User talk:ImTheBombardier

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Re: Deleted article[edit]

Hello ImTheBombadier. Unfortunately, due to the reason for which this page was deleted, I am not able to restore it to the article space of my own accord. This page was deleted as the result of an "articles for deletion" discussion that took place over a year ago on the grounds that it was promotional and lacked sufficient references from third parties to justify your company's notability. Companies are not granted articles in Wikipedia simply because their competitors have articles.

However, there is good news. It looks as though the original creator of the article saved a copy of it before it was deleted on their userpage. While they haven't edited for over a year, the article is still there: User:Jrp3d. You are welcome to work on this article and bring it up to an acceptable standard, and if you'd like I can move it to your userpage or a subpage of it so it's easier for you to get to.

I will admit that I am concerned about your conflict of interest. While I appreciate you admitting outright that you are an employee of this company, and while it does seem you have put a fair amount of research into our policies and such (which is more than I can say for most new users), the conflict is still present, and care should be taken when working on this article to ensure you aren't being unintentionally biased. Soliciting comments from other users should help in this matter. From what you've said above, I think it will be a significantly smaller concern than it is with most users with a conflict of interest, however it is still something to be aware of and cautious of.

Anyway, let me know if you want the existing page moved, and I can take care of that for you. If you need any further help with working on the article, I can try to do that as well, or refer you to other pages or other users that have more experience in article work than myself. Hope this helps, and welcome to Wikipedia. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 00:43, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Hersfold. Thank you for the prompt response. I would appreciate it if you could move the page to my userpage (or subpage, I'm not exactly clear on the distinction yet) so that I can work on it. I understand that our competitors pages don't justify ours, but it convinced me that we were doing something wrong in terms of the page we had because I know we are at least as notable as some of those companies. Due to our competitors existence, my inclination is that our notability is less of an issue than the tone of promotion on our page me think that the promotion-like language on our page.

Thanks for expression your concern about conflict of interest. My initial plan is to work only by excision to avoid adding any biased language. To address the notability problem I will add the links I mentioned in my post on your talk page, and to deal with promotional language I will cut out things in the existing page, but add nothing of my own. I appreciate your help and I look forward to working on the page. One question I have is how I go about posting the fixed page and asking for help from other users, I am worried that reposting will immediately be met with speedy deletion. I suppose I can cross that bridge when I come to it but any advice would be appreciated. ImTheBombardier (talk) 01:38, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've moved the draft over to the userpage, so you should be able to find it more easily now. It sounds like your intended approach is a good one; if you should need help, or you think you've gotten it to the point it can be moved back into the article "mainspace", then let me know with a message here or leave a {{helpme}} template on your user talk page along with whatever your question is. If it is done, we can check over the article to make sure it satisfies all the concerns raised at the AFD and meets other standards to avoid any surprises. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 04:29, 10 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for moving that page and for all of your help thus far. I spent this morning cleaning up the page and making the reference links more robust. The article now has 5 external links all from third parties that are in no way affiliated with Manhattan GMAT. I also greatly cut back the flowery language on the page leaving only those section s that were most impartial. I tried to mimic language found on the pages of other test preparation companies or to use language that similar to the lines found in referring articles. I believe this page may be ready for the "mainspace" but I'd be happy to have it looked over and changed by more seasoned eyes first. I certainly think that the concerns of the AFD have been greatly ameliorated by my changes and I hope that any further changes that are deemed necessary can be made as well. I appreciate all of your help and I look forward to hearing the next steps. ImTheBombardier (talk) 16:57, 10 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I just reviewed the article for Hersfold, and I would say it's good enough for mainspace. It has references, and third party ones from major newspapers at that...it's neutral, well written grammatically and etc, and I can't find any real problems even when nitpicking. It's quite a nice article, and I would say congratulations on having written such a good article while having a COI. Ks0stm If you reply here, please leave me a {{Talkback}} message on my talk page. 06:04, 11 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Ks0stm's review, well done. You'll notice I made one minor change last night to remove a number of (R) symbols; these aren't strictly necessary and it's general convention to leave them out of articles. Aside from that, though, this looks ready to move out. I'll try to get one more reviewer to look it over to make sure, but then I'll see about moving it back in and restoring the previous revisions of the article underneath it. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 16:05, 11 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Ks0stm. I greatly admire Wikipedia and its general mission so I put in a lot of research before starting the work on the article. I'm glad that my research paid off and resulted in a good article. I appreciate you looking it over for me and giving such kind feedback.

Hersfold, thank you for your help throughout this process. I'm glad to see that the article can be moved to the mainspace soon. Thank you for fixing the (R) symbols, I was unaware of the convention there. I look forward to the other reviewer's comments and I look forward to the eventual move into the mainspace. ImTheBombardier (talk) 18:42, 11 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Hersfold, I just want to check in and see if there is anything more I can do to improve my article while we are waiting for another set of eyes to look over the page. If there is anything else I can do to prepare for the move over to the mainspace, please let me know. Thank you! ImTheBombardier (talk) 20:17, 13 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I looked over your sources and have a few issues. First off, source 4, the forum, is not considered a reliable source, and should be removed. Second off, several of the sources mention the article in passing, and, while acceptable, are not ideal. Source 3 is excellent, while sources 1 and 5 mention the organization only in passing. If you can find more sources like 3, that would help the article a great deal. For more information, you can read WP:SOURCE. Please also read WP:NPOV, our guideline on neutral language. Thanks, Sven Manguard Wha? 00:17, 14 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Sven Manguard, thank you for your input on the article. I looked over the two pages you recommended (NPOV and SOURCES) and based on your comments I deleted the questionable source from my citations. I replaced it with two new sources that are more directly about the company. I hope the addition of these sources will help bring my page closer to being ready for the mainspace. Please let me know if you would recommend further revision. ImTheBombardier (talk) 21:02, 14 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I'm going to be out of communication for a while, so you should probably talk to other people in Articles for Creation. The best way to do this is over the IRC (channel wikipedia-en-help). Sorry, Sven Manguard Wha? 00:38, 15 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Sven Manguard, thank you for your help. I will look for others to assist me while you are out of communication. ImTheBombardier (talk) 16:35, 15 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Hersfold, after looking at the comments of a second reviewer (Sven Manguard), I made some final edits for my article. Sven said he would be out of communication for a while and that I should take the discussion to Articles for Creation for further consideration. I am fairly confident in the rigor of my article and would be happy to move it to AFC for review, but I am concerned that doing so would lose the edit history that you mentioned reinstating in an earlier post. Please advise on how I should move forward with getting my article placed in the mainspace. Should I go to AFC or is there another form of creation that is better for restoring past articles? Thank you again for all of your help. I am sorry to impose. ImTheBombardier (talk) 17:05, 15 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Moved userpage[edit]

Hello! I've converted your userpage into an AfC submission; it now redirects to that page. Let me know if you need any help. Mono (talk) 01:40, 19 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Mono. Thank you for helping me with the move to AfC. I will let you know if I have any other questions that come up. ImTheBombardier (talk) 23:48, 20 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Talkback[edit]

Hello, ImTheBombardier. You have new messages at Ks0stm's talk page.
Message added 05:12, 22 January 2011 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.[reply]

Again. Ks0stm If you reply here, please leave me a {{Talkback}} message on my talk page. 01:41, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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