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I've seen you around before in KPOP talk pages. I'm just letting you know there is a discussion going on of what to do with the pages at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Korea/Popular culture if you'd like to join in and give your opinion.

Thanks! And happy new year!

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Viereckschanze: your help needed

Hello, you once added this [1] from a book. There are some unclear parts (^83 m x j$ m, and 9.5 x to m) in the quotation. Now there were maintenance tags added [2]. Can you please look the page up again and correct the numbers? Holger1959 (talk) 15:10, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

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Cuban missile crisis or Cuban Missile Crisis

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I have started another move discussion; join in. --George Ho (talk) 19:36, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

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Stylization of the "common name"

In January 2013 there was a "RfC on COMMONSTYLE proposal" at WT:AT in which you expressed an interest. FYI there is a similar debate taking place at the moment, see Wikipedia talk:Article titles#Stylization of the "common name" -- PBS-AWB (talk) 12:13, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Kirin Company

Given your prior assistance with Harusame, I wonder whether you might be able to help with Talk:Kirin Company, Limited. I think that article needs to be both renamed and forked. —BarrelProof (talk) 19:23, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Shadows in the Night

Dab? Do you have any other topics to put here? The film doesn't have an article and even if it did, wouldn't this be primary? (please use {{Ping}} if you respond here.) —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:00, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

@Koavf: I believe the baseline should be dab with the four topics mentioned under this name in other articles. It clearly isn't primary topic yet, that would be crystal ball. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:09, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Primary topic But it has sources and incoming links and the other articles don't exist. If you can establish that (e.g.) the 1944 film is actually a big deal and we somehow missed it in the course of making 4.6 million other articles, then you could definitely move the album article back to "(album)" and make the dab page the primary topic. Until then, you would have an actual article which has disambiguation in the title and a dab page with nothing to link to on it. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:56, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Please see WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:53, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Primary topic I was actually going to refer you to that. I don't understand your point. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:58, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Primary?

Regarding Mustang, did you miss my musical analogy? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:59, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

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New Morning (Misia album)

I've gone over this with you in the past and you didn't listen to me that time either. In all Japanese reliable sources, this album's name is written in all caps. Because Wikipedia's internal style guides do not allow this unless each of those letters stands for something, then it has to be called a "stylization". This is because not only has Misia (whose name is also always parsed as MISIA in Japanese) released albums with a title like "NEW MORNING" she has also released the album Mother Father Brother Sister. I don't know how many times I have to clarify this to you or everyone else when suddenly you assume that "stylization" doesn't make sense or is not allowed or whatever when it is a matter forced on the English Wikipedia because of the manual of style. I am tired of this nonsense from you. The album's name within Japan is parsed a way that the English Wikipedia's manual of style forbids. That is why it is called a stylization. Just like Ke$ha is a stylization and Rick Ro$$ is a stylization and so on. I don't know why you constantly do this despite the hours I spent explaining this exact same concept to you 5 months ago.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 01:56, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

As before, this isn't the Japanese Wikipedia how something is written in Romaji text in Japanese articles is not how it is written in English text in English articles. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:40, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

There are no English language sources for these things so we have to fall back on the Japanese ones which exclusively typset the title of this album in all caps, which is a stylistic choice considering that there are tracks on the album in question titled "HOPE & DREAMS", "Miss you always", "Daisy", "One day, One life", etc. Your insistence that this information must be in English language reliable sources that do not exist when you don't demand this same standard be set for an American musician like Lady Gaga whose last solo studio album is typeset as "ARTPOP" and there is an identical statement on Artpop regarding stylization.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 03:55, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

We should follow English print sources. If we are making a statement based on Japanese print sources then the statement should be qualified to say "in Japanese". In ictu oculi (talk) 04:03, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Someone else showed you an English print source that uses "NEW MORNING" and we do not need to make that determination. You are making a completely wrong interpretation of what's going on. The album's title is "NEW MORNING" regardless of what language that information appears in. It is on the physical CD. It is on the official website of the artist and her record label. The only reason any of this is happening is because MOS:CAPS won't allow "NEW MORNING" as the article title. This has nothing to do with romaji as you insist it does because I've repeatedly given you evidence that not only has MISIA released an album that has an English language title but is not typeset in all caps, but she has multiple songs included on NEW MORNING that are also not typeset in all caps.

Tell me this: Why do you refuse to acknowledge this? Why do you demand that "in Japanese" be used? Why do you insist on requiring non-existant sources?—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 04:52, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Ryulong, can I ask, do you always get your own way on Wikipedia? Let the RFC decide please. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:54, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

You shouldn't have started a damn RFC because you refused to listen to any of the arguments I put forward tonight or in September. I have gone above and beyond in showing why you are incorrect in your insistence here and you refuse to acknowledge any of it. It is not "Romaji". It is not just "in Japanese". There is no reason for this to have been brought up again but you changed it, again, anyway. I don't understand why you've done any of this. We don't need an RFC. You just need to read what myself and DAJF have said to you. You've made unreasonable expectations and refuse to acknowledge any evidence to the contrary.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 04:58, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Do you do anything on Wikipedia other than move pages to conform with the disambiguation rules or what? Because if you did anything otherwise you might actually know something about standard article writing practice other than disambiguation rules and regulations.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 05:00, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Are you done? Anything more you wish to say? In ictu oculi (talk) 05:13, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

You don't know anything about Japanese music and I've expounded upon that thought on the article talk page where I've given examples of American and Canadian born musicians solely releasing music within Japan disprove your "romaji" interpretation. Also, retract the RFC.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 05:17, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Any more?, keep going. In ictu oculi (talk) 05:19, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

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Tulisa Contostavlos

I am thinking of closing this move discussion. Do you have an opinion on moving the DAB to Tulisa? It seems wrong to leave Tulisa redirecting to the singer without moving the singer's article to Tulisa. One solution is to let Tulisa be the DAB and the singer herself would be at Tulisa (singer). The existing votes leave me unclear on whether that's what most people want. The DAB was created by a user part way through the discussion so we don't know what everyone thinks about having the DAB at Tulisa. If it's too confusing I will just relist. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 23:41, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Anthony Johnson

Hey there. Thanks for giving your opinion at the talk page. However, I don't understand your reasoning. You're saying that since there's a common first name and common surname, that he should not get the namespace. What about Jon Jones? He has a common first and last name. Why does he have his own page? Because he is the most significant out of all by far. That's how I feel about Anthony Johnson and I've provided the points and evidence to support that strongly. Is there any way I could get you to change your mind? Please leave a reply at my talk page. Thanks. WWE Batman131 (talk) 19:24, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Yvette

Hi, IIO. I made my first RM closure tonight at Talk:Yvette. Can you have a look and give me any feedback? I think it went okay and BD2412 did help with moving the disambig page. It's uncharted territory tbh! I enjoy contributing to Wikipedia so constructive feedback is very welcome, thanks. Zarcadia (talk) 20:30, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

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Therapeutae and Buddhist influence

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Just curious...

Do you believe that Ooh Yeah (song) should be moved to Ooh Yeah (Moby song)? Steel1943 (talk) 15:08, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

User:Steel1943 FWIW I've added a couple of album tracks to the Ooh Yeah dab, so technically probably yes, but this doesn't appear to be a case where's there's a classic earlier era song being passed over. Depends how distinctive onomatopoeic noises like "ooh" and "oh" really are; it isn't a difference like doe and dough. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:28, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Ray Rush

Okay so I found the article you did Ray Rush under the shortest bios-I'm trying to find out if he is living or not (I might move him to possibly living), have any info about dob and other stuff? thanks. Wgolf (talk) 00:18, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Unfortunately not, seems to have been active in the 60s but no bio data. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:32, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Sons of Noah

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Wildside

So...I moved Wildside (Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch song) to Wildside (song) because there was no other song with that title, then I saw the discussion on the Motley Crue song. So, uh, should I move it back? Or do you think we just need a hatnote on the song title for possible ambiguity and call it a day? hbdragon88 (talk) 10:02, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

A hatnote doesn't help mobile users, or people with slow connections, as the difference is only a spacing I have put it back. Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:15, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Okay, fair enough. But is there any centralized discussion on this? Like has there been a recent policy change with this? I recall a time when we used to have Revolver (album) and Thriller (album) - and now they're completely disambiguated for zero confusion. Also, i was wondering why you were "familiar" and that was because you recently moved The Boxer to the disambiguated title. hbdragon88 (talk) 06:24, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Yes there was a discussion on WP:SONGDAB about a year and a half ago to revert the addition of a "primary song" idea to the guideline. Though interpretation of whether other songs "exist" is often settled via RMs. In this case though with just a space different I don't think there'd be much need for discussion. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:44, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

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Rain in England

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(talk page stalker) I put in a revert request here. There's no reason to disambiguate here. Dohn joe (talk) 21:57, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Give It 2 Me is another. Josh Milburn (talk) 21:49, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

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Thanks John, not done much In ictu oculi (talk) 07:18, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

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Tony Lawrence

Err can you please explain this page move? GiantSnowman 18:30, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

I didn't finish entries to the Anthony Lawrence dab. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:43, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

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Searching for old reference

Hi,

Way back in (march) 2013 you gave me this barnstar on my talk page. Over a period of time I lost track of that article name which I worked for. I dont see it now in my contrib list. May be the article got deleted over a course of time. Is it possible to know the article name again ?

Rgds

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Sorry, escapes me but sure it was deserved. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:38, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

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My, Oh My

Why did you take the comma out of the title on My, Oh My? The album track listing and other official sources (official YouTube of the video, Allmusic, etc.) use the comma. Thus, no qualifier is needed in the title; compare Love, Me vs. Love Me. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 01:42, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

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seems like someone did tag your page Iván Madarász as a csd and didn't even send you a note! I did remove the csd seeing that the guy is indeed noble. Looking at the guy who did its date he registered it seems to be a classic "newbie not sure" well anyway good luck! (Going to send him a message now)Wgolf (talk) 18:17, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

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Give It 2 Me

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Gary Williams

You were the first person to comment on the RM at Talk:Gary Williams. I suggest taking another look, now that the discussion has expanded. —BarrelProof (talk) 21:10, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Discussing disambiguation

In move discussions, you have frequently or always favored more precision or disambiguation on titles. Usually, majority may disagree with you when it comes to primary topics or existing articles. I don't know why you always prefer extra disambiguation, but this may have affected or clouded your judgment, especially on reality of disambiguated topics. Would you at least comment before you vote. --George Ho (talk) 10:39, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

Usually the majority agrees with clearer titling, there are just certain areas where editors prefer ambiguity. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:36, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

I don't follow you. Well, there is no definite criterion for a primary topic, but favoring extra disambiguation may imply that anything is not a primary topic. In other words, there might not be a such thing as primary topic. In your logic, Boston should be "Boston, Massachusetts". Majority is currently familiar with the US city, not the obscure UK town. --George Ho (talk) 06:40, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Usually the majority of editors agrees with clearer and unambiguous titling, there are just certain areas where editors prefer ambiguity, including weighting to subjects which are not absolute majority in books. Please see comments in RM. Thanks. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:43, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

You are rephrasing what you've already said. Also, I checked your comments. Not many agree with you, and your comments may imply disregard with usual primary topic criteria. --George Ho (talk) 07:00, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker). Interesting thought, using the title, "Boston, Massachusetts!" American cities and places are usually defined by the addition of the State, so the fuller title would be the common name. Next question is who would be disadvantaged by the fuller title for Boston? Nobody at all (except those with a pathological hatred of all disambiguation!). I suspect the reason it was moved to its present title was nationalistic pride - which went the other way with Worcester, Massachusetts at a recent RM. Next thing to think about is consistency, having a disambiguation for Worcester but not Boston is hardly conducive to Wikipedia:CONSISTENCY and ease of use of WP. Not that I plan or would appreciate a bunch of RMs on these thoughts of mine. Next we should consider how long term the notability of a article is, when the discussion is about the latest best-seller, the latest trend, the latest meme, our decisions must be weighted with a consideration of long-term significance - as required in the guidelines. The trouble is, some of these debates boil down to, "my dick is bigger than your dick!" You see certain editors systematically trying to remove their artists' name from a song just to show how big the artist is. At the same time we all, in general usage, refer to song and artist together! I have a lot of respect for both of you and some of the points you have made... and I know I live in a greenhouse - which is why I have deliberately stepped back from RMs. We all need to accept that different subjects need different handling -which is why the guidelines for roads asks specifically additional disambiguation even when unnecessary, song/album titling is in direct opposition to primary topic. There are always exceptions and contrary guidelines, we should either understand why there are opposing guidelines or get them amended. Sorry guys, rant over. --Richhoncho (talk) 07:45, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

I'll revive this for Unreal7 if he is interested. Sorry, IIO, but your same ol' rationale is growing tiresome to me. --George Ho (talk) 18:18, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

I wholeheartedly agree with everything George Ho said above - IIO's fixation with unnecessary extra parenthesis and irrelevant info on disambiguation pages annoys me. Unreal7 (talk) 22:10, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

(performer)

Hi - I reverted most of your moves away from "(performer)". Many of the new dabs you picked were, if anything, the less notable aspect of the subject, or even plain incorrect (Bill Foster (performer) was not a comedian, for example). When a person is relatively equally known for multiple areas of entertainment, consensus is that an umbrella dab is suitable. Please take these - individually - to RMs if you feel strongly enough. Thanks. Dohn joe (talk) 21:15, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Re: Diacritics discussion

According to the current rules of Wikipedia:Naming conventions (ice hockey) (which I personally think is English-supremacist), diacritics are forbidden on pages about North American hockey teams. Also, there's this IP knock-head who's targeting diacritics like how anti-vaxxers are targeting vaccinations.

OTOH, for what it's worth, I'll be leaving English Wikipedia for a while since English-supremacists, -centrists and -exceptionalists are still dominating here. If you wish to talk to me, please feel free to contact me on my talk page on Cantonese Wikipedia or that on Wikimedia Incubator. Thanks. — CÉDRIC: PROUDLY REGISTERED! 18:33, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

For what it's worth, a wikiproject advice page cannot "forbid" anything, and no "local consensus" of that sort trumps article titles policy and the Manual of Style. I find it dismaying that jingoistic anti-diacritics battleground behavior is actually driving productive editors away from en.wiki. This will certainly be noted for future reference, and I hope that sort of bias reduces in short order.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  04:07, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

I would note it was actually elevated to a guideline at some point, it isn't actually an advice page. -DJSasso (talk) 12:45, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Eliza Marian Butler

You added some sources to the E. M. Butler article back in 2012, but three of them are still "unidentified" i.e. the full title and info is needed. Do you think you can figure out somehow what sources you used and add the info to the references? — Jeraphine Gryphon ^(talk) 08:05, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

If you could give me some sort of an answer, even a negative one, that would be great. — Jeraphine Gryphon ^(talk) 12:04, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Kauffner

In ictu - just wanted to acknowledge your vigilance in rooting out each new Kauffner sock. It's appreciated. Dohn joe (talk) 13:38, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Agreed. Dealing with long-term sockpuppetry may be tiring, but it's very valuable. bobrayner (talk) 00:10, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Ice hockey diacritics

In past discussions I've often noticed you encouraging the use of diacritics. What about Wikipedia:Naming conventions (ice hockey)#Article titles. Would you say that this wording still enjoys consensus, and describes the current practice? Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 01:05, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

User:EdJohnston, I would guess that now consensus has moved further beyond that, and what was progressive is now behind where the rest of the encyclopedia is. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:10, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

I've commented over there on its talk page. The WP:PROJPAGE's "rule" is actually a three-way policy violation.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  04:22, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

And I am sure the hockey project would be more than happy to remove it if we can show that it has. The last wiki-wide RfC ended almost exactly at 50-50 on the use of them. If we can show that the wiki itself finally has a consensus on the topic then we would remove it obviously. I would note SM that it is a guideline not a projpage. I suggest if you believe in it to create an new RfC so we can gauge where things are at now. -DJSasso (talk) 12:47, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Keep an eye out

I note that User:Tennis expert, one of a handful of anti-diacritics campaigners, was caught sockpuppeteering about it and indefinitely blocked. It occurs to me that a) such people often do not stop, but just create another account, and b) several anti-diacritics campaigners of late sound an awful lot like Tennis expert did in 2009. I'm not very good at SPI (I think I've only tracked down sockpuppeteers twice), but you seem to be better at sussing them out.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  04:25, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Which Serbian lady did you have in mind?  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  10:09, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Pretty sure he means Ana Ivanovic, or Ana Ivanović, if you prefer. Resolute 14:30, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

A tennis editor, strongly opposed to diacritics, with an interesting editing history? That sounds familiar. bobrayner (talk) 17:59, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

But isn't that one also blocked? User:SMcCandlish yes, that's the one BLP out of sync with the rest of the encyclopedia. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:21, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Hell, I dunno. I can't keep track of all the anti-MOS sockpuppeteers (hell, I didn't even keep track of the pro-MOS one, heh. I looked over that BLP and started writing the Rm, but I'm going to have to pass. As long as her own official website doesn't use the diacritic, I think that trumps that English-language children's book. While the usual suspects are wrong (and they know it but just keep at it as a WP:IDHT exercise) in trying to apply a WP:COMMONNAME argument to a style matter, the WP:V/WP:RS issue trumps MOS's general preference. No source is more reliable about how to render their name in English than the subject (in this case we have the second best thing, the subject's webmaster, I guess; there's no "proof" the subject okayed it without the diacritic, but it's unlikely she did not, and we'd never ask for that proof for anyone else; we treat publications of a subject as representing their views/preferences). Not every single European born with a diacritic prefers to use it, and people who cross cultural lines often adjust their names for different circumstances. Most of the Asians (as in really from Asian, not Asian-[Whatever]), use Western name order in English (and often adopted Western given names), but family-first order otherwise. I know Hispanics Americans who use diacritics in their names when writing in Spanish but not in English. It is proven that the diacritic exists and pertain to her native-language name, but there's stronger evidence she doesn't use it in English than that she does. Gotta let this one go.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  08:57, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Meteorite (song)

Hello. Saw that you moved Meteorite (song) to Meteorite (Mariah Carey song). I've re-opened the article under the former. I didn't realize you'd done a move, so if you want to move the article to the latter again and do a history merge then that's cool.  — Calvin999 09:33, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Oriya_language#Requested_move_17_June_2015

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Tennis expert

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Dab page

I'm afraid I'm going to be away from Internet for a while, so don't expect me at "God and Satan". But I am curious: what is a dab page? Over two years here, and I've not heard the term. Thanks! Evensteven (talk) 06:18, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Disambiguation page. — Jeraphine Gryphon ^(talk) 08:16, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Two recent moves were not necessary

On Fire! to On Fire! (Petra album) and This Means War! to This Means War! (Petra album). There are not DABs at the old article. Please explain the moves on each of the articles' talk pages. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:06, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

As with other albums where ! is only distinction WP:SMALLDETAILS. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:00, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

WP:SMALLDETAILS actually encourages using minor details to naturally disambiguate articles over parenthetical disambiguation. Hatnotes are sufficient to direct readers to the articles they may be looking for. Sovereign Sentinel (talk) 08:25, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes it's recently been edited to encourage that. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:47, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Une vie

Hi In ictu - please don't move titles that are currently going through the RM process, like you did at Une vie. That circumvents the process, and is not cool. Dohn joe (talk) 23:17, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

I thought you were the one who did that? That album was not sitting over the Maupassant story before. Anyway, it's still completely timewasting nobody is going to believe that album is a primary or even minor topic. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:44, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Could I ask the reasons for moving Da Jesus Book to Bible translations into Hawaii Pidgin?

I'd assume there's only one Bible translation into Hawaiian Pidgin that's notable, so why the unnecessary disambiguation? Grognard Extraordinaire Chess (talk) Ping when replying 07:37, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Consistency, see Talk page. It would need demonstrating that no one ever translated anything into Hawaiian Pidgin before or after this book. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:39, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Unnecessary disambiguation

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• Heaven and Hell (novel) to Heaven and Hell (John Jakes novel) (there don't seem to be any other notable novels named Heaven and Hell currently noted anywhere)
• Suspicion (novel) to Suspicion (Friedrich Dürrenmatt novel) (if this were a proper move it should be Suspicion (Dürrenmatt novel))

If you do know of an alternative topic, as you suggest in your edit summary at Suspicion (novel), you should still not be moving articles around before first establishing that these topics have a place at Wikipedia. For example, if you believe the François Mauriac novel Suspicion is notable in English, then you should create Suspicion (Mauriac novel) as a stub, or a redirect to an appropriate place, and establish a disambiguation page at Suspicion (novel) that points to both novels. Further, if you are taking on the responsibility of disambiguating pages, then you should be adding hatnotes where approprate and checking backlinks to make sure you are not creating confusion in other ways. For example, Suspicion (novel) is listed at the disambiguation page Suspicion, and while redirects are fine, if you are disambiguating to eliminate confusion between two topics, you should be making sure both topics are not being confused at the disambig page level. Thanks.— TAnthony^Talk 14:50, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Please look at the dab pages and edit summaries, (I should have added Himnaríki og helvíti 2007, the Jakes novel is only a redirect to part of a trilogy artice) there is a recognizability issue since Suspicion is not the only title of Der Verdacht which is The Quarry in some English editions (see jpg on article). Suspicion (novel) should point back to the Suspicion dab in an ideal world. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:33, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Comics disambiguation

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Ambiguous disambiguation

Your thoughts, sir. I see this bandied around a little and it makes sense. It supports NCM. Is there a guideline, rule, essay or other that supports the concept of "Ambiguous disambiguation?" --Richhoncho (talk) 14:44, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

There was a rule, WP:PDAB but it was opposed by a couple of pop music editors because of the exceptions of 3 or 4 articles In ictu oculi (talk) 02:58, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

MV Seaspeed Dora

Sorry about the no-cats tag. I don't know how I missed the category, but I did. ubiquity (talk) 21:36, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

No worries, perhaps work slightly further up the new articles line? 10 min, or 20 min? In ictu oculi (talk) 21:37, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Suspicious?

Hijiri88 here. Logged out (and in a hotel) to prevent a scandal in case it's no harm no foul. This is a new account whose almost every edit has been to post in RMs, and is apparently at least a little interested in Asian history. I don't actually disagree with this person anywhere I have checked, but when my new RM on Thirty-six Immortals of Poetry saw participation by a user with a redlink talk page I got a little suspicious and ... well ... does it remind you of anyone? 210.168.172.122 (talk) 14:22, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

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• Khiramohana or, Kheer Mohan is a creamish sweet popular & invented in Odisha since the Jagannath Temple, Puri came into existence. The sweet, offered to the goddess Lakshmi during the Rath Yatra of the temple. Now, the sweet is though made of chhena and cooked in sugar syrup but there is no concrete evidence that chhena, which we know today, existed at the time of the sweet's invention. It is very unlikely of its existence then.
• NB: Kheer in Kheer Mohan, suggests a condensed milk pudding, is not chhena.

• Pahala Rasgulla, the descendant and an alternative name of Khiramohana , is a yellowish brown, crumbly, syrupy sweet popular & available only in Pahala region of Odisha.

• Rosogolla is a light spongy white ball of chhana stewed in sugar syrup (rasa). The form of Rosogolla that we know today is different from Khiramohana of Odisha in various aspects. Evidenly, Nobin Chandra Das of Kolkata, West Bengal, discovered the sweet. Its alternative names are Rossogolla, Rasagolla & Roshogolla, and its variations are Kamala Bhog, Raj Bhog, Roso Malai etc. The name of the sweet is anglicize to Rasgulla, after many non-Bengali speaking Indians started calling it by this name.

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Disambiguation of books and novels

Hi, not sure if you're aware, but per WP:BOOKDAB, if further disambiguation is needed, we disambiguate by surname only, not the author's full name. --Rob Sinden (talk) 08:28, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Following on from the above, I've been pointed to a discussion in the archive of that guideline that you were participant in, so it seems you are fully aware the guidelines recommend that we disambiguate by surname only. Rather than wilfully editing against the long-established naming convention, why not start an RfC to see if there is community consensus to change the guideline. --Rob Sinden (talk) 14:13, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

For the record, I'm not necessarily against a change to the guideline, it's just that when we have clear established naming conventions, we should, as a general rule, be following them unless there is a good case/consensus for each individual exception. I see you've tried to bring the subject up a couple of times - I think the only way you're going to get a conclusion (one way or the other) is by a full RFC. Given that any change will have a wide effect, this is the only way to go. WP:CONSISTENCY is policy, and that directs editors to WP:NCBOOKS, so you can't claim WP:LOCALCONSENSUS. --Rob Sinden (talk) 14:34, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

I thought the conclusion was to follow name as used in sources In ictu oculi (talk) 16:19, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

I don't see that. Also, that would cause an inconsistency. I think an RFC is the only way forward, that way any change can be implemented to the guideline. --Rob Sinden (talk) 07:52, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

I'd welcome an RFC one that had more input than the 2 or 3 random users who've played with the current state of that guideline. However be realistic, some authors "Dickens" are known as mononyms, some authors "Smith" (who?) are not. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:31, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

I do see your point, however the counterargument is that it is unlikely that two authors with the surname "Smith" are going to write a novel with the same title, thus "Smith" is sufficient for disambiguation for most cases. Obviously if this was to happen, then we could disambiguate further by using first name. But yeah, RFC it, and see if there is support for a change to the guideline. If I understand the RFC process correctly, it gets advertised on various noticeboards, etc, and on talk pages of editors who have an interest, so it should be widely seen, rather than seen by just the editors who visit the page. It can be manually advertised on various relevant projects too. I'm pretty neutral on the subject personally (and probably won't !vote in either direction), but we should be honouring the guidelines as prescribed. --Rob Sinden (talk) 08:40, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Is it worth it? We're doing fine now. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:42, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

If you want to get the guideline changed, I think it's the only way, as it does have wide-ranging impact. Otherwise you'd have to make the case for every article that you want to move against the guideline. Moving an article to surname only is non-controversial and backed up by the guideline. Moving an article to full name does not have that support (yet). --Rob Sinden (talk) 08:50, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

I am really not that interested, sorry, books are a total backwater. If you want to reopen discussion on the Talk page please go ahead. Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:57, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

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Interesting...

I think that you might have just stumbled across some more WP:PLURALPT and WP:WORLDWIDE issues there... Steel1943 (talk) 18:46, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Yes, well marlins was an obvious mislink - had an incoming from a cartoon about sharks. But I was wrong about seahawks since sea hawk is apparently 2 words. In ictu oculi (talk) 19:53, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

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Heart of the City

I noticed you moved the Barrabás album Heart of the City to Heart of the City (Barrabás album), but I'm not seeing any other album by that name. In this edit [5] you suggest a Jay-Z album, but I can't find any evidence of it. Cheers, Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:49, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

My mistake, that was a DJ mixtape, but there are two other jazz albums mentioned in wikipedia articles. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:16, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Neither of those have articles, so I don't think there's a need to disambiguate the one we have. Bretonbanquet (talk) 18:06, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Sure, okay. Put in tech move. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:13, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, much obliged. Bretonbanquet (talk) 18:27, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

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Sorry about that, I checked the article history and found that an IP had replaced the article entirely with Spanish text (which may or may not be a copyvio). I have reverted the article back to its original English form. lavender|^{(formerly HMSSolent)}|lambast 02:03, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

• (talk page stalker) (edit conflict) @HMSLavender:, you notified the wrong editor. Here's the culprit. Steel1943 (talk) 02:04, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict) See above. I have also removed the WP:PNT entry for this article. lavender|^{(formerly HMSSolent)}|lambast 02:07, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

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• In ictu oculi, I fixed this issue. Turns out that the image was removed from the article in this edit. I added it back. (However, the article where this image belonged was stated on the file's page, so it seems as though the speedy nominator may have overlooked that detail.) Steel1943 (talk) 15:51, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

The usual suspect?

Do we know this person? Favonian (talk) 16:38, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

User:Favonian Yep In ictu oculi (talk) 00:53, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

Moving a page is not a minor edit

You move a lot of pages, often creating DAB pages. Please don't tag these as minor edits - it won't stop other editors from checking them. Btljs (talk) 15:36, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

What are you talking about? A change of title can't be tagged as a minor edit. In ictu oculi (talk) 17:10, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Btljs: All page moves are tagged as minor edits by default. In fact, there is actually no way presently where they cannot be tagged as minor edits. Steel1943 (talk) 18:13, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

My bad. Never noticed that before. How bizarre. Btljs (talk) 18:40, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

That's okay, can see how that impression would have been created by what the probable sock said on your user talk page. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:44, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

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To me you asked a question, and that was the answer

It would seem that I am interpreting that user page differently. I see that you asked a question, and that was the answer. I don't see any reason that the user would be pinging me, not here. Here I am predominantly doing anti-spam work, which is generally not interactive with experienced users. — billinghurst sDrewth 23:03, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

user:billinghurst okay, maybe you are right. Maybe it was an attempt to impersonate you. The account's behaviour is certainly odd. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:39, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

Restarter

Hi In ictu - regarding this edit, I've told you several times before about the impropriety of altering talk page comments after people have responded to the original wording. It can be misleading. So I added an explanatory note after your addition. Please see WP:REDACT and follow that guideline in the future. Thanks. Dohn joe (talk) 13:44, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

It's perfectly correct for someone submitting an RM to clarify/correct their own rationale. If you want to adjust RM rules to say that once template is submitted the RM rationale cannot be adjusted I suggest you open a RFC In ictu oculi (talk) 23:43, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

It's just not okay to change a comment that someone else has responded to without at least noting the change: "Other than minor corrections for insignificant typographical errors made before other editors reply, changes should be noted to avoid misrepresenting the original post." Add it as a separate comment below the original, or underline it as an addition, or explain the change in brackets. Just inserting something with no explanation has a great chance to be misleading and misrepresenting the already established discussion. Dohn joe (talk) 00:01, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Moving xx (album)

I've reverted your page move. This article seems to be the primary topic (as far as articles that could be titled "xx (album)"), considering some of the criteria at WP:PRIMARYTOPIC#Determining a primary topic. Compared to the other articles such as XX (Mushroomhead album), "xx (album)" has been viewed far more times, has more incoming links, and more usage in published sources ( 10.4 million compared to the other article's 326,000, using Google's search engine for instance). Perhaps suggest the move first at WP:RMCM? Dan56 (talk) 14:39, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

User:Dan56 can you please look at WP:PRIMARYTOPIC#Determining a primary topic again, more carefully. I admit it may take a couple of reads but the guideline clearly says that a primary topic cannot have a (disambiguator), there is no such thing as "primary album" "primary footballer" etc. Otherwise we'd have John Smith (footballer) vs John Smith (footballer born 1985) etc. which we don't have. Please kindly restore the band name to the bracket as per WP:NCM. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:37, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Coexist (image)

Hi there In ictu oculi. I wanted to thank you for starting this missing article. Needless to say, you've also altered my opinion in the related move discussion. That's a much better way of changing someone's mind than the endless reverting and arguing that one normally sees here. So, really, thank you for both points. I'll go amend my comments now. 209.211.131.181 (talk) 00:35, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Paulo Barros

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I left the computer. English stub of the Portuguese now created. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:07, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

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Enchanted (film)

Hi there- if you're going to create a disambiguation page at this title, could you please do so and then fix any incoming links? If not, could you please move the page back to the better title? Thanks! Josh Milburn (talk) 13:03, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

There is a dab page Enchanted. We don't have separate dabs for (film), that's only a redirect - I personally think it would be better heading to Enchanted (2007 film), however the editor who just redirected the intermediary dab to baseline is probably correct, see WP:NCF, I just went and caught one template creating 40 mislinks, the others will be a long time to fix. You could repoint at the Disney film in my view. In ictu oculi (talk) 23:55, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Surely if you're the one who moved it, then you're the one responsible for doing something useful with the page and sorting out the backlinks; while you may prefer the new title, that can't justify breaking a lot of links- that's a disservice to our readers and irritating for the authors of other articles. On the other hand, having Enchanted (film) point at Enchanted (Disney film) is just silly- if you're going to do that, you may as well have the Disney film at the better title. Josh Milburn (talk) 12:50, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Well we do have redirects which point at articles not dabs. But anyway WP:NCF is WP:NCF, either way. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:52, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Complaint about your recent move of The Lawsuit

Please see Talk:The Lawsuit (opera)#Requested move 10 November 2015. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 18:21, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Ed, WP:MOVE should cover that. Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:52, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Edits added nothing and broke the link

Hi, I'm sorry if this was too precipitate or rude, but I reverted your two updates to Stockard Channing, which added "(film)" to one movie in an explicitly labeled list of movies and broke the link. The broken link was in the second paragraph, so the edits were effectively never even been smoketested -- even after six hours.

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3 recent moves

• See Talk:Balladeering (album)#Requested move 10 November 2015, Talk:Counterpart (TV series)#Requested move 10 November 2015, Talk:Slights (novel)#Requested move 10 November 2015 again. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 16:23, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Stop refactoring my posts

Stop changing my posts. You've done so twice today. Dohn joe (talk) 19:34, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Problem with editing on a mobile phone, these are minor and evidently not deliberate. In ictu oculi (talk) 19:37, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

I understand, but have a look at your edits before saving. Thanks. Dohn joe (talk) 19:39, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

The Originals

Hallo, While stub-sorting The Originals (The Statler Brothers album) I found quite a confusing set of disambiguations and redirects in the area, before discovering that on 15 April 2015 you'd moved the band to The Originals (band) (edit summary "not primary"), but left The Originals as a redirect to the band with no link from there to the dab page at Original (disambiguation). You don't seem to have cleared up any of the incoming links, the vast majority of which appear to be intended for the band. I've left the base name redirecting to the band, but it should point to the dab page ... but only once the incoming links are cleared up. Could you please have a look at those incoming links and retarget them - there do seem to be some aimed at the TV series, while most are for the band. I've added to the hatnote on the band page to make a link to the redirect, which was previously missing. Thanks. PamD 17:33, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, will have another look at it. Too many "The Originals" to be truly original. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:11, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

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