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How was this even possible?

Apparently I edited the German Wikipedia, under this name. I do remember making the edit to our article Badaling, but how the hell did the same edit wind up on the German 'pedia? Anyone who happens to come to my talk page, can you explain it? Alex finds herself awake at night (Talk · What keeps her up) 02:28, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Some articles are transwikied to different projects, taking their edit histories with them. –Juliancolton | Talk 02:42, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
Strange. Why take the edit history, when it's (obviously) in a different language? Strange that an exact copy could be made across wikis. I don't suppose this means I have a login for the German Wikipedia (not that I'd ever use it, my German sucks).
And what are you, sitting on my talk page? :P Alex finds herself awake at night (Talk · What keeps her up) 02:47, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure it's to preserve the attribution to comply with the GFDL or something. What they'll do is transwiki the article and then translate it into their respective language.

And yeah, I'm a notorious Talk Page Stalker. :) –Juliancolton | Talk 03:07, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Interesting. I was expecting somebody to answer this in like days or weeks when I got a message relating to something, anything else. I even thought the "You have new messages" thing was somehow because I had archived (obviously, a talk page edit). Well, thanks. Alex finds herself awake at night (Talk · What keeps her up) 03:09, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

TDU pictures

Someone, Mick Rogers, and someone

Any idea who these people are? I have a sneaking suspicion that the Cofidis rider is Samuel Dumoulin, but I don't know why. I think we should create a 2009 Tour Down Under category at Commons, and I'll try to work through them. I'll crop the pictures I do have and upload them, although I might need your help identifying the riders. Apterygial 09:41, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I got your email, I'll look over the pictures. I'm afraid I'm not sure I'll be much help in identifying riders, but I'll give it a shot. Getting the pictures on Commons would probably be a good idea, though I don't have a Commons account and I'm not really keen to get one (do you?). Alex finds herself awake at night (Talk · What keeps her up) 10:21, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
If you go into your preferences, under User preferences and Basic information, if under Global account status you click Manage your global account, it should make it so whichever Wikimedia project you go to you are automatically logged in as Nosleep. I find it useful when I useful when I have to edit commons, wiktionary or wikinews (I even fixed fixed a link on the Finnish Wikipedia). Apterygial 22:52, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
Wild. I occasionally make housekeeping edits to the other Wikipedias too, when I check out their articles such as I describe in my little mini-bio on my user page, but it was always as an anon. Alex finds herself awake at night (Talk · What keeps her up) 00:28, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

I think the second Columbia-High Road rider in this picture is Adam Hansen, but I'm nowhere close to sure. Alex finds herself awake at night (Talk · What keeps her up) 11:59, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

+1. Apterygial 04:27, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
D'h...okay. Hopefully if I'm wrong someone will speak up. I'll try to identify the riders in the other pictures you sent me, and eventually get back to 2009 Tour Down Under, but if you can't tell, I'm working on about 873 things right now (and half of them are in real life!). Alex finds herself awake at night (Talk · What keeps her up) 04:42, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
You and me both, although mine are more centred on real life at this stage. I'm not in a hurry. Although I have about ten articles I want to get to FA when I have the time... Apterygial 09:04, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

GA Review

I have completed a review of 2009 Giro d'Italia, which you nominated. There are some issues noted at Talk:2009 Giro d'Italia/GA2. I hope you are able to respond on that page. maclean (talk) 00:00, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. Been waiting for it. I'll get to that tonight. Alex finds herself awake at night (Talk · What keeps her up) 00:15, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Omega Pharma – Lotto

Hi Alex, this edit of yours doesn't correspond to the standard we adapted during the process of getting "List of teams and cyclists in the 2009 Giro d'Italia" up to a Featured List. If you look under "Resolved comments from KV5, the eight comment says that "...all team names with hyphens, since they show disjunction between sponsor names, should use en-dashes instead of hyphens. The team articles should actually be moved to correspond with this change. For teams where there are spaces within one of the sponsor names (e.g., "Acqua & Sapone-Caffè Mokambo") the en-dash should actually be spaced as well (Acqua & Sapone – Caffè Mokambo)." Would you be so kind to revert your edit, or if you don't agree make a discussion on our project's talk page? lil2mas (talk) 00:24, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

If that's the case, then why "Silence–Lotto" and not "Silence – Lotto" (and the names that came before Silence)? Same difference, no? That's what my edit was directed at, matching "Silence–Lotto" Alex finds herself awake at night (Talk · What keeps her up) 00:26, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
And I can't say I understand why "Acqua & Sapone – Caffè Mokambo" is correct but "Acqua & Sapone–Caffè Mokambo" is not, while "Lampre–NGC" is apparently correct and "Lampre – NGC" is not. Same for "Garmin–Slipstream" and "Garmin – Slipstream" and, y'know, all the dashed team names. The nolink parameter on {{ct}} is going to be my savior in this, so as long as the orthography is correct (whatever correct is) on {{ct}} I'll be fine. Or maybe I'll just stick to writing about Liquigas and Rabobank and Quick Step :P Alex finds herself awake at night (Talk · What keeps her up) 00:31, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
Look closer at his reasoning: "...for teams where there are spaces within one of the sponsor names..." What might be the underlying idea, as I see it, is that if it is written "Acqua & Sapone–Caffè Mokambo", one can misinterpret the sponsor name as consisting of the two companies; "Acqua" and "Sapone–Caffè Mokambo", when in reality it's "Acqua & Sapone" and "Caffè Mokambo" which are the correct sponsors. With "Lampre–NGC" and "Garmin–Slipstream" there are no room for misconceptions, if you see what mean? lil2mas (talk) 01:14, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
I guess that makes sense. This whole thing makes my head swim. What of "Team Columbia – HTC" then? Are we actually saying there'd be confusion between "Team" and "Columbia–HTC" if it weren't spaced? Alex finds herself awake at night (Talk · What keeps her up) 01:17, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I thought of that one aswell... I think it should be plain "Columbia–HTC", without "Team". Since we never say "team", when referring to Columbia–HTC, Milram, Gerolsteiner, Astana etc.. The articles should have names like "Gerolsteiner (cycling team)", if they interfere with the company-article! lil2mas (talk) 02:10, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
It should be their UCI registered name. We were wrong to have the article on the Kazakh team at Astana Team, because their UCI registered team name was always just "Astana." Since Astana is not principal to the cycling team, but to the city, parenthetical disambiguation is needed, hence Astana (cycling team). Which you know. Columbia, Katusha, Milram, and Saxo Bank all include the word "Team" in their UCI registered names, so those are the correct titles for those articles. Gerolsteiner actually didn't, though I could have sworn they did, so that one should probably be moved. Alex finds herself awake at night (Talk · What keeps her up) 02:15, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Prods

I saw your comment here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zach Tuiasosopo. You seem a little exasperated that I deprodded, but I guess no harm done as you got the article deleted! Deprod is only for uncontroversial deletions. He's been in the news a lot, sometimes for not the right reasons like smashing up cars, and mostly as his family is famous - but he's had significant coverage. I pay little or no heed to the individual guidelines like WP:ATHLETE; I mainly go by WP:GNG to which they all defer. Deleting an article about someone who has received a fair amount of press coverage is never going to be uncontroversial, so for cases like that I'd say to just go to AfD directly. 60-100 articles per day are deleted via prod, so it's certainly not the case that deprodding is inevitable. As well as being a prod patroller, I use prod to delete articles fairly regularly. Farewell, Anatolian bump. Fences&Windows 01:53, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Oh I meant nothing personal. It's just the last 30 or 40 times (without exaggeration) that I've used PROD, it's been taken down, and the article was deleted anyway at AFD. Alex finds herself awake at night (Talk · What keeps her up) 01:58, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Spanish piece about 1934 Tour de France

Hi, I saw that you can speak Spanish, so a quick question. I am busy with the 1934 Tour de France article, and I found a Spanish newspaper [1] from 1934, that says: "En espera de los corredores se habían celebrado en el velódromo de La Roche Sur Yon, unas pruebas motoristas que han resultado desgraciadas, ya que una moto a gran velocidad ha dado una vuelta violenta resultando gravemente herido su conductor tanto que se eme que fallezca." Babelfish translates this as "Awaiting the runners they had been celebrated in the velodrome of South La Roche Yon, tests motorists who have been wretches, since a motorcycle at a high speed has given a violent return being seriously hurt its conductor as much that eme that it passes away" It seems to me that there was a motorcycle demonstration, during which a motorcyclist fell and died (passed away). Is this translation correct? If so, I think I should include it in the article.--EdgeNavidad (talk) 16:04, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

I think "pruebas motoristas" is probably motorcycle trials. Obviously "corredores" is "riders" in this context. "Se eme" is not a verb I recognize, but other than that, yeah, the gisted translation seems good - a motorbike was traveling at great speed and crashed, causing terminal injuries to its rider. Alex finds herself awake at night (Talk · What keeps her up) 04:34, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Thank you! --EdgeNavidad (talk) 06:36, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Edit summaries

I love your comments on these! I find them tedious: sometimes all I've done is removed a comma and then I am expected to write "rm comma" or "punctuation" or "punct" etc all of which are at least 5 times longer than the edit! Also what happens when you change many unrelated things at once: do you explain every single change?! "added comma, clarified language, moved to better place, created table, invented word, spoke to the pope... etc," Hm. Jubilee♫clipman 03:52, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Edit summaries are useful, and as I mentioned, I do use them a lot more often than not. But I sorta scratch my head at the stance of some users who seem to think they're the be-all, end-all. If you ever look at the edit history of a talk page, maybe even this one, there's tons of people who enter an edit summary that consists just of "comment" (no, really? Your edit to a talk page was a comment?) or "question" (same) or just a letter or a comma or something to satisfy the setting not to enter a blank edit summary. Pointless.
Interesting that people I don't really know are apparently reading my userpage...most interesting..... Alex finds herself awake at night (Talk · What keeps her up) 04:26, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

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Crazy ass idea for a reeeeeeeallllllly long-term goal

Giro d'Italia as a featured topic. What do you think? 2009 Giro d'Italia is going to be a good topic really soon, and I'm going to ask for a peer review for the 2009 Giro d'Italia article itself before going to FAC with it. If 2009 Giro d'Italia passes FA (it has already passed GA), that gives us a pretty good template for how future editions of the race should look (2008 Giro d'Italia, for example, is an utter disgrace of an article). It would also make 2009 Giro d'Italia itself a featured topic.

You may or may not be interested in helping directly, but what I'm looking for from you is where you go to get your sources for ancient editions of the Tour de France. Are they Tour-specific, or might they have info on ages-ago editions of the corsa rosa? Cycling News actually goes back over 10 years, and is going to keep me plenty busy if I go reverse-chronologically (seems logical to do that), but there's plenty of editions for which I'll need other sources.

So, any ideas for sources? I know none of the ancient Tour de France articles are GA or FA, but they're probably not far off (although one thing I noticed - but of course didn't fix myself, because that would just have been too easy) is that the plural of "Tour de France" should be "Tours de France." Not sure if you're the one who wrote "Tour de Frances," but just think about it - France is not plural. Next time I give those articles a read I'll make the fix when I see it (I only saw it a few times). Alex finds herself awake at night (Talk · What keeps her up) 08:37, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

I'll first respond to the plural of "Tour de France". Not because it is important, but because I think it is interesting. Let me start by saying that you are correct, and that similar to "sons-in-law", the 'official' plural is "Tours de France", and not "Tour de Frances". The latter one should have not been included in the Tour articles. But secondly, I disagree with the official rule. In French, it is "Tours de France", with no other option. I almost never write French text, but if I did, I would never use "Tour de Frances". That is because the words ("Tour", "de", and "France") have individual meanings. But in other languages where "Tour de France" is used, it is used only in that combination. As a result, I consider "Tour de France" to be one "word" in the English language. And the plural should be made, like any other word, by adding "s" to the end of the word. And without thinking about it, I use it when I write articles.
You started by mentioning that I may or may not be interested in helping directly. At the moment, I am interested, but don't have enough time. Furthermore, I am more interested in getting all the Tour-articles up to B or C-class. Maybe the once that I did are close to GA-class, but I think that I lack the writing skills that you have to make GA-class articles. English is not my first language, so sometimes I find myself looking for the right word, or writing awkard constructions. It simply takes too much time to copy-edit everything to GA-class, so I stop at B-class. I was planning to go on to the Giro articles when the Tour articles would be finished, but that was also a long-term goal. Moreover because I found so many difficulties in getting the exact rules for classifications (how many mountains were there, how many points did they give for the mountains classification, which stages gave how many points for the points classifications, how many intermediate sprints were there, how many bonification seconds did they give, etc.) even in quite recent articles, that I have been busy collecting this information for a book that I might publish someday. That takes up a lot of my free time already.
And then finally: the sources. My most important sources are:
  • www.letour.fr. Obviously only for the Tour de France.
  • Memoire du cyclisme. This is said to have reliable information. The Tour de France pages are open for everybody, but for the Giro pages you have to be a registered member.
  • Veloarchive. This has some nice information on the early Tours, but only a little bit on the Giro.
  • the CVCC page. This lists all the stage winners and all the general classification leaders of the Tour, but also of the Giro.
  • Cycling revealed. Does not give much detail, but often gives some detail that other pages miss. Also on the Giro.
  • El Mundo Deportivo. A Spanish sports paper. Gives detailed information about Tour classifications. Not very helpful during Spanish civil wars or when there were no Spanish cyclists in the race. Probably wrote a lot about the Giro, too.
  • Il Littoriale. Italian sports paper from 1928 to 1944, so useful for those Giro's. Probably wrote a lot on them, although I did not check it.
  • Leeuwarder Courant. A Dutch newspaper, helpful for me as I speak Dutch but probably you don't. Should have some articles on the Giro, at least since there first were Dutch cyclists in the Giro.
  • And of course Google books. I found some books about the Tour that were accessible for everybody, but they had no information on the Giro so I won't list them here.
I hope this helps you somewhat.--EdgeNavidad (talk) 15:54, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Thanks so much! I had no idea English was not your first language (take that as a compliment). Spanish and to a lesser extent Italian will be great helps for me - you're right that Dutch won't be :P Tour de France could be a featured topic just as easily as Giro d'Italia, especially since in recent years the Tour pages have had no trouble being prose-heavy B or C class articles simply by virtue of normal it's-on-TV-right-now-so-I'll-write-about-it collaboration. Hopefully when you have some more time to devote to Wikipedia we might go to year to year on both races. Alex finds herself awake at night (Talk · What keeps her up) 02:30, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Marisol Nichols

I minded that if it is in Commons, no problems in using it. But now I understand that i have to check for some policies first. Daniel Souza (talk) 10:01, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Where I can find this policy, it isnt at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons. Daniel Souza (talk) 10:06, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

WP:NFCC, criteria 1, states: No free equivalent. Non-free content is used only where no free equivalent is available, or could be created, that would serve the same encyclopedic purpose. Where possible, non-free content is transformed into free material instead of using a fair-use defense, or replaced with a freer alternative if one of acceptable quality is available; "acceptable quality" means a quality sufficient to serve the encyclopedic purpose. (As a quick test, before adding non-free content requiring a rationale, ask yourself: "Can this non-free content be replaced by a free version that has the same effect?" and "Could the subject be adequately conveyed by text without using the non-free content at all?" If the answer to either is yes, the non-free content probably does not meet this criterion.)
And have a look at the WP:BIOG banner on that article's talk page: Note: Wikipedia's non-free content use policy almost never permits the use of non-free images (such as promotional photos, press photos, screenshots, book covers and similar) to merely show what a living person looks like. Efforts should be made to take a free licensed photo (for example, during a public appearance), or obtaining a free content release of an existing photo instead. The Free Image Search Tool may be able to locate suitable images on Flickr and other web sites. So, Nadia Yassir pic =/= free use on Marisol Nichols. Alex finds herself awake at night (Talk · What keeps her up) 22:48, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
And the file is not on Commons, so I don't know where you're going with that. Alex finds herself awake at night (Talk · What keeps her up) 23:41, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Giro FAC

Please don't take that too much to heart--regrettably, things like this happen quite regularly on FAC. If I were you, I'd give the article another good read and renominate it in a few weeks, and I'm sure there'll be some people who'll be reviewing and considering a support. If you will, you can drop me a note and I'll review the article and support when I feel it meets the criteria. Ucucha 00:55, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Alex, I think you wrote a brilliant article. And I guess you also think it, otherwise you wouldn't have sent it to FAC. If you ever renominate it again, drop a note on the project talkpage. Of course as a member of WPCycling I won't vote a "support" on the article, but I will help out with the things that I can (mostly layout-things and coding, I guess). If you ever want to nominate a cycling article again (and I am sure you will), maybe it is an idea to let the cycling project know about it before, so the rest (maybe it's just me) can solve minor issues that you overlooked. In that way, the FAC-reviewers may have less to talk about, which makes the process easier.--EdgeNavidad (talk) 07:59, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
Thank you both. I've calmed down some, and as usual upon calming down I regret acting like a drama queen. Alex finds herself awake at night (Talk · What keeps her up) 00:29, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
I can give the article a solid copyedit if you want help in that area. Apterygial 10:55, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
Feel free (and thank you). I'd still like for something for which I was unquestionably the primary contributor to be declared more than "good." That's really what bothered me the most about it, I think. Alex finds herself awake at night (Talk · What keeps her up) 13:54, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
I'll give it a shot; revert anything you don't agree with. Apterygial 04:21, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
Give the 2008 article a look, too, if you have time and are inclined to. I think it might actually be better than the 2009 article. It would probably be improper for you to do the GA review, but if you could give it a look, that would be nice. Alex finds herself awake at night (Talk · What keeps her up) 04:23, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
I've added it to my post-it-note with all the copyedits I have lined up on it, so I won't do a GA review. From what I've seen so far of the 2009 article, I'd support it at the next FAC, and I'd be surprised if it didn't pass. Apterygial 04:34, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
Finished. Apterygial 03:57, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

I was quite proud about how insane my idea was until I saw yours... Apterygial 05:08, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Forgot

Not sure if you remember me, but thought to come by and say sorry about never sending an e-mail. I meant too, but got sidetracked.--WillC 08:31, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

'Course I remember you. It's no biggie. I just figured you weren't interested in continuing the discussion, which is fine. Alex finds herself awake at night (Talk · What keeps her up) 18:04, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, sorry about that. I'll probably e-mail you soon as I find time. I wanted to continue, I just tend to have a problem with follow-through.--WillC 07:08, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for passing Cage.--WillC 08:30, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Odd timing

It seems odd that you have chosen to move two dual-sponsored teams from hyphenated to endash separation precisely at the time that discussion is underway at both WT:CYC and WT:MOS about the relative appropriateness of these forms of punctuation. Your own contribution to the discussion, when started at the Garmin talk page, was scarcely a committed argument in favour of either. Kevin McE (talk) 07:17, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Mmm? All I did was move Garmin Transitions (see what I did there?) back to Garmin Slipstream because I think it should be moved on the first of the year and not before (same with updating team rosters on team pages and templates). I really don't care what goes between the sponsors' names. Truly, truly don't care, beyond getting it right. The only reason I moved the Liquigas page around (I assume that's the other one you're talking about) was to have Liquigas-Doimo be a navigable search term, to reach Liquigas–Doimo. Perhaps not the textbook way of doing it, but I mean to indicate no preference. Alex finds herself awake at night (Talk · What keeps her up) 01:10, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
OK: see how you have done that now, and I guess that makes sense of the editnote. Not sure why at the time I thought I had seen two teams moved. Kevin McE (talk) 00:23, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of 2008 Giro d'Italia

The article 2008 Giro d'Italia you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:2008 Giro d'Italia for eventual comments about the article. Well done! Jezhotwells (talk) 18:11, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

I noticed, as I have the page watchlisted. Thanks for your review. Nosleep (Talk · Contribs) 18:13, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Did you still want a copyedit on it? Apterygial 23:32, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Heck, I won't turn it down. Please give me something of yours to pour over sometime. Nosleep (Talk · Contribs) 23:36, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
I haven't got anything at the moment, but I'll let you know. Apterygial 23:55, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

2009 World Series

I'll try to come back to it tonight, but no promises. I don't plan on going point-by-point with you; to me, peer review is different from GAR or FAC in that I tell you what I think and that's the end of it - you can utilize my suggestions or not at your discretion, and there's no need for me to argue further for them. But I do have more of the article to look over. Nosleep (Talk · Contribs) 00:35, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
  • No problem, I really do appreciate the careful checking you've done. Hopefully you'll stop by the FAC when it goes up! :) Staxringold talkcontribs 18:35, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, but I don't really think I'm qualified to vet FA's, not until I've written one myself. Nosleep (Talk · Contribs) 05:44, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Template:Team Sky/Template:Team RadioShack

What is the disadvantage of using these templates to add the riders to a relevant category? You said that "Categories like this are unmaintainable and grow to be meaningless" but why are the categories going to "grow to be meaningless"? I don't understand the problem. Adambro (talk) 12:08, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Spotted your comments at the wikiproject, probably best to keep this there. Adambro (talk) 12:12, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
Just going off previous actions. There used to be categories like that for all the teams, but consensus was formed against them. I admit I copied your code for the RadioShack category, and was briefly confused as to why a redlinked category suddenly showed up on Armstrong, Bruyneel, etc...'s pages. There's no additional functionality to a category if it's hardcoded into the template. Nosleep (Talk · Contribs) 20:05, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

ages on season articles

Apologies: I didn't look closely enough at the coding, and wasn't aware of the birth date and age2 template that would made it possible (which is also why I copied that onto the RSH article to replace the non-standard team listing that was there. Just on another of your editnotes: in UK we do usually, but not invariably, use 2 digits for the day of the month even when it is below 10: most forms insist on it. But the template is bilingual, so it doesn't really matter either way. Kevin McE (talk) 17:28, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

All right, well I won't revert that on sight anymore then. Thanks Nosleep (Talk · Contribs) 06:04, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Hmm...

I think people are scared of you... [2] Apterygial 22:42, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

I've tried not to think about it, nor about how if I take it back to FAC it'll probably get laughed out of the building :\ Nosleep (Talk · Contribs) 00:34, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
Don't know about that. I reckon it would pass as is, but it doesn't hurt to get an extra set of eyes on it. Apterygial 01:22, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
Maybe you should nominate it then. *shrug* I'll let the PR run its course before I do anything else. Only three more days before it gets closed. Nosleep (Talk · Contribs) 01:52, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Chris Anker Sørensen

I didn't have enough time to weigh in on this at the time but I looked into the licence thing when there was a query at the Mark Cavendish page about nationality. Basically, the licence is issued by the country the rider lives in. The "nationality" field on the licence is independent to it and follows the more standard sports nationality norms. A rider decides their nationality when taking their first professional licence and after that it becomes quite difficult to change (although possible). SeveroTC 21:13, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Yep, my mistake. Easily and quickly corrected. Nosleep (Talk · Contribs) 21:15, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Crappy pictures...

...if you want them. Apterygial 10:56, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! I'm more interested in pictures from the TDU proper, if you're around any of those stages. Nosleep (Talk · Contribs) 03:36, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
I'm trying to go to all of them. I'll upload the images from stage 1 soon. Apterygial 22:40, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

I've uploaded a few images here. I'll regularly update both that category and this page as I upload files. Apterygial 00:14, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Great! Obviously it would be fantastic if we could get a picture of Greipel. Not sure if that's asking too much, to get a specific rider. But getting as many different teams as possible is also big, because many of the teams have new jerseys this year. Nosleep (Talk · Contribs) 01:25, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
I was in Unley this morning for the start, and I tried to get a picture of him, but there was a FDJ rider in the way (grrr...). I've been trying to get a picture of him, but you know how well sprinters hide until they need to come out. I'll be near the finish in Stirling this afternoon (they go past three times) so I'm hoping I get some good snaps. Apterygial 01:45, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
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