positives in English. I'll review all the articles that contain "juny" (which still includes articles I changed today, such as the one you found). Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 20:50, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Copyeditor's Barnstar
Thank you for your works on CS1 dates and other clean ups. Well done! Daniele.tampieri (talk) 09:40, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
Thank YOU! GoingBatty (talk) 13:52, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Infobox tweak

I noticed that the music infobox mark-up renders genre and writer(s). Since we almost always use more than one genre, I think that should be tweaked, and I knew you were just the person for the task, assuming that you agree. GabeMc (talk|contribs) 01:21, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

@GabeMc: Template:Infobox musical artist already uses Genres as the label. Are you suggesting that Template:Infobox album do the same, or are you referring to a different infobox? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 01:28, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
Yes, sorry, that's exactly what I'm saying. What do you think? GabeMc (talk|contribs) 01:31, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
@GabeMc: Hmmm, Template:Infobox album seems to have Director, Producer and Compiler - all singular, but no writer(s).
Sorry, I'm tired and being confusing. Template:Infobox album does not have writer, but it does have genre. Most albums have several genres listed, so I though it should be like other infoboxes that have writer(s). GabeMc (talk|contribs) 01:51, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
@GabeMc: Interesting how Template:Infobox single uses Writer(s), but Template:Infobox song uses Writer. I tried adding (s) a few times at Template:Infobox album/sandbox - see the examples at Template:Infobox album/testcases. What do you think? GoingBatty (talk) 02:18, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
I think its brilliant, but I'm no expert on what these should look like. GabeMc (talk|contribs) 02:22, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
@GabeMc: See Template_talk:Infobox_album#Should_labels_be_pluralized? and Template_talk:Infobox_song#Should_labels_be_pluralized? GoingBatty (talk) 02:31, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
It is very common to have multiple labels, at least with the articles that I tend to edit. GabeMc (talk|contribs) 02:37, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

A Tesla Roadster for you!

A Tesla Roadster for you!
Thank you for contributing to Wikipedia! Gg53000 (talk) 00:03, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Wow - thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 01:15, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Gg53000, that is an awful gift. Why do you want anybody to die a horrible fiery death? Oh, that's right, it *is* Batty we are talking about. What a perfect gift for Batty! Bgwhite (talk) 02:05, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
@Bgwhite: Just for that, I've cancelled the Harp Twins visit I arranged to surprise you for Valentine's Day. Instead, your mother and mother-in-law will be performing their classic hit "Why do you spend all night on the Interweb checking your wiki?" GoingBatty (talk) 02:14, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
What more could a man want – a Tesla and the Harp Twins? Bliss on a cloud. -- Ohc ¡digame! 02:35, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
Can you attach a U-haul trailer for the harps? GoingBatty (talk) 02:45, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
A U-Haul trailer for the Tesla would be just so naff. One Harp Twin on your lap and the other in the passenger seat should be enough for most guys, unless there exists the Harp Triplets... ;-) -- Ohc ¡digame! 03:16, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Technical Barnstar
For diligent disambiguation work. Green Giant (talk) 08:55, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
Thank you very much! GoingBatty (talk) 16:51, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Determining date format

How does BattyBot determine a date format if there isn't one? With this edit, BattyBot used the mdy format on an article about a British topic. It's fair to say that this malformed accessdate was the only full date in the article at the time, and that the article did not bear any {{use dmy dates}} or similar - so how does the bot decide that the format should be mdy and not dmy? --Redrose64 (talk) 11:32, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

  • I don't think a judgement is being made one way or another. The bot's job is to convert all errant formats into the most convenient form adhering to MOSNUM (either dmy or mdy forms), and looks like it could well leave disparate or inconsistent formats depending on what those original formats were. The regex rules seem to merely flip all yyyy mmm dd strings by default to mmm dd yyyy (ie no change in month–day order. This does not preclude a script or bot from coming along later to put the dates according to WP:TIES. -- Ohc ¡digame! 15:28, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
@Redrose64 and Ohconfucius: Even if there was a {{use dmy dates}} template on the article, Template:Use dmy dates#Usage reminds us that the date format used in references can be different than the format used in the article. Therefore, I set up the bot to convert the errant formats to the closest MOSNUM-acceptable format. In this case with "2011 November 05", someone decided to spell out the month and put the month before the date. Therefore, I set up the bot to convert it to "November 5, 2011", which maintains the spelled out month and keeps the month before the date. I hope that the bot's edits will get editors such as yourself to look at the references at make sure they meet WP:TIES and MOS:DATEUNIFY. Thanks for asking! GoingBatty (talk) 17:01, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Possible BattyBot error

I just reverted the bottom half of this edit by BattyBot. As far as I can see it was an error. The material that BattyBot shifted violated neither WP:COMMENT nor Help:Hidden text#Inappropriate uses for hidden text. Is there some other rule I'm missing? If so, please revert my reversion. If not, then I thought I should bring this to your attention. Thanks in advance for looking into this. -Thibbs (talk) 17:14, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

It is an extreme case of multiple comments on the same line. Comments could be merged to avoid AWB moving them again. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:20, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the response. I'm surprised that this is how the problem is handled, though. Perhaps BattyBot could be tweaked to merge the comments instead of shifting them away from the text to which they relate? Perhaps "--><!--" could be replaced with "; " in the future? -Thibbs (talk) 17:25, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
@Thibbs: That would be a change to AWB's general fixes, not BattyBot's code. In this case, I think it would be better if someone knowledgeable about the games could look at contiguous comments that seem to contradict each other (such as <!--Covers only "Inishie no Sekiban"--><!--Covers both "BS Zelda" and "Inishie no Sekiban"--><!--Covers only "BS Zelda"--><!--Covers only "BS Zelda"-->) and determine the best way to manually merge these. Long term, maybe someone could figure out if there's a better way to merge them into Wikidata. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 17:32, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
@Thibbs: Actually, the problem was caused in this edit by Addbot, which moved some of the interwiki links to Wikidata without removing the associated comments. I've restored the comments for the remaining interwiki links to match what they looked like before the move. GoingBatty (talk) 17:37, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
Ah OK. Thanks for your help. -Thibbs (talk) 17:49, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
Perfect. Inline comments was always not the best solution since they would confuse all interwiki bots. Now with Wikidata we would be able to remove interwiki links from all pages soon. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:11, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
Indeed this looks like a small problem with addbot. ! ·addshore· talk to me! 11:11, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Sun-Maid Page

Hello,

I don't know who you are, however I noticed that you edited the Sun-Maid page. I'm the Marketing Director at Sun-Maid and am new to Wiki and have been working on this site. I have additional information I plan to post, like the three other historic logos to complete the brand history. I also want to cite sources, but haven't gotten that far yet. In fact, yesterday I inadvertently deleted some of the citations by mistake, but I will correct that. Any tips or suggestions are welcome. Thank you, - jackie — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jackie7334 (talk • contribs) 18:13, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

@Jackie7334: I was drawn to the Sun-Maid article because your edits accidentally broke (but didn't delete) the references. Since you're the marketing director for Sun-Maid, please read the Wikipedia:Conflict of interest guideline. Instead of continuing to directly edit the Sun-Maid article, please follow the guidance in Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide to declare your conflict of interest and post your suggestions at Talk:Sun-Maid. Working together with Wikipedia editors is the best way to end up with an improved article. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 23:32, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Help to edit dead link

The page on Hector Monsegur a/k/a "Sabu" of LulzSec has a dead link tied to challenged information. Page is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hector_Xavier_Monsegur

Section: Identity

Link Number 9 does not go to where it says it should.

The information regarding Backtrace Security claiming credit for identifying Monsegur is challenged today in a new article based upon leaked FBI Search Warrants from the case anyway. Link to the article published today with the updated info is here (it is sourced to other articles and legal documents, but is itself a news article):

http://www.dailydot.com/crime/lulzsec-anonymous-arrest-warrants-leaked-sabu/

So the current link 9 doesn't match the information and the Backtrace Claim looks refuted.

I don't want to edit the page as I have been harassed by trolls for editing pages related to hackers and don't have time for that kind of headache. Can you have a look and correct it?

Thanks Ellie Dahl (talk) 00:37, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

@Ellie Dahl: I've fixed reference 9 so it now links to the proper post, and made some other formatting fixes. Since you don't want to edit the article directly, I suggest you submit a request at Talk:Hector Xavier Monsegur. I'm interested to see if others believe it's a reliable source, so I'll add the page to my watchlist. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk)

Thank you. More concerned about the dead link and not messing the page up more lol Ellie Dahl (talk) 01:08, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

More proposed CS1 date error fixes for BattyBot

The bot-fixable CS1 date errors are getting thinner, but there are still a few. Here is a list of potential new date parameter errors for BattyBot to fix as it passes through Category:CS1 errors: dates. GoingBatty and Trappist the monk, feel free to add to or comment on this list. I have numbered them with fixed numbers so that subsequent discussion will be clear.

That's all for now. I think some of these were discussed and tabled above, but they might be worth another look. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:20, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

@Jonesey95: What formats numbers 9, 10, & 16 be changed to? GoingBatty (talk) 16:36, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
I've added most of these. Number 2 is on hold until I can learn how to substitute months within references. Number 7 is on hold, but I'll try working that out. Number 13 is on hold pending the resolution of {{NHLE}}. GoingBatty (talk) 19:29, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
Number 3 and 14 and similar will be repaired by Monkbot task 1 if it is approved.
—Trappist the monk (talk) 16:39, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
Re #9 and #10: Well, if I were fixing these, I'd change them to "Day Month Year". It's clear that the original editor wanted the month as a word, not a number, so the only question is whether to use "Month Day, Year" or "Day Month Year". My preference would be to have the date be in an acceptable format even if the citation dates are inconsistent, since the vast majority of articles have inconsistent citation dates already. A later bot might be able to fix inconsistent citation dates that are already in valid formats.
Re #16: If that date format appears in an accessdate or an archivedate, I would definitely change it to "29 Nov 2006", since these are web-related dates we're talking about. I suppose it's possible that you could see a 20th-century year like "26-NOV-99" in an accessdate or archivedate, so that should be changed to "26 Nov 1999". If it's in a date or publication-date (as with example #16), I suppose we'll have to leave it, because it might be 1906 or 1806. And I would not touch anything ambiguous like "05-NOV-04". – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:16, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
I added #9 and #10 as mmm dd, yyyy format, since the original editor wanted the month before the date. Not adding #16. GoingBatty (talk) 21:31, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

More:

I am consistently and continually impressed by the creativity of WP editors. – Jonesey95 (talk) 02:42, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Added all of these - thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 16:53, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
Your bot edited Civilian casualty ratio it only made general fixes. It missed "| date = 14.01.08" which is now fixed -- PBS (talk) 08:49, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
When I was working on the additions above, I accidentally turned the bot back on without checking the Skip if genfixes only box. I caught my mistake after it processed a few articles. "| date = 14.01.08" is too ambiguous for a bot to fix, so thank you for doing it manually. I've cleaned up all the bare URLs in the article and fixed the dates that were not in citation templates. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:05, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
  • Many of the more common ones I also treat with my script. Typos will surely get picked up by AWB? But there are some truly unusual/creative ones there, which I think are unlikely to occur on any scale and are too esoteric to fix by script or bot. -- Ohc ¡digame! 07:36, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
@Ohconfucius: AWB and WPCleaner does not do typo checking within templates - see WP:AWB/T#Usage. They also don't convert the months from different languages into English. Feel free to steal ideas from User:BattyBot/CS1 errors-dates to add to your scripts. I've requested that the AWB developers add some of these rules to the general fixes already done for dates. GoingBatty (talk) 14:56, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
plus Added - thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 15:48, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

The hits just keep on coming. Let me know if you have any questions. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:21, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

plus Added 32-43. With all the different languages, how could I have forgotten French? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 03:49, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
  • 44. plus Added "| date = Decewmber 3, 2010" from South Pacific Cartel.
  • 45. plus Added "| accessdate=2009-November-09" from South Jason Island.
  • 46.  Not done "|date=4 September 2010 (New Zealand Time)" from South Island.
  • 47. plus Added "|date=November 12, 2012, Monday" from Sahiwal.
  • 48.  Not done "date = Saturday, 23 July 2005, 09:36 GMT 10:36 UK" from SAIC Motor.
  • 49. plus Added "| date = Jan. 9, 2009, 8:56 a.m. EST" from SAIC Motor.
  • 50. plus Added "| date = Thu Dec 17, 2009 1:39am EST" and "| date = Fri May 14, 2010 4:51am EDT" from SAIC Motor.
  • 51. plus Added "| date = 11:55 GMT, Thursday, 6 August 2009" from SAIC Motor.
  • 52. plus Added "| accessdate=August 12, 2013 {subscription required}" (with two curly braces) from Sail (song). Replace template with "|subscription=yes".
  • 53. plus Added "| date = Spring of 2006" from Sailor Moon.
  • 54. plus Added "|accessdate=Decembar 17, 2009" from Saima Khan.
  • 55. plus Added "| archivedate = 20010121105300" from Rushmoor Council election, 2000. Note that this format appears only in |archivedate=. It is copied directly from the archive.org URL. It should be replaced with "2001-01-21" in this case, keeping the YYYMMDD and trimming off the time stamp value, HHMMSS.
  • 56. plus Added "|accessdate=-2007-10-23" from Helen Zille.

A dozen more, just for fun. Bot-fixable strings are getting harder to find. I got these from a sample of 60 or so articles. The majority of errors at this point are "XX/ZZ/YYYY" and "XX/ZZ/YY" dates (or similar ambiguous formats) and valid date ranges. There are also a lot of "YYYY, YYYY" dates indicating two publication years. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:47, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

I question the ability of a bot to differentiate mistaken years with minus signs (or similar symbols) from genuine negative years. Jc3s5h (talk) 18:08, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
Jc3s5h: I'm guessing that you refer to #56 above. I do not see any examples of negative year values in WP:YEAR that would make sense in citation template date parameters. The only reference I see to negative years is to Astronomical year numbering.
Can you please give an example of a negative year that would be valid in a citation template's date parameter, preferably an example from an actual WP article? I haven't come across one in my travels, but I can imagine that such a thing exists. In the examples above (with one or two exceptions), I have provided links to actual WP articles in which erroneous date formats exist, so that we are not chasing after date formats that do not exist in real articles. Thanks for the feedback. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:46, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
What the proper method of writing a year in CS1 is not the question. The question is, given that someone has written a year in a non-standard format, is it so blatently obvious what the correct year is that even a bot can make the correction. I don't think it's blatently obvious that all negative years in citations are factually false and can be made factually true by remove the minus sign, or other similar symbol. I don't have an example; the available search methods don't lend themselves to finding such an example. Jc3s5h (talk) 19:09, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
@Jc3s5h: I will not set up the bot to remove minus signs (or similar symbols) from the |date= or |year= parameters, just in case they are genuinely negative years. However, I think it's "blatently obvious" that full dates in the |accessdate= and |archivedate= parameters are not negative years, as in Jonesey95's example above, so I'll set up the bot to only remove the minus signs in those limited cases. When you find a reference with a genuine negative year, could you please discuss it at Help talk:Citation Style 1? (I need to heed my own advice, as I've seen references with genuine "BC" signifiers that need to be addressed.) Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 00:22, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
Hah - I posted this before I saw that Jonesey95 already posted Module talk:Citation/CS1/Archive 9#Should date validation allow "BC" and other eras?. GoingBatty (talk) 05:11, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
@Jonesey95: Added most of this new batch. #46 was just one reference in two articles, which I fixed manually. I'm hoping that two time zones such as #48 isn't common enough to add to the bot. SAIC Motor is a contender for having the most different issues, some of which I fixed manually. I also add all the Serbian months (Decemebar isn't just a typo) and used one rule for both {{subscription required}} and {{registration required}}. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 04:27, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, as always. It looks like the bot is almost done with its second pass through the category and has fixed a ton of articles. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:30, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
@Jonesey95: Your suggestions have been very helpful to find more articles for the bot to clean up, and you've been fixing a bunch of CS1 errors too, so thanks to you too!

Proposed date fixes for BattyBot (Task 25)

GoingBatty (talk) 18:04, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

(manually numbered for ease of commenting).
I'm guessing the proposed fix for #6 is to change only the text for the date by converting the date to English, leaving the rest of the citation template alone. Ja? You might check all three of |datum= and |zugriff= and |archiv-datum= while you're at it.
I would avoid fixing #7, "|date=vol. 4 2002". It seems ambiguous to me; I would want a human editor to look at context. Is that "|volume=4 |year=2002", or is it "|date=April 2002 |volume= (oops, stray text)" or maybe even "|volume=4 2002" ?
If the proposed fix for #8 is to remove the comma, go for it.
All except #7 look like good bot fixes to me. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:34, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
@Jonesey95: Glad I posted this list to work on later, because I was only seeing #7 as "|volume=4 |year=2002". Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 21:02, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

That's from checking about 50 articles. We really need date ranges to become valid; that would remove maybe a third of these flagged articles from the category. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:38, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

@Jonesey95: The problem with #9 and #10 is that the reference has a template within the citation template, and my rules are written conservatively so it doesn't mess up two consecutive references. GoingBatty (talk) 02:49, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Rebecca Simonsson

Allen3 talk 10:43, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks

for the edit help, much appreciated. You guys are great. JCJC777

My pleasure! GoingBatty (talk) 13:47, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

hi going batty

hi going batty,

I am writing with regard to the damelin wkpedia article. The only changes which were made were minor ones in regard to my place of birth, Johannesburg, an addition to the areas in which I work, my collaborator Charles Fefferman. Otherwise the article remains the same. I am sorry the editing became an issue. I have added a link to the article with fefferman but I can remove those edits if you wish. Please let me know. Thanks, Steven. Stevenbdamelin (talk) 14:50, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

@Stevenbdamelin: Your edits to your own article are more than minor edits, such as adding new facts and incorrectly removing {{failed verification}}. Please follow the advice given in Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 14:59, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
Hi Going Batty, I went back and removed the town where I was born Johannesburg since I do not have an easy verification of this except my birth certificate. I also removed the places where I have worked besides my current place of employment given links to these institutions would not easily verify this information and its not very necessary. I kept my collaborator Fefferman given the work with him is verifiable with the other link you have from google scholar re my other works. Besides that everything is the same. Sorry for creating these editing issues. Steven. Stevenbdamelin (talk) 15:03, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
Hi GoinBatty, I see. I didn't understand the failed verification--I understand that you could not verify that I indeed graduated from University of the Witwatersrand which I did. Its fine to leave it there. Otherwise everything is the same now.

Sorry for the edits which caused problems. StevenStevenbdamelin (talk) 15:15, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

@Stevenbdamelin: Thanks for undoing your edits. Please note that you don't need to create a new section when you're continuing a conversation - see Help:Using talk pages#Talk page use. I hope you can work on improving other articles on Wikipedia - happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 15:21, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi GoingBatty, thanks for your reply. I added links to Fefferman and my paper with him. The link I added with Fefferman is my paper with him and one from Wkpedia itself re Fefferman so I think the article now is not an orphan anymore. Thanks for your help with this article and I am sorry the edits created issues. I also removed the University of the Witwatersrand which although true cannot be easily verified. Lubinsky my advisor was at the University of the Witwatersrand but he is now at Georgia Tech hence the link to there which is verified.

I hope you can now remove the sentence "A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject. It may require cleanup to comply with Wikipedia's content policies, particularly neutral point of view. Please discuss further on the talk page.".

If there is anything else you would like me to do please let me know.

Steven.

Stevenbdamelin (talk) 15:41, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi GoingBatty,

Are you are ok with the article now? Please let me know if there is anything else which needs to be done and the sentences above the article can be removed. Thanks for your help and sorry about any confusion re the edits.

Steven. Stevenbdamelin (talk) 16:21, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

@Stevenbdamelin: As I stated above, please read Help:Using talk pages#Talk page use (specifically the section on indentation) - you don't need to create a new section every time you post here.
An orphaned article is one with no links from Wikipedia articles. There's one link from List of mathematicians (D), so I removed the {{orphan}} template. I also removed the {{COI}} template for now, as it appears that the other references that failed verification may have been added by someone else. GoingBatty (talk) 16:38, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Dear GoingBatty,

I apologize for starting a new topic again, I am struggling to see how to continue our discussion. I will read the guidelines you sent. Thanks very much. Thanks for your latest edits. Here are the verifications related to [1, 2, 7, 8, 10] which failed verification. Everything should be just fine now. I very much appreciate your help with this and I thank you. best, Steven.

1. http://people.math.gatech.edu/~lubinsky/graduatestudents.html

This is from [1] as given but using his sub link to graduate students from his webpage. I am there as stated.

2. http://genealogy.math.ndsu.nodak.edu/id.php?id=82944

This is the link to the genealogy page of Lubinsky. I am there. Lubinsky was at the University of the Witwatersrand and is now at Georgia Tech as I said hence the two institutions.


7 Research gate: http://www.researchgate.net/profile/Steven_Damelin/publications/

If you look at article 4 there which I have pasted below, its there. See below.

Steven. B. Damelin Charles Fefferman ABSTRACT: This paper deals with a BMO theorem for ϵ-distorted diffeomorphisms on ℝD and an application comparing manifolds of speech and sound. 01/2012;

8 http://www.ima.umn.edu/~damelin/involve-v5-n2-p03-s.pdf

This is the direct link to the article from Involve (the journal).

10 Please have a look at Page 5, 4.5.3 There I am listed as stated.

Thank you once again. Steven.

Stevenbdamelin (talk) 17:43, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

@Stevenbdamelin: If you don't want to start a new section, click on the Edit source button instead of the New section button. Even better, click on the [edit] link at the top of the section that you want to reply to.
The references that failed verification were #1, 6, 7, & 10. Based on the info you provided, I fixed #1, 7 & 10.
If you have any further suggestions about your Wikipedia article, please post them in Talk:Steven Damelin. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 21:27, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Infobox Town AT

I don't know if {{main other}} is malfunctioning or if it's working properly and I just don't understand what it's meant to do, but I just thought I should let you know that your edit to {{Infobox Town AT}} earlier today had some rather unintended side effects:

  1. 1,200 articles about towns in Austria — every single one which didn't have a category declaration directly on it, but instead was relying solely on the template to transclude its categories — went careening onto the Uncategorized Articles toolserver list even though the transcluded categories themselves were still showing on the pages.
  2. Also even though the transcluded categories were still showing, all of the affected articles fail to actually show up on the category pages.

In truth, per WP:TCAT templates shouldn't be artificially transcluding content categories onto articles anyway, so in reality the category transclusion code should be stripped from the infobox entirely. I've started to add the appropriate category declarations, but there are still close to 900 articles to deal with — in the meantime, could you double check your edit just in case there was a coding error that might have produced the unintended results? Thanks. Bearcat (talk) 10:27, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

It seems that the closing braces of that added code were misplaced, so I have undone the edit for now. Perhaps GoingBatty would like to double-check and reapply the correct code? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:34, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
@Bearcat and MSGJ: Thanks to both of you for letting me know about my error and reverting my edit. I apologize for the disruption this caused. I've redone the edit in Template:Infobox Town AT/sandbox. Would you like to check my work before I copy this to the live template?
Note that there are many templates that automatically add categories, which means there are hundreds of user pages incorrectly categorized. I added 18 other {{main other}} templates yesterday (and others in the past), but there are still more to be done. Of course, removing the category from the template could be done as well. Thanks again! GoingBatty (talk) 13:58, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
No worries. Just for the record, I do understand what you were trying to accomplish — I encounter userspace pages in articlespace categories all the time and make it a priority to remove them too. It's unfortunate that sometimes a good idea accidentally has negative side effects, isn't it? (Heck, even using infoboxes to automatically generate categories in the first place is admittedly something that probably seemed like a great idea at the time.) I'll leave it to MSGJ to verify your template draft, though, because I know very little about template syntax and wouldn't be able to diagnose a coding error if I tried. Thanks again. Bearcat (talk) 18:09, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
@Bearcat: FYI - I have a bot that goes through the user pages in Wikipedia:Database reports/Polluted categories and comment out the article categories, which I try to run weekly when the report gets regenerated. However, it doesn't fix those user pages that have the categories assigned via navbox or infobox, and therefore only the top 1000 categories are listed. I started reviewing the skipped pages last night and adding {{main other}}. Hopefully we'll get this under control soon! GoingBatty (talk) 18:24, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
If you haven't seen this yet, it looks like after MSGJ reverted the initial change, another user (User:Frietjes) reviewed the situation and reapplied main other at a different spot in the code — and at the very least, their edit didn't cause any pages to bounce back into the uncats queue again. (It did cause some of the pages to start displaying extraneous bits of template code, but that seems to be fixable with a simple null edit.) So far, so good... Bearcat (talk) 18:31, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
@Bearcat: Thanks for the heads up. I'd bet the extraneous code is leftover from my bad edit, and the null edit is loading the good work done by Frietjes. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 18:37, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Re: Dubious "fixes" of abbreviated months

@J. Johnson: I agree that it would have been inappropriate to run BattyBot's task 25 until I responded to your posts at User talk:BattyBot#Dubious "fixes" of abbreviated months. While we continue our discussion here, BattyBot can stay busy doing other unrelated tasks. On to my responses:

1) Please see Special:Contributions/BattyBot to see that the edit summary for the CS1 errors: dates now include a link to MOS:DATEFORMAT, per your suggestion.

2) MOS:DATEFORMAT does not specify that any "abbreviated months" that are different from "short month name" are appropriate. If you would like to propose a change to the MOS to give guidance on "abbreviated months", please start a thread at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers. It does say that short month names are appropriate "Only in references, tables, lists or areas where conciseness is needed", and the bot is carefully programmed to only change the dates in references. Feel free to review the code at User:BattyBot/CS1_errors-dates.

3) The bot intentionally doesn't try to force any consistency because MOS:DATEUNIFY states "nearly any consistent style may be used", and I don't think a bot can determine which of the rules at WP:STRONGNAT and WP:DATERET should apply. Instead, I set up the rules to change the dates to meet MOS:DATEFORMAT with a minimum of change. Converting bad date formats to good date formats should get the article closer to a unified format, but it may need human editors to do so. For example, let's look at the article you mentioned, Siletzia. Before the bot made it's edit, there were several different styles already in use, so the article wasn't in compliance with MOS:DATEUNIFY:

  • Arnold, R. (24 Sep 1906)
  • Cady, W. M. (Sep.—Oct. 1975)
  • Chan, C. F.; Tepper, J. H.; Nelson, B. K. (July/August 2012)
  • Dickinson, W. R. (September 1976)
  • Goldfinger, C.; Kulm, L. D.; Yeats, R. S.; McNeill, L.; Hummon, C. (April 10, 1997)
  • Hammond, P. E. (14 March 1979)
  • Sharp, W. D.; Clague, D. A. (Sept. 2006)
By converting "Sept." to "Sep", the bot removed one style, bringing it closer to MOS:DATEUNIFY.

4) You stated "The proper correction for an abbreviated month, especially where the context already includes full month names generally, is — the full month name". However, by reverting the bot's edit, you reintroduced "Sept.", which by your own definition is "inconsistent, and thus incorrect."

While the second bullet in WP:DATERET suggests "The date format chosen by the first major contributor in the early stages of an article should continue to be used....", it doesn't apply to Siletzia because the first major contributor didn't choose a consistent date format. Since you're the first major contributor for this article, I'll give you the opportunity to fix the article to meet MOS:DATEFORMAT and MOS:DATEUNIFY before the bot swings by again. I could make the argument that WP:STRONGNAT suggests that all of the reference dates should be in mdy format, and I would be happy to manually do this with full names if you like.

Thanks for your feedback, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 22:41, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

You don't seem to be listening (or reading) very carefully. Please attend more carefully.
1) Pointing to MOS:FORMAT does NOT explain, let alone justify, your changes. You're just waving at a set of largely irrelevant statements; that does not constitute a useful argument.
2) As you seemed to have missed this the first time around I will bold it for you: MOS:DATEFORMAT lists acceptable date formats. It does not require, recommend, suggest, or condone conversion of abbreviated months to "short month name". Also, you seem to not understand the limitation of "where conciseness is needed". Conciseness is not an issue here; your substitutions are NOT appropriate.
3) The bot "doesn't try to force consistency"? Bullshit. I will grant that it failed to do so, but your intent and argument is entirely on enforcing consistency. Only, you're not, not really. Changing every "Sept." to "Sep" did not reduce inconsistency (actually increased it). And leaving a mixture of "September" and "Sep" is the exact example shown in MOS:DATEUNIFY as incorrect:

but not

  • Jones, J. (20 Sep 2008)
  • Smith, J. (September 2002)
4) Before your bot came along my references were in perfect consistency to the extent there were no instances of "short month names" ("Sep"). I reject your contention that any other kind of inconsistency grants you a right to introduce a new kind of inconsistency, heretofore unseen in that article, which at best only substitutes one kind of inconsistency for another. If you want "fix" anything you should conform to the majority usage, which in this case is full month name. I will give you the opportunity to expand all months in those references to "full name". But do keep in mind that the preferred format here (corresponding with general scientific usage) is dmy.
This is getting tiresome. If Battybot messes up again I will see about having it shut down. ~ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 22:24, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
J. Johnson, Re Siletzia: I have fixed a number of inconsistencies in the date formatting. There were quite a few (I count 17) instances of date parameters with shortened month names. With this edit, I lengthened those month names. I also changed one instance of "month day, year" formatting. I believe that the five different date formats in use in the article before BattyBot arrived have been reduced to one: "[day] fullmonth[–fullmonth2] year" (where [brackets] indicate a value that is sometimes present). I may have missed a couple, since I did all of this editing manually. I also noticed that the abbreviated first initials of authors were inconsistently spaced, so I fixed as many of those as I saw.
In a subsequent edit, I fixed a half dozen Harvard referencing errors and fixed some abbreviated initials that I had missed on the first pass. Thank you for your dedicated work on this article, and for engaging in civil discourse with others like yourself who are working to build a great encyclopedia. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:07, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing the months (esp. for doing it correctly). Also for catching the Luetgert mispelling. (Well, it was consistent!) I see you also replaced "coauthors" with "lastn" (thanks again); I'd forgotten the Lua mods increased "n". Do you recall what the limit is on that? ~ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 23:41, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
As far as I know, there is no limit to the number of authors that can be displayed. The old limit was nine authors, and the module will still display eight authors and "et al." for exactly nine authors (along with an error message), since it is unclear whether there are actually nine authors or if there are more that were not listed by the editor who originally added the source. To get rid of that error message for a source with exactly nine authors, you can use |displayauthors=9 (or a higher number) to make your intentions clear. The same situation applies for the old limit of exactly four editors.
The error messages will go away once all of the nine-author citations have been made unambiguous. That will be a while, though. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:37, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
@Jonesey95: Thanks for doing a great job fixing the references in the article! I found one other date in the reference section in "fullmonth day, year" format, which I changed to "day fullmonth year" format, per J. Johnson's request. I also took the liberty to add {{use dmy dates}}, so all future editors will understand what format to use.
@J. Johnson: I'm doing my best to read your posts very carefully, and have spent over an hour analyzing the article history and the bot's edits, and attempted to provide a more complete response this time.
We agree that MOS:DATEFORMAT lists acceptable date formats. We also agree that it does not mention anything about converting abbreviated months to "short month name". In fact, it does not mention or define "abbreviated months" at all. It does indicate that either full month name or short month name are acceptable, but that we shouldn't mix them within an article. However, when you loaded the references for Siletzia back in this edit from April 2013, you included "24 Sept. 1906", "10 Sep. 1999", "Sept. 1980" and "September 2010", among others.
We can both see that MOS:DATEFORMAT indicates that short month names are acceptable "only in references, tables, lists or areas where conciseness is needed." Some editors want to use short month names in references, and others don't. Just by looking at the article, I was unable to tell what you want in this article, and what you want is very important, since you created it. I'm glad you specified the correct date format here, so we could fix the article for you.
You stated that before the bot came along, there were no instances of short month names such as "Sep". You're right - the state of the article on December 30 (before the bot's first edit on December 30), the article still contained "24 Sept. 1906", "10 Sep. 1999", "Sept. 1980" and "September 2010", among others. So in the bot's first edit on December 30, it changed several dates (including "24 Sept. 1906" to "24 Sep 1906"), but did not change "Sept. 1980". While this first edit got some of the dates in line with my understanding of MOS:DATEFORMAT, it created inconsistency by not changing all of the dates. This inconsistency remained until the bot's second edit on January 7, when it changed "Sept. 1980" to "Sep 1980". This second edit is the one you reverted and mentioned on the bot's talk page. In my previous response, I was so narrowly focused on the edit you reverted and the status of the article at that time of the second edit that I failed to see the first edit. I apologize for the oversight when giving my previous response.
While it was a painful process, I'm glad that now the dates in the article are finally consistent! If you have any other articles that you would like me to fix manually for you, please let me know. As you can see above in my talk page, Jonesey95 and I have been continually working to add new rules to the bot to prevent the partial fixes like the one you mentioned. However, if you see any other poor edits that the bot is making, please let me know, and together we can determine the best way to fix the article. Thanks for keeping me on my toes, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 03:35, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
@J. Johnson: Your thoughts at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#RFC: Month abbreviations would be appreciated. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 04:06, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
You're welcome. I have only skimmed over your last comments as, frankly, I really don't have the time, and am a little annoyed at the time I have had to spend on this. But I will offer several suggestions. First, forget about the "short month names" ("xxx", no period). Aside from specific contexts ("where conciseness is required") they should not be used. And most certainly you should not be converting to them. (And, please, no arugment about this.) Second, if you are going do any mass conversions I suggest you look for the predominant style, and switch to that. However, (third) consider using some kind of tag before do any mass conversions. E.g., you could insert a tag that announces a certain conversion is contemplated (describe it), and asks if anyone objects. (It is really annoying when some bot blows through town making all kinds of dubious changes without any warning.) Finally, what your edit summary should link to is a detailed explanation (not just waving at some mention in the MOS) of what is done and the justification for it. ~ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 23:33, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
@J. Johnson: I'm sorry that you feel annoyed by the time you chose to invest in this conversation. (If your first post had said something like "I don't agree with the edits your bot made to Siletzia. Please change all the reference dates to dmy format with full month names", we could have been done a lot faster.) You have always had the power to decide to end this conversation whenever you want. I'm glad you decided to take the time to share your thoughts and concerns, and I will always give you the courtesy of a response whenever you choose to post here.
Each of the bot's rules looks at the style of the date in question, and attempts to adjust it with a minimum disruption to the style of that particular date (e.g. "24. Augst 2013" → "24 August 2013", "Augst 24. 2013" → "August 24, 2013", "2013.8.24" → "2013-08-24"). While changing all of the citation dates to the predominant style is certainly acceptable per WP:DATERET, some editors would want the article to be changed to the "date format chosen by the first major contributor" (also WP:DATERET) or "the more common date format for that nation" (WP:STRONGNAT) or even dmy per general scientific usage with full month names because conciseness is not required. Since there's no good way for the bot to tell what is desired, it would be very controversial to have the bot convert acceptable date formats from one style to another. (However, there's a great script you can use to do this quickly, or you can ask me for assistance if you like.)
The articles that have issues in the date fields are already tagged in Category:CS1 errors: dates. It was decided to have the bot clean up as many articles as possible to match MOS:DATEFORMAT before tagging each citation with Check date value. However, if you're eager to see the tags early, you can follow the instructions in Category:CS1 errors: dates to update your CSS stylesheet. (You may want to try it on Saul Alinsky, which will emphasize the two ambiguous dates that can't be changed by a bot.)
When Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#RFC: Month abbreviations is complete, I'll adjust the bot's rules and edit summary accordingly before proceeding. (Maybe linking to the RFC or the bot approval? I'll have to see what fits in the available space.)
Finally, I hope it makes you feel a little better that I've used your suggestions as the basis to propose a better process for fixing ISBN errors. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 02:18, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Unhappy :-(

I'm really unhappy about one CS1 change: using |website= as [the italicised] alias for "|work=". This potentially causes problems by de fact italicisation of all websites, contrary to what's stated at MOS:ITALIC, that these should be on a case by case basis. I do remember mentioning it at CS1 talk, but I seem to have been ignored. What to do? -- Ohc ¡digame! 05:00, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

@Ohconfucius: If |website= didn't exist, wouldn't we (and don't we already) have the same issue with |work=? GoingBatty (talk) 05:07, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
  • Well not really... Either way, we'll have a problem for websites. All that are defined as "works" fits in with the cs1 definition, and are consistently italicised as a matter of course, but websites creates a greater problem as most websites tend not to be capitalised. It would have made much more sense aliasing it to |publisher=. -- Ohc ¡digame! 06:13, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
@Ohconfucius: I asked a similar question at Help talk:Citation Style 1/Archive 4#Help with template: website?. Maybe you and Trappist can discuss this further? Or maybe on the MOS page? GoingBatty (talk) 02:32, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

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Langlands fundamental lemma

Nice job on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_lemma_%28Langlands_program%29 -- Perhaps consider adding a link to http://chronicle.com/article/Understanding-the-Langlands/124368/ which was an attempt to explain this in plain English... Thanks, Paul — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.140.149.244 (talk) 05:18, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

plus Added - thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 13:32, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

Invalid parameters

I am fixing them but I am not willing to keep a record in archives for all these since there are given case-by-case to avoid flooding the archives. rev 9873 and rev 9874 are for the 3 parameters you requested to be added. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:23, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

By the way, since you are an experienced editor and... bug reporter please in the workaround add something like "Update citeWebParameters in Parsers.cs" to help us change the code faster and educate more people in more sufficient workarounds. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:28, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

@Magioladitis: Sorry - I didn't realize that you were intentionally not archiving. I've compared citeWebParameters in Parsers.cs with the template documentation, and submitted one more bug request to hopefully take care of all the remaining parameters. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 18:04, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
rev 9875 for the complete list. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:14, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Eureka, California

Thank you for doing the Month Day Year date fixes on Eureka, California. Now how do we make it where no European comes along and tags it the other way (as they did before)? Local editors assumed that the DMY tag was the right thing to do and so changed the entire article - which you have now changed back! This could be a perpetual motion scenario! In any case, thank you for your edits, I think any future DMYs that show up will be met with flaming pages torn out of the "Book of Knowledge with Coffee Stain"! Ellin Beltz (talk) 18:39, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

@Ellin Beltz: Before I made this edit, I noticed that the article already contained {{use mdy dates}} (which also adds the article to a hidden category called Use mdy dates). By removing the tag, you may be making it more likely that someone else will add dates in the wrong format or even convert the whole article to dmy. I suggest you undo your recent edit to the article. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 20:40, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
I made a lot of other changes to the article, but I will go put that back. Thanks! Ellin Beltz (talk) 21:37, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Martineu family

Hi Batty Is this batty? i hope I am not annoying you.... please could you check - Martineu family Dr. James Martineau

Thanks if you get this - again you are so helpful. Mike — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.160.17.244 (talk) 06:21, 16 January 2014 (UTC)


Dear Batty, I have tried other editors but to no avail. Please could you look at the references fro te following 3 articles please!! 1) Martineau family 2) James Martineau 3) Philip Meadows Martineau Thanks so much AGAIN Cheers Mike

Hi Mike! Please don't post on my bot's talk page (unless it's related to the bot) or my user page. This talk page is the place to be.
I appreciate you adding valuable references to Wikipedia, but concerned you're still having problems doing so properly. Therefore, I suggest you do one of the following three options:
1. Provide the references on the article talk pages, and ask others to add them
2. Give up on the citation templates, and just use <ref>...</ref> tags, such as:
<ref>http://europepmc.org/articles/PMC1034057/pdf/medhist00134-0005.pdf</ref>
3. Learn how to use the citation templates properly.
If you want to pursue the last option, let's look at this edit you made to Martineau family. Since this comes from an academic journal, I suggest you use {{cite journal}} instead of {{cite web}} as follows:
Parameter You added Instead, use this Comments
last Batty Shaw Shaw I'm guessing his last name is "Shaw", not "Batty Shaw". Ignore this if I'm wrong
first A. A. Batty See above
title http://europepmc.org/articles/PMC1034057/pdf/medhist00134-0005.pdf The Norwich School of Lithotomy This is the title of the article, not just the url a second time
url http://europepmc.org/articles/PMC1034057/pdf/medhist00134-0005.pdf http://europepmc.org/articles/PMC1034057/pdf/medhist00134-0005.pdf Perfect - no change needed
work The Norwich School of Lithotomy Medical History The name of the journal
publisher A. Batty Shaw Cambridge University Press Shaw didn't publish the journal
date July 1970 additional info
accessdate Jan 15, 2013 15 January 2013 dd mmm yyyy format, per the other references
pmc 1034507 additional info
pages 221-259 additional info
volume 14 additional info
issue 3 additional info
Please change the reference in Martineau family and the references in the other two articles, and then post right in this section, and I'll be happy to look again. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 03:27, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Dear Batty, Thanks so much for your help. You are very professional. I tried to use the journal template as you suggested. It was going well until I found that I could not find where to put publisher OR pmc etc. Please look at what I have done below. I think that I do understand what the url is now so thanks. But it is not easy! Cheers Mike - see below http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martineau_family#Martineau_family_of_Norwich — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.144.168.82 (talk) 23:08, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Nice job - we're part of the way there. Since you added a new reference, I deleted the original version of the reference. Please change the current reference (don't add a new one) as follows:
You added Instead, use this Comments
|date=1970|month=July |date=July 1970 The |month= parameter is deprecated, so it is not visible
|doi=Publisher?? - Cambridge Univerity |publisher=Cambridge University Press
|accessdate=January 15th, 2014 |accessdate=15 January 2014 Stick with the date format used in the rest of the article
|pmc=1034507 add the |pmc= parameter anywhere in the citation
Let me know how it works out - thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 23:28, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi again Batty thanks for checking my work - but it's "history" page show some red letters in the references - the term "poi" and then an "equal" sign - it doesn't look right -should this be fixed up? I am too scared to alter the James Martineau page in case I don't get it right! How would you fix up the James Martineau page - or ois it OK. I hope I am not irritating you. Cheers Mike — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.144.168.82 (talk) 23:32, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Right - it's showing {{{1}}} because you entered |doi=Publisher?? - Cambridge Univerity, and it expects a Digital object identifier in that field. Since we don't have one of those, just make the change I suggested above, and the error will magically disappear!
Also, don't forget to end your talk page messages here with ~~~~, which will automagically add your signature and date/time. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 23:37, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Untitled

Dear Batty I have just done an edit (the new way you suggested) for

1) James Martineau and 2)Prince Leopold, Duke of Albany

I have done them well - I THINK!- could you check please. Thanks cheers Mike

Hi Mike! If the reader of the article can see "http://www......" in the reference section, you haven't done the references well. The |title= parameter is for the title of the newspaper article or the title of the web page. Please try again! GoingBatty (talk) 02:26, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Invitation

Hi. I am conducting a survey of most active Wikipedians, regarding reasons they may reduce their activity. I would be very interested in having you participate in it. Would you be interested? (If you reply to me here, please WP:ECHO me). Thank you for your consideration, --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:21, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

@Piotrus: Thanks for the invitation - how can I help? GoingBatty (talk) 17:37, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for taking time to answer. Would you take part in a short (~4 questions) anonymous survey? It should take 5 minutes or less. If so, since your email is disabled here, would you email me so I could send you the answers? If you'd like to use a disposable email to protect your privacy I can recommend Mailinator (my email is piokon at post dot pl). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 19:40, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks to BattyBot

Hey GoingBatty, I would sincerely like to thank you and your bot friend BattyBot for fixing a mistake on my user page. I really appreciate it. Your bot friend has permission to edit my other pages (i.e. format storage and desk) as long as s/he does not break or vandalize the pages. You have my word!

Warm regards, Helixsoft (Talk|Contributions|Templates|Userboxes) 21:36, 13 January 2014 (UTC).

@Helixsoft: Thanks for the kind words! It appears that there are no subcategories of Category:Wikipedians for bloggers. Maybe you'd like to create one to use in your upcoming blogger userbox? Your other pages don't have any article categories, so no more visits by BattyBot needed. Thanks again, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 04:02, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks from me too. I forgot to unlike my userspace categories, and your bot fixed that. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 10:19, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
My pleasure! GoingBatty (talk) 17:19, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Battybot: question re "dead end", suggestion re "uncategorised"

Hallo, in this edit the bot removed {{dead end}} and replaced it by {{underlinked}}. As far as I can see there are still no links, at all, in the article, so "dead end" was appropriate. Why did the bot change it?

And here's a suggestion to improve the both, arising from that same edit. While I can see that {{uncategorised}} was no longer accurate (I usually remember to fix it myself in this situation), could I suggest an improvement over just removing it? If the bot finds {{uncategorised}} and the only categories are Category:Living people, or categories for birth and death dates (present or the various forms of absence), it would be much more helpful for the bot to add {{catimprove}} rather than simply removing the "uncategorised" tag. These articles have no categorisation which might lead them into the hands of a person or project interested in expanding them (football, medicine, Ancient Rome, etc: "Biography" is just too wide in scope). I've been focussing mainly on people recently - emptying Category:People stubs by stub-sorting them - so can't think for the moment whether there are any similar categories in other fields which leave an article basically uncategorised ... can't see anything much around "Geography", "Places", "Villages" (I've cleared up a couple of oddments just now, but not a major problem). PamD 09:34, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

@PamD: Today I submitted an AWB bug report for the incorrect removal of {{dead end}}. There are already AWB feature requests to add {{cat improve}} when the article only contains Category:Living people and birth/death categories. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 14:01, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
rev 9891 fixes the bug. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:25, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks both for replies. Glad to know the deadend thing has been fixed. I see we've been waiting 3 1/2 years already for AWB to be clever about {{catimprove}}... I'll just have to be even more careful to change the tag when I add {{subst:L|nnnn|nnnn|sortkey}} to biog stubs while I sort them. PamD 16:01, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
@Magioladitis: AWB SVN rev 9891 is still removing {{dead end}}. Did you also need to update ParsersTests.cs, per rev 8885? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 00:06, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
Example page? -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:13, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
@Magioladitis: Same page: Tomohisa Sako. GoingBatty (talk) 00:14, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
Bug is independed from "prod blp/dated". -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:19, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
The two interwiki links are considered as links by AWB's logic. No idea why. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:21, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
Confirmed - I added the enwiki page to Wikidata and removed the interwiki links, and now I don't have the issue. GoingBatty (talk) 00:26, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

I checked for invisible characters but there were none. Maybe we completely removed the logic for interwikis? I do not think so. I'll investigate further. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:31, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Updated for date

Hi, why did you make this edit. The source uses 'updated' and thus it is not clear when it was originally produced, so adding updated is more accurate. Eldumpo (talk) 08:03, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

@Eldumpo: See Template:Cite web#COinS and WP:SAYWHEREYOUREADIT. GoingBatty (talk) 12:45, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for response. I believe your first link is important for this point, the second is I don't think as relevant as the issue is about marking 'updated'. Anyway, I raised a query at [1] and you may want to post there. Eldumpo (talk) 20:10, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
This is just to say thanks for fine tuning to my articles. Cheers Ashishlohorung (talk) 23:34, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 14:12, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Scarchives Vol. 1

Merge discussion for Bend Over and Pray the Lord

An article that you have been involved in editing, Bend Over and Pray the Lord , has been proposed for a merge with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going here, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. SilentDan297 talk 00:09, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

AWB manual

Goingbatty and Bgwhite, AWB manual may need update. Please check and help us update it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:59, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

@Magioladitis: I would appreciate if you could please update those parts marked as This part of the AWB manual needs help in explaining its function. Were there any specific sections of the manual that you thought we could help to update? GoingBatty (talk) 15:15, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
My main concern is the new things we added in WP:GENFIXES. Compare with WP:AWB/H. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:21, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
 Working on adding things to WP:AWB/UM and WP:AWB/GF where I can figure them out.
Noticed that Conversions states that it bypasses redirects for a small number of templates such as {{Multiple issues}} and {{Citation needed}}. Was this functionality removed when WP:AWB/TR was added? GoingBatty (talk) 17:29, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. I updated Conversions. It was really outdated. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:42, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Musikhjälpen

Allen3 talk 16:52, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Emma Knyckare

Allen3 talk 16:52, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Thomas Hodges (Artist)

Hi,

You may recall that some time back we were in contact regarding this artist: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Hodges_(artist). I am one of his representatives, and for some time now I have been seeing edits to his page, which quite frankly seem to be nothing more than a conspiracy against the artist, with edits removing important links pertaining to his awards and also editing his biographical information so as to render it inaccurate. For example, the biography now states that Hodges' father was a photographer, when it should state Hodges' father was a keen amateur photographer (his father was never engaged as a photographer!).

Unfortunately, I am no expert at editing Wikipedia and my last attempt led to abuse and insults from other editors who as I have said, seem to be on some kind of witch hunt against this artist. As such, I am wondering if you could add additional information as required, extracted from the links that I am posting here-under. Perhaps at that stage, you might also remove the latest flag that has been posted at the head of the page. I am also wondering as to why Hodges' profile photo was removed and why some images of his best known works cannot be included on the page (as is the case with numerous other artist's listings).

With regard to updates, Hodges was a featured artist at the 2012 Taiwan Photo Fair, when he showed his mixed-media works (part photographic/part digital art), which is another factor as to why Hodges is frequently being referred to as a "photographer" by these Wikipedia editors, when in-fact he works with a variety of media, including oils and sculpture.

In 2009 he was interviewed at the Cannes International Art Show: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8aijElB7gU (this may already be referenced in Wikipedia, to be honest I haven't checked)

This is Taiwan Photo in October 2012: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNF-sA8edLM

In January 2012 he also showed works in Cork Street, London, which is referenced here: http://theroamingeye.wordpress.com/2012/01/18/photo-shows-the-first-art-erotica-show-opens-in-london-tomorrow/

In June 2012 his work pertaining to Venice, Italy was also subject to an editorial: http://www.fearlesspress.com/2013/06/12/capturing-italy’s-long-history-of-eroticism-in-modern-art/

Towards the end of 2012, he was listed as one of 106 artists "super hot artists" by the prominent NYC based journalist, critic and collector Michael K. Corbin: http://artbookguy.com/106-super-hot-artists-_571.html. Michael also conducted an extensive interview, which can be found here: http://artbookguy.com/thomas-hodges-global-journey_563.html.

More recently (January 2014) Hodges work was shown as a backdrop to the event "World of Fashion", which is an integral part of Rome Fashion Week, at which time his latest major art project was announced, which is "Le Tre Grazie", and which being produced by Italian arts producer Bielle Re Srl. The latter will be officially announced at a major press conference in April 2014, and comprises 26 large format artworks, a video art and a published monograph of the series. The series is scheduled to open at a major Milan based gallery towards the end of this year, to a VIP guest list. The following links all pertain to the aforementioned (you will note that "H24 Notizie" which is a prominent news source in Italy, actually liken Hodges to famed photographer Helmut Newton):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sTcBWGjFhw

http://www.h24notizie.com/news/2014/01/27/videoaltaroma-world-fashion-moda-e-arte-per-una-magica-serata/

http://www.ilsecolonuovo.com/2014/02/01/a-roma-consensi-per-il-world-of-fashion-2014/

http://www.certinews.it/giuseppe-lepore-produce-thomas-hodges-primo-progetto-italia-per-un-artista-arcinoto-2/

http://www.laprovinciaonline.info/World-of-Fashion-2014-un-successo.html?var_mode=calcul

In addition to Hodges prominence as an artist, he also serves an art journalist, writing on a regular basis for the U.K. based arts blog AAD (Arts, Antiques and Design): http://www.art-antiques-design.net/content.cfm?cID=408. Also as a curator for ourselves (Expo-Arts Foundation) and additionally as an arts teacher. He has a very detailed LinkedIn profile where all of the above links (and others) can be found, together with a string of top-tier references. If you happen to be a member of LinkedIn, you should be able to access that information (http://www.linkedin.com/in/thodges) or otherwise a copy of his LinkedIn CV can be access via this link: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7561657/ThomasHodges.pdf.

One of the latest edits of Hodges page here on Wikipedia has deleted significant information on the basis that it only relates to blog references. That individual seems totally unaware of the significant importance and influence of blogs and bloggers, some of which enjoy international acclaim.

If you are able to update this artist's listing from the information I have provided above, it would be extremely helpful, especially as the artist is currently entering into a phase of his career that will trust him into the public eye (notably with the bench-mark series of works "Le Tre Grazie". As I say, I would do it myself, but a) I am not competent to do so, and b) I did not appreciate the harassment the previous occasion I endeavoured to do so.

On a final note, I am wondering if Wikipedia makes provision for recourse against editors who are seemingly acting vindictively against a specific listing, as seems to be the case here. Certainly many edits seem only intended to delete information, with others actually being amended to provide inaccurate information. Is there a process at my disposal that I can bring these unjust actions to somebody of a high importance in Wikipedia, or is Wikipedia ultimately just a database of worthless information, given that editors seem at liberty to delete and amend exactly as they wish, according to the mood and personal agenda of the individual concerned?

I appreciate what assistance and input you are able to provide and thank you in anticipation.

Expoarts (talk) 20:36, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

@Expoarts: First, please assume good faith towards the volunteer editors here. I don't see any basis for classifying the edits of this one editor as a "conspiracy", "witch hunt" or "acting vindictively" in this case. Per Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide, the first place to post is the article's talk page: Talk:Thomas Hodges (artist). The guide does indicate where to go if civil discussion is not successful.
It appears that the picture of Hodges at File:Thomashodges.jpg was deleted back in July 2012 because there was no evidence of permission. Per Wikipedia:Uploading images, Wikipedia is very concerned about the copyright status of images and other files, and images without the proper copyright notices will be deleted. Images of the artist or his works can be included if they have the proper copyright status, but I'm not an expert in this area. If you have images you want to upload, try Help:Introduction to uploading images. If you are aware of free images on the internet that could be uploaded, try posting your suggestions on Talk:Thomas Hodges (artist).
In this edit, the editor removed statements saying that Hodges was interviewed by Duclerck, Incubus’ Choice, Real Nude Art, Liberaeva, the b-uncut blog, the Art of Love, and Innovatrs blog. My guess is that the editor deleted the statements because they believed that these websites/blogs did not meet Wikipedia's notability guideline for web content, and therefore the fact that Hodges were interviewed for them wouldn't be notable either. However, note that the editor did NOT delete the statements in the article that were sourced by some of these interviews. Therefore, I suggest you focus on the content of the interviews if you need to provide sources for information. In this edit, information about Hodges' work from private collections was removed. You certainly can ask why this information was removed (either at Talk:Thomas Hodges (artist) or the editor's talk page), but I suggest you instead continue to focus on gathering more important information about Hodges' more recent work and awards with reliable sources, and post a request on Talk:Thomas Hodges (artist) stating that you have a conflict of interest but would like information added to the article to demonstrate that Hodges meets Wikipedia's notability guideline for people. Note that self-published YouTube videos don't count as reliable sources, but several of the other sources you provided may be more promising.
You mentioned that Hodges' father was an amateur photographer. I updated the article to make this clarification, but would be great if you had a reliable source that could be used to cite that piece of information. Similarly, it would be great if you had reliable sources for any of the facts labelled with [citation needed].
I'll add Hodges' article back to my watchlist, and keep an eye out for any inappropriate activities by other editors. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 22:16, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
@GoingBatty: Thank you for your feed-back. My comment about vindictive editing of this artist's page was not pertaining uniquely to the last edit, it was pertaining also to previous editors. I maintain my stance that numerous past comments and edits are biased. As such, I will check the guide you reference. Currently, and in comparison to numerous other similar pages, I can see no reason why this article in question should be flagged, as the notability of this artist is clearly proven. With regard to copyright of images, Hodges himself owns the copyright and he obviously consented to there use. As you suggest, I will bring this and other information to the attention of editors via the Talk:Thomas Hodges (artist) page. I will also enquire why the summary list of private collections was deleted. The videos I referred you to were not uploaded by Hodges himself (as is blatantly obvious from the video content), so I am at a loss to understand why you make reference to this? As I have stated, I am not an experienced editor of Wikipedia, nor do I have any interest in becoming so, but it seems to me that certain actions and edits defy basic common sense. My only interest is that this artist's page is displayed factually and accurately and that the prejudicial edits and flags be corrected. I will post information to Talk:Thomas Hodges (artist) as you suggest and await for somebody to make the changes. I will also check to see if and where I can assist with the citations.
Hodges' father was a keen amateur photographer who passed away in 1987. I find it unrealistic that you should suggest I might have a reliable source that could be used to site that information. Hodges is my source, as he obviously knew his own father! (again I have to question the logic of Wikipedia!)]
Thank you for adding this article to your watch list. Expoarts (talk) 20:56, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
@Expoarts: I looked at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8aijElB7gU which appears to be uploaded by Hodges. You're right that it's not intuitive that Hodges can't be directly used as a reference for his own article. Instead, if Hodges shares that information with "reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy", we can then cite that published source. Making the change about Hodges' father from "photographer" to "amateur photographer" didn't seem like a big deal, so I made it without a source. However, the more sources you can provide, the better claim you'll be able to make that Hodges meets Wikipedia's notability requirements. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 21:39, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
@GoingBatty: There is a distinct difference between "self-published" and "uploaded". Whilst Hodges may have uploaded the video in question to his own YouTube page, he most certainly did not publish it (as is quite obvious, given that it is an interview with a television news channel). In whatever case, I have now posted the link to the original TVN posting of the video in question.
I have no idea as to the correct procedure to post to Talk:Thomas Hodges (artist), but I have posted as an edit to both the "Notability?" sections and the "Concerns about recent edits" sections. However, I don't know if these should be posted to the top or base of the existing comments. Perhaps you would be kind enough to take a look and advise if I have posted correctly?
As far as I can see, Hodges already meets Wikipedia's notability requirements and as such, the flag at the header of his page should be removed (and questionably should not have been put there in the first place).
I'm going to check other citation requests on the page and post whatever information into Talk:Thomas Hodges (artist), creating a new section. However, in the links I have already provided, in doing so, I have also provided requested citations. Thanks again for your assistance Expoarts (talk) 22:57, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
@Expoarts: I agree the original TVN posting gives a better appearance than a video Hodges uploaded himself. (I didn't watch the whole video - I stopped when I saw he uploaded it.) Since the previous discussions are now several years old, I moved your comments to new sections so they'll stand out. I'll also notify the editor who made the recent changes to the article that you've posted there. Thanks, and good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 01:11, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Super Bowl XLVIII

Northamerica1000 has given you a Gatorade shower!

(To give an editor a Gatorade shower, place {{subst:Gatorade shower|message= ~~~~}} on their talk page along with an optional customized message.)

Thanks for your work to improve the sourcing and reference formatting in the Super Bowl XLVIII article. Northamerica1000(talk) 04:10, 5 February 2014 (UTC)}}

Thanks! (now to find a towel...) GoingBatty (talk) 04:12, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Sure thing. Happy editing, Northamerica1000(talk) 04:59, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi

Take a look at Mille Markovic and Lars-Inge Svartenbrandt. Regards,--BabbaQ (talk) 22:33, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

  • you might have some further ideas, but for now i have run my scripts on them. -- Ohc ¡digame! 00:32, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
@BabbaQ and Launchballer: I've updated these pages as well - mostly updating the references. Reflinks does an OK job, but every suggestion it makes should be confirmed and fixed before saving the edits. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 02:30, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
Take a look at Eva Rydberg and Sussie Eriksson. Cheers.--BabbaQ (talk) 15:47, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
I have created an article about Lexbase.--BabbaQ (talk) 19:56, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
@BabbaQ: I've looked at each of these articles and made some minor changes. What's the best way to deorphan Lexbase? GoingBatty (talk) 18:33, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Picking wrong date format

In this edit you fixed the problem using dmy when mdy or yyyy=mm-dd would have matched what already existed. Those are the common formats for US based articles. Given that the dates are already in mdy with a typo, it makes this all the more interesting. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:32, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

@Vegaswikian: Thanks for letting me know about my mistake. Following your lead, I've changed all the dates to mdy. GoingBatty (talk) 19:44, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Alcazar

Could you take a look at Alcazar (band), I have tried to improve the article yesterday but always good with more edits from other users as well :).--BabbaQ (talk) 15:09, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

 Done! GoingBatty (talk) 16:01, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
  • I had an edit conflict with you. I tried correcting some of the collateral damage, but there seemed to be some I missed... -- Ohc ¡digame! 16:08, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
@Ohconfucius: I think I fixed the rest.
@BabbaQ: Per MOS:SEASON, would it be possible to replace the seasons with specific months? GoingBatty (talk) 16:22, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
@Ohconfucius: and Goingbatty sorry for asking you both at the same time. Causing this edit conflict :) Yes I will see what can be done :)--BabbaQ (talk) 16:39, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
  • i changed one "autumn" to "March" because the source was so dated, but the other made no sense. -- Ohc ¡digame! 00:42, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
I changed one "autumn" to "September", but don't know when the band decided to take their break in 2005, or when they would be back in 2007. Maybe BabbaQ could help with this. GoingBatty (talk) 00:49, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Feedback needed on using special characters

Hello. Thank you for using VisualEditor! Having editors use it is the best way for the Wikimedia Foundation to develop it into the best tool it can be.

While we always welcome general feedback (please report any issues in Bugzilla in the "VisualEditor" product or drop your feedback on the central feedback page on MediaWiki.org), the developers are especially interested right now in feedback on the special character inserter. This new tool is used for inserting special characters (including symbols like ₥, IPA pronunciation symbols, mathematics symbols, and characters with diacritics). It is intended to help people whose computers do not have good character inserters. For example, many Mac users prefer to use the extensive "Special Characters..." tool present at the bottom of the Edit menu in all applications or to learn the keyboard shortcuts for characters like ñ and ü.

The current version of the special characters tool in VisualEditor is very simple and very basic. It will be getting a lot of work in the coming weeks and months. It does not contain very many character sets at this time. (The specific character sets can be customized at each Wikipedia, so that each project could have a local version with the characters it wants.) But the developers want your ideas at this early stage about ways that the overall concept could be improved. I would appreciate your input on this question, so please try out the character inserter and tell me what changes to the design would (or would not!) best work for you.

Screenshot of the Insert menu in VisualEditor
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Screenshot of Special Characters tool
This is the ⧼visualeditor-specialcharacterinspector-title⧽ inserter as it appears on many wikis. (Some may have customized it.) Your feedback on this tool is particularly important.

Issues you might consider:

  • How often do you normally use Wikipedia's character inserters?
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  • The wikitext editor has never included many symbols and characters, like ℗ and ♀. Do you find that you need these missing characters? If the character inserter in VisualEditor includes hundreds or thousands of special characters, will it be overwhelming? How will you find the character you want? What should be done for users without enough space to display more than a few dozen characters?
  • Should the character inserter be statically available until dismissed? Should it hover near the mouse? Should it go away on every selection or 10 seconds after a selection with no subsequent ones?
  • Some people believe that the toolbar already has too many options—how would you simplify it?

The developers are open to any thoughts on how the special character inserter can best be developed, even if this requires significant changes. Please leave your views on the central feedback page, or, if you'd prefer, you can contact me directly on my talk page. It would be really helpful if you can tell me how frequently you need to use special characters in your typical editing and what languages or other special characters are important to you.

Thank you again for your work with VisualEditor and for any feedback you can provide. I really do appreciate it.

P.S. You might be interested in the current ideas about improving citations, too. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 00:20, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Tommy Zethraeus

I have created an article about Tommy Zethraeus as I was surprised there was not one already. Take a look.--BabbaQ (talk) 17:09, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

 Done (but not much to do - nice job!) GoingBatty (talk) 02:11, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links/February 2014

I think if we get a few more disambiguators involved, we can accomplish a historic clearing-of the-board at Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links/February 2014. Jump in and help out? bd2412 T 17:23, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Debating the worldwide gross of Percy Jackson:Sea of Monsters

Hey, so they are two reliable sources for the film's gross:Box office Mojo and Boxoffice.com. And both of them differ. So I think we should list both of them, or if the viewer checks our article listing box office mojo and then sees boxoffice.com could get confused. And I'd recommend using a dollar sign before the film's gross as it does not have one right now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aqwertyabcd (talk • contribs) 12:49, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

@Aqwertyabcd: I found Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film/Archive 46#Which box office number site that should be use for references. but didn't see a resolution anywhere. GoingBatty (talk) 16:02, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

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 Fixed - Thanks ReferenceBot! GoingBatty (talk) 00:47, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

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College

Thanks for fixing the redirect. Due to this I noticed that we have Template:WikiProject College football and Template:WikiProject College Basketball. We have to standardise them. I think the best approach is to use lowercase letters in both "college" and "football/basketball". what do you think? Rich Farmbrough is expert on this and could advice us. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:43, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

@Magioladitis: It seems that the capitalization for Template:WikiProject College football is consistent with Wikipedia:WikiProject College football and Template:WikiProject College Basketball is consistent with Wikipedia:WikiProject College Basketball. I think the WikiProjects should decide the capitalizations, not me. However, it seems that most have at least the first word capitalized, so if I had to vote I'd at least want to keep "College" capitalized. 14:41, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Kitt Twins singles releases

Hello GoingBatty. You asked a very good question on the talk page of the Harp Twins. I just finished doing the research. Most of those "Single Releases" were made available for purchase on several websites, such as CDBaby, iTunes, and Amazon (plus they usually have a video) but I've detected three tracks that are on that list that have no video and were not made available for purchase either, but are merely on display on their SoundCloud page, so they should be taken out, I suppose. These are the three tracks that do not appear to be real singles since they were never sold:

Danny Boy

Rockin' Robin

Auld Lang Syne

I would have replied directly on the talk page but I agreed with Bgwhite not to edit the article (unless there is clear vandalism) or the talk page of the article. Here are all of the official singles (plus the two CDs) just in case you would like to double check, but I think I'm correct. Many thanks... Dontreader (talk) 03:17, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

@Dontreader: The CDBaby page is a good find, but it doesn't seem to back up the dates listed in the Wikipedia article. GoingBatty (talk) 03:34, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
Right! This one should work, but of course you must click on each single. Thanks for your time. Dontreader (talk) 04:18, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

Thanks for your occasional kind courtesy to improve my articles in Wikipedia. Cheers! Ashishlohorung (talk) 02:09, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
Thank you! GoingBatty (talk) 15:20, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

An RfC that you may be interested in...

As one of the previous contributors to {{Infobox film}} or as one of the commenters on it's talk page, I would like to inform you that there has been a RfC started on the talk page as to implementation of previously deprecated parameters. Your comments and thoughts on the matter would be welcomed. Happy editing!

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Misinterpretation of abbreviation KhZ

Hi, re this edit. I'm certain that where the previous text was "designed the RD-1 KhZ auxiliary rocket motor", the SI unit of frequency was not the term being abbreviated. It's likely to be a Russian abbreviation relating to rocketry, engineering, or possibly weapons.

The Cyrillic alphabet doesn't have any letters resembling the Latin letter Z, so these are likely to be Latin-script representations of the Cyrillic letters. If we transliterate back from Latin letters K h Z to the nearest-equivalent Cyrillic letters we get К х З, and the Russian Wikipedia has a dab page at the fully-capitalised form ru:КХЗ, so it's possible that the term is an abbreviation for Краснозаводский химический завод, which seems to be related to chemical engineering or weaponry. I would therefore say that changing to the capitalisation to kHz is incorrect, although KHZ or Khz might have been better. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:05, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

@Redrose64: Thanks for reverting my mistake and letting me know. I'm concerned that the next wikignome who does typo fixing will make a similar incorrect change. Normally I would add {{not a typo}}, but I'm hesitant to do so based on your statement that "KHZ or Khz might have been better". Suggestions? GoingBatty (talk) 01:11, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
Well, I'm still trying to work out what "KhZ" actually means, although MilborneOne has left a plausible suggestion at User talk:Mjroots#Meaning of the abbreviation KhZ. If the casing shown in the source is definitely "KhZ" but the meaning unclear, we can use {{sic|Kh|Z}} → KhZ [sic]; and if we can positively identify the abbreviated term, we can link to that, maybe omit the {{sic}}. --Redrose64 (talk) 07:53, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

RE: Dealdash corrections

Hi, never used this before, not sure if I'm doing it right.

I've been a Dealdash user since Aug 30, 2012, and have won over 100 auctions.

You said in your article that bids cost $0.60. Well, this is true, as far as it goes. However, bids are OFTEN on sale, for $0.18, $0.17, $0.16, or as low as $0.15. Those are the only sale prices I have seen. I generally count all bids as worth $0.15, since you can stock up when they are at their lowest price. If I run low and have to pay a higher price, I count the excess I pay as a financial loss, when it comes to calculating my profit/loss statement.

You can bid for bid packs on DD. They come in increments of 25, 40, 60, 70, 80, 150, 200, 300, 600, 800, 1000, 2000, and 5000 bids. However, a user is restricted to winning only one each 2000 and 5000 bidpack. If you use the Buy-It-Now feature on a bidpack to get your bids back, you almost always have to pay $0.60 per bid for the bidpack. So, a 25 bidpack would cost you $15 to BIN (getting your own bids back is then free).

A couple times this year they have run week-long promotions where the BIN price on bid packs was $0.20 per bid.

Some auctions for gift cards come with bids attached. For example, all $15 Amazon gift cards come with 10 bids attached. So, when you BIN it you have to pay $21. The most bids I've seen attached to a gift card was a $200 Amazon card with 150 bids attached. The BIN price was $290. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.7.47.234 (talk) 21:41, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi! I'm not familiar with DealDash at all. (The article was one of thousands that my bot has fixed.) I suggest you copy the above text and post it on Talk:DealDash, and provide any reliable sources that could be used for references, so an interested editor can improve the article. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 23:52, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Tyop Contest Conclusion!

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The Tyop Contest is over! Great job, everyone! Of the fourteen entrants, twelve fixed typos! The judges are very behind with the judging, but it will get done! Another note similar to this one will be sent out when the judging is complete to announce the winners. Check back again next January for the (hopeful) second running of the Tyop Contest, as this one went swell
Your judges, Jeffrd10 and Newyorkadam
Thanks to you for having the contest - look forward to the results, and to discussing future contests! GoingBatty (talk) 00:16, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

The Philosophy of Freedom

Your edit at PoF noted.[2]. No objection, but as the piped link is to "Free will", and those words are hidden in the piping, I have made the link at the the words "free will" in the introductory sentence before the quote, in order to let the link be removed from "See also". Qexigator (talk) 06:54, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

@Qexigator: I agree - your edits are an improvement. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 10:47, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Hello, newbie help

I have posted a proposed update to Lear Corporation on the Talk page and noticed you were the last editor there...I am completely new to this and wanted to declare a potential conflict of interest, we are only interest in having a neutral POV update to replace out of date info. Any help would be most appreciated. Regards, Srkaminsk (talk) 17:45, 20 March 2014 (UTC)srkaminsk

 Done - see Talk:Lear Corporation. GoingBatty (talk) 02:04, 21 March 2014 (UTC)


Thomas_Hodges_(artist)

I have just added a new link to the talk page of the above-referenced artist, which is the trailer of the latest documentary film on the artist. However, since we last communicated the page remains unchanged. No edits have been made and the page is still (wrongly in my opinion!) flagged.

Additionally, the edit of the artist's private works has still not been corrected, to read as it previously was (despite you saying you will notify the editor in question). I remain under the impression that this artist's page is being vindicated against. How do you suggest this situation be addressed, because as things currently stand, it is not acceptable? Expoarts (talk) 18:28, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

@Expoarts: I'm sorry that Sionk (or anyone else) didn't respond to your post. I added {{Request edit}} to your post in the hopes that it will draw some more attention to your request. GoingBatty (talk) 02:20, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, I hope this helps. I am confused how Wikipedia functions, what is to stop you making the edits yourself? Do the edits require specific editors? What is the usual procedure to ask for a page to be corrected when past edits have rendered it inaccurate? What is the time-frame one might expect to wait for such corrections to be made? Expoarts (talk) 21:16, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

I did not receive a reply to the questions I asked above and the page in question still requires correction and update. Thanks Expoarts (talk) 13:12, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

@Expoarts: Sorry it's taken so long to reply to you. Since Sionk was kind enough to reply to your post on Talk:Thomas Hodges (artist), I hope you will reply to Sionk and start a dialog that will result in the improvement of the article. Sionk is a member of WP:WikiProject Visual Arts, so I hope Sionk has the expertise required to assist you. Since Sionk added the notability tag, I hope Sionk will continue to address your thorough responses. I don't feel that I'm knowledgeable enough in the world of art to be able to review the 13 links you posted, determine what is notable, and compose the information for the article. (Similarly, I don't make major revisions to articles about nuclear physics, ancient literature, or the Kardashians.)
There are over 60,000 articles with topics of unclear notability which date back to February 2008.
Other than the notability tag and the fact that the article could be expanded to include more information, the only sentence in the article that I remember you mentioning was inaccurate was about Hodges' father, which I have fixed. If there are other specific sentences in the article which are inaccurate, I suggest you start a new section on the talk page that include the specific sentence(s), your proposed revision(s), and any reliable sources that could be used for citations. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 00:10, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

I have replied to Sionk, although I am not optimistic that this will result in improvement of the article. I remain of the opinion that the edits of this page are prejudicial. Expoarts (talk) 09:45, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Infobox query

I've copied the infobox from an accolades page Black Swan to another accolades page but when you click "show" it still pushes the main list down instead of opening to the side of it like it does on the Black Swan page. Here's the page I've added the infobox so you can see what I mean. Blue Jasmine Thanks for any assistance you can give. Cowlibob (talk) 14:56, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

@Cowlibob: The difference appears to be that List of accolades received by Black Swan has a section header called "Awards and Nominations", while List of accolades received by Blue Jasmine only has a header row called "Accolades". GoingBatty (talk) 16:29, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) Not just the lack of a section header. You also need to remove the width="90%" from the {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" which initiates the main list. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:38, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
That's done the trick. Thanks to the both of you. :) Cowlibob (talk) 17:37, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

E. McCrorie entry

Would you help me update and correct the entry called Edward McCrorie?

You have edited this entry once.

mccrorie@providence.edu

edwardpmccrorie.net


67.243.24.60 (talk) 17:56, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Could you please be more specific as to what you would like to be updated and corrected on Edward McCrorie? GoingBatty (talk) 23:26, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

AWB Typo

Can you help me change a typo-rule on svwiki (link)?

I need P3 Fredag to be an exception of the fredag$1-rule. (t) Josve05a (c) 18:56, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

@Josve05a: I'm happy to try to help. Could you please give me an example where AWB is incorrectly changing it, so I can test the proposed change? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 23:33, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
I don't remember which article(s) it was is, so I re-created it in my sandbox. (t) Josve05a (c) 23:35, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
@Josve05a:  Done! GoingBatty (talk) 01:13, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

PolymerUpdate

This is regarding the "Notability" tag put on the Wikipedia page "PolymerUpdate" on 10 November 2013. It should be noted that the content on the page has thereafter been revised with links to online news sources, which contain mentions of "PolymerUpdate". Hence, please consider removing the tag. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 183.87.126.18 (talk) 06:15, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

I suggest you first add references to the History and Services sections, and then discuss the article's notability on the article's talk page. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 00:47, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Filippa Lagerbäck

Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 08:32, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Lagerbäck

When you got the time please take a look at Filippa Lagerbäcks article that I created today.--BabbaQ (talk) 21:16, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

@BabbaQ:  Done! GoingBatty (talk) 23:00, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
Please take a look at Dick Helander, Nancy Eriksson and Steffo Törnquist. I plan to nominate them all for DYK in the next coming days.--BabbaQ (talk) 15:25, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
@BabbaQ:  Done! Could you please look at the |author= parameters in the references on Steffo Törnquist? I think some of them may contain information unrelated to the author's name. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 21:04, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
Thank you! Oh, yes I will take a look.--BabbaQ (talk) 21:05, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Your recent AWB edits

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@TheReferenceChecker: Could you please provide an example of an AWB edit I made that does not have an edit summary?
Also, please remember to substitute the template using {{subst:uw-editsummary}} rather than {{uw-editsummary}}. You might also be interested in Wikipedia:Don't template the regulars. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 13:19, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Starting up BattyBot 25 again?

Do you have any interest in starting up BattyBot task 25 again to run through the CS1 date error category? Many thousands of articles have been added to the category by editors and by new date-checking code in the CS1 module. I see bot-fixable date errors every day.

I've been hoping that we would get some closure on the RfCs around month abbreviations and the YYYY-MM format, but it seems like those might take a while. I think you would need to comment out any fixes for month abbreviations and the YYYY-MM format so that they do not run. There are many citations that could be fixed even without those checks in place. Thanks for considering this request. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:43, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

@Jonesey95: - Good to hear from you! I'm disappointed that the RfCs aren't resolved yet, but happy to see you're getting closer to implementing better logic for the month/season/year ranges. I stated in several places that I would not run the BattyBot 25 until the RfC is done, so I'd have to figure out where I did that and see if anyone objects to running it after making sure that the bot did not change:
  1. YYYY-MM → MMM YYYY
  2. MMM. → MMM
  3. Sept or Sept. → Sep
The first one is already commented out from User:BattyBot/CS1 errors-dates. The other two would require a considerable amount of time to carefully scrutinize and modify the code, as many rules were designed to remove the period and fix another error at the same time. GoingBatty (talk) 23:44, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
If it's too much trouble, don't bother. The RfC will be closed at some point. If the closure decision matches your code, no changes will be necessary. If not, you'll have to scrub through the code anyway, so you might as well wait. I just figured that if it were easy, we could get a few thousand citations fixed while we waited.
I too am looking forward to the better date range logic moving from the sandbox into the live code. Trappist the monk has done a super job with it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:06, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
We are not short of space in the reference sections. I already expand month names with WP:MOSNUMscript, and I haven't had a single complaint about it. Seems like a simpler solution for you too for CS1 compliance. Regards, -- Ohc ¡digame! 11:24, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
@Ohconfucius: You're right - it would be a lot simpler. But as long as WP:MOSNUM says that some abbreviated dates are OK, I won't use the bot to change them. GoingBatty (talk) 22:34, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

The month abbreviation RFC has been closed at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Archive_151#RFC:_Month_abbreviations. The consensus was that month abbreviations should be three letters only, with no period (full stop) following the month. Thus conditions two and three above are valid changes.

The YYYY-MM RFC has also been closed. See Module_talk:Citation/CS1#No_consensus_on_whether_YYYY-MM_is_acceptable_or_unacceptable. I'll let you decide what you think the bot should do based on that discussion and the linked RFC.

It looks like Task 25 can start again, if you have the time. From what I can see, there are tens of thousands of articles with citations that could be fixed by the bot. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:29, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

@Jonesey95: - Yay! Bot restarted. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 16:20, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
So beautiful.... – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:09, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Be with poor people

   Ali Hassan Ali              Hagadera Ref- Camp,
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Dear sir/madam 

Request from refugee son.

Iam the named person who is highly need help. I will be very glad if you share my complain to well-wishers. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.201.216.138 (talk) 17:22, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

I don't understand what you're asking for. GoingBatty (talk) 15:48, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
Money? EEng (talk) 03:23, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

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Fixed back in March - thanks BracketBot! GoingBatty (talk) 23:38, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Napping BattyBot Task 25

Do you want to be notified here or elsewhere when I notice that BattyBot Task 25 has paused/crashed/gone to sleep? It is paused now, and has been for over 24 hours. I don't want to be a bother, but if it is helpful, I'll keep an eye on the bot's progress. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:17, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

@Jonesey95: I am monitoring the bot too. I'm traveling for business now, so it will be a few days until I'm able to figure out what happened and restart the bot. Thanks for your patience. GoingBatty (talk) 21:08, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
I never realised what they say about playing mice (and absent cats) applies metaphorically to bots too... ;-) -- Ohc ¡digame! 01:25, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
Looks like a combination of a temporary wireless connection outage and someone unplugging my computer. Situation resolved, bot restarted. GoingBatty (talk) 23:40, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Steffo Törnquist

Hello! Your submission of Steffo Törnquist at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Sven Manguard Wha? 05:47, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

I made a few more minor fixes to the article. GoingBatty (talk) 23:41, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Pages with url errors.

Hello. Hope you're well. I've recently been trying to sort out this category: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Pages_with_URL_errors and am down to 3 now :). A common factor I seem to be encountering is that certain links without http:// or https:// in front of them don't hyperlink in references and by adding it, the url error is "fixed" (despite the url when clicked redirecting to the site without http:// in front).

I was wondering why some sites require http:// in front to be recognised whilst others don't. Cowlibob (talk) 16:45, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) In Wikipedia, all URLs require the double slash. Whether http: or https: should be used in front of the double slash varies, and is down to the individual website. Some permit only one, in which case it must be given in the correct form; some permit either, in which case it may be omitted. For a particular website, the choice of whether http: or https: is favoured normally depends upon whether they handle security-sensitive information or not. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:52, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Ambiguous citation (access) dates

Hi, I started a request for a new database report here;Wikipedia talk:Database reports#Ambiguous citation dates, it doesn't look like that page gets many views though and it seemed like the kind of thing you might be interested in. My thoughts were that it could be used by a bot to correct 'ambiguous' access dates for citations before they actually become ambiguous. Jamesmcmahon0 (talk) 16:06, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Replied there - thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 03:19, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

India–Russia relations ref name

I noticed that the bot, consolidated references into one named ref which is nice but the name it choose was name="http" which seems like a bad choice as it is harder for human editors to use and remember. I thought you might want to update the script to pick a more telling name, such as at least something after the .com part of the web address.

Also I accidentally posted this on the talk page of the bot first, I should read warnings more closely. There was no reason to stop it for this. I reverted quickly, but just wanted to let you know. XFEM Skier (talk) 15:00, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

@XFEM Skier: Thanks for letting me know. I've opened up this bug report for the AWB developers. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 03:28, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

CS1 date error

Hi, I was pointed here for this one by Jonesey95.

I have fixed a significant number of articles in this category for cricketers having |date=CrickrtArchive would be good if you could fix these to |publisher=CrickrtArchive automatically rather than manually. Looks like the same thing has been copied and pasted to many articles. Thanks. Keith D (talk) 20:18, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

I was unable to find "CrickrtArchive" (with an "r" misspelling), but there are about 250 articles with |date=CricketArchive. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:34, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
  • I added that to my test script a few days ago, but it seems this subset of cs1 date error is a specific problematic that can be targeted in a special run of awb. -- Ohc ¡digame! 00:24, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
@Keith D:, @Jonesey95: A lot of them must have been fixed already, because I could only find about 40 that had |date=CricketArchive in Category:CS1 errors: dates, which BattyBot has now fixed. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 03:16, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing and spotting my typo. I had no idea how many were left. Keith D (talk) 07:38, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Award 4 U

Vjmlhds (talk) 16:12, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
Thank you very much! GoingBatty (talk) 16:21, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Why change date to year?

According to this template, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cite_journal, year is only relevant for the Vancouver system? Edit in question = https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Barry_Commoner&diff=604894146&oldid=604656568 prokaryotes (talk) 16:44, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Similar discussion at User_talk:Bgwhite#AWB:_cite_book. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:43, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

@Prokaryotes: Changing |date= to |year= is one of AWB's general fixes. I'll let Magioladitis and the other AWB developers address this issue. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 01:00, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
Well, i understand year now, it refers to just the year. Another change you made from publisher to work, well i really don't care about the naming so i will try to use your bot version then. prokaryotes (talk) 01:04, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
In the bot edit, changing |date= to |year= shouldn't have any visible impact on the page. However, my script-assisted edit which changed from |publisher= to |work= adds the appropriate italics per MOS:ITALICS. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 01:07, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
@Prokaryotes: Per Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser#Cite book date - Year, the AWB software was just updated so it does not |date= to |year=. I have installed the newest SVN to take advantage of this update. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 19:42, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

OER inquiry

Hi GoingBatty, I'm sending you this message because you're one of about 300 users who have recently edited an article in the umbrella category of open educational resources (OER) (or open education). In evaluating several projects we've been working on (e.g. the WIKISOO course and WikiProject Open), my colleague Pete Forsyth and I have wondered who chooses to edit OER-related articles and why. Regardless of whether you've taken the WIKISOO course yourself - and/or never even heard the term OER before - we'd be extremely grateful for your participation in this brief, anonymous survey before 27 April. No personal data is being collected. If you have any ideas or questions, please get in touch. My talk page awaits. Thanks for your support! - Sara FB (talk) 20:41, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

 Done GoingBatty (talk) 20:44, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

The 37's

My apologies. From the difference view (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_37%27s&curid=2953967&diff=605505897&oldid=605470584), it looks like the edit's being made to the info box. My mistake. — fourthords | =Λ= | 21:16, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

No worries - happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 21:18, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Slight bug in BattyBot task 25

This edit shows a slight opportunity for enhancement in BattyBot task 25. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:22, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

BattyBot intentionally doesn't change the month/day "1" to "01" because it could be "10"-"19". I've used WikiBlame and fixed these manually. GoingBatty (talk) 13:27, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

This one also. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:26, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

 Done - thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 13:37, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Proposed date fixes for BattyBot (Task 25)

It looks like BattyBot has passed through all articles up to those starting with "Do..", so on the assumption that anything left behind earlier in the alphabet is fair game for additions to the code, here are a few suggestions:

  •  Not done 1. |date=undated from Cuban cuisine. Replace with "n.d."
  •  Not done 2. |date=N/A from The Curse of El Charro. Replace with "n.d."
  •  Not done 3. |date=date unknown from Curtis Island (Maine). Replace with "n.d."
  •  Done 4. |date=Wed, 13 June 2012 08:05:00 from Cuba–Indonesia relations
  •  Done 5. |accessdate= 3–3–2013 ) from Cultural genocide. En dashes in the date, and also the month and year are the same, so it can safely be reformatted to YYYY-MM-DD.
  •  Not done 6. |date=2010-03 from Cultural Olympiad Digital Edition. The second two digits are less than the last two digits of the four-digit number, so it can be presumed to be YYYY-MM, not YYYY-YY. Change YYYY-XX to MMM YYYY where XX is 01 through 12 and XX is equal to or less than the last two digits of YYYY.
  •  Done 7. | year=1843-1856 from Cupido myrrha. Replace hyphen with en dash.
  •  Done 8. | date= 10 Jult 2012 from Culture of Brazil. Typo in month.
  •  Done 9. |date=April 18,1955 from Curt Roberts. Add space.

Comments welcome. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:04, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

I have a script that I was using for a while that fixed year range dates when the separator was not an endash. I've never really liked the notion of year ranges in citations unless the two years a one year apart (Winter 2013–2014). Out there is article space there are date ranges where the two years are 5, 10, 15 and more years apart. I've seen date ranges as large as 212 years. When date ranges are large, you have to wonder exactly what the editor intended. Is the range really valid? Is it a combination of original publication date and a more recent publication date? I think that rather more care is required in fixing year range dates than at first appears necessary.
—Trappist the monk (talk) 20:54, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
Most of the year ranges I see are for older works that were published in multiple volumes over a period of years. I agree that if you're citing a specific source for a specific fact, you should say which volume you got it from and cite the publication year of that volume, but editors often put citation templates for multi-volume works in "Further Reading" sections.
One that stumps me is web sites that do not date-stamp individual pages. Sometimes the only thing to go on is the "Copyright 2006–2013" at the bottom of the page. That information in the date field, plus an accessdate, gives future readers and editors a clue about the timing of the source's creation. I don't think leaving that information out is helpful, so we might as well format it nicely.
But please don't get me started on the on-line scientific databases that explicitly tell readers to cite their publication date as "2006 onwards". That's just frustrating. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:17, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Suggested typo fix for month name here and here. Very broad yet no false positives so far. -- Ohc ¡digame! 12:34, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

A few more, again assuming that the bot has been past these articles on the current pass:

It seems like #11 was already addressed in the bot code a long time ago, so maybe the alphabetical sorting in the category is different from the sorting that the bot is using. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:48, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

  • As I've been adjusting my script in the course of working from the cs1 date errors category, you may find rules there among the recent changes to said script (particularly in the "fix common error" section) that can be used by your bot. -- Ohc ¡digame! 00:04, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
  •  Not done 15.|accessdate=20070930 from Arnos Grove.
  •  Done 16.|date=CricketArchive from Christopher Finegan.
  •  Not done 17.|date=ca.19 December 2000 from Christian Manfredini

-- Ohc ¡digame! 03:42, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks to everyone for the suggestions. I've done two of them. What is the correct fix for #17? I will look at the others suggestions in the next few days. GoingBatty (talk) 03:54, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Note that #1-3 are not done because I don't think "n.d." is very clear. I tried to start a discussion about this at Module_talk:Citation/CS1/Archive_9#date=undated, but didn't get consensus to change anything about the error message (maybe because I didn't state my opinion). GoingBatty (talk) 04:17, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Note also that #6 is not done because Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Dates_and_numbers#Rfc:_Is_YYYY-MM_an_acceptable_date_format.3F_Part_4 was closed stating "There is no consensus that YYYY-MM is an acceptable format, nor any consensus that it is an unacceptable format. I would recommend against any mass changes being made purely on the basis of this RfC." GoingBatty (talk) 04:20, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
I don't like "n.d." either. Style guides recommend it, but it's too jargony for me. "undated" or "no date" seems much clearer. Resolution might require shopping the question over at the MOSDATE talk page, although you never know what you're going to get over there.
The fix for #17 is |date=c. 19 December 2000; letter c, full stop, space, per WP:DATEOTHER/Uncertain.... – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:00, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
@Jonesey95: |date=c. 19 December 2000 still gives a CS1 error. I think resolution to both issues will require support from Trappist the monk. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 14:02, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
The topic of no-date dates was first raised as part of the early date checking discussions. It was there that we seem to have settled on using the format specified by external style guides.
Circa usage examples in WP:DATEOTHER/Uncertain; in {{circa}}; and in circa are all associated with years, which I think is the generally accepted convention. For this reason, Module:Citation/CS1 allows circa only when used with years and only in |date= or |year=.
I think that I'd be very skeptical of a citation that is linked to a url that points to a file called 1337.zip.
—Trappist the monk (talk) 15:00, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
  1. 4, 5, 7, 9, 12, 13, 14 done. #10 not done - don't know how to escape the quotation mark symbol. #11 not done because the bot will not fix citation templates that contain another template. #15 not done because it's already fixed. #17 not done per above conversation. GoingBatty (talk) 01:54, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
I don't know anything about C# but if it's anything like C, you escape a quote mark like this: \"
—Trappist the monk (talk) 03:14, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
That works for lots of other characters, but not for quotation marks. GoingBatty (talk) 14:05, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
A few seconds in Google found this page about C# strings (at §Literals). There they say that to escape quotes, double them " → "". Does that work?
—Trappist the monk (talk) 15:18, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
@Trappist the monk: It works great - #10 is now done. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 03:02, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Page url errors.

Hi. Hope you're well. I was wondering if it was possible to implement an automatic http:// or https:// in front of links without them via a bot or something. It would solve so many url errors which occur because some websites don't have them, people copy the link and wiki doesn't recognise it.Cowlibob (talk) 15:04, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

@Cowlibob: That's BattyBot's task #23, which I try to run each day against Category:Pages with URL errors. I think the issue is that some web browsers don't require users to type (and don't display) the http:// or https:// URI scheme. GoingBatty (talk) 15:50, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
I see. At least, it's now a manageable amount.Cowlibob (talk) 21:21, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Invitation to WikimediaDC events!

Stop by our events at Wikimedia District of Columbia anytime! Djembayz (talk) 15:56, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the invite, but DC is probably a bit too far for me. GoingBatty (talk) 16:03, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
@Djembayz: However, I might be available to attend online in the future. GoingBatty (talk) 20:18, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
Online works too ... it gives the folks organizing events a boost to have people supporting them on their topics. Although, of course, we're all curious to meet someone as prolific as you in person! Djembayz (talk) 23:46, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
@Djembayz: Part of that appearance of being prolific is that I prefer to make lots of small edits, which is especially valuable at edit-a-thons to prevent cases like this where one editor wipes out the work of another editor due to being unable to resolve edit conflicts. You might want to stress that more at future events. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 00:13, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Watch for Month ordinals?

Seems this edit was a case of GIGO. Perhaps another syntax correction for your bot to look out for? Dl2000 (talk) 02:14, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

That's what happens when you have a chain of unsupervised automated "fixes". Here's the original, using |accessdate=February 5<sup>th</sup> 2009 |date=February 21<sup>st</sup> 2007; the first amendment, giving |accessdate=5 February<sup>th</sup> 2009 |date=21 February<sup>st</sup> 2007; and the second amendment, which simply removed the <sup></sup> and was the last before the edit in question. --Redrose64 (talk) 08:19, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
Yes, need to reorder the regex so that stripping of the superscripting goes earlier in the sequence of operations. -- Ohc ¡digame! 01:31, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
@Redrose64: Thanks for doing the research!
@Dl2000: Could you please double check that the script you used in the first amendment back in 2011 now strips the superscripts properly?
@Ohconfucius: Not sure if your comment if this is an early version of your script. Thanks everyone! GoingBatty (talk) 01:36, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
Possibly, I was merely responding to the above comments. Apologies if this has been fixed, but then I'm not able to look at the bot module. -- Ohc ¡digame! 01:40, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
You actually can look at my bot module - see User:BattyBot/CS1 errors-dates. However, it was the 2011 script (unrelated to BattyBot) that caused the initial problem, so the issue should be fixed there. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 01:46, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
From sandbox testing on an old version, the current script from my end seems to render a proper result, stripping superscripts then ordinals. Dl2000 (talk) 01:51, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
Ah, right. Silly me for not looking at what happened more thoroughly. My script doesn't fix this either, so I'll tweak it accordingly. Regards, -- Ohc ¡digame! 01:56, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

May 2014 disambig contest: let's do it again!

Greetings fellow disambiguator! Remember back in February when we made history by clearing the board for the first time ever, for the monthly disambiguation contest? Let's do it again in May! I personally will be aiming to lead the board next month, but for anyone who thinks they can put in a better effort, I will give a $10 Amazon gift card to any editor who scores more disambiguation points in May. Also, I will be setting up a one-day contest later in the month, and will try to set up more prizes and other ways to make this a fun and productive month. Cheers! bd2412 T 18:48, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Woo hoo - thanks for the invite! GoingBatty (talk) 00:11, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
Indeed - it's going to be quite a party! bd2412 T 13:51, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Alteration of legislation title

BattyBot changed the title of some British legislation here. I don't think changing dates in running text is in BattyBot's remit, so I presume this edit was due to insufficient examination of AWB general fixes.

Note that according to WP:Manual of Style/Titles#Neither it is correct to state the title of legislation without enclosing it in quotes, and without putting it in italics. Jc3s5h (talk) 02:04, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

@Jc3s5h: Thanks for fixing the article and letting me know about the issue. You're right that it's AWB's general fixes, so blocking BattyBot won't keep other AWB-based bots from making the same error. Therefore, I've opened an AWB bug report. Just for good measure, I also submitted this request to have Ohconfucius update his script. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 02:25, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
Ohconfucius quickly updated his script. It seems that the text "Observance of 5th November Act" is only used in five articles. AWB doesn't change Observance of 5th November Act 1605 or the three articles where the only text is a wikilink. AWB only changes Guy Fawkes Night because the text is used multiple times without duplicate wikilinks (as expected). Thanks again! GoingBatty (talk) 02:49, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
Just made some other manual changes to harmonize the reference format in the article. GoingBatty (talk) 03:20, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

After reviewing Guy Fawkes Night, it seems that most of the citations are using {{Citation}}. It seems to me BattyBot should do some kind of count of the various kinds of citations in the article, and unless the vast majority of them belong to the Citation Style 1 family, it should just leave the article unchanged. Jc3s5h (talk) 15:21, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Can you please explain your logic? Invalid dates in {{citation}} cause the same red error messages as invalid dates in other CS1 cite templates, as far as I can tell. I must be missing something. – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:18, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
Citation Style 1 has become a recognized style, and the dates valid for that style have been discussed and a consensus formed at Help:Citation Style 1. There is no recent discussion of date format for the Citation style, and the only documentation is at Template:Citation/doc#Date. Therefore the format conventions agreed to for Citation Style 1 have not been agreed to for Citation. Jc3s5h (talk) 17:03, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
BattyBot has been approved to fix the dates in citation templates to remove the red Check date values error messages, which will remove the article from Category:CS1 errors: dates. If a decision is made to change the error messages so they do not appear in {{citation}} templates, I will modify the bot so it will not edit {{citation}} templates. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 02:55, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
I'm sorry, I am honestly just not seeing the distinction that Jc3s5h is trying to make. As far as I can tell, {{citation}} and {{cite book}} and {{cite web}} and all of the other citation templates that use Module:Citation/CS1 to render the citations share the same documentation and the same error messages. The documentation for {{citation}} says "If invoked with the right parameters, this template produces output identical to that of the Cite templates, such as {{Cite book}} and {{Cite web}}." This output includes the red error messages that BattyBot is fixing. What am I missing? – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:11, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
The fact that the present code for Citation and CS1 could produce identical rendering is of little importance. Nobody does that. Historically, the two styles did not share the same code. Different groups of editors tend to prefer the two styles. Ordinarily, articles that use Citation templates have citations that look different from articles that use CS1. The documentation is not the same. The date related error messages have not been turned on, so editors who like to use the Citation templates are not likely to be aware that some people think the dates they are putting in are erroneous. Jc3s5h (talk) 05:28, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
Historically (by which I mean more than 6-7 years ago), no; but since {{citation/core}} was created in January 2007, there has been a gradual convergence - for example, this edit of November 2008 caused {{cite book}} to share the same underlying code as {{citation}}. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:18, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

I think the difference today is greater than Redrose64 is describing, because of the connotation of commas vs. periods as separators in printed style guides. The comma separator is associated with footnotes or endnotes; the only popular style guide I know of that uses footnotes for citations is the Chicago Manual of Style (Chicago also offers parenthetical referencing as an alternative). Periods as separators, in every printed style guide I can think of, are associated with parenthetical referencing.

As a result, people familiar with citations from their experience outside Wikipedia are likely to think of the CS1 custom of jamming together endnotes with periods as separators as strange. Despite using the same underlying machinery, I think CS1 and Citation are likely to be perceived as two entirely different systems by those familiar with the various citation systems out in the world.

That said, there is no reason we can't take an example from Chicago. In their latest edition (16th) they have tried to make their footnote system more compatible with their parenthetical system, by making the order of the elements more similar, and making the way individual elements are written more similar. Also, they have reduced the redundancy between the two systems; most of the documentation is contained in the footnote chapter, which is 6 mm thick. The parenthetical reference chapter now merely describes the aspects of parenthetical referencing that are different from footnotes, and is only 1 mm thick. We could certainly follow that lead, if the users of the Citation templates are willing. Jc3s5h (talk) 13:30, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

By "a gradual convergence" I didn't mean that they became (or are now) identical: some differences do remain, such as the use of commas or periods for separators, as you mention. But those differences are slight, and are mainly aesthetic: the underlying code for organising the various pieces of useful information (authors, title, date, publisher, page, etc.) into a defined order is identical, because it's all in Module:Citation/CS1 and its submodules. Since the introduction of Lua, it has become easier to perform validation of certain data - whether this be ensuring that dates are sensible, ISBNs are valid, or that mutually-exclusive parameters are not used together (e.g. |author1= with |last1=) - and it is sensible to apply such validation wherever applicable. It shouldn't matter whether the outside world uses {{citation}}, {{cite book}} or {{cite web}} - if, for example, the template has been given |date=32 Juny 2015, the error should be pointed out sooner rather than later. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:11, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
Since Jc3s5h has started Template talk:Citation#RFC: Same_rules for CS1 and Citation, I suggest that the conversation be continued there. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 23:02, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Kristen Stewart charity work

I tried to edit Kristen's wikipedia page to include her various charity work but I received a message that it was protected and I couldnt edit. Here is the message plus the sources. 

Kristen Stewart- Charity work.  In

November 2009 actress Kristen Stewart particated in a JDRF walk to cure diabetis. Kristen Stewart has participated in several charities which include her donations to shoe revolt in aid of the fight against domestic sex trafficking. Kristen Stewart has donated her vans to gain money for the charity that relies on selling donated shoes to raise the funds. She has also supported Oxfam and redcross in her philanthropist ways. She is also involved in the 'gewa project' which is a charity that raises money for rural Tibey. On December 12 2012, she appeared in the 12-12-12 concert at Madison Square garden on a pledge to fans and well wishers to join in the donations towards the victims of hurricane Sandy. In the same charity she also donated her Zuhair Murad dress which she wore to the last Twilight premeire for the cause. The glamorous gown was put up gor auction by the robin hood foundation and the money received assisted the victims. Kristen Stewart was also able to raise $500,000 for charity to assist the hurricane Sandy relief efforts, through a 15 minutes meeting with a middle Eastern prince. She is also hoping to open a half-way house for sex workers. 

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Vq1VhDvoIqM

http://thecelebritycafe.com/feature/2013/09/kristen-stewart-surprisingly-charitable

http://thecelebritycafe.com/feature/2013/09/celebrity-philanthropist-kristen-stewart



http://www.mtv.com/news/1656131/kristen-stewart-wants-to-set-up-charity-for-sex-workers/

https://www.looktothestars.org/celebrity/kristen-stewart

http://hollywoodlife.com/2012/12/27/celebrity-charities-most-charitable-celebs-hollywood-justin-bieber/#  — Preceding unsigned comment added by EmmaNjeru89 (talk • contribs) 20:47, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
@EmmaNjeru89: I've answered this at User talk:EmmaNjeru89#Help me!. Please do not raise the same topic in multiple discussion pages. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:51, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Anthony McKinney

Dear Investigation Discovery,     In care of True Crime with Aphrodite Jones, my name is Michael McKinney. I am writing this letter with the hopes that I may receive the help that me and my family have been searching for, for over 35yrs. The matter that we are bringing to your attention is the story of my brother, Anthony McKinney. A story in which started on September 15, 1978. My brother Anthony was 18yrs old at the time. We lived in Harvey IL, a south suburb of Chicago. We had only lived there for 4yrs. It was a neighborhood, racial transition. We were one of the first black families to make a transition. I Michael McKinney, was 17 at the time. The night of September 15, the night a championship fight was taking place between Muhammad Ali and Leon Spinks; Ali was attempting to make history winning the title for the 3rd time. There was also a house party being held in our neighborhood that night. We were all excited about the fight and the party after the fight. When the fight ended, Anthony left home; where he had been watching the fight with my father, and my father's friend Donell Hood at are home which was located on 151st Loomis. When Anthony arrived at the party, which was on 154th Myrtle one block west of Loomis, he encountered 16 guys from the other side of town. A week or so prior to this night, Anthony had had an altercation with one of these guys, getting the best of him.  That guy came back that night with his friends to get revenge against Anthony. As the 16 guys begin to jump Anthony, two girls, one name Sarah Campbell and the other Sherri Allen came between Anthony and the gang, giving Anthony the opportunity to run away. Anthony ran towards our home on Loomis. Once he got to 153rd Loomis, with the gang still chasing him, he jumped into the yard of one of the ladies in the neighborhood name Mrs. Sasco, pleading to her for help. She informed him to run around the corner to the police, where they had gathered for an incident that happened in the neighborhood that night; Anthony had no knowledge of knowing what occurred. The incident, was that a security guard name Donald Lundahl, had been shot and killed while on duty in his car; in front of the Masonic Temple, that was located on 153rd Lexington, one block east of Loomis. Anthony jumped out of Mrs. Sasco fence, running towards where the police cars were located, encountering a detective name Coleman McCarthy. McCarthy had Anthony placed in a squad car and taken to the station, supposedly for his protection from the gang. Anthony was question about the incident of the security guard, held overnight, then released the next morning. Three days later, September 19th, while getting his hair braided at a friend's house name Eleanor Logan, located on 153rd Lexington right across the steer where the incident happened, Anthony was arrested at gunpoint by detective McCarthy and also by detective Tim Morrison. He was taken to Harvey police station, where he was threatened and beaten by the two detectives and forced to sign a statement implicating himself in the armed robbery and murder of the security guard. Despite no physical evidence, no murder weapon, and although fingerprints were found at the scene but did not belong to Anthony. January 1982, despite not having any criminal background and no history of violence, Anthony was convicted based on two coerced testimonies of two 16yr old boys. Dennis Pettis and Wayne Phillips. Anthony was sentenced to life without parole. Anthony was not only my brother but he was my best friend. Hid conviction left me crushed, and my mother and father devastated, and tore away the fabric of my family which had already been destroyed by the death of my other brother Robert 3yrs before. But 20yrs later, it seemed that tide of justice have began to swing our way, with a chance encountered between me and the states only witness to testify against Anthony; Mr. Wayne Phillips, which took place in a doctor's office in 1999. Mr Phillips broke down crying in that doctor's office admitting to me and two other people that were there, the guilt that he felt for falsely testifying against my brother Anthony. Not knowing what to do about what I just experienced, I did the only thing I knew to do. Despite not seeing Anthony for over 20 years, I went to visit him at Dixon Correctional Center in Dixon IL, and shortly after my visit, I began my own investigation into my brother's case. After discovering other evidence to prove Anthony innocence, I sought help from the Innocence Project at Northwestern University and Mr. David Protess. After proceeding with their own investigation in 2002, they uncovered evidence as well to prove Anthony's innocence of this crime. In 2009, they petitioned the court of a new trial based on this evidence and a new trial was granted, but the state's attorney of IL, Anita Alvarez, caused a delay in trial for matters having nothing to do with Anthony's case. Causing a 5yr delay which proved to be the devastating last straw because on August 27th, 2013, I received a call from the Warden of Dixon Correctional Center, informing me that my brother Anthony McKinney had been found dead alone in his cell. As I mentioned in the beginning of this letter, me and my family, despite our devastation, have been on a quest to prove my brothers innocence, and bring justice to his name. This is the purpose of this letter to you; and I hopes that you would choose our story to air on your program; With the hopes that the truth will finally be told and bring justice in hopes for our family. For more information you can contact the North western Innocence Project. They have taped confessions and further evidence. Thank You in advance and God Bless You. Again my name is Michael McKinney. P.S. I hope and I pray to hear from you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.129.119.226 (talk) 21:41, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi Michael - I'm not with Investigation Discovery - try visiting http://www.investigationdiscovery.com - Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 00:32, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Date fixes for BattyBot task 25

Here's another batch of proposed items to fix:

  • 4. |date=April 27, 1945-June 11, 1958 | from Dachau trials. Spaced en dash.
  •  Done 5. |date= Posted on November 16, 2012 | from Dactyloidae. Remove "Posted on".
  • 6. |date=MArch 14-21, 2011| from Dag Hammarskjöld. Can you create a regex to capture and correct any mixed capitalization like MARCH, MAy, or jUNE?
  •  Done 7. |date=(n. d.)| from Daejeon. Remove parentheses.
  •  Done 10. | date = 22 March 2007 update from Aunt Dahlia. The word "update" adds no value to this parameter value.
  •  Done 12. | date = Winter 2004--2005 from Daina Taimina. En dash.
  •  Done 19. |accessdate=23 Auguast 2009 from Damián Díaz. Month typo.

I may have time for more soon. In the meantime, it seems like it might be a good idea for BattyBot to run through the category every couple of days, even in the absence of new rules. People are adding messy dates all the time, and if BattyBot can correct them shortly after their addition, the editors may see the fixes on their watchlists and avoid making similar errors.

The bot may want to wait some period of time after the most recent edit (if it does not do so already) in order to reduce potential edit conflicts. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:40, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

@Jonesey95: Thanks for the list. Many are done now, will look at the rest later. GoingBatty (talk) 01:35, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

I've noticed quite a few cs1 errors are due to uncertainty as to the dates, or maybe some attempt to create notation within the field: typically "1998?", "2013*", "199?". What to do with these? Using "c.1998" also causes error message. What's the suggested solution for these? -- Ohc ¡digame! 01:58, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

@Ohconfucius: |date=c. 1998 (with a space) should work for the first. GoingBatty (talk) 02:18, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
I've skipped those for now, focusing only on dates that I believe are clearly fixable by the bot. I believe that once the bot is done and in maintenance mode, we'll be left with about 50,000 articles, and we'll be able to have a robust discussion about the variety of dates marked with error messages. I hope that we can come up with a consensus way of dealing with "date=1998, 2005" or "date=1995 (reprint 2005)", because there sure are a lot of those out there. I also wish there were consensus about allowing "undated" or something other than the reader-hostile but style-guide-approved "n. d." for undated sources.
I wonder if we can get a magic database dump of all of the date errors and analyze how many there are of each type. (It's magic to me because I don't know how to do it; see also Clarke's Third Law.) – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:54, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
@Jonesey95: I believe Rjwilmsi suggested the same thing a while back. Maybe Rjwilmsi would be willing to help with this. GoingBatty (talk) 18:14, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

William Darby Brind

I have sent "BattyBot" an email regarding this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Darby_Brind. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Acjones49 (talk • contribs) 19:56, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

@Acjones49: BattyBot and I have made fixes to hundreds of thousands of Wikipedia pages. Neither of us knows anything about William Darby Brind. GoingBatty (talk) 20:04, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

More proposed CS1 date error fixes for BattyBot task 25

BattyBot task 25 is doing an amazing job! It has passed through the entire date category and has fixed over 30,000 articles in the last couple of weeks. As it starts on its next pass today, with updated rules, I thought I would look through a few more articles for potential fixes. They are few and far between. I had to look at about 600 articles to find these. I found the same error in multiple articles only three times, so these errors are pretty rare.

Comments welcome. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:42, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

@Jonesey95: Thanks for the great list! Most have been added to BattyBot's code, except #9, 11, 17, 18 (each had a template within the citation template, so I fixed them manually), #13 (don't know how to escape quotation marks, so I fixed it manually) and #15 (the Malayalam calendar is based on the zodiac, so there isn't a one-to-one conversion for months). Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 15:31, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
So did you confirm that the double double-quote escape sequence ("") does not work in AWB modules?
—Trappist the monk (talk) 16:13, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
@Trappist the monk: Thanks for the reminder - the double quotes work great! #13 is now done. GoingBatty (talk) 03:06, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Some more:

  •  Not done 22. |date=December–January 2011| from Backpack journalism. Paging Trappist the monk, this might be fixable with code in the CS1 module. The original source says that the date of the issue is "December/January 2011", to which I make a confused face.
  •  Done 27. | date = 6:48pm UK, Monday January 25, 2010 from Babel Hotel.
  •  Done 30. |date=July?August 2008 from Baghouse. Editor mistyped "?" instead of "/" (same key on keyboard). Change to "–".
  •  Done 31. |year=1873-92 from Bahá'í divisions. I feel like this one is already in the bot's code. What am I missing? I don't see any templates in the citation, which is usually the cause of easy edits not being made.
  •  Done 36. |date=January - March 1982 from Bajaur casket. This one should be in the code already; I don't know why it was missed.
  •  Done 38. |accessdate=18-02-2012 from John Arthur Wright. Unambiguous day, month, and year. Editor clearly wanted the YYYY-MM-DD format.

Comments and questions welcome. Thanks for your diligent work. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:19, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Re number 22. I think its a valid error. December is either in 2010 in which case the year is wrong, or it's in 2011 in which case the right-to-left, earlier-to-later order is wrong.
—Trappist the monk (talk) 18:38, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
I don't think the bot should guess if this means Dec 2010-Jan 2011 or Dec 2011-Jan 2012 or something else. GoingBatty (talk) 18:56, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
For #25 and #36 see Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser/Bugs#Issue with Skip only genfixes. GoingBatty (talk) 20:35, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
@Jonesey95: AWB bug fixed, everything except #22 is now done. #38 is {{Australian Dictionary of Biography}}. Thanks for the list - keep 'em coming! GoingBatty (talk) 23:50, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
Well done! I sometimes wish I could stop them from coming, because it would mean that we had found all of the bot-fixable errors and could finally expose these date errors. Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately), every time I follow behind BattyBot and look at a couple hundred articles, I find more bot-fixable errors (and I see that you have added a few yourself that were not in the lists above). We haven't hit bottom yet; the bot's last pass after adding errors 1–20 above edited over 2,400 articles. That's not bad for an hour or two of human prep work. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:28, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
It looks like this latest round of additions resulted in fixes to about 1,700 articles. I'll look for another batch when I have time later this week. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:36, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
  • Reference dates containing "&nbsp;" throw up errors. And I'm not sure you ought to be converting dd-mm-yyyy (including the slash variants) to yyyy-mm-dd and mm-dd-yyyy to yyyy-mm-dd. I reckon the month name should be substituted, certainly for the slash dates (but that means the codes will become more complex or voluminous). -- Ohc ¡digame! 05:08, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
@Ohconfucius: The bot has many rules to replace "&nbsp;" with regular spaces. I decided that the bot should convert dates that are all numeric as yyyy-mm-dd, since the original editor didn't want to use the month name. After that, whether they should be changed to use the month name really depends on how they article's editors want to unify the date formats in the article. GoingBatty (talk) 20:59, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Mistake

This is wrong, sorry. In the field of fighting forest fires -- perhaps this particular phrase is only used in Australia, I'm not sure -- "blacking out" is "making sure a that a contained or checked fire does not restart". If the firefighters had been experiencing syncope, they would not have been able to rescue an individual koala. DS (talk) 22:16, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

@DragonflySixtyseven: Thanks for catching my mistake. I've removed the ambiguous wikilink and added your definition for clarity. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 22:23, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Peter Cleary

Please be aware that the information on the wiki page regarding Mr Cleary is false. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.14.89.153 (talk) 08:01, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

I suggest you create a new section at Talk:Peter Cleary that details what information in the article is false, the true information that should be added, and references that can be used to cite the information you are providing. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 12:41, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Possible bug in Task 25

Please check this edit for a possible bug in BattyBot task 25. – Jonesey95 (talk) 07:02, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

@Jonesey95: Thanks for the note - Facepalm Facepalm - I've fixed the bot's rules. GoingBatty (talk) 13:47, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

No apparent date edit here. There is a date error, but the bot didn't seem to fix it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:56, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

@Jonesey95: Yes, I can get AWB to skip when only genfixes are done, but not skip when only genfixes and tagging are done. In this case, AWB added {{uncategorized}}. GoingBatty (talk) 17:58, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
Got it. Feel free to trout me when I report this same thing again. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:05, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Virginia Tech massacre

Thank you so much for cleaning up the references in the article; it is a great improvement. I was too tired to think to name the references to the report to cut down on multiple listings of the same reference. I have one small quibble, however, which I feel is something your bot is designed to do. There is a reference which cites a publication that specifically uses the format "May/Jun" as the date of publication; you changed it to "May-Jun". Since this is directly from the publication, can we make an exception to WP:MOS? If so, is there some way I can tag the revision so that the bot ignores it in the future? A small point, I know. I really do appreciate the way you collapsed the references; I will take that a step further in one instance. Thank you again!—D'Ranged 1 talk 06:50, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

@D'Ranged 1: Love the user name! Thanks for dropping me a note. The goal of BattyBot is to do the minor cleanup of the dates in references before they get tagged with big red Check date values error messages. Help:Citation Style 1#CS1 compliance with Wikipedia's Manual of Style shows examples of certain acceptable styles, and specifically says that using "/" in ranges is not supported, even though the publication may have a different style. You're welcome to discuss this at Help talk:Citation Style 1, as you're not the first to have this concern. Thanks, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 01:32, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

BattyBot

Hello, I would just like to point out this mistake by BattyBot, in case it hasn't been addressed yet. Regards, Toccata quarta (talk) 10:14, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

@Toccata quarta: Thanks for letting me know - it was addressed in the #Possible bug in Task 25 section above. It worked much better in this new edit to the Bullying in nursing article. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 03:20, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

continuation from WT:Notability_(geographic_features)

text from WT:Notability_(geographic_features)

 == Suggestion that BattyBot self-revert changes to add the WP:Notability (geographic features) notability tags. ==

  1. For one, this has not been a guideline since January 2013, so I think that the changes made in December 2012 have been erroneous for over a year.
  2. BattyBot is second-guessing the original post, which may have really intended WP:GNG notability, and BattyBot doesn't change the date that the tag was added.  BattyBot doesn't have the judgement to know if a topic like a church is better listed as a building or as an organization.
  3. Editors are implying that the changes BattyBot has made show widespread interest in this essay, so the changes are confounding the level of interest in this essay.
Unscintillating (talk) 01:40, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
I have been running BattyBot to set one of the parameters of Template:Notability to link to this guideline. Before more mass reversions, let's see whether the consensus is to remove the parameter from Template:Notability (which makes reversions moot) or the page is promoted to guideline status (and a subset of the edits should be reverted), or something else. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 01:59, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
@Unscintillating: Using {{Notability|Geo}} shows the following text: "The topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's notability guideline for geographic features." If it is determined that Wikipedia:Notability (geographic features) should not be a guideline, then there may need to be a change to Template:Notability. I have not initiated a protected edit request, as the RfC has not been completed. However, I just created Template talk:Notability#Request for comment to help advertise the RfC and share my thoughts. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 16:28, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
  • The first item on the "What Links Here" currently is [Brunswick, New York].  On 2012-12-21T00:54:50‎, BattyBot decided to change the applicable notability guideline from WP:GNG, to what was then the guideline WP:Notability (geographic features).  Here is the diff for the article so tagged.  The article length is 56,309 characters.  The article has 72 references.  The town was incorporated in 1807, and "The population was 11,941 at the 2010 census."  As per one of the footnotes, "The New York State Department of State states that '[a]ll towns of 10,000 or over in population as shown by the latest federal decennial census…are by statute towns of the first class.' "  So it is a first class town along with Albany, NY, Buffalo, NY, and New York City.  BattyBot left the template-addition date at November 2010, which by itself is questionable.  Was this, in your view, an acceptable bot edit?  Unscintillating (talk) 14:44, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
@Unscintillating: There are over 61,000 articles tagged with {{Notability}}, and trying to resolve the issue for each article will take an incredible amount of time and resources. The goal of BattyBot's task 13 is simply to add a parameter to {{Notability}} when appropriate. Doing so creates a link to the specific notability guideline that applies to the article, which will hopefully encourage editors with a specific area of expertise to read the guideline and either improve the article and remove the {{Notability}} template or send the article to RfD. I have programmed the bot to look the infobox to determine which {{Notability}} parameter to use - see User:BattyBot/Notability. (Based on the discussion at WT:Notability (geographic features), this logic needs to be modified.) The bot does not add or remove {{Notability}}, as the bot does not have the logic to determine if the article has demonstrated notability. The bot maintains the original date to make it easier to find who originally added the {{Notability}} template.
Having said that, let's look at the bot's edit to the Brunswick, New York article. The bot would either add a parameter to the {{Notability}} template or do nothing. The article has {{Infobox settlement}}, so the bot simply changed {{notability|date=November 2010}} to {{Notability|Geography|date=November 2010}}. I believe this was a good edit, as it appears that Wikipedia:Notability (geographic features) applies for this article. The article length, number and quality of the references, date of incorporation, and population will all help a human determine whether the article has demonstrated that the town is notable, but have nothing to do with this bot task. It appears you've stumbled across an edge case, as the {{Notability}} template was added in this edit in the middle of the article instead of at the top. Maybe the editor should have instead added {{Notability-section}} (which redirects to {{Importance-section}}). I hope you will continue to use your expertise in this area to follow through with resolving the issue in this particular article. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 17:02, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Hello ...

i made a page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarafa_Baghajati mr @Magioladitis tagged my article with both category and orphan tag...

i added categories but still not sure why the orphan tag..the article is rich with links from outside wikipedia and also linked to pages inside wikipedia also ... and after his tag i made sure you can reach the article from other wikipedia pages also as :

1- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%BCdiger_Nehberg

2-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_Said_Ramadan_Al-Bouti

3-https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaretha_Lupac_Stiftung

4-the german version for the article : https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarafa_Baghajati

5-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yusuf_al-Qaradawi

so i think the orphan tag isn't needed anymore ...hope you review the article and remove it if you find it adequate so i can keep adding information to it .

thank you Wikipedian13579 (talk) 21:30, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

hey thank you he removed the orphan tag himself thank you again

Wikipedian13579 (talk) 21:47, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

@Wikipedian13579: When determining if an article is an orphan, links from other language Wikipedias don't count. After you added links from Rüdiger Nehberg, Yusuf al-Qaradawi, and Mohamed Said Ramadan Al-Bouti to Tarafa Baghajati, you could have removed the {{orphan}} tag yourself. I made some improvements to Tarafa Baghajati. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 01:39, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

thank you so much man for your improvements i really appreciate it you really made it better thank you again

Wikipedian13579 (talk) 05:00, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Wholesale exemption of citations from MOS requirements?

Whether citations are subject to the MOS, and particularly WP:MOSNUM and MOS:DATEFORMAT, is being questioned at WT:CITE#MOS rules apply to citations?. This derives partly from my attempt to mention at MOS:DATEFORMAT that year suffixes are valid. The response seems to be that they should not be mentioned, as MOS should not apply to citations at all. You might want to take a look. ~ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 22:02, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

@J. Johnson: Thanks for the info. I hope Trappist the monk is also watching this conversation, as Trappist is the one implementing the CS1 error functionality in the citation templates. BattyBot is not designed to remove year suffixes (e.g. 2003b) from citations. If you see that it is, please let me know ASAP so I can fix the bot. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 01:45, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
I mentioned this because the implication is that MOSNUM and DATEFORMAT do not authorize any modifications of dates used in any form of citation. And if you wanted to cleanup inconsistencies in citation dates, sorry, you are not allowed to modify a "citation style", even where it is undeclared, undefined, or even inconsistent. ~ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 20:15, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
@J. Johnson: It will be interesting to see what consensus is formed, and what impact it makes to Help:Citation Style 1 and Help:CS1 errors#bad date as a result. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 23:15, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
CS1 has explicitly adopted the MOS number formats, with a few listed exceptions. However, that will only hold if editors consider CS1 to be a style rather than a toolkit to use to implement any style at all. A different issue is that limitations in the template causes errors to be issued for some legitimate dates (for example February 29, 1700, in the UK).Jc3s5h (talk) 23:55, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Quite honestly you deserve this after the "talkpage" issue .... Think I'll join ya haha! :)

Happy Editing :)
Regards, →Davey2010→→Talk to me!→ 00:12, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Chug, chug, chug...aaah! Bartender, another round for Davey & me! GoingBatty (talk) 00:14, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi

Take a look at three articles that I created today Ann Heberlein, Johar Bendjelloul and Bengt Dalqvist. Thanks.--BabbaQ (talk) 20:27, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

@BabbaQ:  Done! You may want to add the |trans_title= to the Swedish citations. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 00:55, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Untitled

Helénè Sparrow page: impressed you found it so fast. thanks for adding the Orphan note. I've now added links to it from several relevant pages, read the text about 'what is an orphan' (in that order so have not noted the new links in the pages they come from - sorry), and removed the orphan notice. MerielGJones (talk) 19:58, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @MerielGJones:, would you like to tell that how many links your have created? Remember, it should be more than 3 if you don't want that orphan tag anymore, normally one link is enough, but those who uses a program for editing the articles, they will have the option to tag that article with a orphan tag, unless you have linked with more than 3 articles. OccultZone (Talk) 03:56, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
I have added 4 links. MerielGJones (talk) 17:50, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
@MerielGJones: I try to run BattyBot against Category:Pages with URL errors every day, which is how the bot found the Helénè Sparrow article. I've made a few more minor edits to the article. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 23:39, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Script bug created unnamed parameter error?

This edit created an unnamed parameter error. If it was done with a script, please check for bugs. Thanks. P.S. My scripts do this all the time; I need to keep a close eye on them to catch pesky little regex errors. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:11, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

@Jonesey95: Thanks for letting me know about my mistake. Although I used WPCleaner to make the edit, the manual typo is all my fault. I apologize for this oversight, and thank you for adding the missing "=" for me. GoingBatty (talk) 14:18, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Technical Barnstar
For helping newbies, fixing pages, guiding a number of experienced users, etc. OccultZone (Talk) 14:16, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
@OccultZone: Thank YOU for making my day!!! GoingBatty (talk) 14:19, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Template idea

Hey, GB! It occurred to me that the album infobox template currently yields a dupe link and a redundant grammatical error. At chronology it should render album chronology, not repeat artist name chronology. GabeMc (talk|contribs) 01:20, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

@GabeMc: I think in most cases you're correct. However, see the second example at Template:Infobox album where there are two separate chronology sections. Wonder why the first example at Template:Infobox album renders "Chronology chronology" instead of "Nirvana chronology", but it looks fine at Nirvana (Nirvana album). GoingBatty (talk) 01:34, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
At the Nirvana album, shouldn't that be album chronology and then singles chronology? Its repetitive to state twice in such a short span the artist name with link, and its odd it link to singles and not albums. GabeMc (talk|contribs) 01:58, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
@GabeMc: Agree with "album chronology" when there's just one artist involved. It appears that the album infobox shows a list of singles, not a chronology. GoingBatty (talk) 02:05, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
Maybe I'm not explaining this right, but if you look at the infobox at Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, you'll see that it links to the Beatles twice, which is not MoS compliant. Also, if I added a singles chronology after the album chronology it would look inconsistent, as the album chrono renders the Beatles Chronology, but the singles chrono renders singles chronology.
Studio album by The Beatles
The Beatles chronology
Singles chronology GabeMc (talk|contribs) 16:24, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
@GabeMc: I think you're explaining it just fine. I agree that the Sgt. Pepper's article (and most album articles) would look better with "Album chronology" instead of "The Beatles chronology", since The Beatles is already wikilinked earlier in the infobox. GoingBatty (talk) 16:54, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
Okay, so can I count on you to fix this problem? GabeMc (talk|contribs) 16:59, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
@GabeMc: Sorry - Template:Infobox album is protected, so I can't edit it. I suggest you start a thread at Template talk:Infobox album to see if there's consensus for the change. Once there is consensus, you could then add an {{edit protected}} template to have an admin make the change. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 17:13, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
I'm surprised you don't have the template editor right, but sure I'll start a thread! GabeMc (talk|contribs) 17:18, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Multiple issues template

Thanks. I didn't realise that! Deb (talk) 16:59, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Re: Yobot

It is quite obvious now that those(like 3 editors) who frequently complained about the bot, they have no idea about the bot. That how it works or what it has done for wikipedia. Their only concern is "cosmetic editing", which is pretty bad allegation. Bots are obviously made for making similar type of edits, but they should be also evaluated by their good contributions that they have made recently.

You have a great bot too, but be aware about tagging article with Orphan tag. PBS may object that as he had a consensus related with the issue. It can be read here. OccultZone (Talk) 01:54, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

@OccultZone: While I have a bot task that specifically tries to remove {{orphan}}, I don't have a task that specifically tries to add the tag. While there was originally consensus to move the template to the talk page, there were subsequent conversations that doing so would prevent automated tools such as AWB and Twinkle to maintain the templates if they were on the talk page. Therefore, I think consensus now is to keep it on the article page but hide it in some circumstances. Not sure where it ended up. GoingBatty (talk) 02:00, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

May 2014

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Hello.. I don't understand what did u change in Chaker Khazaals' article? khjamjoum (talk) 05:39, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

@Khjamjoum: In this edit to Chaker Khazaal, I used the edit summary "Repaired 4 links to disambiguation page". Per Wikipedia:Disambiguation, "Disambiguation in Wikipedia is the process of resolving the conflicts that arise when a single term is ambiguous—when it refers to more than one topic covered by Wikipedia." For example, Nike could refer to a goddess, a manufacturer of athletic equipment, or missiles. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:01, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
I've also fixed WPCleaner so that future edit summaries will say "Repaired 4 links to disambiguation pages". I've also made some more edits to the Chaker Khazaal article. GoingBatty (talk) 14:16, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Son of Batman soundtrack

Answering your question: Yes, it is released. I've already downloaded the soundtrack from Itune. --NeoBatfreak (talk) 06:55, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

@NeoBatfreak: Thanks for letting me know. I updated the Son of Batman article accordingly. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:27, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Portal:Middle-earth/Pages

Is there any way to protect Portal:Middle-earth/Pages from the attentions of editors using WPCleaner? According to the blurb at the top of the page, it is supposed to include links to redirects and disambiguation pages. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:37, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

@John of Reading: I can't think of any way to do so, although maybe NicoV can. I see you didn't revert my edit, so is it OK? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 14:25, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
I don't know how it works on enwiki, but on frwiki, we have created some templates to mark some links to disambiguation pages as normal (fr:Modèle:Page h' for example). WPCleaner detects them through its configuration parameter dab_link_templates.
Otherwise, it's also possible to configure WPCleaner to issue a warning to the editor when editing a page containing a given template (configuration parameter general_edit_warning_templates). Example on frwiki: fr:Modèle:En cours, with its parameter "intro" containing an explanation. --NicoV (Talk on frwiki) 14:41, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
I haven't undone your edit, GoingBatty, because I'd like to solve the underlying problem first. Once that's done I'll go through the page, and Portal:Middle-earth/Related pages as well, restoring the links to disambiguation pages. Various editors have used several different disambiguation tools on these lists. I think the solution is to move them to the Wikipedia: namespace, as these pages have a similar function to pages such as Wikipedia:WikiProject LGBT studies/Watchlist and Wikipedia:WikiProject Africa/Watchlist. Does WPCleaner skip the Wikipedia namespace? -- John of Reading (talk) 15:38, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
@John of Reading: WPCleaner allows you to filter which namespaces you want to see. I have mine set to show pages in the Portal namespace but not pages in the Wikipedia namespace. GoingBatty (talk) 15:44, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
OK, I'll suggest that to the WikiProject. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:49, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

move page

Hello, Can you see this --41.254.31.59 (talk) 16:36, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Replied at Talk:Janzur#move page. GoingBatty (talk) 16:45, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Oil shale in Estonia

Hi, GoingBatty. I am going to nominate Oil shale in Estonia for GA. There are still some issues like checking the order of references, appearance of wikilinks etc, which are quite tedious to do manually. I know it could be done more automatic way (AWB, I think) but for some reasons I never been able to operate AWB correctly, although I have all necessary permissions. Maybe you could assist by checking the above-mentioned artickle for these issues? Thank you in advance. Beagel (talk) 17:11, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

@Beagel:  Done - good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 01:36, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
Thank you very much! Beagel (talk) 04:35, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Changes on WP:TPL are discussed

Please check discussion on Wikipedia talk:Talk page layout. Thanks. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:04, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Your bug report

In an effort to learn how things work around here, I'll pester you with a couple of questions about the bug report you submitted pursuant to updating the Rename template parameters module. First, I notice that the report apparently only covers {{cite web}}; do additional reports need to be made for the other templates? Second, I found more parameters, the only additional deletion from the {{cite web}} section was |URL=. Should your bug report be updated to include it? Don't mean to be a pest, just trying to learn. Thanks for your help and your patience.—D'Ranged 1 VTalk 21:47, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

@D'Ranged 1: You're not being a pest - you're providing great contributions! AWB has the replace template parameter functionality, which is used to automatically replace parameters in citation templates and other templates. An unrelated portion of the AWB software provides alerts for things that it can't fix automatically. One of those is providing alerts when it encounters an "Invalid citation parameter", but only for {{cite web}} and {{cite arXiv}}. Since the AWB developers have a hard-coded list of parameters, I added all the valid {{cite web}} parameters you provided to the list they use. Once all the major changes are made to the citation templates, I'll request that the AWB developers expand their "Invalid citation parameter" to other templates, if I can get a list of all the valid parameters at once. Keep up the good work! GoingBatty (talk) 01:24, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
I have today learned that {{cite arXiv}} uses approved parameters that are not listed at Module:Citation/CS1/Whitelist; I'm told that it's because it's using the older {{Citation/core}} method instead of Module:Citation/CS1, per this discussion on that Module's talk page. This doesn't appear to have any impact on WP:AWB/RTP currently, but it's good to know that if AWB expands to checking other templates, we'll have to ensure that the proper list of parameters for those templates is consulted. This is a lot to learn!—D'Ranged 1 VTalk 22:50, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Politics

Please take a look at Soraya Post, Kristina Winberg and Peter Lundgren (politician). Thank you :)--BabbaQ (talk) 21:55, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

@BabbaQ:  Done! Note that the interlanguage link at the end of the article is not needed once the link is added to Wikidata.
@Carriearchdale: - When running Reflinks, please double check every suggestion and correct errors before saving your edit. Common errors Reflinks makes include putting dates or email addresses in the |author= parameter, extra text (such as the publisher) in the |title= parameter, and icon templates in the language parameter. For example, these edits fixed the references in Soraya Post. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 22:21, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
Please take a look at Almstriden. Thanks!--BabbaQ (talk) 21:23, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
@BabbaQ:  Done - please expand references 1, 2, 5 & 7. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 23:36, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

can you help me debug?

Some new additions to my MOSNUM script to expand month names give rise to this error, where "$12" embedded within a url gets substituted with a comma. The only way I am free of the error is if I remove all three lines. Can u help me understand why this might be happening? Cheers, -- Ohc ¡digame! 07:03, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

@Ohconfucius: I tried to replicate the issue by copying the old version of your script to User:GoingBatty/script/MOSNUM dates.js, changing User:GoingBatty/vector.js to call my version of the script, and then clearing my cache (CTRL-F5). I then edited Paul Rodgers and clicked on "All dates to dmy" and could not reproduce the issue. Am I doing something wrong? GoingBatty (talk) 22:56, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
I also updated the edit summary in User:GoingBatty/script/MOSNUM dates.js to confirm that I was in fact clearing the cache and running that version. GoingBatty (talk) 22:59, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
The error is duplicated when clicking on "Expand ref dates", "Expand all dates", or "Abbrev ref dates". "All dates to dmy" doesn't call the error.—D'Ranged 1 VTalk 23:36, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
I only got the error when I clicked "Abbrev ref dates" - thanks for the tip. GoingBatty (talk) 23:39, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
@Ohconfucius: Now that I updated Paul Rodgers to add {{cite web}} so I could include an archiveurl, the script doesn't make the incorrect change. GoingBatty (talk) 23:51, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

It doesn't happen in your version because both lines are commented out. The problem seems to come from one or other of those rules that are commented out in your script. D'Ranged correctly noted that the error only happens when you click on the 'Expand refs' or 'Expand all' buttons and not the main function. This is a separate module which [fortunately] is independent of the "All dmy dates" composite function. There doesn't seem to be anything in the rules that would seem irregular to me, which is why I wanted your eagle eye cast on them. Cheers, -- Ohc ¡digame! 01:53, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

@Ohconfucius: It did happen in my version when I used "Abbrev ref dates". I didn't see anything unusual in the code either. Sorry! GoingBatty (talk) 01:55, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
Oh well, back to the old drawing board, as they say... -- Ohc ¡digame! 02:01, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
I'm just learning about RegEx (very slowly), so I doubt I'll be much use. I did take a look at User:Ohconfucius/script/MOSNUM utils.js, however, and there is an actual instance of "$12" in that script. Is it somehow being matched literally in the citation?—D'Ranged 1 VTalk 02:08, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
To test the theory, I deliberately changed the first instance of "$12" in the citation to "$21"; when I ran the script, it made the same substitution as before; substituting a comma for "$21". It's odd that it only does it on the first instance; now that there's an archive url, the "$12" text is repeated later in the citation, but the script leaves that instance alone. Baffling.—D'Ranged 1 VTalk 02:21, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

I looked at the other script that is called, m:User:Pathoschild/Scripts/Regex menu framework.js, which includes this line of code:

newtext.appendChild(document.createTextNode('), and a replacement text in the replacement box (reference groups use "$1" through "$9").'));

I went back to User:D'Ranged 1/script/MOSNUM utils.js and commented out the csub = csub.split("$11").join(regex_param[10]); through csub = csub.split("$20").join(regex_param[19]); lines; the script works now, with one small glitch: If I run "Abbrev ref dates", it changes Retrieved 11 March 2009.</ref> to Retrieved 11 Mar 2009,.</ref>, adding a comma after the abbreviated date. Perhaps that is something you know how to fix? I'm too new at RegEx and javascript to understand the mechanics yet, but I've done a fair amount of coding in Visual Basic. I'm not sure why Pathoschild's script is explicit in keeping the reference groups in single digits, but it seems that having extras creates heartache. I can't find where they're called in the script, either. I did some more playing with the section of the article, but moved it to User:D'Ranged 1/sandbox. Feel free to test and edit it there. I found that before I commented out the lines in utils.js, if I entered numbers in place of the $12 up to $19, it substituted a comma for three characters, $##. Once I got to $20, it only substituted the $2. That led me to believe that it was a range problem, which is why I tried the fix I did. Maybe someone more versed in the languages can explain why it works. If you want to test it without messing up your own scripts, call mine: User:D'Ranged 1/script/MOSNUM dates.js, which calls User:D'Ranged 1/script/MOSNUM utils.js with the csub lines commented out.—D'Ranged 1 VTalk 03:38, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

  • I started using the Pathoschild script because it allows for the substitution of regex instructions such as "txt.value=txt.value.replace" by "Regex". I never looked any further into how the code worked or its impact on other stuff. Similarly, I don't understand the Utilities code, except to know that it defines a number of key variable groups to be referred to with the "Ohc_regex" instruction call. -- Ohc ¡digame! 04:05, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

re: BattyBot

In a recent edit on White Sands Missile Range, BattyBot made some apparently incorrect capitalization changes within a note in the Citation needed format.Thewellman (talk) 21:44, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) If you mean the change from this 
{{Citation needed|date=This claim is at the Private (rocket) article, but was the launch actually on Fort Bliss or was it on the land later designated WSPG?}}
to this 
{{Citation needed|date=This claim is at the private (rocket) article but was the launch actually on fort bliss or was it on the land later designated wspg?}}
the template was being misused. The |date= parameter is for a month and year, nothing else; a brief textual description of the problem should go into the |reason= parameter, but something that long really belongs on the article's talk page. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:21, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
@Thewellman: I presume that one of AWB's general fixes is to remove capitalizations after the first character, expecting that only a month and year would be in the |date= parameter. I added a correct date and moved the text to a |reason= parameter. I made some additional fixes, but this edit from 30 SW really made a mess. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 22:44, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Playboy wiki page suggestion

Hey there. This is David Rams. I was a photographer for playboy for about 17 years and listed as one of the main photographers on the masthead for atleast 7 years. Could you please add me to playboy photographers. It would mean a lot to me. Thanks! David Rams my email is davidramsphoto@gmail.com Dramsphoto (talk) 11:59, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

@Dramsphoto: I'm sure I've unknowingly enjoyed your photography over the years. I suggest you post your request on Talk:Playboy and provide a third-party source. Note that every photographer on Playboy#Photographers has a reference. Also, I suggest you read Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide and not copy-paste your bio from your website to Wikipedia. (You might also want to fix the typos on your web site bio, such as "it’s creator", "self taught", and "Bloomingdales"). Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 01:46, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Kakan

Please take a look at Kakan Hermansson when you find time for it. Thanks.--BabbaQ (talk) 10:57, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

@BabbaQ:  Done - looks great! GoingBatty (talk) 00:43, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
Thank you as always! Take a look at Cristina Scuccia I stub that I created and which other users have contributed a lot too. --BabbaQ (talk) 19:35, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
@BabbaQ:  Done! Could you please clarify who defined her performance as "pure energy"? Was it Alicia Keys or someone else? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 20:36, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Soraya Post

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:02, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Battybot to extent activities to add living parameter?

Maybe you could extend Battybot's tasks to add |living= yes/no by comparing Category:Biography articles without living parameter with year of death/living people categories as I am doing since 2/2009? -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:49, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

@Magioladitis:  Working GoingBatty (talk) 00:08, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
@Magioladitis: See Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/BattyBot 30 and my recent contributions. GoingBatty (talk) 00:52, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for helping on this one. any chance that you can help on reducing those with no birth/death categories by checking manually? -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:54, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

@Magioladitis: Yes, I would like to check the articles missed in my bot trial and add the appropriate categories. GoingBatty (talk) 00:03, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

BOT query

Hi, why in this edit create a parameter |Kenya= when there is already a |kenya=? Keith D (talk) 17:41, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

@Keith D: It appears that |kenya=yes does not perform the same functionality as |Kenya=yes. It would have been better to replace |kenya= with |Kenya= than to add a new parameter. I will work on that before rerunning any talk page bot tasks. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 17:49, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for contributing on the Sleeping Dogs article! Here's a cookie. (Insert cookie here) URDNEXT (talk) 18:11, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

@URDNEXT: You're welcome. You may want to use a consistent format in the citation dates in Sleeping Dogs (video game) per WP:CITESTYLE. You might also want to define which version of English should be used in the article - seems there's a mix of both now. A template such as {{Use American English}} or {{Use British English}} may be helpful. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 18:15, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

The Child's Song-Story Book by W.F. De Bois Maclaren

Please see http://deboismaclaren.weebly.com/ for previously unpublished photographs of the above book which is referenced on the W.F. De Bois Maclaren's Wikipedia page. I would be most grateful if you could update Wikipedia with this further information. Should you have any queries please contact me via the aforementioned website. Many thanks in advance, Stacey Bowman. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.158.135.8 (talk) 20:11, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi Stacey! I don't think that the William de Bois Maclaren article needs a picture of every book he wrote, although you can bring it up at Talk:William de Bois Maclaren to see if others feel differently. I added a link to the website at the bottom of the article for you. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 20:32, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for speedy response. I thought you may wish to reference the page alongside the Toronto Public Library as it is the only other on-line record of the books existence. Furthermore, there are only two traceable copies of the book to date (references added to Home page foot. I respect your decision and will take this opportunity to thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.158.135.8 (talk) 08:03, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Cite news template

Hi. Hope you're well! I just wanted clarification on when to use cite news for references. Is it ok to use for online magazine/newspaper sources such as Deadline/Hollywood Reporter? Or is it purely for online versions of physical newspapers like for example LA Times? Cowlibob (talk) 21:12, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

@Cowlibob: As far as I know, Deadline.com and The Hollywood Reporter are both considered reliable sources. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 21:23, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
Oh that's not what I was asking. I wanted to know how best to cite them. Should I use cite news or cite web? Cowlibob (talk) 21:26, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
@Cowlibob: I don't think it matters - they now display the same:
  • Szalai, Georg (June 11, 2014). "Hacking Trial: Judge Finishes Case Summary, Jury to Mull Verdicts". The Hollywood Reporter.
  • Szalai, Georg (June 11, 2014). "Hacking Trial: Judge Finishes Case Summary, Jury to Mull Verdicts". The Hollywood Reporter.
GoingBatty (talk) 22:08, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
Oh, that's good. Thanks! Cowlibob (talk) 22:12, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Another full run for Battybot Task 25?

I have noticed that articles are still being pulled into the CS1 date error category (and new error categories) by the job queue (or whatever it is; I am still unclear on how this recategorization works) applying the changes made to the CS1 module on 30 March 2014. One error that pulls new articles into the date error category, even if they haven't been edited recently, is a leading zero in the day of the month. I know that BattyBot can fix those with ease.

If you start up a full run of BattyBot Task 25, I'll follow along behind it to see if I can find additional bot-fixable date errors. At some point soon, I'm hoping that we can declare the category "fixed as well as can reasonably be expected to be fixed by a bot" and start revealing the date errors so that conscientious editors can avoid introducing new errors.

Do you have time to start up another run? I see that there are a few recent edits targeting selected types of date errors. Thanks! – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:07, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

@Jonesey95:  Doing... now. I want to run this task in the middle to end of each month, in order to fix dates such as 06-12-2014 before they become ambiguous. I've been looking for more bot-fixable errors and expanding the bot's rules, and look forward to seeing your list. I think we need to have a discussion on one of the CS1 pages to determine what else we should do before we reveal the red date error to all readers. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 14:25, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Articles

Take a look at two articles that I created today Rudolf Fredrik Berg and Henry Dunker. Especially with the Rudolf Fredrik Berg article I could need assistance. Thanks :)--BabbaQ (talk) 20:56, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

@BabbaQ:  Done with Rudolf Fredrik Berg. It's not clear whether Anders Antonsson and Thure Petrén cofounded the Betel church or the employment office - some additional punctuation should be added to split the sentence into two. Please make sure I added reference #4 properly. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 21:20, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
@BabbaQ:  Done with Henry Dunker. GoingBatty (talk) 22:01, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
I created Skogssamer yesterday. Take a look. I am sure a lot can be improved and expanded etc :). Cheers.--BabbaQ (talk) 10:41, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
@BabbaQ:  Done This was a lot harder for me to copyedit, since I'm not familiar with the terminology. GoingBatty (talk) 17:46, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Personal pages?

I was surprised to see a bot playing with my test pages. I would not have thought this was possible, and I'm not sure you should be doing it even if it is allowed. Snori (talk) 09:50, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

@Snori: BattyBot's task 9 only removes article categories from user pages per WP:USERNOCAT. If you remove article categories from your test pages in the future, then BattyBot won't need to visit them again. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:24, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
Ah, now I see. Thanks! Snori (talk) 08:31, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Kakan Hermansson

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:53, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Help requested

If you have some time please check some of recent Yobot's for incorrectly tagged pages. Some pages were tagged for WP Romania while they should not. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:20, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

 Doing... some now, more later. GoingBatty (talk) 19:38, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
@Magioladitis: - I was first going through Yobot's contributions, looking at the article titles where it was possibly non-Romanian, reading the article, checking the talk page to see if the template was there, and reverting the edit. After a lot of that, I realized I could use AWB to generate a list of the pages where Yobot added the template, the template was still there, and the article doesn't contain "Romania". Here's the list of what I haven't done for you to work on:
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  179. Talk:Grigore Singurel
  180. Talk:Virginia Zaharieva
  181. Talk:Abadjiev
  182. Talk:Abadzhiev
  183. Talk:Grigorovich M-24
  184. Talk:Abaúj County
  185. Talk:Visigothic art and architecture
  186. Talk:Grigory Semyonov
  187. Talk:Visigothic coinage
  188. Talk:Abbasgulu bey Shadlinski
  189. Talk:Grigory Verzhbitsky
  190. Talk:Visigothic king
  191. Talk:Griselda Báthory
  192. Talk:Abbottabad Commission Report
  193. Talk:Vit
  194. Talk:Vita Karoli Magni
  195. Talk:Grivnik brigade
  196. Talk:Grković
  197. Talk:Vitalian (general)
  198. Talk:Abdul Abulbul Amir
  199. Talk:Abdul Samad Rohani
  200. Talk:Gromobój (armoured train)
  201. Talk:Vitaliy Popkov
  202. Talk:Gross-Basenach
  203. Talk:Vitaly Primakov
  204. Talk:Vithimiris
  205. Talk:Vitiges
  206. Talk:Großache
  207. Talk:Große Laber
  208. Talk:Vitoria-Gasteiz
  209. Talk:Abens
  210. Talk:Grubelić
  211. Talk:Vitovt Putna
  212. Talk:Abhorchdienst
  213. Talk:Vivat ribbons
  214. Talk:Ablain-Saint-Nazaire
  215. Talk:Viča, Štrpce
  216. Talk:Gu Xingqing
  217. Talk:Abraham Van Helsing
  218. Talk:Guantanamo detainees' appeals in Washington, D.C. courts
  219. Talk:Guard Battalion (Estonia)
  220. Talk:Abram Dragomirov
  221. Talk:Abramović
  222. Talk:Gudelj
  223. Talk:Vlad Vintilă de la Slatina
  224. Talk:Abrit
  225. Talk:Gudmund Schütte
  226. Talk:Vladimir Antonov-Ovseyenko
  227. Talk:Abritus
  228. Talk:Gudovac massacre
  229. Talk:Abrotonum
  230. Talk:Gudurica
  231. Talk:Abrupolis
  232. Talk:Abtsdorfer See
  233. Talk:Gulf of Burgas
  234. Talk:Abu Laith al-Libi
  235. Talk:Gulf of Odessa
  236. Talk:Abu Taur of Huesca
  237. Talk:Vladimir Dragomirov
  238. Talk:Academia Mihăileană
  239. Talk:Gulf of Varna
  240. Talk:Vladimir Gorev
  241. Talk:Vladimir Kappel
  242. Talk:Gunderic (bishop)
  243. Talk:Gundestrup cauldron
  244. Talk:Achaean War
  245. Talk:Gunther Philipp
  246. Talk:Achicourt
  247. Talk:Achiet-le-Grand
  248. Talk:Gurie Grosu
  249. Talk:Achila II
  250. Talk:Vladimir May-Mayevsky
  251. Talk:Vladimir Mudrinić
  252. Talk:Gusen (river)
  253. Talk:Actia
  254. Talk:Guslar, Bulgaria
  255. Talk:Vladimir Purishkevich
  256. Talk:Gustav Heinse
  257. Talk:Action of 23 April 1945
  258. Talk:Vladimir Sergeyevich Timiryov
  259. Talk:Gustav Jaumann
  260. Talk:Gustav Kieseritzky

Going to bed now - good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 03:06, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

I cleaned the entire list. You are great! Thanks. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:17, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi, I wonder what tool you used to search for the word "Romania" in the list and generate another one? Thanks. --Codrin.B (talk) 08:14, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
@Codrinb: I used AutoWikiBrowser (AWB). Magioladitis is one of the AWB developers, and we both use AWB for our bots. GoingBatty (talk) 16:46, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Nomination of Kakan Hermansson for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Kakan Hermansson is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kakan Hermansson until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HandsomeFella (talk • contribs) 19:23, June 19, 2014‎ (UTC)

It's presently in Main Page "Did you know...", so I closed it Speedy Keep per WP:KEEP#5. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:09, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Currency

I added some regular expressions to fix currency syntax via AWB; to remove unneeded spaces between symbol and number. Please run the latest revision against various cases to spot any bug on it. Thanks, Magioladitis (talk) 09:00, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

@Magioladitis: Installed SVN 10256 - thanks for the heads up and for continuing to improve AWB! GoingBatty (talk) 23:31, 20 June 2014 (UTC)


Gynning

Please take a look at the Carolina Gynning article when you got time for it! I will nominate it for GA soon. Thanks.--BabbaQ (talk) 09:53, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

@BabbaQ:  Done. Could you please which shows should be listed in the Television filmography and which should be listed in the TV presenter filmography? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 19:15, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Create an article for the actor Dariush Kashani

Hello,

I am following guidelines on how to get an article created. Hope this is the correct format.

The article is for the actor, Dariush Kashani. His web site is www.dariushkashani.com.

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.122.12.78 (talk) 20:28, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Starting an article is what you're looking for. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 03:27, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

More proposed CS1 date error fixes for BattyBot task 25

I had to look at over 200 articles to find these edge cases.

That's 2–3% of the articles I looked at, and they were a pretty random sample (articles starting with "Sa", without any articles on a theme that happen to start with the same word). I'd like to see one more BattyBot pass with these new rules in place, if you agree that they are feasible, and then I'll look at another 200 articles. If I find only one or two patterns to fix, I'll open a discussion about making these error messages visible. Nice work! – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:19, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

@Jonesey95: Will do! I have a few additions I want to make as well before running the bot again. I look forward to doing this over the weekend. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 16:51, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
@Jonesey95:  Done all and running now. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 02:27, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
@Jonesey95:  Done running - over 1,000 more articles fixed. GoingBatty (talk) 22:13, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Henry Dunker

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:53, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Rudolf Fredrik Berg

Gatoclass (talk) 00:04, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

Gerald Shields leading the masses to improve Wikimedia one cosmetically fashionable photograph at a time. North Korean Fashion Watch Barnstar
Gerald Shields, founder of the North Korean Fashion Watch, awards you the North Korean Fashion Watch Barnstar for your continuing efforts to add reliable and poignant discussions about North Korean topics, such as the 2014 comedy movie The Interview. Geraldshields11 (talk) 13:53, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Articles

Could you please take a look at two articles that I have created today Jan O. Jansson and Sophia Rosenhane. Thank you as always!--BabbaQ (talk) 20:11, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

@BabbaQ:  Done - happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 02:25, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) I always like small articles with many sources, such as these 2 articles. Easy to expand. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 02:32, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Seeking Consensus for Graham Downs article: Italics or Quotes for Stories?

Hi,

I've just added a couple of paragraphs on Talk:Graham_Downs, explaining why I think the titles of the author's stories should be in italics, and not inside quotes. This is in response to your edit, when you replaced the italics with quotes.

I wonder if you would mind commenting on my reasoning there, and explaining why you feel otherwise (if you still do)?

Thanks! --GrahamDo (talk) 14:15, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Replied at Talk:Graham Downs - thanks for the heads up! GoingBatty (talk) 17:14, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Footnote numbers out of order

I seem to recall that one of the things your bot fixes is footnote numbers that appear out of numerical order. Do I recall correctly? If so, is there a way for me to get the script that does this? Scanning an article by sight for this anomaly is a painful process; I can't think of an automated way to check the order myself. Hope you can help! Thanks.—D'Ranged 1 VTalk 01:21, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

@D'Ranged 1: That functionality is part of AWB's general fixes, not something I designed myself. If you post on Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser, maybe one of the developers would share the code with you. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 01:53, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
I'm an authorized AWB user, but I'm still getting my feet wet. I'm assuming if I process the page with "Apply general fixes" checked, it will be taken care of. Thanks so much for the info!—D'Ranged 1 VTalk 02:40, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
@D'Ranged 1: You are correct - happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 02:42, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
Well, it didn't work. I found I had to go into the "Skip" tab and deselect "Only genfixes". I know we're not supposed to use AWB for minor, trivial edits, but I don't think this falls into that category. Thanks again for your help!—D'Ranged 1 VTalk 08:16, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
@D'Ranged 1: Yes, if you're not making any other changes to the article, then you need to deselect "Only genfixes". Most of the AWB concerns are when a user makes lots of changes using AWB that don't impact how the article is displayed. Your change doesn't fall into that category. There have been some people who intentionally want footnote numbers out of numerical order. To stop AWB from reordering the references, we can add a comment between the references. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 15:54, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
One of the things I like least about Wikipedia is that it lacks consistency in so many areas, especially in footnotes/citations. I understand the reasoning, I just think that, for a quality product, consistency is crucial. I can almost imagine why someone wouldn't want footnote numbers in order, but feel that their personal wishes should be overridden in favor of consistency. Yet another windmill I'm not willing to tilt at! All that aside, please know that I truly appreciate your patience and help; I so wish many more editors had your attitude. You are on a very short list of folks here that I consider to be shining examples of how Wikipedia should work. Maybe I've just encountered more than my fair share of the "grumpies", "know-it-alls but unwilling to shares", and "scoffers", but I also know that Wikipedia loses many good editors because of difficult personal interactions with others. I took a long break from editing for that, and other, reasons. It's folks like you who make what I try to contribute here more enjoyable. Many, many, many thanks, and keep up the good work!—D'Ranged 1 VTalk 21:29, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
@D'Ranged 1: Sorry for the late reply. While there are definite benefits to consistency, I can't imagine the amount of effort (and the number of volunteer editors we would lose) if we tried to standardize to one citation format (or one date format or US vs. British spelling) across all 4.5 million articles.
Thank you very much for the kind words. While I've run across my share of "grumpies" (I like that word!), I am happy that there are so many editors who have taken the time to help me when I have questions and are patient with me when I do something silly. (Yes, I mean you, my talk page stalkers!) I find that taking breaks is important when I'm feeling frustrated or upset, but they make it easy for me to refind my niche here and continue to inspire me to go forward. Thanks for all you do here, and I look forward to working with you too! GoingBatty (talk) 23:07, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Reference Errors on 2 July

Hello, I'm ReferenceBot. I have automatically detected that an edit performed by you may have introduced errors in referencing. It is as follows:

Please check this page and fix the errors highlighted. If you think this is a false positive, you can report it to my operator. Thanks, ReferenceBot (talk) 00:27, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

 Fixed - thanks ReferenceBot! GoingBatty (talk) 00:37, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Archive.is

I fixed them in a better way. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:02, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

@Magioladitis: Agreed - thanks! I didn't check all your edits - there may be others that could use the same improvement. GoingBatty (talk) 17:05, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Project watchlist

The coding *[https://tools.wmflabs.org/dispenser/cgi-bin/transcluded_changes.py/Template:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Wikiproject Watchlist - {{BASEPAGENAME}}] is not working. Anything we can fix? ... see {{WPTools}} -- Moxy (talk) 17:39, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

@Moxy: It seems Dispenser is having problems with https://tools.wmflabs.org/dispenser/cgi-bin/transcluded_changes.py - hopefully Dispenser will get all the tools working soon. GoingBatty (talk) 17:52, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
OH I see ...on the server end.. Will just wait. Thank you --Moxy (talk) 17:55, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Thea Austin

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:03, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Psst

Look again at the version of Kameničky that you tagged as not English. Scroll down - the new user had copied the Czech article, or the start of it, above English. (He had previously expanded the article - this was the version before he started work). All fixed now, but please check the bottom of the page and/or the history - I actually had to undelete it, it had been speedied A2! Yngvadottir (talk) 15:31, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

@Yngvadottir: Ah, I should have added {{cleanup-translation}} instead of {{Not English}} - thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 15:37, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Pagename

I've experimented with the auto-substituting template in the past and it ended up making a huge mess. Can I have someone use a bot to replace the pagename template later when I'm done? Abyssal (talk) 17:40, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

@Abyssal: I made a mess on Acredale Formation when I used {{subst:pagename}}, and found that {{subst:PAGENAME}} works just fine. Could you please try using this on one of the new articles that you're creating? If it works, could you please use it on all new articles (and we'll try to have a bot clean up the existing articles)? If it doesn't work for you, could you please let me know, and we can try to see how to resolve the issue? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 17:48, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
The difference is that {{pagename}} is a template, but {{PAGENAME}} is a variable, part of the MediaWiki software. Some templates may be substituted, but {{pagename}} is not one of them; it also adds the page to Category:Pages which use a template in place of a magic word. Most variables may be substituted, and {{PAGENAME}} is one of them - provided that there is no pipe character after the word PAGENAME. That is, both {{subst:PAGENAME}} and {{subst:PAGENAME:Foo}} are OK, but {{subst:PAGENAME|Foo}} is not. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:36, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
@Abyssal: See Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/BattyBot 32 and Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser/Feature requests#Pages which use a template in place of a magic word. GoingBatty (talk) 04:06, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
Bot trial approved, please post results on the bot request page. — xaosflux Talk 04:14, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
Bot approved, please see notes on the request. — xaosflux Talk 13:42, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
@Xaosflux: Thanks so much for the speedy approval. Looks like Magioladitis not only made an adjustment to AWB to facilitate this change but also fixed the articles created by Abyssal. Thanks everyone! GoingBatty (talk) 22:01, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
Yes, I 've been silently doing this task for a long time now. It's of course better to have more bots/editors taking care of it. The bot request was a good motive to adjust the AWB's settings instead of having my own settings all this time. -- Magioladitis (talk) 04:41, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
@Magioladitis: Do you know what needs to be changed on Template:Element color to get it out of Category:Pages which use a template in place of a magic word? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 02:51, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) It might be this bit in the documentation subpage. 

<includeonly>{{#ifeq:{{SUBPAGENAME|sandbox||
[[Category:Chemical element color templates| {{PAGENAME}}]]
[[Category:Periodic table style and format templates]]

This code doesn't seem to work right; see the stray "ifeq sandbox" code at the bottom of the documentation. Hope that helps. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:41, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

@Jonesey95: That did it! Silly me was looking at the code in Template:Element color and not the code in Template:Element color/doc. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 04:48, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
@Jonesey95 and GoingBatty: The problem was not the presence of that code; it was that a double closing brace was missing. The first line should have read
<includeonly>{{#ifeq:{{SUBPAGENAME}}|sandbox||
the missing braces being those immediately after SUBPAGENAME --Redrose64 (talk) 09:54, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
So can I use the pagename template like I was and then replace it with the substituting version via bot afterwards? Abyssal (talk) 01:06, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
@Abyssal: No, forget about using {{subst:pagename}}. Just use {{subst:PAGENAME}} and no cleanup should be necessary. --Redrose64 (talk) 01:39, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
@Redrose64: I meant the {{pagename}} template. It's a lot easier than using a substituting template because everytime I've tried that in the past I've ended up with embarrassing copy-paste errors. Abyssal (talk) 01:47, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
@Abyssal: I'm sorry you had issues in the past. As I asked above, could you please try using {{subst:PAGENAME}} on one of the new articles that you're creating? There are several of us on this conversation that would be happy to help you if you have any issues. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 03:03, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
@Abyssal: Regarding {{pagename}}, please don't use that either; its documentation states "this should never be used directly". --Redrose64 (talk) 07:05, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
@Redrose64: Thanks for the help! Sorry for all the problems I caused! <3 Abyssal (talk) 20:19, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Skogssamer

Gatoclass (talk) 10:49, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Jan O. Jansson

Gatoclass (talk) 18:33, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Latest AWB version

You have the latest version of AWB? OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 11:27, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

@OccultZone: I try to keep up with the latest SVN version - see Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Sources. GoingBatty (talk) 01:46, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
This module works for you? OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 01:52, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
@OccultZone: Yes - see this edit. Be sure you're not loading the <source>...</source> tag into AWB - just the contents in between. GoingBatty (talk) 01:58, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
So simple, thanks! OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 02:04, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
  • You know that this module is probably as perfect as the TPL/Wikiproject module of Magioladitis, which is used by number of bots. I had made over thousand of edits with the module of Ohconfucius, mistaken only once.[3] Module supports the guidelines that has been provided on Wikipedia:Overlinking. 10 edits+ a minute were common, but I am sure that it should be done on purpose. You know any active bots who work on removing the redundant links? Or we need one. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 04:11, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
    • The Wikipedia linking culture has moved a long way, but links being so context-dependent and such a lifeblood for us here, I don't think it's ever likely for there to be consensus for blanket removal of certain links across the 'pedia. I'm forever fine-tuning my script to find links that can be removed in specific contexts (such as when a common linked term is adjacent to another less common linked term), and there may be potential for a bot in such cases. -- Ohc ¡digame! 05:00, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
    • PS. I've fixed the bug with the spurious close parenthesis. -- Ohc ¡digame! 05:03, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
As there is potential and these edits are obviously non-controversial. A bot can be tried. @Ohconfucius:, going through the archives, that was your opinion in 2010, but afterwards, a number of bots have performed the tasks of removing links. Shall we propose on WT:Manual of Style/Linking? This proposal has failed. Didn't knew about it until today. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 04:54, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
Aside from linked dates, I'm not aware of any other systematic and wholesale removal of links by bot. Usually, such removals would tend to be very specific instances or defined by specific contexts and limited in scope. We might be able to create a very stripped down version (or a very limited and specific contextual unlinking module) working within certain carefully selected categories so that it would meet the expectation of BAG as being entirely uncontroversial. Not inconceivable, but that would need a lot of work and discussion. -- Ohc ¡digame! 06:22, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
PS, the Proposal to allow links once per section hasn't formally failed yet, but the proposer refuses to accept it is dead to all intents an purposes. -- Ohc ¡digame! 06:26, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Talking with IP users

Hi. Hope you're well. I've recently come into conflict with an IP user who has added content without properly sourcing or showing evidence of the notability of the content addition. I want to help them by advicing them on what would be acceptable but as IP's don't have talk pages, I'm flummoxed on what to do. Advice? Cowlibob (talk) 15:01, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

@Cowlibob: IPs can have talk pages - see User talk:76.117.247.55 for an example. If the IP user always uses the same IP address, feel free to start a user talk page for them. Just in case they don't see their user talk page, you may also want to add a note on the article talk page with your concerns, and then revert the IP user's edit with a detailed edit summary that directs them to discuss on the article talk page. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 15:08, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
That's useful to know, thanks! Cowlibob (talk) 15:52, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Wikiproject tools

Just FYI... I notice the edit at Wikipedia:WikiProject California‎ - just so you know we are working on a template to replace the tools for the projects....but we are waiting for the watch-list to work again and permanent URL's before adding them back. See Template:WPTools for the template. -- Moxy (talk) 02:07, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

@Moxy: - Yes, I believe I made a suggestion about it on the Village Pump, and then edited the template when I noticed my suggestion wasn't quite right. Keep up the good work on it! GoingBatty (talk) 02:11, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
Sorry GoingBatty did not realizes that was you. Have you talked to Dispenser is there any plans to bring back the watchlists? -- Moxy (talk) 17:27, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
@Moxy: I did not talk to Dispenser about the watchlists, as I do not use them. When things get stable, I'd like to talk to Dispenser about the unresolved Reflinks/Dab solver bugs. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 19:57, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Skogssamer

Could you please take another look at Skogssamer article. It was in need for copyediting for Standard English according to the DYK nom reviewer. Thanks.--BabbaQ (talk) 10:28, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

@BabbaQ: I made a few more minor changes to the article for you. You may want to post a request at Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests as well. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 12:23, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
With the help from you and a few other users the article seems ready. Thanks :)--BabbaQ (talk) 18:43, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
Your assistance on the Brita von Horn article would be appreciated.--BabbaQ (talk) 20:26, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
@BabbaQ:  Done! GoingBatty (talk) 01:49, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Cleanup after Project Tagger

Hi GoingBatty. Thanks for the great work BattyBot did fixing up those Project Tagger issues. Magiciandude certainly did tag a lot of articles with it! Thanks again. DH85868993 (talk) 06:38, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

My pleasure! GoingBatty (talk) 10:34, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

hello batty

Hello batty, I am a minor in a family consisting of four individuals, and my mother had me and my brother with my biological dad when she was married to him, she then dovorced him and married my step dad, she now wants to divorce my step dad and go back to my real dad, is it legal for me to stay with my step dad? Even though my biological dad and mom want me to be with them? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.13.80.185 (talk) 21:10, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

I'm not an expert in family law, and would suspect the laws depend on the state or country where you reside. I hope that you can talk about this with your parents & step dad, and maybe school counselors, religious leaders, or other adults you know and trust that could provide guidance for you. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 01:57, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
@41.13.80.185: A minor is allowed to stay with his step dad, you will have to address the court that what you want, but even for that you will need to have a case against your mom or anyone who is stopping you. You can inform police then only a case will be registered. You will have to clarify that you are not taking this decision under any kind of suppression or force. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 03:49, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
you need advice from a specialist in family law, especially if you can't get your mum's agreement. -- Ohc ¡digame! 12:12, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Permission

Dear Sir,

I am Abdul Malik from Kabul Afghanistan and I am writing a book on Undone Infrastructure of Afghanistan. I saw your post and would like to include some it's parts in my Publication (Economic Topics) Kindly let me know of your permission if I could publish the information you've indicted in Wikipedia website!

Thank You,

Abdul Malik "Momand" Kabul Afghanistan a.malik@ymail.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.222.141.34 (talk) 02:13, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi Abdul! Please see Wikipedia:Reusing Wikipedia content for the answer to your question. Good luck with the book! GoingBatty (talk) 02:33, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

DISPLAYTITLE

Hello GoingBatty, I noticed you were the last editor to make edits for the Wikipedia page of Noel Ashman. I want to ask if there is a way to edit the DISPLAYTITLE that reads "User:Todayilearned/Noel Ashman" to read "Noel Ashman" or something similar. Please let me know. Biancamariecar (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 16:28, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

@Biancamariecar: My bot made the last edit to User:Todayilearned/Noel Ashman, which is a userspace draft. When the draft is ready, then User:Todayilearned can move the article to Noel Ashman, which will automatically change the title. Until then, it's important the title stays as is to indicate that it is not yet an article. If you let me know when it becomes an article, I'll be happy to do some minor cleanup on it. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 16:48, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
@Biancamariecar: Sorry - didn't see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Noel Ashman (3rd nomination) before my reply. The draft would need major revisions to show notability before you could request that it becomes an article - see Wikipedia:Protection policy#Creation protection. GoingBatty (talk) 16:56, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi

Please take a look at the Alice Teodorescu and Fittja gård article that I created today. Thanks :)--BabbaQ (talk) 17:51, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

@BabbaQ:  Done! GoingBatty (talk) 18:16, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

ANI

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Removal of AWB bit for User:OccultZone regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Bgwhite (talk) 07:18, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

@Bgwhite: Thanks for the note. The discussion was already closed by the time I had a chance to review it. GoingBatty (talk) 02:19, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Elsa Collin

Gatoclass (talk) 04:10, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Dead link tags

I think I did the best possible by adding the feature and running a bot to fix at about 4,000 pages. I still think there are some not caught by my logic. Moreover, there are cases of duplicated dead end tags on the same reference. -- Magioladitis (talk)

@Magioladitis: Great job! When there are duplicated tags, are they now both inside the ref tags, or is one inside and one outside? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 01:52, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
This one was the most fun. In all cases I found there were both inside. AWB will move the one outside to the inside anyway. -- Magioladitis (talk) 05:11, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Barnstar of Diligence
For outstanding work in both identifying edits I made using AWB that broke a couple pages, and the outstanding patience in teaching me how to file a bug report. ♥ Solarra ♥ ♪ 話 ♪ ߷ ♀ 投稿 ♀ 05:53, 19 July 2014 (UTC)


Solarra, you know, life is just not fair sometimes. GoingBatty gets love and praise. What do I get? Solarra leaves me with a lovely user that can't get thru their head that shouting and name calling doesn't work so well. Now I'm getting emails from them that are so wonderful, even though I said get lost twice. Don't worry Solarra, I will get even. <maniacal laugh maniacal laugh> Bgwhite (talk) 06:58, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

@Bgwhite: To be fair, within a day of starting to use AWB on a regular basis, I get hit with a bug where it randomly decides to blank pages and label them as a stub. Anyways, we all love you <3 ♥ Solarra ♥ ♪ 話 ♪ ߷ ♀ 投稿 ♀ 07:02, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
@Bgwhite: Sounds like you need to take a wikibreak and listen to some soothing harp music. GoingBatty (talk) 11:58, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

The Shapies

I'm taking your advice, so, have you seen the Shapies?

~~ ArthurRead1234

@ArthurRead1234: Sorry, I've never seen The Shapies TV show. GoingBatty (talk) 22:38, 19 July 2014 (UTC)


@GoingBatty: Have the producers or anybody who worked on the show ever messaged you about the series?.

~~ArthurRead1234

@ArthurRead1234: You're the first person to ever talk to me about the series or the article. GoingBatty (talk) 23:11, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Brita von Horn

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 19:42, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

module

It turns that this change has this counter-effect. When there is a line-break the substitution is not done. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:34, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

We may need to add (\r\n)? to make it work correctly. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:35, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
@Magioladitis: Drat! I am so sorry! Looks like \r? works better. GoingBatty (talk) 02:12, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
Great idea. Can you please implement it? -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:56, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
@Magioladitis: Done - sorry again for causing a problem. GoingBatty (talk) 16:24, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
No serious problem caused. Now we have an even better module. I still think, though that you could leave " *" in place and add "\r?" to cover cases with spaces. I'll have a check. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:41, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
@Magioladitis: We could also try (\s*)([\|}{<]) and then end every rule with $2$3, which should maintain the original spacing. GoingBatty (talk) 03:11, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Can you please try it for me? Thanks, Magioladitis (talk) 12:23, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

With my approach I fix this. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:01, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Alice Teodorescu

The DYK project (nominate) 09:58, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

BattyBot error

Hi GoingBatty. It appears that BattyBot is replacing:

{{WikiProject Andorra}}

with:

{{WikiProject European Microstate|Andorra=yes}}

as it did here. (I have fixed that instance). I believe it should be:

{{WikiProject European Microstates|Andorra=yes}}

Note that I didn't stop the bot because it had only broken one page. Regards. DH85868993 (talk) 13:41, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

DH85868993 thanks for the report. bug fixed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:08, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
You're welcome / thanks. DH85868993 (talk) 14:11, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

I bypassed all redirects so no bot will cause any harm even they are still running with the older version. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:11, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

July 2014

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 Fixed - Thanks BracketBot! GoingBatty (talk) 00:09, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi

Hope you have had a pleasant Wikibreak! Could you please take a look at Elsa Billgren, Valentin Wolfenstein and Ekeby oak tree. Thank you :)--BabbaQ (talk) 15:49, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

@BabbaQ:  Done! GoingBatty (talk) 02:52, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
And Älgen Stolta :) Thank you for your assistance, as always!--BabbaQ (talk) 13:12, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
@BabbaQ:  Done! GoingBatty (talk) 15:49, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Query on BLPs

Hi. Hope you're well. If I wanted to add a section on a BLP where the person has been charged with a crime but has not been convicted of it, what would be the best title to use? Cowlibob (talk) 15:24, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

@Cowlibob: Hmmm - that's a tough one. Arrest? Allegations? Controversy? If you could provide the article and charge, I might be able to come up with something better. WP:BLPCRIME doesn't answer your question. WT:BLP might be a good forum to ask. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 16:06, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) Personally, I would leave it out until the trial - if it gets that far - is over. Innocent until proven guilty: we should not smear anybody. That is what WP:BLP ia all about.
@GoingBatty: I think that WP:BLP/N is better for cases like this than WT:BLP. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:10, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
@Redrose64: It might be important to consider the notability of the charge. For example, O.J. Simpson's arrest and trial were much more notable than someone's alleged speeding violation.
I've never used WP:BLP/N, but noticed it says "This page is for reporting issues regarding biographies of living persons. Generally this means cases where editors are repeatedly adding defamatory or libelous material to articles about living people over an extended period. This page is not for simple vandalism or material which can easily be removed without argument. If you can, simply remove the offending material." GoingBatty (talk) 16:17, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
I'm looking to clean up/wikify this article, Inder Kumar on the weekend, which is pretty terrible at the moment. From what I found, he's been charged and is out on bail but not yet on trial. Probably due to the notoriously slowness of the Indian judicial system. Cowlibob (talk) 16:23, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
@Cowlibob: I agree that the article could use some work. I wonder if Kumar meets WP:NACTOR - having a section that describes the significance of his roles in the films with sourced reviews would be wonderful. It would be great if you could also update the Controversy section with up to date information, and turn those external links into references. Thanks, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 16:31, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

bud ekins

Bud was the stuntman on then came bronson, tv show, he is in the opening scene riding up the coast of monterey ca. You can ck this out at MGM or with Mikeal Parks Thx — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.141.229.13 (talk) 05:07, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Looks like the Bud Ekins article already mentions his work on Then Came Bronson in the "Filmography and television stunt work" section. If you have any suggestions to improve the article, I suggest you post on Talk:Bud Ekins and provide any reliable sources that you have. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 16:48, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

BattyBot breaking Unicode

In this edit, BattyBot broke Unicode by replacing a SMP character (character codes 10000-1FFFF16 / 65536-131071) with the corresponding BMP character (character codes 0-FFFF16 / 0-65535). It needs to not do that. Ever. VanIsaacWScont 04:03, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

@Vanisaac: Thanks for letting me know. I have opened a bug report at Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser/Bugs#Incorrect character replacement so the AWB developers can address this issue. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 16:40, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, I saw your report on my watchlist. Thanks for your conscientiousness. VanIsaacWScont 02:29, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

We provide a workaround with the use of {{PUA}} for those characters that are not supported by all browsers. As I see this character was introduced in Unicode 7.0 (June 2014). -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:52, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Vanisaac, no browser will render the page without extra fonts installed, which means 99.9% of the people can't see the page. It probably would be a good idea to mention this in the article and have an easy to find link to a gif/png image of these characters. btw... thanks for adding the page. I always love reading about the different language glyphs and reading about new Unicode glyphs. Yes, I'm weird. Bgwhite (talk) 22:07, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
I've got a nice little copy and paste templatein my userspace to make these pages. So having been involved with Unicode IRL (I wrote the proposal for one of the new scripts in 7.0), I figure it's one of those basic maintenance things to do when a new version comes out, and it's not like there are a lot of us out there paying attention to these things. VanIsaacWScont 02:29, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
@Magioladitis {{PUA}} is a maintenance template used to indicate that a PUA character is used, and that it should be replaced by an assigned Unicode character if possible. The template is not intended to be used on Unicode characters that may not be widely supported because they have been newly added to Unicode, and does not help with display in any case. BabelStone (talk) 08:29, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Question on how to reverse splitting of content

Hi. Hope you're well. I just noticed this accolades list for a film Link to article. It has a grand total of 10 awards/nominations, clearly not enough to justify an article for itself. The parent article has plenty of space for the content to be transferred back. I was wondering how best to do this? Cowlibob (talk) 21:12, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

@Cowlibob: I suggest you use the {{merge to}} template on List of accolades received by Selena (film), and {{merge from}} on the parent article, and explain on one of the talk pages why you would like to merge these articles. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 22:28, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. If I wanted to boldly merge the articles, how would I go about doing that as I don't think it would be contentious? Cowlibob (talk) 22:59, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
@Cowlibob: You could copy the awards from List of accolades received by Selena (film) and paste them into a new smaller single table in Selena (film)#Awards, and then nominate List of accolades received by Selena (film) for proposed deletion. GoingBatty (talk) 00:03, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
Done as suggested. Thanks for the help as always. Cowlibob (talk) 18:21, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Perrelli

I have worked to improve the Charlotte Perrelli article today. If you can find any further improvements, that would be appreciated! :)--BabbaQ (talk) 17:07, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

 Done GoingBatty (talk) 00:03, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Mary Jean Lastimosa

Hello I'm Bold textAra Isler, i just want you to know that Mary Jean Lastimosa is actually 5'7½ in height. So kindly edit it.And please allow me to edit also the biography of Mary Jean Lastimosa because before it became private for editing to other I am also the one who edit it and correct the wrong informations about her. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ara Isler (talk • contribs) 07:13, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

@Ara Isler: I suggest you post on Talk:Mary Jean Lastimosa to request that her height be corrected - please provide a reliable source and use {{Edit semi-protected}}. It appears that Ponyo temporarily protected the article due to "significant BLP vandalism". If you can't wait until this protection expires on 8 September, please use the article's talk page. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 15:40, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Älgen Stolta

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 06:54, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

How to reverse the creation of an article

Hi. Hope you're well. Recently a user created this article The Dark Knight (trilogy) based on "their perception" that it was required based on this discussion [[4]] which clearly has no consensus. As the user has already created the article what are the options available? Cowlibob (talk) 18:50, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

@Cowlibob: Looks like The Dark Knight (trilogy) was an existing redirect that was expanded. That expansion has already been reverted by another editor. GoingBatty (talk) 23:35, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Supernaturaland

I was reading about Cass of Supernaturaland I think there is a mistake. Sadly I don't know how to fix it. I thought you might want to do it. It says Cass brought Dean back from hell but wasn't it Sam? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:5B0:27FF:1CF0:0:0:0:38 (talk) 15:41, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't know what Wikipedia article you're referring to. I suggest that you post on the article's talk page for assistance. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 01:29, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Malls are generally considered to be buildings

As per discussion around CSD A7, malls are generally considered to be buildings.  Please see [5].  Unscintillating (talk) 02:37, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

@Unscintillating: Thanks for the info. I will change these from {{notability|Companies}} to {{notability|geography}}, which will provide a link to Wikipedia:Notability (geographic features). Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 01:34, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Problem on Userbox pages

Hi, Please see this edit, as BattyBot removed categories that were not article categories, they were template categories. I found another one here that I fixed today: [6] It might be because the templates are in the User namespace, instead of the template namespace. Funandtrvl (talk) 01:32, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

@Funandtrvl: Yes, the issue is that the template categories were used on a user page. I noticed that Category:Browser user templates says "User pages are not user templates, so they do not belong in user template categories", so it seems my bot's edit was correct. However, if there's something in the MOS or elsewhere that states that user pages can have template categories, please let me know so we can discuss further. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 01:26, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
Yes, I don't know what to tell you because if you look at Category:Userboxes, there are a ton of userbox templates in the username namespace. There are also WikiProjects that use the Wikpedia namespace for their userboxes, see: Category:WikiProject user templates. So, I guess that using namespaces would not be a good default for the bot, as templates are in three different namespaces--the template, user and Wikipedia namespaces. There does not seem to be any rhyme or reason to it, but it does seem to be allowed, per Wikipedia:Userboxes#Which namespace?. If it were up to me, I'd keep templates in the template namespace only! Funandtrvl (talk) 01:38, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
@Funandtrvl: I agree that userboxes can be in different namespaces, but I don't believe that user pages belong in template categories. Any advice from my talk page stalkers would be appreciated. GoingBatty (talk) 01:53, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

BattyBot task 24

Hi, I was looking for the list of strings that BattyBot removed from author fields but could not locate one. So could you check for the following strings, if not already done, on the next run.

  • "Please enter your username"
  • "Login or Register to add a comment"
  • "Name (required)"
  • "Name *"

Thanks Keith D (talk) 14:17, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

@Keith D: I've documented some of my bots, and need to document this one too. Thank you for the suggestions. My bot should pick up #1 and #3 above. It doesn't pick up #2, but I don't see any instances of this phrase on Wikipedia. For #4, are you suggesting any parameter that starts with "Name", or literally the word "Name" followed by an asterisk? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 02:19, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
I cleared the existing entries of the second one after I posted this, so there may not be any at the moment. The final one is a literal "Name" followed by an asterisk, which the standard search would not pick-up so I could not correct those. Keith D (talk) 11:03, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
@Keith D: Would you happen to have an example for #4? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 01:58, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Another update for BattyBot task 25?

If you have time to run BattyBot task 25 through the date error category in the next few days, I can take a look at the category to come up with a (final?) batch of changes to suggest. After that, we could talk about making the error messages visible. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:34, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

@Jonesey95: I'm on wiki break for a few days. I have a list of 20 articles to review for potential new rules before I run the task again. GoingBatty (talk) 16:45, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
That timing works great for me. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:49, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
@Jonesey95: Rules added/tweaked, doing full run now. GoingBatty (talk) 16:50, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank You

thanks for the link..comment added — Preceding unsigned comment added by TaniB (talk • contribs) 04:57, 25 August 2014‎ (UTC)

Proposed additional date fixes

I have looked through articles that BattyBot was unable to fix, and I found the following potentially-fixable patterns:

Let me know if you have any questions. I may have time to dig up some more later. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:25, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

@Jonesey95: Thanks for the list! #4 not done because of the template within the citation. #12 not done because it appears to be Malayalam, which has their months based on the zodiac, not a 1-to-1 relationship with western calendars. Working on the others... GoingBatty (talk) 00:01, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
@Jonesey95: The rest have been done except #6 because of the template within the citation, and #7 because I thought we agreed this could be the end of a valid date range. (I do remove the leading dash from an accessdate.) Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 01:34, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

I had to look through 130 articles to find the seven fixable errors above. – Jonesey95 (talk) 02:15, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

@Jonesey95: All done except #18, as we agreed that there could be a digit missing from the month field. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 03:26, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. I'm done with this round. I'll be curious to see how many articles these changes fix. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:01, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

This change to Kadashman-Turgu is incorrect in that season names should not be capitalized. Jc3s5h (talk) 05:40, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

@Jc3s5h:
Therefore, I believe the edit is correct. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 11:42, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
The module is wrong. The module does not know how to spell. You must stop your bot until you fix it. Jc3s5h (talk) 13:01, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
@Jc3s5h: Thank you for bringing up the issue at Module talk:Citation/CS1/Archive 10#Wrong capitalization in check for season names. I will continue to update the bot code to reflect any changes to the module. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 13:16, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
@GoingBatty:Since there is good reason to believe the module is wrong, the bot should not change from an arguably correct date to an arguably incorrect date. I am not aware of any discussion of this point during the design of the module, and I believe whoever coded this requirement had no consensus to do so. Jc3s5h (talk) 13:26, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

August 2014

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 Fixed - thanks BracketBot! GoingBatty (talk) 00:56, 24 August 2014 (UTC)


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 Fixed, although my edit was not the cause of this issue. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 18:18, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

BattyBot

I'm confused by this edit of BattyBot where it claims to have "fixed CS1 errors: dates to meet MOS:DATEFORMAT", yet I see no change in any date format nor can I see any CS1 errors in the previous revision. Dpmuk (talk) 04:02, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Dpmuk, the error was "Dec.," and "Feb.," There should be no commas or periods after the abbreviated month. Not sure if you have the "show hidden categories" option turned on, but the article was in Category:CS1 errors: dates. Bgwhite (talk) 04:18, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Goingbatty, I had this edit too on my watchlist, and about 50 others. Wanted to say that you are doing an excellent job! OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 04:27, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
Fair enough, I missed that (diffs really need a way of showing small changes more obviously - although I am using old style diffs). But I'm still at a complete loss as to how that sort of edit improves wikipedia (this is not a complaint as obviously other people do as you got the task improved, I personally just don't see how). I also wasn't aware that this error no longer displays the red error (by default - what ever that means). Given the lack of red text I'm even more uncertain as to the benefit. Dpmuk (talk) 04:47, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
@Dpmuk: Remember that every page can be example for other page. In my opinion, there is benefit. User is editing wikipedia per policy and standard, trying to make en.wiki error free. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 04:55, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
@Dpmuk: The goal of the bot is to make the fixes before the big red CS1 errors are visible to the public. While removing excessive punctuation is a minor change, some of the more important changes that the bot performs include changing dates before they becomes ambiguous (e.g. "accessdate=12/01/2014" is obviously 12 January now, but by next year we won't be sure) and converting months from foreign languages into English (e.g. "sierpnia" → "August"). GoingBatty (talk) 16:25, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
I can agree with the other examples you give, but still disagree over the punctuation. Firstly it appears to me that we no longer show red errors for this. While I can see the desirability of removing red errors if we no longer show them that removes the major reason to change it (and it's not like there hasn't been a lot of issues in the past about bots doing minor inconsequential changes...). Secondly even if the red error did still exist it would seem to me to be more a problem with CS1 that needs fixing there rather than changing every occurrence. Punctuation here does not seem unreasonable. And although I agree standards can be good we have to remember this is a user-contributed encyclopedia not a book. I can see new users getting annoyed and possibly leaving if they end up feeling like they should be formatting everything in a very exact format as they may not want to learn all the intricate details of the MOS (which anyway hardly enjoys universal support). Dpmuk (talk) 17:26, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
Date errors are currently hidden. There is current discussion to unhide these error messages at Time to show date error messages? If you want to see all error messages, follow the instructions at Controlling error message display.
—Trappist the monk (talk) 17:34, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
@Dpmuk: I also use the old-style "Display diffs with the old yellow-and-green colors and design", and to make it easier to spot changed spacing and punctuation, I've customised it to exchange the background colours for all the actual changes - the text that comes up in red, plus a few spaces.
/* make it easier to spot spaces added/removed in diffs */
td.diff-deletedline .diffchange { background-color: #cfc; }
td.diff-addedline .diffchange { background-color: #ffa; }
That goes in Special:MyPage/common.css. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:39, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
If editors do not want to learn MOS, the bot is there to clean up after them. No problem. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:59, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Draft:Valentinov, Andrey

Hello, Thank you for your help!

Best regards, Otomie1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Otomie1 (talk • contribs) 17:50, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

@Otomie1: You're welcome! I suggest you move the draft from Draft:Valentinov, Andrey to Draft:Andréy Valentínov, and use {{Infobox writer}} instead of the table. Good luck with the article! GoingBatty (talk) 22:11, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! You are very helpful! This is my first article for Wikipedia. I tried to write it because I like this author from my country (Ukraine) very much, but the article about him in English Wikipedia did not exist. So, this is my small contribution: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andr%C3%A9y_Valent%C3%ADnov


Best, Otomie1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Otomie1 (talk • contribs) 12:03, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Otomie1: Congratulations. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 12:15, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
@Otomie1: I made a few edits to the article for you, and linked it to the similar articles in other Wikipedias. It seems that Andréy Valentínov redirects to Andrey Valentinov - I would have thought it should be the other way around. Good luck with the article! GoingBatty (talk) 15:17, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you a lot! The matter is that I had to rename the article from Andréy Valentínov into Andrey Valentinov to avoid the usage of special characters. In Russian the special characters are needed only for pronunciation that is given in the article. If any people search for some information about him, they would type just Andrey Valentinov. He also cooperates with H.L. Oldie: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._L._Oldie . As far as I can see, the redirection to Russian and Ukrainian versions of Wikipedia was lost in the first line of the article: Andréy Valentínov (Russian: Андрей Валентинов - ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Валентинов,_Андрей, Ukrainian: Валентинов Андрій - uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Валентинов_Андрій). Is it good to give the redirection to the other versions of Wiki or not? May I restore the redirection in some way?

I appreciate your help! 91.124.55.155 (talk) 16:51, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

P.S. Sorry, the latest message was mine. Otomie1 (talk) 16:54, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

BattyBot mangled date range from Winter 2003/04 to Winter 2003–1904

The problem is this edit from 4th May 2014. I assume the intent was to change from Winter 2003/04 to Winter 2003–2004. My main concern is the gross error 2004 vs 1904 but I'm also a little worried about automating this change at all. I can see that changing Winter 2003-04 might be justifiable under WP:DATERANGE but how the bot can know that this is not a fiscal year or other special period escapes me, and I don't see how expanding Winter 2003-04 to Winter 2003-2004 has been justified given that WP:DATERANGE blesses the former. I realise this is from a while ago but I went through the archived talk and saw nothing related, so I'm concerned this incorrect fix may still be in the current bot.TuxLibNit (talk) 21:18, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

@TuxLibNit: Thanks for notifying me of the bad edit. While I had fixed the script to not add the wrong century, I had not found all of the bad edits. In addition, "Winter 2003–04" no longer generates a CS1 error, so I have tweaked the script so it fixes the punctuation without adding the century. I'm searching for more bad edits now and fixing them accordingly. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 22:13, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi

Please take a look at the article Twitterature. It is definitely not a hoax, it even has an article on Swedish Wikipedia which has appeared on the main page. --BabbaQ (talk) 21:52, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

@BabbaQ:  Done Expanding the article and adding more references will help others understand it's not a hoax. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 00:24, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
Thank you again. Not to brag but the Murder of Joanna Yeates article that I created will appear on the TFA section on the main page on 18 September :)--BabbaQ (talk) 22:01, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
@BabbaQ: Congratulations! It seems that your references include lots of publishers that don't need to be listed, per Template:Cite news#Publisher. You might want to do some trimming. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 22:31, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
Thank you! Yes, we are already working on that :) Please take a look at the articles Martina Montelius, Athena Farrokhzad, Victor Hartman, Helena Quiding and Lilla Skuggan when you got time for it. Appreciate it! :)--BabbaQ (talk) 16:52, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
@BabbaQ:  Done - good luck with the articles! GoingBatty (talk) 19:55, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Fruit flies

Bold textItalic textHOW DO I GET RID OF THEM?Italic text I am so angry — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.194.195.76 (talk) 16:37, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

I don't know - bats? It might depend on what type of fruit flies you have, where you live and why you have them. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 00:11, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
Time flies like an arrow.
Fruit flies like a banana. —Noam Chomsky. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:09, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

List of 17th-century Chaconnes

With the current TOC location, screen readers will essentially get a blank page. There can be no content between the TOC and the first headline. Bgwhite (talk) 06:14, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

@Bgwhite: Thanks - the article looks a lot better now than the version before my edits. Since the section headings have been removed, I removed the unnecessary TOC. GoingBatty (talk) 12:16, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
@Bgwhite: Unfortunately, our edits have been reverted. GoingBatty (talk) 13:35, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
I just removed the section headings again because it caused the same problem. Bgwhite (talk) 19:23, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
I just blocked the editor for 3RR. Bgwhite (talk) 20:51, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
@Bgwhite: The editor didn't understand your first post their talk page and asked you to clarify. GoingBatty (talk) 21:10, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Reflinks testing

Hello! Many thanks for your testing of my Reflinks rewrite. I've now added support of expanding uncaptioned or captioned plain links (like [http://example.com] and [http://example.com caption], other stuff, where the program will reuse the old caption by default). Could you test it out? Thanks again! Zhaofeng Li [talk... contribs...] 11:41, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

@Zhaofeng Li: I'll be happy to do more testing, although it may take a few days before I have time to do so. I'll post any issues on your talk page, so everyone interested in your new app can see the progress you're making. Thanks for your continued work on this! GoingBatty (talk) 17:00, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

CS1 date error tool

Do you know of any tools that would find a CS1 date error in an article? Bgwhite (talk) 17:43, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I usually click on an article in the error category and do a Find in my browser for "date=", then edit the article and locate the citation in question using another Find operation. I use this procedure for a variety of CS1 errors (e.g. doing a Find for "ignored" in the unnamed or unsupported parameter category, or "doi="/"pmid="/"pmc=" in the appropriate categories). If you want something more automated, I don't have anything for you. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:17, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
@Bgwhite: Here's what I know:
Hope this helps! GoingBatty (talk) 18:38, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
Thank you both. I already use AWB, WPCleaner and find "date=" in the browser. The updated common.css trick found the problem in the article so I could fix it. Only 50 items in my vector.css. Bgwhite (talk) 20:28, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

JD Edwards

Did that catch your eye?  ;-) Hi GoingBatty, nice to talk with you again. It's time to take the JD Edwards article to GA. My first edit there was June 2007. I turned it from a mess into a readable article, even though I had never edited Wikipedia before then. I've been watching you edit it off and on since a few years after that, as I have. I can't think of a better editor to review my nomination of it for GA. I agree to improve it according to GA criteria and any requests you make of me. What do you think? Cheers. Prhartcom (talk) 00:42, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

@Prhartcom: I'm very flattered by your post, but don't feel comfortable taking on this commitment. If you would like to send me a link to the GA nomination, I'll see how I can help to improve the article. Thanks for thinking of me! GoingBatty (talk) 22:47, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Perhaps it may need a few more references to sources. Prhartcom (talk) 02:51, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

You're right - I added some {{unreferenced section}} templates to the article. GoingBatty (talk) 22:47, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Settman

Please take a look at the article Peter Settman. Thanks!--BabbaQ (talk) 23:34, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

@BabbaQ:  Done! I don't understand why the infobox picture has a caption of "Martin Björk". GoingBatty (talk) 21:37, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Dab and Anthroponymy

As far as I understand all pages of WikiProject Anthroponymy are part of WikiProject Disambig? -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:26, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Victor Hartman

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:19, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

List or article?

Hi. Hope you're well. I've recently updated this constituency article: Lakshadweep (Lok Sabha constituency). I'm unsure whether wikis about parliamentary constituencies count as lists or articles. If it is an article what advice would you give on how best to improve it for GA? Cowlibob (talk) 17:01, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

@Cowlibob: I don't know - you might want to ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Indian politics. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 18:23, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Unnecessary talk page edit on Talk:Loving You (Michael Jackson song)/version 2

Is there a way to prevent BattyBot from making edits such as this one in the future? I see what triggered BattyBot to do the edit (the page is categorized as a disambiguation page), but since the page is in a "Talk" namespace, BattyBot places the {{WikiProject Disambiguation}} template on that page. I'm honestly thinking the better option may be to have BattyBot "uncategorize" talk pages that are categorized as disambiguation pages. Steel1943 (talk) 14:44, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

@Steel1943: Thanks for bringing that to my attention. That's a worthy enough issue to warrant stopping the bot, so posting on the bot's talk page was fine. There aren't that many talk pages miscategorized as disambiguation pages, so I'll go through them all manually before restarting the bot task. Manual edits will be faster than trying to program the bot for every eventuality, such as this edit to fix a template link.
It appears that Talk:Loving You (Michael Jackson song)/version 2 doesn't have a related article page? Should it be moved or deleted? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 15:06, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Per the page's edit history, this page was created as a result of misplaced edit history on the disambiguation page Loving You. (Basically, an editor originally attempted to create Loving You (Michael Jackson song) at Loving You, completely overwriting the disambiguation page). So, the page would need to be kept per WP:A since its history cannot be merged due to parallel edit histories with both previously referenced pages. Steel1943 (talk) 15:15, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
@Steel1943: Thanks for the explanation. I've reverted my bot's incorrect edits, fixed a few pages, and created Template talk:Disambiguation#Edit request - Limit categorization to article space. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 15:50, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
  • I've responded to your edit request with a concern (given that I'm not sure if BattyBot looks for the template or the category prior to tagging the talk page with the project tag, and an editor is bound to use the ambiguous template than a specialized one such as {{Wikipedia disambiguation}}.) Steel1943 (talk) 16:03, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
@Steel1943: Responded there - thanks! I looked at all the pages in Category:All disambiguation pages, and then converted them to talk pages. So you're right, I'm only concerned about the categorization of talk pages. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 16:19, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

MI in sections

I will need a list of pages using multiple issues (old style) in sections. Is there any chance that you can get me one? -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:32, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

Sleeping Dogs FAC

Hey, I was wondering if you were able to provide some feedback at the Sleeping Dogs FAC? It would be hugely appreciated. Thanks! URDNEXT (talk) 17:15, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Checking your recent contributions, I found it at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Sleeping Dogs (video game)/archive1. GoingBatty (talk) 00:45, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
That's it. Sorry for not providing a link previously. URDNEXT (talk) 00:47, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
@URDNEXT: Made copyedits and added comments on the FAC page. Good luck with the article! GoingBatty (talk) 01:55, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, and also thank you for the help! URDNEXT (talk) 01:56, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Kanban Tool

Please take a look at the article Kanban Tool. It's no longer an orphan article. Thank you for your time. GoingBatty (talk) 12:00, 25 September 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by JustynaLaskowska (talk • contribs)

@JustynaLaskowska: Great! That means you can remove the {{orphan}} and {{multiple issues}} templates. Keep up the good work! GoingBatty (talk) 13:20, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Martina Montelius

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:02, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the date format help

Hi GoingBatty,

Thank you very much for the date format correction on the Camille and Kennerly Kitt article, as well as for the link you provided to show where I was mistaken (specifically here). I've been making that mistake on many articles but it's better to stop now than never. What caused me to learn that bad habit was that when I use cite web (for example), if I need to use the date retrieved feature (when the article has no date) it shows the current date in the Day Month Year format. I suppose I should modify that format each time I need to retrieve a date before inserting the reference if American-style dates are being used in an article. Thanks again! Dontreader (talk) 05:44, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

My pleasure - happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 21:11, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Sleeping Dogis FAC

Have you seen the progress we have made in the article since you left your last comment? A lot of the prose has been improved. URDNEXT (talk) 21:18, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Replied on the FAC page - thanks for dropping me a note. GoingBatty (talk) 00:08, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

ICYMI: I left another message for you at the FAC. URDNEXT (talk) 02:01, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Got it - thanks! (That's a new acronym for me.) GoingBatty (talk) 02:32, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
ICYMI? URDNEXT (talk) 02:33, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
Yes. GoingBatty (talk) 02:40, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
Oh, I only learned the term less than a year ago. URDNEXT (talk) 02:52, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Copyeditor's Barnstar
Thanks for your help on the Sleeping Dogs FAC! URDNEXT (talk) 02:53, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Date fixes for BattyBot task 25

I was looking for date templates and found these bot-fixable date errors:

Enjoy! – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:45, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

@Jonesey95: As always, thanks for another list. I didn't do #3 by bot since it would require way too many combinations. Similarly, "a set of regexes that look for any letter inserted into an otherwise correctly spelled month" sounds like an enormous list. Is there a proper way to use "c." with full dates or mmmm yyyy? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 02:30, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for adding those. Re an enormous list of months: Yes, probably. I am not as clever with regexes as some, though, so I didn't know if there was a way to create this sort of fuzzy search easily. All I can think of is a list like this for each month:
  • J.+anuary
  • Ja.+nuary
  • Jan.+uary
  • Janu.+ary
  • Janua.+ry
  • Januar.+y
  • January.+
Or maybe replace ".+" with [a-z]+ if you are worried about false positives. By my count, it would be 74 expressions if you did all of the months. You might be able to get away with just 74 expressions if you checked for "date=" and then looked for the misspelled month before reaching a pipe, ignoring the particular format of the date (e.g. dmy, my, mdy, and ranges). If the date is still malformed after that pass, one of the existing checks might catch it on a second pass.
"c." is valid only with a single year value at this time. See Help:Citation_Style_1#Dates. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:33, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

User:BattyBot notice on Billboard K-Town being an orphan and links added

I have added 5 links from other articles KCON (music festival), Infinite (band), Blue Moon World Tour, Damaged Lady, and Full Bloom (Kara album). The Find Link tool at the top helpfully provided 2! I will add more but do not want to appear to be spamming. Thank you, is it possible to remove the orphan notice at the top of Billboard K-Town now? Thanks --Bonnielou2013 (talk) 12:15, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

@Bonnielou2013: Yes, now that you have added links from other articles, please feel free to remove the {{orphan}} template yourself. Thanks, and keep up the good work! GoingBatty (talk) 13:10, 28 September 2014 (UTC) Thanks for your help - I totally forgot to do the links after creating the page! I envy your name! and Batty Bot's, too! Thanks again.--Bonnielou2013 (talk) 17:10, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

AN

Information icon This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.

Totally forgot to notify you, since you were notified by Bgwhite during the removal of the access. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 18:12, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the notification - I replied there. GoingBatty (talk) 20:11, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

China 2 Gold Medal?

China at the 2014 Asian Games, what i sthis?--Obaid Raza (talk) 15:57, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

@Obaid Raza: It appears to be an article about China's participation and performance at the 2014 Asian Games, which is part of a series of articles in Category:China at the Asian Games and Category:Nations at the 2014 Asian Games. I'm not sure what you're asking - could you please restate the question? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 19:56, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Articles

Pleaset take a look at Elsa-Marianne von Rosen, Anna Odell, Murder of Catrine da Costa and Makode Linde. Much appreciated.--BabbaQ (talk) 17:24, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

@BabbaQ:  Done Note that when you use the new Reflinks, you usually have to populate the |publisher= (or |work=) parameter yourself. I've left this for you, as you're probably better at identifying which parameter is better to use for each reference. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 17:48, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the advice! Could you please take a look at John Alvin Anderson. Thanks.--BabbaQ (talk) 21:41, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
@BabbaQ:  Done! GoingBatty (talk) 01:54, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Special Barnstar
Thank you for your help in my Bot's approval process. Although it was a failure, but I learned the process.

I award you this barnstar for being so kind towards others and for your extraordinary patience. You are really a precious diamond for the project. Thank you again. Jim Carter 11:40, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

@Jim Cartar: Thank you very much for the kind words. AWB is a great piece of software, and Magioladitis is a wonderful resource. Unfortunately, the software isn't perfect. I'm sorry that your bot request was not successful, but please don't consider it a failure, as you helped to identify some issues that have now been fixed. Keep working with it, and maybe you'll be able to find a smaller bit of work that you could do with a bot. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 02:09, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Denny Miller

He also played John Toby in a episode of the incredible hulk. Episode Killer Instinct — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:371B:B110:2CDA:D94D:C220:C61D (talk) 06:40, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

At first I thought you were referring to Dennis Miller, since I made some edits to that article recently, and had visions of Dennis ranting with Bruce Banner until Bruce got angry....but then realized there's an actor named Denny Miller, and my bot cleaned up some dates in the article recently. IMDB shows lot of credits for Denny - is it necessary to list each episode? If not, since the Hollywood Reporter article doesn't think the Incredible Hulk episodes were notable enough to mention, I wouldn't add them to the Wikipedia article either. You might want to post at Talk:Denny Miller if you'd like to suggest improvements to the article. Hope this helps! GoingBatty (talk) 21:23, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Anna Odell

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:03, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Athena Farrokhzad

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:03, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

BattyBot on INFORSE-Europe

Dear Batty,

BattyBot left a broken template {{Cleanup-spam should be rewritten to readable prose, removing bullets and self-references. This article|date=August 2014}} in the header of this spammy article. This was a mistake? I have been so bold as to undo BattyBot's edit. Hope you agree, cheers, Hansmuller (talk) 13:49, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

@Hansmuller: Thanks for reverting the bad edit and for letting me know. I've opened a new AWB bug report for this issue. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 14:42, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Could you please fix what looks to me like a formatting error?

Hi GoingBatty,

I went to this article and I spotted something in the template on the right. In the Texts section, I noticed "padding-top:0.2em" above "Targum". It looks like a code error to me. I then found this source page, and I tried to fix the problem, but of course I failed dismally. I figured that since you created the famous BattyBot, you should be able to handle the situation. Then again, I am wrong most of the time with my assessments. Please ping me when you reply. Many thanks in advance! Dontreader (talk) 00:32, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Someone appears to have tried to put some CSS styling in that section. I could not get it to work with the template, so I removed it. Now that section looks like the other sections, which makes things look consistent to me, though the content of the template is not something I am familiar with. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:02, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
Awesome, Jonesey95! That certainly looks much better. I actually modified the code substantially, but when I clicked on preview it all looked just the same, so I cancelled my edit. That code really looks Greek to me, so thanks for fixing it! Dontreader (talk) 01:17, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
The code in error was {{startflatlist|padding-top:0.2em}} but that template doesn't expect CSS styling in its first positional parameter - it expects a bulleted list. It does recognise a |style= parameter though, so you could have altered it to {{startflatlist|style=padding-top:0.2em}} --Redrose64 (talk) 09:29, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
I tried that, but it didn't work for me in Preview or in the sandbox. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:31, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
Your code in Template:Jews and Judaism sidebar/sandbox is correct, but if you were testing by just looking at the sandbox, you need to be aware that the <includeonly>...</includeonly> hide the sidebar. The sidebar that is visible is actually inside the documentation, so it's really the live template, so it won't change. You neeed to transclude it somewhere else to test properly, so per WP:TESTCASES I've created Template:Jews and Judaism sidebar/testcases where you can directly compare the live template with the sandbox. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:15, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

BattyBot and WP:NJournals

Hey there. It was pointed out to me that some months ago your BattyBot changed a {{notability}} maintenance tag to add an "Academic journals" parameter. (This is the diff in question.) I think this is incorrect behaviour, because the WP:NJournals page referenced by that template is an essay, not a notability guideline. In case BattyBot is still configured to make such changes, could you please fix this? —Psychonaut (talk) 11:39, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

@Psychonaut: At the time my bot made its edits, it did so based on the values in the {{notability}} template. Now that the "Academic journals" parameter has been removed, I can update the bot so it no longer adds that parameter. I can also do a special run to replace "Academic journals" with "Products". Thanks for the heads up! GoingBatty (talk) 14:22, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Twitterature

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:04, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi

Please take a look at Långholmens spinnhus. Thanks!--BabbaQ (talk) 11:07, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

@BabbaQ:  Done! You may want to define each unlinked Swedish word (e.g. riddarhuset, fyrkanet and Underofficershuset). Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 01:34, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

MASSIVE thank you, but more help needed

Hi Battybot. Thank you for editing my article on Ian Cohen (media) But I still need some assistance to get it right, have disambiguation with the politician of the same name and ensure it is not deleted. Are you able to help out. You have been a lifesaver so far, along with your Bot!!! bdchill THANK YOU THANK YOU — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bdchill (talk • contribs) 04:40, October 15, 2014 (UTC)

@Bdchill: I've cleaned up the article a bit for you. The comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ian Cohen (media) indicate that you should find additional independent reliable sources about Cohen to add to the article. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 05:28, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

hi again! I have third party references

Hi GoingBatty

There are plenty of third party references for him, (more than some articles I see published on wiki) but I feel I must still be doing something wrong.

I have been criticised for 'in line' quotes, but I thought that was what was needed, not just references to events or stations and media outlets, but articles where Cohen is very deliberately quoted and cited independently.

any help much appreciated (Bdchill (talk) 09:37, 15 October 2014 (UTC))

Bdchill — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bdchill (talk • contribs) 09:35, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

@Bdchill: Wikipedia:Notability (people) states "A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject." Most of the references in the Ian Cohen (media) are from Cohen's employers or are works by Cohen. Can you add more references of articles ABOUT Cohen, like the Dennehy reference?
Where were you criticised for in line quotes? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 16:32, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Use the bus stub instead of removing bus transport stub for Isuzu Journey

I have a question in regarding to Isuzu Journey article. I noticed that you have removed the bus transport stub, can I add the bus stub for the make/model article expansion request instead? Rjluna2 (talk) 23:40, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

@Rjluna2: I'm sorry - I don't understand your question. Could you please restate your suggestion? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 01:18, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
Check at the history tab at the Isuzu Journey article that I have added the bus transport stub (Line 97) which was removed during your editing. See this history thread at the said article. However, I wish to have this bus stub information to expand on the description of this article. Rjluna2 (talk) 23:13, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
@Rjluna2: Thanks for your explanation. You can add the stub tab back to the article, but the next person/bot using AutoWikiBrowser on the article will probably remove it again. AWB's general fixes includes functionality which "Removes {{stub}} if article has more than 500 words (comments, categories and persondata are excluded from word count). Words in bulleted text are divided by 2 to avoid destubbing pages with big lists and little text." Due to the length of this article, you may want to add {{expand section}} instead. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 01:56, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for the additional information. Sounds more complicated than I lead to believe. I guess I need to work on which section that needs to expand. Rjluna2 (talk) 00:53, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

We are learning

Hi, if you are editing the Template:Convert... pages, I ask you to please stop. Of course its from a good intention, but we over at Template talk:Convert are doing this to get an overview & information from these uses ("Is this a thing that is not covered by the Lua template?" etc.). -DePiep (talk) 22:54, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Replied at Wikipedia:Bot requests/Archive 62#Subtemplates used in mainspace - apologies if I interrupted your learnings. GoingBatty (talk) 01:45, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

BattyBot at Malcolm X

Hello. BattyBot doesn't like the dates in the citation templates at Malcolm X. See this and this. What's the problem? — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 04:44, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

@Malik Shabazz: If you look at Malcolm X#References, you'll see it's now flooded with Check date value errors. My bot was trying to fix the article before those errors were visible to everyone. Clicking on the "help" link next to each error (or the link in my bot's edit summary) takes you to Help:CS1 errors#bad date, which says in part "Do not use &ndash;, &nbsp;, or {{spaced ndash}}." Hope this helps! GoingBatty (talk) 05:27, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
It helps, but I don't understand why &nbsp; is forbidden. It looks sloppy when the month is on one line and the day on the next. (Also, the error messages are new. They weren't there last week.) — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 02:57, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
Another thing. This version of the article, which was "fixed" by BattyBot, has just as many Check date value errors. So it seems like I'm damned if I use &nbsp; and damned if I let the bot fix the "problem". — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 03:04, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
@Malik Shabazz: It's not true that the version BattyBot fixed has "just as many" errors as the previous version - please go back and count. The issue is that BattyBot isn't fixing the citation templates that contain {{nbsp}} in the title parameter. The documentation at Template:nbsp states that {{nbsp}} "should not be used in citation templates such as Citation Style 1 and Citation Style 2, because it includes markup that will pollute the COinS metadata they produce. That's the same reason we're removing &nbsp; from the date fields. The error has been around for about a year, but was only made visible to everyone a few days ago.
@Trappist the monk: Could you please update Help:CS1 errors#bad date so it specifically states why &nbsp; is not appropriate in citations? It would be great to have a clear statement and example of the COinS issues somewhere to present to people. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 03:50, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
I've removed {{nbsp}} whenever it occurred in a citation template. We'll see what happens to the error messages the next time the bot runs. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 04:42, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
@Malik Shabazz: I sent BattyBot to Malcolm X again, and now all the CS1 date errors have been fixed. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 20:30, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 02:15, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Lia Olguța Vasilescu

Hello. Your edits to the article Lia Olguța Vasilescu look good; but before you put more effort into this article, note that your good work might all be undone. Please see this at WP:AN. Thanks. -- Hoary (talk) 01:34, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

@Hoary: Thanks for the heads up. I was done with my minor tweaks and had moved on. I saw the initial post on WP:AN, but made my edits before your detailed reply. Thanks again! GoingBatty (talk) 01:39, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
I'm glad if I helped. Incidentally, I'm about to turn off this computer and exercise the (WP-unrelated) skills that pay the bills. -- Hoary (talk) 01:44, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
@Hoary: Poetry slam? :-) GoingBatty (talk) 01:45, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
Heh heh -- no poetry, and only very occasionally as combative as this. -- Hoary (talk) 04:19, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Revision Delete

Upon the request of the person on whom this page here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arvind_Iyer is based on, Might it be possible for an admin ( who has the privilege) to delete the Log or Remove it from Public view via Revision Delete ? The latest edit 15,October 2014 by BattyBot which is the current Live version is the perfect one.Thank You Admin+GoingBatty.Warm Regards,(Suntug11 (talk) 13:15, 21 October 2014 (UTC)).

@Suntug11: I think you're asking about the revision deletion process. Since I'm not an admin, I suggest you read the sections for the criteria for redaction and how to request revision deletion. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 14:34, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks much

Thank you, for your bot's helpful contributions to my current Quality improvement project, European Sleep Apnea Database.

Much appreciated,

— Cirt (talk) 12:14, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

My pleasure! I made some minor manual updates too. Good luck with the article! GoingBatty (talk) 13:50, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. I did a bit of work on it, but unfortunately consensus doesn't look the best at the moment. Well, in the process of additional research, so we'll see if I can find out about other source coverage. :( — Cirt (talk) 16:26, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Advice on how to respond to this user

Hi. Hope you're well. I recently reverted via STiki a user (Cicci2)who made this vandal like edit [[7]]. They then "thanked me for the edit" and posted this disturbing message [[8]] on my talk page which I have since reverted. Anything else I should do? Cowlibob (talk) 16:42, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

@Cowlibob: Since you did the right thing and the vandal only made the two edits you mentioned, I suggest no further action per WP:Deny recognition. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 20:21, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

DYK for John Alvin Anderson

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:02, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Halloween cheer!

Happy Halloween!

Hello GoingBatty:
Thanks for all of your contributions to improve Wikipedia, and have a happy and enjoyable Halloween!
    – Jim Carter 13:43, 27 October 2014 (UTC)



Send Halloween cheer by adding {{subst:Happy Halloween}} to user talk pages with a friendly message.
Thanks - you too! GoingBatty (talk) 14:09, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Halloween cheer!

Happy Halloween!

Hello GoingBatty:
Thanks for all of your contributions to improve Wikipedia, and have a happy and enjoyable Halloween!
    – –Davey2010 • (talk) 17:02, 27 October 2014 (UTC)



Send Halloween cheer by adding {{subst:Happy Halloween}} to user talk pages with a friendly message.
Thanks - same to you! GoingBatty (talk) 18:31, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
You're welcome and thanks :) –Davey2010 • (talk) 20:04, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Makode Linde

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:04, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Here's a barnstar for you!

The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
For all the fabulous advice and kindness clearing up my confusions on a pretty complex (for me) issue of categories! Anasuyas (talk) 20:53, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
Thank you - it was my pleasure! GoingBatty (talk) 20:59, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Categories on the Gaiti Hasan article

Hi GoingBatty, thanks very much for both your suggestions for and revisions to the Gaiti Hasan article. However, here's another issue of confusion: when you use the Category:Women Molecular Biologists it does not show up on the main Category:Molecular Biologists page. This ends up with an (unintentional) systemic bias where we categorise by gender, but primarily for women (since there's no corresponding Category:Men Molecular Biologists) and the sub-category does not show up (I'm not sure it's a lag in process or something else) in the main category. This is quite a significant issue, because of course it then means that women scientists lose visibility on main categories. I certainly don't want this to go the same way as the Amanda Filipacchi controversy about women authors. :-) This is why I added back the original Category:Molecular Biologists. Let me know what you think? Anasuyas (talk) 22:27, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

@Anasuyas: Wikipedia:Categorization#Categorizing pages states "if a page belongs to a subcategory of C (or a subcategory of a subcategory of C, and so on) then it is not normally placed directly into C." However, it seems you are interested in the exception listed at Wikipedia:Categorization#Non-diffusing subcategories. Therefore, I added {{All included}} to Category:Molecular biologists and {{Non-diffusing subcategory}} to Category:Women molecular biologists, so everyone understands your preferences. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 23:01, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
@Anasuyas: I also made sure that all the women in Category:Molecular biologists were also added to Category:Women molecular biologists and vice versa. GoingBatty (talk) 23:33, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
GoingBatty, this makes so much sense: thank you! Clearly folks would be much better off if they understood the intricacies of categories better. :-) However, Gaiti Hasan still doesn't show up in the main category, while other women listed in the sub-category do (does it take time for the integration to show?). Looking across a few women who are now in both categories, I find they're categorised both with Category:Molecular biologists asnd with Category:Women molecular biologists. Do I need to do the same for Hasan? Much appreciation for all your wisdom and advice, you've spent so much time helping me understand this. Anasuyas (talk) 20:52, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
@Anasuyas: Facepalm Facepalm. Sorry - I fixed the entire category except the one article you mentioned. I've readded Category:Molecular biologists to the Gaiti Hasan article. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 21:01, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
:-) Glad we sorted that out. Now to look across other categories and see if this is a similar problem; it might well be. Thanks again! Anasuyas (talk) 22:56, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Långholmens spinnhus

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:04, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Peter Settman

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:02, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Date fixes for BattyBot task 25

I came across this one:

I don't know if it's widespread. I can't tell from the code whether BattyBot removes "Winter 1985 issue" as well (it looks like it might). – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:22, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

@Jonesey95: The code already fixes "Winter 1985 issue", and now it fixes "Winter issue 1985" too. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 23:37, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Single purpose user

Hi. Hope you're well. I've come across this user: Bnomedia2014. If you look at their contributions,[[9]] you'll see that their edits are almost always inserting a link to the enewsinsight website as an attempt to promote their site. Which would be the best venue to report this user? Cowlibob (talk) 20:55, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

@Cowlibob: I think there are two issues here:
  1. You perceive the user is inserting the links to promote their site.
  2. The user is not adding the links in the proper format.
You might want to start by adding a post on the user's talk page with links to Wikipedia:External links and Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide. If the user continues with poor edits, you might want to post to Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 22:29, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, that sounds more reasonable. Have done the above. Hope it works. Cowlibob (talk) 20:34, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Hanna Stjärne

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:03, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

Hanna Stjärne

Please take a look at the article Hanna Stjärne. I have a DYK nom for this article at the moment. And a reviewer requested that the article needed a copyedit and a check-through for english grammar. Thanks.--BabbaQ (talk) 00:25, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

@BabbaQ:  Done - You might want to add links from other Wikipedia articles to Hanna Stjärne. Good luck with the DYK! GoingBatty (talk) 02:54, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
Yes, I did that just now. Thank you for your assistance. If you feel like it,please take a look at my other articles Von Sydow murders and Långholmens spinnhus They are both for DYK. Thanks.--BabbaQ (talk) 15:00, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
@BabbaQ:  Done for both. Note that I've left some maintenance templates on each article to highlight where I had concerns. GoingBatty (talk) 18:26, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
Just changed some categories you added from "Swiss ..." to "Swedish ..." – not the same country. ;-) HandsomeFella (talk) 10:22, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
@HandsomeFella: Handsome and detail oriented - nice combination!  :-) Thanks for fixing my silly mistake and for letting me know. I used the Edit summary search tool to look for other articles where I added Swiss categories, and didn't see any other mistakes. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 14:31, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

BattyBot problems

In this edit, the bot changes "date=undated" to "date=n.d.". The latter is clearly contrary to the guidelines, but the former isn't helpful. Any idea as to what is happening? — Arthur Rubin (talk) 10:52, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Can you explain what what you mean by contrary to the guidelines? Which guidelines? Where? At {{cite web}} is this (at §Date):
For approximate year, precede with "c. ", like this: |date=c. 1900; for no date, add as |date=n.d.
—Trappist the monk (talk) 12:02, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
@Arthur Rubin: Also, reverting the bot's edit also readded the automatic Check date values in: |date= errors in the reference section. GoingBatty (talk) 19:08, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
@Arthur Rubin: As an aside, you may want to clean up the article so that all the dates are in the same format per MOS:DATEUNIFY. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 19:11, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Hi

Please take a look at Pettakere cave. The article could need some copyediting. Thanks.--BabbaQ (talk) 11:44, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

@BabbaQ:  Done GoingBatty (talk) 14:07, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Von Sydow murders

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:38, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

New article creation HELP

Batty,This is a sandbox article I just created https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Suntug11/sandbox .Can you help me review it to see if it qualifies to be an article,and also request to help with the edit.Thanks (Suntug11 (talk) 14:33, 25 November 2014 (UTC)).

@Suntug11: I did a lot of copyediting on your sandbox article for you. I suggest you read Wikipedia:Notability (people) and add more independent reliable sources that discuss Balachandran, especially in those sections of your sandbox article that are unreferenced. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 15:43, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Will work on it.A Million Thanks (Suntug11 (talk) 15:50, 25 November 2014 (UTC))

Hi!

Sorry, but I was being BOLD at the List of violent incidents in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, 2014 and trying to reformat something and I ended up having to revert to the last stable edit which meant undoing your edit (see [10]). Yours, Quis separabit? 03:39, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

@Rms125a@hotmail.com: No worries - let me know when you're done and I'll redo my edits. GoingBatty (talk) 03:40, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
Done. Thanks. Quis separabit? 03:41, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
@Rms125a@hotmail.com:  Done - Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 03:45, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Sunbeam Rapier

Thanks for the (bot) edit on the Rapier page... (rm multiple issues template). Been trying to improve the page!! Eagleash (talk) 07:26, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

@Eagleash: I'm happy to have my bot get rid of maintenance templates that no longer apply. I've made some manual updates to the article as well. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:31, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
I spotted that. (Annoys me that I didn't notice some of those myself!! Haha) Thanks. Regards.Eagleash (talk) 14:34, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Help in fixing a mistake on article name change

Hi. Hope you're well. I recently changed the name of the article Ch Malla Reddy to C. H. Malla Reddy thinking they were initials but the Ch is actually more like a title so I would like to change to it to just "Malla Reddy" but am unable to. Article is itself almost completely a copyvio of the politician's webpage and I'm unsure whether to delete all the copyvio stuff or to just reword some elements of it as it's likely to be unreliable as it's primary + politician's webpage. Cowlibob (talk) 17:56, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

@Cowlibob: I suggest you see Wikipedia:Requested moves#Requesting technical moves. Before putting in a lot of time on the article, you might want to see if there are enough independent reliable sources to meet Wikipedia's notability requirements. Good luck, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 18:12, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. I have put in a request. Article person is intrinsically notable as he meets NPOL as a sitting member of parliament. Now to search for reliable sources... Cowlibob (talk) 20:06, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Disambiguation needed on Draft:I am a Man (talk show)

Hi GoingBatty, thanks for adding (Disambiguation needed) on Draft:I am a Man (talk show). I didn't realize that I make some mistake on my guest/performer. Now I already fixed it.

Once again, thanks for telling me.

Cheers.Kingsho (talk) 11:58, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

@Kingsho: I made some more minor edits to the article. I suggest that you change the dates so they are all in the same format (either month day year or day month year) per MOS:DATEUNIFY and unlink the dates per MOS:UNLINKDATES. If you would like to tell me which date format you prefer, I'll be happy to do this for you. Thanks and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:41, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
@GoingBatty: I prefer (month day year). I'll recheck it and fix it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kingsho (talk • contribs) 04:23, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Pettakere cave

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:03, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Odd BattyBot edit

In [11], why did it screw up the anchor in the link and decapitalize the month name? Anomie⚔ 02:56, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

@Anomie: Very strange - looks like it was because of the incorrect placement of the reference inside the {{citation needed}} template, which you removed. Once I ran the bot again, it made the proper date correction. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 03:03, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your BattyBot edit and requesting a similar operation

Hi GoingBatty,

Thanks for a recent edit that your famous bot performed on the Mandy Moore article. It detected in the journal parameter that my link to Billboard should have been Billboard (magazine). This made me realize that I had made the same mistake multiple times in the website parameter, and although I think I fixed the problems, as you can see here, it was a pain, so I wonder if BattyBot could also fix improper linking for the website field in the future. Many thanks no matter what your reply might be because your edit helped me detect a mistake that was going to continue to happen on that article and others! All the best, Dontreader (talk) 21:18, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

@Dontreader: Excellent suggestion! I wrote the bot rules before |website= existed, so now I've added it. Looks like you fixed all the Billboard links in Mandy Moore, but I'll give it a good read. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 22:15, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
BattyBot is already able to perform the website parameter task? That's awesome news! Thanks so much, and thanks for checking the Mandy Moore article. I hope to help it reach Good Article status someday! All the best, Dontreader (talk) 01:33, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
@Dontreader: Yes, this edit is an example of BattyBot fixing the link in the |website= parameter. Thanks again for the suggestion! GoingBatty (talk) 01:37, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
Amazing! Someone give that bot a medal! :) I remember providing that source, which was a good thing, but obviously I messed up when I linked Billboard on that article, too. Backstreet Boys... LOL What's wrong with me?! Anyway, I'll be careful now but it's great to know that BattyBot will help when I'm editing in sleep-deprived mode! Thanks again! Dontreader (talk) 03:07, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
@Dontreader: No worries - using Billboard instead of Billboard (magazine) is a common mistake. The bot just fixes references - I manually run through Special:WhatLinksHere/Billboard once in a while to fix the rest. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 03:10, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Wikimedia genealogy project

Just wondering if you have any thoughts re: the idea of WMF hosting a genealogy project. If so, feel free to contribute to this discussion. And apologies if I have made this request before. ---Another Believer (Talk) 16:51, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

This kitten does the Fandango and appreciates all the work you put in there to improve the article.

78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 15:56, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

@78.26: Purrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr - thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 17:51, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Question regarding website versus publisher for web citation

Hi GoingBatty,

Thank you very much for improving the Mandy Moore article! I have been studying some of your edits, to learn more, which I have done, but I'm now confused regarding the use of website and publisher when choosing the cite web tool, especially since I thought I had become good at that. For example, in these edits I see that you changed Metacritic from website to publisher, and also with MTV. I don't understand because although Wikipedia is not 100% clear in this sense, I checked Template:Cite_web#Publisher, which reads:

  • publisher: Name of publisher; may be wikilinked if relevant. The publisher is the company that publishes the work being cited. Do not use the publisher parameter for the name of a work (e.g. a book, encyclopedia, newspaper, magazine, journal, website). Not normally used for periodicals. Corporate designations such as "Ltd", "Inc" or "GmbH" are not usually included. Omit where the publisher's name is substantially the same as the name of the work (for example, The New York Times Co. publishes The New York Times newspaper, so there is no reason to name the publisher).

Also, from the same page, it's clear that work and website are the same parameter in web citation cases:

  • website: Title of website; may be wikilinked. Displays in italics. Aliases: work

So, for example, from this Metacritic article, I had supposed that Metacritic was the website. Also, at the bottom of that page, we see CBS Interactive Inc.. In that article, we read that CBS Interactive is a company that seems to own the Metacritic website. This indicates to me that Metacritic should be the website, and CBS Interactive appears to be the publisher (or just CBS). Likewise, Metacritic states in the infobox that it is owned by CBS Interactive. To me, the publisher is usually tricky to get right, so I typically leave that field blank unless I'm sure.

And with MTV, I also think it's the website. For example, this article. Again, I always leave the publisher field blank with MTV, but ironically I found potential publisher information from your own edits on the Mandy Moore article for both Metacritic and MTV. In the case of MTV, we see Viacom at the bottom of that page (and somewhere in at least one of your edits), so I checked Viacom, and it's a company that does seem to own MTV: "A new company, the present Viacom, was created and was headed by Freston. It comprises BET Networks, MTV Networks, and Paramount Pictures Corporation."

The opposite operation (looking up MTV), shows in the infobox that it is owned by Viacom Media Networks (Viacom). So again, I get the impression that the website is MTV and the publisher is Viacom. As I said, I think you did that but I'm too tired right now to scan through your edits to corroborate that. Could it be that the automated part of your edits made mistakes in that sense (some of your edits were manual, and some used some sort of software). Many thanks in advance for your help. I just don't want to mess up articles more than I have already! Dontreader (talk) 03:33, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

@Dontreader: I frequently use User:Ohconfucius/script/Sources to clean up references, which has some good documentation on its general principles. Note that Wikipedia's articles on Metacritic and MTV don't italicize "Metacritic" and "MTV", so I believe that the references shouldn't italicize them either. Before my edits, the Mandy Moore article had some with italics and some without. Therefore, I support moving "Metacritic" and "MTV" from |website= to |publisher= so all of them are unitalicized. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 03:52, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
Many thanks for that very detailed page! I will study it more carefully tomorrow. Yes, I see your point. I just don't know if the website parameter italicizes websites as a way to make the reader understand that it's something that should be italicized according to the rules, or just coincidence. I will pray to the Wikipedia gods and see if I get an answer! :) Thanks again... Dontreader (talk) 04:15, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
Hi again, GoingBatty. I'm kind of going crazy with the website versus publisher issue. Here's one source that I'm pasting from the Lady Gaga article, which is a Good Article: <ref>{{cite web|title=ARTPOP Reviews|url=http://www.metacritic.com/music/artpop/lady-gaga|publisher=[[Metacritic]]. [[CBS Interactive]]|accessdate=November 30, 2013}}</ref>. I really think that it sort of looks like overkill to avoid italicization. Metacritic was chosen as the publisher, to avoid italicization, so then CBS Interactive (the true publisher) was added in the same field. I don't see how that can be right. I do understand the rules for when to italicize something in an article, but are you entirely sure that the same rules apply for the references? For example, I see no technical difference (in terms of source formatting) between Sports Illustrated (SI.com) and MTV (MTV.com). To me they both look like websites: Sports Illustrated and MTV, and I think they should be treated as such per what I quoted above, or at least I can't see what's wrong with doing that, yet that would italicize them, making one of them match the general rules for italicization (Sports Illustrated) whereas the other one would not match, even though I see no difference in the formatting criteria. Please, could it be that whoever decided to make the website field spew out italic letters had no intention of making this correspond with rules for italics in the bodies of articles? That might be the case, in my opinion, or else we sacrifice consistency being used in the criteria for the website parameter. Many thanks in advance for your patience and kindness. Dontreader (talk) 06:54, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
@Dontreader: I would italicize Sports Illustrated (because I think of it as a magazine) and not italicize MTV (because I think of it as a television network. However, when referencing content that is unique to their websites, I can see how they should have the same format. There are those Wikipedia editors who will italicize the websites, and those who do not. If you were to discuss the topic on Help talk:Citation style 1, you would get differing opinions on the the best way to use {{cite web}}. The most important thing is that all of the references in a single Wikipedia article are consistent. If there is consensus that the Mandy Moore article should have a different format than what I used, I will be happy to make whatever changes are necessary. Thanks, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 18:01, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
Many thanks, GoingBatty, for your kind message. Based on your experience, I think it's clear that there's insufficient information available to editors regarding how to use the cite web tool, and for that matter, cite news, cite journal, etc. For example, last night I saw that someone had used cite journal for an online article of Entertainment Weekly. I decided to treat it as a website, so I used cite web instead because the article was found on the magazine's website (or at least because that is what was used). I don't know if that article was in the actual physical magazine or not. Anyway, I think the problem is that the pertinent guides, such as Template:Cite web and the related articles, are confusing and incomplete, and they leave too much room for overlapping. Not that I could do any better (this issue is very complicated) but perhaps you could improve those articles if you find some time. The cite web template article uses url=http://www.example.org/ and website=Encyclopedia of Things as an example, but in my opinion that does not clarify much, and perhaps more practical (or "real") examples are needed. In the meantime, I deeply appreciate your very generous offer to make changes on the Mandy Moore article if consensus changes. So far, it seems as if practically nobody else is there, but if anything happens I'll let you know. I will use my preferred style as I continue, but of course leaving your edits intact. The date format is also a potential issue for consistency, as you know (I prefer month/day,/year), but hopefully no one will care if I continue to make the switch from year/month/day. I know I should do what has already been done, but there were already some refs that used my preferred method before I started. Hopefully you have a program to eventually fix website/publisher issues for consistency in the future before I nominate the article for GA. It could take me several months before I get to that point, but I will certainly keep you informed. Once again, thank you very much! Dontreader (talk) 19:50, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
@Dontreader: I would have left it as cite journal. The documentation of {{cite web}} says that it "is used to create citations for web sources that are not characterized by another CS1 template", which to me means that it's a fallback when nothing else fits. Most (if not all) of the CS1 templates recognise |url= and |accessdate=, even if their documentation doesn't make that clear. Entertainment Weekly is a magazine, and so I would use {{cite magazine}} - this redirects to {{cite journal}} so that is also suitable. If you like, you can also set |magazine=Entertainment Weekly instead of |journal=Entertainment Weekly, |work=Entertainment Weekly or |website=Entertainment Weekly - these four are aliases of each other. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:49, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
@Redrose64:, thank you very much for that information. I find it highly interesting that cite magazine actually works. What you wrote makes perfect sense and I will correct my mistake in a few moments. Obviously I cannot correct all of my edits since I've been relying on cite web for almost everything since I joined Wikipedia, even though I had recently decided to use cite news for online newspaper articles. This is what dissuaded me from using the cite journal template for the online Entertainment Weekly article:
Template:Cite journal has the following examples, in this order (excluding the previous ones, which do not apply to this case):
To cite a magazine article with a credited author
To cite a magazine article with no credited author
To cite an online magazine article that has been archived
If I had seen To cite an online magazine article with a credited author and To cite an online magazine article with no credited author then I would have made a different decision, but since they are not there, I opted for cite web. Do you see my point? Do you think other editors might benefit from seeing directives for those two cases? Anyway, many thanks again for your kind explanation, as I really appreciate learning and becoming a better contributor! All the best, Dontreader (talk) 03:31, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Thanx for amending my typo:)

Norahstraycat (talk) 11:48, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

@Norahstraycat: Dou itashi mashite! GoingBatty (talk) 15:52, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Rabi cycle

So, I give the necessary linksMd.S.R.Laskar (talk) 14:17, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

@Md.S.R.Laskar: Thank you for correcting the links in the Rabi cycle article. I'm making some additional minor fixes to the article. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 23:22, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Autopatrolled flag

Hi GoingBatty, I just wanted to let you know that I have added the autopatrolled right to your account, as you have created numerous, valid articles. This feature will have no effect on your editing, and is simply intended to reduce the workload on new page patrollers. For more information on the patroller right, see Wikipedia:Autopatrolled. Feel free to leave me a message if you have any questions. Happy editing! — xaosflux Talk 02:13, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

@Xaosflux: Thank you for the early Christmas present, and enjoy the holidays! GoingBatty (talk) 02:35, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Category:Articles containing video clips

Category:Articles containing video clips, which you contributed to, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. — xaosflux Talk 04:12, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject template redirects

After Scott went inactive, do you have any idea how I would get an updated list of User:Scott/WikiProject template redirects? I did a lot of work in reducing redirects and normalising stuff. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:26, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

@Magioladitis: I suggest you ask at WP:VPT. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 14:08, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Seasonal Greets!

Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2015!!!

Hello GoingBatty, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you a heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2015.
Happy editing,
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@Josve05a: Thanks, and the same to you! GoingBatty (talk) 17:59, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

Merry Christmas!!
Hello, I wish you and your family a Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year,

Thanks for all your help on the 'pedia!
   –Davey2010 Merry Xmas / Happy New Year 19:17, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

@Davey2010: Thanks - same to you and yours! GoingBatty (talk) 19:21, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
You're welcome and thanks :) –Davey2010 Merry Xmas / Happy New Year 19:22, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you.

Many thanks for your help. Merry Christmas! Textlover (talk) 19:42, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
@Textlover: Yum - thanks, and enjoy the holidays! GoingBatty (talk) 21:20, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

A very merry Christmas

– to one of the most helpful Wikipedians. Chris the speller yack 22:47, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

@Chris the speller: Takes one to know one! Happy editing in the new year! GoingBatty (talk) 23:33, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

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Hi

First of all Merry Christmas to you! Could you please take a look at the article Carolina Neurath. Thanks!--BabbaQ (talk) 19:22, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

@BabbaQ:  Done - God Jul och Gott Nytt År! GoingBatty (talk) 20:50, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
Could you please take a look at the article Karolina Olsson. I hope your christmas was great as mine.--BabbaQ (talk) 23:00, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
@Karolina Olsson:  Done - I had a wonderful Christmas, and plan on relaxing all week. Hope you can do the same! GoingBatty (talk) 01:02, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

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@ER90s: I got this notice because I uncommented your entry to 2015 in comics. To fix this issue, I copied the reference from the CM Punk page, but feel free to add a different reference if you want. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 00:29, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Happy New Year GoingBatty

Actually I do not know a lot about these things. However I'm trying to understand. I created an Article Dinura instead the previous one, but this time I was very careful to follow the guides as possible as I could. But not sure what's gonna happen next. Thank you for your information and guidance given before. Enjoy the Happy New Year! Textlover (talk) 21:33, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

@Textlover: I suggest you read several of the Wikipedia:Manual of Style pages, such as Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biographies#Opening paragraph and Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 21:43, 1 January 2015 (UTC)


Sure.. Thank you so much. Have great times GoingBatty. Textlover (talk) 21:46, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Happy New Year.--BabbaQ (talk) 23:17, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
@BabbaQ: Thanks - you too! GoingBatty (talk) 23:59, 1 January 2015 (UTC)


Hi, GoingBatty, could you kindly have a look what's going on my article Dinura please? Thank you. Textlover (talk) 23:23, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

@Textlover: Unfortunately, you did not follow the guides, as you again created an article about your husband. Putting that aside, since the article is about your husband, the references you provide should be articles about your husband. Two of the references were to Wikipedia articles, so I removed those. Looking at the rest, I don't see Dinura's name in any of the references. For example, the reference following "Dinura improved his English literacy gaining the English diploma in Aquinas University college" is a link that describes the diploma, but does not mention that Dinura received this diploma. Since it appears that you haven't provided any reliable sources that mention Dinura, I'm afraid that your article will be deleted again. GoingBatty (talk) 23:59, 1 January 2015 (UTC)


It's OK GoingBatty. I understand. Thank you very much for your help. This is Wiki not the earth.  :) We do our best for welfare of our communities. Take care. Textlover (talk) 00:07, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

@Textlover: It appears that the DinuraCreations Sinhala Gramophone Text Archive is being discussed for deletion. For that article, it would not be necessary to have detailed references about your husband. However, it would be necessary to provide reliable sources that discuss the project. I hope that the project is very successful and receives a great deal of press in Sri Lanka! GoingBatty (talk) 00:12, 2 January 2015 (UTC)


Yes, you're right. I wanted to provide details as much as I could. I thought it would be helpful for verification. Now I'm tired GoingBatty. However, I'm happy because at least someone is there who could realize what the truth was. I don't worry about these things any more. God bless you! Textlover (talk) 00:23, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

@Textlover: In case you were not aware, there are Wikipedias in many languages, including the Sinhala Wikipedia and the Tamil Wikipedia. Maybe someone at one of those Wikipedias can help you find reliable sources for your project and build articles there. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 00:26, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Original Barnstar
GoingBatty this is for your dedications! Textlover (talk) 00:33, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, and Happy New Year! GoingBatty (talk) 00:34, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
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