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Hello , i think you should take a look at article Prek Cali,you should take a look at my work there,every time i add any (real) information (with reference of course) about his biography,they just delete it and say that i have wrote it bad,etc,etc. The unreal information's are hugely supported by administrators,which support Serbian-communist propaganda. They are disinformation with unreal facts,and unreal story's based in Albanian and Yugoslavian communist literature. In every Albanian article they try to dis-inform,everyone,claiming that Kelmendi tribe is serbian,and bla-bla-bla. Its really shameful,i just want to see and read the truth in Wikipedia,not propaganda of Albanians or Serbians! I do not support any propagandist side. All information's that i write are based on real facts and from official history books. AlbertBikaj (talk) 19:22, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
Hello, AlbertBikaj. Yes, I've been following this article since you created it and Antidiskriminator began changing it en masse, which is why I added a series of queries regarding translations of the sources being used (follow the edits to see what I was asking for) until Antidiskriminator pulled me up for tag-bombing.
I understand that there are subjects that simply don't have any English language coverage and am always concerned when it becomes evident that the entire area is highly controversial and prone to POV pushes. I think that, before the article is developed any further, it needs to be seriously examined by asking for genuinely neutral third opinions from editors not engaged with the development. It would be useful if you could ask an Albanian speaker whose English is better than yours to assist in translating your concerns about the sources being used. Obviously, it is in Wikipedia's interest to have a balanced article.
I'll start the ball rolling. Cheers! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 23:06, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
Thank you! Here you got the best written article of Cali's biography,i know that my English is not perfect,i will try to translate from Albanian to English,i dont want to write false facts,im neutral,i never write false facts,i would be grateful if you restore the previous article which i showed to you,im ready to sent to you other informations from books. Here you got the proof,that communists wanted to airbrush Cali from History. Here you got another fact about Cali,the Antidiskriminator wrote that Cali wanted Autonomy republic,which is not true,Cali just wanted to protect Kelmendi from Montenegro,to keep the Kelmendi safe. I apologies,because i have made to much trouble about this topic. AlbertBikaj (talk) 23:21, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. I'll have a read through these. It would certainly indicate that there are two sides to the story and reliable English language sources are preferable to unconfirmed non-English sources. The fact that Isa Blumi has good scholarly credentials certainly won't hurt your case.
As I'll be conferring with other administrators who will be looking at your attitude as well as content, could I suggest that you try to stay calm and avoid uncivil remarks about anyone you are arguing against. I know this is difficult for anyone when English is not their first language and they get overheated in a debate, but trying to keep to the facts and avoiding accusations will influence other parties reviewing the information in a positive way. I'll be in touch again soon. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 23:40, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
My English teacher corrected Cali's biography ,so please take a look on this file,all informations are based in real facts,and in official history of Albania. AlbertBikaj (talk) 08:40, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
Hi, Albert. Okay, I'll take a look at it. Would you mind if I shared it with Fut.Perf. (the other editor who was concerned over the article and sources) to see what he thinks? --Iryna Harpy (talk) 09:30, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
I have one urgent Wikipedia issue to attend to first (which may take a few days), but I'll attend to looking at the Prek Cali article immediately afterwards. You've been very patient and worked hard on it, so I'm sure you can stretch your patience for a few more days. There's no great urgency as Antidiskriminator has also ceased work on it, so at least we've managed to stop edit warring for the moment and there are other neutral parties watching the page. Cheers for now. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 21:21, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
I can wait that's not a problem, in beginning i didnt know how work goes here in WIKI,and im sorry for causing troubles. To be honest i was angry a little bit,cause he is our National Hero (Officially recognized by Albanian state),i have read about him,thats the reason that i know good his biography and propaganda which has been made by Communism in Albania and Yugoslavia. If you dont mind,im going to send to you even some new "chapters" about protection of border (1913-1926). I wanna thank you once again for help. AlbertBikaj (talk) 06:27, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
Please make the changes as soon you can. AlbertBikaj (talk) 16:55, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
I just found a new proof about Prek Cali's biography, the book is written by Albanian scholar Gjekë Gjonaj Prekë Cali, "Piramidë e kufijve të Shqipërisë" (En: "Prek Cali,The pyramid of Albanian border"),this book is reviewed by famous Albanian Historian, Prof.Romeo Gurakuqi he is professor in "European University of Tirana".[1] The corporation with communism theory's are based in Albanian communist Authors! This book denies communist theory about corporation with chetniks,and also dont forget he is officially known as Albanian Hero,and Pride of Albania. The biography which is written is not neutral at all,90% of literature which is used is by Serbian Communist authors! Also dont forget the Isa Blumi reference!
I hope you will do a change because this article is Disinformation! Thank you! 213.133.24.115 (talk) 18:14, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
Hi, Albert. Apologies for the delay. I haven't forgotten about the article and have the relevant information you've sent me bookmarked. Antidiskriminator is also waiting on the information being reviewed, so I need to compare notes on sources and work out how it should be balanced. Naturally, being English Wikipedia, the priority will be given to sources written in the English language.
I've been stuck in a dispute about usage of categories and, since then, the change in government in Ukraine, followed by the Crimean referendum, has resulted in an outbreak of warring on various Eastern Slavic articles. I'll get to Prek Cali as soon as I'm able, but please feel free to remind me should I be delayed for more than a couple of weeks again.
PS remember to log in as yourself. I know we all forget from time to time, but it prevents any accusations of sock puppetry and meat puppetry! Cheers! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 00:09, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
Here you got something about Prek Cali,[2]this book is written by Albanian priest Zef Pllumi. Also please change the origin of Kelmendi region,its ridicules to claim that Kelmendi tribe is serbia. AlbertBikaj (talk) 12:39, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
Here is another strong proof, the book of Uran Butka,albanian scholar,historian and ocular witness, in his book "Ringjallje"(En: Reborn) in page 120 here you got the conversation of Prenk (Preng) Cali with Mehmet Shehu Albanian partisan (communist) (ALB: " Kur na çuen ke shtabi i batalionit, në Rrapsh të Hotit, Mehmet Shehu, u ndodh ballë për ballë me Prek Calin: - E, Prekë Cali, - i tha Mehmeti, - të pat ardhur dita ta mbyllesh historinë tënde me shkronja ari, po të bëheshe me ne! Pse bëre kështu? - Zotni, - iu përgjigj Prekë Cali, - faji bie mbi ju, se ju u batë aleat me anmikun shekullor tonin, me Serbin.”) (EN: When they took us to the battalion headquarters in Rapsha of Hoti, Mehmet Shehu saw Prek Cali andsaid to him :"Your history would be written in gold,if you were in our side. Why did you do this ? ", Prek Cali replied : "The blame falls on you because you choose to ally with our sworn enemy,Serbia"AlbertBikaj (talk) 13:10, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
An Englishman in Albania: memoirs of a British officer 1929-1955
Here is another proof about Communist propaganda(Communist said that Cali is traitor) in book of Stan Sherer, Marjorie Senechal"Long life to your children!: a portrait of High Albania" ,or in another book,written by Albanian scholar Elmas Leci ,"Kush i Vrau? Perse i denuan" (EN "Who killed them? Why they were punished?") ,or Isa Blumi book or the book of Pejtër Pepa "The Criminal file of Albania's communist dictator" etc. Im going to do another research if its needed. But please change as fast you can the article. Because the books in serbian are based on communist books like this one "Heronjt e Heshtun" (Silent heros) written by Communist Albanian state which claims that Cali and other Albanian hero's were traitors... I think here you got a lot of strong proofs.
Okay, AlbertBikaj. Thanks for the extra references you've provided. I'm stuck in discussions and disputes over the Crimea accession on a number of articles and noticeboards at the moment. I WILL get to Prenk Cali as a first priority as soon as it quietens down a little. Please bear with me as the incident has created a lot of turmoil, POV and disruptive editing. Passions are running high and affecting many articles about Eastern Slavs. Sorry! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 23:45, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
No problem,just dont forget to make the change on his biography,cause with this "biography" (which is written according to communist books he looks like a traitor). Thank youAlbertBikaj (talk) 05:52, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
-Dear Iryna Harpy,i made changes on Prek Cali,i added the reverences which i showed to you,and i hope you or any one else wont delete it,because this is the real story,the past one was according communist literature. If i have made any grammar mistake please correct it. I hope you will understand me. AlbertBikaj (talk) 17:58, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
I'm not going to touch it at the moment, but I can't vouch for anyone else editing the page. Personally, I don't think the title 'Communist Propaganda' is appropriate. If it does get reverted, I can go back to your current edits when I get a moment and work out how to split it between one school of thought and another. I'm still seriously tied up in getting various Ukrainian and Russian articles about Crimea on track. It's taking up virtually all of my time, so don't panic if your content changes for the Prek Cali article are reverted as it's next on my list to sort out. Most importantly, don't engage in edit wars over the article because you won't win and will only get yourself blocked. Take a deep breath and remember that any propaganda there won't be there for long. It's better to have the article balanced and well sourced for future reference in the long run than end up having it remain with biased information permanently because you can't work on it at all. Cheers! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 05:08, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
Note: Still retaining so it doesn't get archived until I find time to get to it. Research heavy. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 04:56, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
Thqldpxm
Thanks for your attention to Thqldpxm's editing, would you prefer it if I stopped commenting on the editor's talk page so there's only one conversation, considering the language difficulty?Keith-264 (talk) 06:17, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
I'm not sure that it will make much difference... but, yes, give the user a chance to respond to me. If you could check tomorrow as to whether there's been any further activity in terms of editing and give me a shout out one way or the other, that'd be useful. I could do with a reminder call considering the number of articles, DRN, ANI, RfC and other 'stuff' I'm buried in.
If there's a language difficulty, I should be able to recruit someone who knows their native language fairly quickly. I don't want to penalise someone who's just overly-enthusiastic for being enthusiastic. Nevertheless, at the moment Thqldpxm is wreaking havoc. Cheers! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 06:34, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
Note: Retaining to prevent archiving until issue is definitely resolved. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 04:57, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
Apologize and Explanation unexplained remove
If you are offended by my edit, I apologize. My response is slow. I am very sorry
I do not speak English well, sorry Please understand. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thqldpxm (talk • contribs) 14:24, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
Note: Preventing archiving. Not sure that problems caused by poor English and difficulty in explaining rationale for battlebox changes has been resolved. Need to check back on situation. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 04:59, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
I won't be able to get around to chasing it up until next week as I'm going on holiday (not even a laptop) until next weekend. You might need to take it to an ANI to curtail his/her activities in the interim. I'll check in as soon as I've returned. Leave me a message here to let me know how you're getting on. Best of luck! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 22:35, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, best wishes for the holliers.Keith-264 (talk) 06:07, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
Note: User's inability to communicate in English is extremely problematic, particularly when dealing with battleboxes (or infoboxes of any description). It can't even guaranteed that the user understands the contents, parameters or usage for English Wikipedia. May need to seek admin advice if user starts editing again. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 05:02, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
A fair word of advice
As I also explained to you on the talk page your Machiavellian methods of resolving disputes are unacceptable and have effectively forfeited the fact that we should have any normal discussion. Your attempt to undermine my editorial credibility by attacking my supposed ethnic and religious background whilst being generally rude and sarcastic [1] is breach of WP:CIVIL, WP:FAITH, and WP:PERSONAL whilst also establishing a WP:BATTLEGROUND here. [2] Not to mention the fact that you are tossing around threats of ANI and "formal venues" as if they were grass seed. Just make sure to keep in mind WP:BOOMERANG will you. Praxis Icosahedron ϡ (TALK) 14:54, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
Dear User:Iryna Harpy, you challenged User:Praxis Icosahedron on talk:Islam in Bosnia and Herzegovina, that if he were a Sunni Muslim bosniak then he may not be able to remain neutral on this topic. I am asking you the same question. User peaceworld is a devout Ahmadi Muslim. Will he remain neutral when it comes to Sunni Islam and ahmadiyya movement. Seriously speeking, user peaceworld has a great influence on me too. I used to be neutral while editing Islam related articles but thanks to his pro-Ahmadi edits I have become pro-Sunni, pro-Shia.Septate (talk) 06:20, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
If you don't believe me, please have a look at the edit history of Intercalation (timekeeping), see the edit made by user peaceworld(Obvious POV and pro-Ahmadi) which I reverted. This is one of the thousands of the examples of his pro-ahmadi edits. I need you explanation.Septate (talk) 06:29, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for pointing out that focal ambiguity, Septate. Clearly, though, there is a lack of good faith with the user in question being quick to attempt the unjustified incrimination and undermining of editors she may not agree with or understand, effectively pointing to a battleground mentality as already demonstrated. The user, moreover, quite unnecessarily brings the matter to a head by engaging in "private" deliberation with "Peaceworld" where she "envisages" the matter going to the administrator's noticeboard because dispute resolution would apparently be futile. In fact, the user has not yet demonstrated the sincere will to hear out or truly understand the counter arguments. I firstly welcome an honest and sincere dialogue between the editors involved characterized by a genuine intention to understand each other, and in case that leads no where, dispute resolution or a request for comment. The so far only incident about the whole situation that would actually warrant ANI is Iryna Harpy's inappropriate behaviour. WP:TPNO for example ordains Do not ask for another's personal details. Let us try to avoid shooting ourselves in the foot.Praxis Icosahedron ϡ (TALK) 01:28, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
Praxis Icosahedron and Septate - In case you have not noticed the tag on the top of this and my user page, I've only just managed to troubleshoot my computer in order to keep it going until my new computer arrives, at which point I'll need to configure the new one. Hopefully, this will all be accomplished by the end of the week.
In the meantime, you're more that welcome to start an ANI into my "Machiavellian" editing behaviour, points of civility... plus all of the other supposedly WP:TE I have deployed against the both of you. After all, it is abundantly clear that you are neutral editors whose AGF and impeccable credentials stand on their own merits for any neutral administrator to see. Looking forward to discussing the issue of WP:OWN, as well as a persisting inability to understand my "bureaucratic" position regarding the difference between the WP:TITLE and the content (title = "Islam in Bosnia and Herzegovina" / title ≠ "Bosniaks" / title ≠ "Islamization of Bosnia and Herzegovina".
Incidentally, Septate, take care with invoking WP:TPNO after describing Peaceworld as "... thanks to his pro-Ahmadi edits I have become pro-Sunni, pro-Shia." and user talk page sections with your POV and quizzing Peaceworld as to personal opinions. Praxis, after your characterisations of me as opposed to your AGF editing and edit summaries, as well as "discussions" earlier in the year, yes... I would seriously be concerned about WP:BOOMERANG per WP:IUC: "You need to learn boundaries, honestly. You're always welcome to stalk my page if you like. I'm flattered. Just beware of WP:WIKISTALKING. Like I said, I will not be discussing with a person who so deliberately creates an oppressive personal environment." Wikistalking? Oppressive personal environment (my querying where the content is going is "oppressive" to you)? Finally, there is nothing invidious about my missive on Peaceworld's talk page as I am fully aware the you both have that talk page on your watchlist (i.e., rather sharp don't you think, Septate?). For the moment, happy editing to you both; and be careful of "focal ambiguities". --Iryna Harpy (talk) 06:27, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
I will not be editing this article for quite some time. Do away with it best you like. Cheers. I'm disappointed it should have to be this way. And for your information, I am an agnostic. Praxis Icosahedron ϡ (TALK) 06:33, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
I'm sorry that you've taken this personally, Praxis Icosahedron. My only concern was not giving some form of very brief acknowledgement be given to forms of Islam in the contemporary nation-state, and have no intention of making any changes other than a nodding, but not UNDUE, reference in the lead. Should Peaceworld, or any others, try to use it as a WP:COATRACK, I would/will be just as persistent about tossing anything undue out. I truly do strive for neutrality and the kind of information a reader would expect to encounter. It's a pity our paths have crossed in such an unpleasant manner as I certainly feel that you are one of the good ones. Cheers! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 06:50, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
Dear User:Iryna Harpy, you mentioned that the article is (title = "Islam in Bosnia and Herzegovina" / title ≠ "Bosniaks" / title ≠ "Islamization of Bosnia and Herzegovina". But my dear fellow the article before my edit stated the following thing The Bosniaks are predominantly Muslim by religion, the majority of which are Sunni Muslims who subscribe to the Hanafi school of thought, while a minority are Shia Muslims subscribing to the Twelvers school of thought. There are also a small number who subscribe to the Ahmadiyya school of thought. Can you explain this? This statement is clearly about religion of Bosniaks not Islam in Bosnia. Furthermore, it doesnot distinguish between whether minority of bosniaks are Ahmadi or minority of Bosnians are Ahmadi.
Regarding my question about homosexuality, I only asked it for my own information. I didn't want to hurt peaceworld. The only thing that went wrong was that neither peaceworld nor you would expect me being gay. But its true that I am homosexual but I hate being homosexual (That's my personal matter). I know Sunni and Shia views regarding gays but not about Ahmadi views. I hope you would understand.Septate (talk) 07:39, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
My humble suggestion would be to stop wastage of time. Peaceworld should provide a reliable source regarding ahmadis in Bosnia (plz don't give book source because no one can verify it) and mention ahmadis at the right place in the article which they deserve.Septate (talk) 07:47, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
Dear all, I am not interested in writing chunks of paragraphs to defend myself (which I could). I'd just like to say that having a particular editing interest is no crime.@User:Septate, User:Praxis Icosahedron--Peaceworld 11:37, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
Help with translation?
I'm looking for a bit of help with translation of a map from the Russian Wikipedia. Under the heading География действий at the page Вооружённый конфликт на востоке Украины (2014), there is a good map of all the battles that have taken place in Donetsk and Luhansk. I'd like such a map for our 2014 insurgency in Donetsk and Luhansk article, but I can't at all figure out how to translate it and transfer it over here. Do you think you could help me get that map into our article? Or perhaps you know someone that can? RGloucester — ☎ 22:43, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
It's based on a generic map using a template available in Russian Wikipedia. If there's an English version of the template, I could put it together in a half an hour or so. The problem is that I don't know if there is a corresponding English Wikipedia template. I'll search around, but will ping Ezhiki and Ymblanter in case they can help out. —Iryna Harpy (talk) 03:31, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks very much. RGloucester — ☎ 03:33, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
Okay, I've found the correlating template and have made a start on the map here. There are still a few hidden comments in need of being translated, plus the visible translations are rough. You might want to change the titles and descriptions from the sandbox map, or by leaving comments on its corresponding talk page. Cheers! —Iryna Harpy (talk) 05:58, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
Perfect! I really appreciate it. RGloucester — ☎ 06:03, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
Editor of the Week
Editor of the Week
Your ongoing efforts to improve the encyclopedia have not gone unnoticed: You have been selected as Editor of the Week, for being so kind to others and calming down many edit wars. Thank you for the great contributions! (courtesy of the Wikipedia Editor Retention Project)
I nominate Iryna Harpy as Editor of the Week. She approaches all matters in good faith and has her heart in the right "humanitarian" place. She gets involved with calming down many edit wars, POV pushing and editor disputes. She steps into conflicts and makes clear, understandable distinctions for both sides. She works on articles about ex-Soviet republics, the Balkans and the Middle East, fighting POV fanatics and is willing to expend inordinate amounts of time following their trails and reverting where necessary. She is happy to avail herself in discussions surrounding content and has cultivated an ability to remain as objective as is possible...."committed to accessibility without sacrificing comprehension". In her own words she "lives the life of the NPOV Wikipedian, happy to clarify distinctions". A fellow editor thanked her for "..disagreeing without being disagreeable". Not many editors can get that level of acclaim.
You can copy the following text to your user page to display a user box proclaiming your selection as Editor of the Week:
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You deserve this award for your outstanding work. Thank you. JimCarter(talk) 11:30, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
Congratulations! You deserve this award, surely. Your civil stalwartness is much appreciated. RGloucester — ☎ 15:51, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
Congratulations from me as well. You are doing a great job, even though it may often seem that no one notices. Some do! :)—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); June 30, 2014; 16:15 (UTC)
Please help
Please have a look at this and help if possible, I have no idea who to turn to with this so I'm trying to contact more experienced Wikipedians that I've come across.
Yes, I do agree to an extent. There are some editors who have a high profile in having refactored history (or Polonized it dramatically in the past, although Polish editors are not the only Slavic editors to do so). I don't think that writing a comment on the Polish article talk page is going to get results. The only way to address the issue is to actually find evidence of the WP:CHERRYpicking and refactoring, then take the individuals before an AN/I. Some may have already been involved in arbitration and sanctions (you can follow various links from these arbitration and sanctions cases to a number of dedicated pages). --Iryna Harpy (talk) 01:59, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
You don't own this Wikipedia
If you don't understand (doesn't make any sense), read books rather than removing the truth.Xx236 (talk) 06:46, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
You are not making any sense whatsoever. I know you love using article talk pages as a WP:SOAPBOX, but you don't belong here. In fact, you're WP:NOTHERE! I certainly don't own Wikipedia, but I know a WP:TROLL when I come across one. Take your forum babble to an actual forum, or write your own blog. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 10:22, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
Possible page about the Ukrainian community in Portugal
Iryna, since you're of Ukrainian descent and I am from Portugal, and Portugal, by what I've seen, has the 2nd largest Ukrainian community in Western Europe (only behind Italy), with between 40-150 thousand people (figure from wikipedia), do you think it could be a good idea to start a page about this community, in Portugal? I'd be very glad to contribute for such eventual page!Mondolkiri1 (talk) 22:14, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
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No, the issue hasn't been resolved. The map suggested by Giorgi doesn't include several states and regions in which the Russian language is official. I completely agree with you in the sense that there is enough edit warring, and you returning the incorrect map doesn't help. We cannot ignore the official status of the Russian language in the regions. --WhyHellWhy (talk) 02:50, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
Just in case you didn't see it, this revision's edit summary mentioned you. Dustin(talk) 18:22, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads up, Dustin. This user has been problematic and confrontational since becoming a contributor earlier in the year. Time to report him/her for edit warring. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 22:55, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
It was no problem. Dustin(talk) 23:03, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
Impersonation
We've both been impersonated today, by horrid sock-puppets of L'Aquotique. Please note that none of the comments on Hilltrot's talk page came from me. They were all made by RGloucaster (talk·contribs). I've really been made a fool of. I'm surprised you didn't catch it, to be honest, as that fellow sounds nothing like me, and I'm sure you are aware that I spent a ton of time arguing against inclusion of that paragraph back when we first found it in the text a few months ago. Regardless, L'Aquotique did not stop there. He/she also tried to impersonate you with Iryna Harpey (talk·contribs). This has confused Hilltrot into harbouring some distaste for me, and I'm not sure how to remedy the situation. Regardless, I just wanted to make this a bit clear. Keep on the lookout for more of these little socks… RGloucester — ☎ 04:42, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
I wasn't directly involved, but I happened upon the discussion on Hilltrot's page when it was first created, so I came back to it at one point, and when I looked at the page history and saw edits by RGloucaster, I was like, "that is not right". I remember that RGloucester's name was derived from Richard, Duke of Gloucester (yeah, I tend to remember stuff like that and whatnot), so I went to the page and discovered that it was a sock puppet of that user L'Aquotique. After that, I struck through the false comments to help, and it was not a problem. One of the sockmasters I deal with is far more persistent and insulting than L'Aquotique. This sockmaster has used over 200 false accounts and over 200 individual IP addresses. L'Aquotique isn't a problem compared to this user, but I am still sorry that you have been impersonated, though. Dustin(talk) 05:33, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
I've dealt with other sockmasters who cause more disruption, but I've never had one try to have a conversation with his/herself, for no real reason that I can see. Most sockmasters, in my experience, have a goal or target. I know one, for example, that insists on using Imperial units in all articles, and creates endless accounts for the purpose of Imperialising the project. This fellow just appears to be trolling for no reason other than to troll, has no goal, and enjoys talking to his/herself. Pretty queer, if I do say so. RGloucester — ☎ 05:40, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
What a trite, vacuous little life this insidious piece of vermin must lead. Le k'nickers to L'Aquotique! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 05:50, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
Some might consider that tempting the vandals, so proceed with caution. In any case, the sockmaster I am dealing with only started vandalizing after getting blocked for a different reason. Dustin(talk) 05:54, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
This is completely unimportant, but that name "L'Aquotique" sounds French for some reason. Well, that's all I will say for now. Dustin(talk) 05:55, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
Probably should be reported. I'd certainly understand this person to be psychologically capable of self-harm. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 06:06, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
It was a several days ago, and L'Aquotique has obviously not killed him/herself. While it's most likely an empty threat, perhaps we should discuss this tomorrow; if L'Aquotique was being honest, then the account L'Aquotique is only a sock puppet of yet another sockmaster. (I won't be able to do much for another 8.5 hours or so; I am going to bed). Dustin(talk) 06:10, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
Okay. It is probably worth discussing (just in case). Unstable personalities can do harm other than commit suicide... but, yes, probably just an empty threat. Sleep well, and we'll talk in the morning. Goodnight! —Iryna Harpy (talk) 06:16, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
I've already asked about that particular remark at one of the SPI cases. The checkuser said that those two accounts are not related. As far as the name of the user, it was meant to be an impersonation of User:L'Aquatique. Originally, before the page was deleted, L'Aquotique had copied L'Aquatique's user-page, to make one think he/she was a sysop. If you look at many of the accounts used by him/her, they follow a pattern of impersonation. RGloucester — ☎ 06:21, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
Hmm. Sounds as though it's someone who's more interested in going out with a bang rather than a whimper... but unlikely to actually be interested in the bang. I suppose there isn't much to be done other than to leave it with the checkusers. As atypical as the behaviour is for a standard troll, it doesn't seem likely that they are interested in actually engaging with anyone other than themselves. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 06:34, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
I think it may be French after all; L'Aquatique appears to translate to "The Water". Also thanks to RGloucester for dealing with the BjeliRabac issue before I even brought it up. Also, while not as severe in reality, I believe I once heard a checkuser say something like "a dog dies every other time we block a user" (when the users they are blocking threaten to "shoot their dogs"). So maybe there is something to the threats, but there most likely isn't. Dustin(talk) 14:45, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
Sadly, cyberspace is the ultimate domain for anonymity and lack of accountability. Sad, frustrated and downright malicious personalities are going to be attracted. We can't deal with every one of them on a personal level, nor should we feel ourselves liable for their actions. Just look at the subject matter we deal with: as if that weren't tragic and horrifying enough. The one thing I finally managed to learn in my professional life was to switch off at a point at which I realised I had done all I could for an individual. Whoever this person may be, I can only hope they find their own way to coming to terms with existence without inflicting themselves on others (including helpless animals). The world is a complex and hostile place for too many already. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 22:39, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
Yes, I caught up with the discussion this morning (as it's on my watchlist). I'm just going to check around for other sources and comment on the page. Cheers! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 23:39, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
Revert of IP editor
Discussion regarding use of South-East Ukraine moved to Talk:Ukraine page.
Please take notice of Religion in Germany. A user is modifying lede and removing sourced material without proper con census. I cannot revert his edits because I am a mobile user.Thanks.Septate (talk) 14:59, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
Okay. I've left my opinion on the relevant talk page. In this instance, I think you need to produce some solid arguments for introducing the supplementary content. Personally, my preference is for relying on an official census unless it is extremely dated or has been identified as having unequivocal fundamental flaws (such the Russian census). I'll take a look at the article in detail in the next couple of days in order to establish whether supplementary information from reliable sources can and should be worked into the content. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 01:23, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
Minor business
Ms Harpy, I was wondering if you could help me with some minor business. I've added some information to 2014 insurgency in Donbass from this OSCE report. It mentions a place in Kharkiv Oblast called "Havrishi", but I can find no trace of this place on any maps, or in any Google searches. I figured that this was some kind of transliteration error, or something like that, but I can't seem to figure it out. I'd like to be able to know where it is, so that I can verify the account for the sake of the article. I thought I'd ask if you could transliterate the name back into Cyrillic, so that perhaps I can look for it on Ukrainian/Russian maps or on the Ukrainian/Russian Wikipedia. Thanks very much in advance. RGloucester — ☎ 21:39, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
Hi, Richard. It appears to be (coordinates) Havryshi in Bohodukhiv Raion. Hope this helps... and, please, call me Iryna. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 00:15, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks very much, Iryna! That was giving me a headache. RGloucester — ☎ 00:19, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
It actually took me about 15 minutes to work it out! My first response was to think that the 'aitch' could be wrong. OSCE simply confused the transliteration of 'y' and 'i'. It's amazing how little it takes to throw everything into confusion. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 00:27, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
Francis Brabrazon
Thank you for your ongoing interest. SaintAviator talk 08:12, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
You're welcome! Unfortunately, we started off on the wrong foot, for which I apologise. I'll continue keeping my eye on the article in case POV pushers from any side decide to turn it into something less than encyclopaedic and informative. Cheers! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 01:42, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
Irnya I apologise too. I think we fought because we are alike. Lol. Anyway I checked out your WP contributions and like your inputs. You are fair and even tempered. SaintAviator talk 23:26, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
I suspect we're both sticklers for policy... and that can sometimes come off as being inadvertently bullish. While Wikipedia is a magnificent concept, we're all at the disadvantage of only being able to communicate via missives rather than face-to-face. Happy editing! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 00:10, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
Agree with that. Lol. BTW, just opened a soc investigation here. Guys becoming uncivil too. [[3]]. SaintAviator talk 06:51, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
Okay, I've just added the investigation page to my watchlist. I'm logging out for the day, but will check in on how things are progressing tomorrow. Cheers for now! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 06:57, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in.
This message is being sent to let you know of a discussion at the Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard regarding a content dispute discussion you may have participated in. Content disputes can hold up article development and make editing difficult for editors. You are not required to participate, but you are both invited and encouraged to help find a resolution.
Please join us to help form a consensus. Thank you!. You are being notified because you tried to reason with another editor, not because of any issues with your behavior. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:54, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
Ms. Harpy,
You are actually really bothering me. I don't really understand what you are talking about, and you are making me afraid. I ask your assistance in resolving this matter either by you explaining what you are saying to me without using links or slang or by directing me how to make a grievance against you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.164.226.48 (talk) 01:32, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
Please don't panic, 75.164.226.48. The above notice refers to a completely unrelated matter. Please do not be intimidated by the 'slang'. I am merely providing you with links to policies and guidelines relevant to your use of talk pages. The notices on your IP talk page/s (as I've noted, you appear to have a dynamic IP, meaning that your ISP constantly resets your IP address so that it doesn't point to the same IP address each time you leave a comment) are for your edification pertaining to Wikipedia rules for editing and interacting with other editors. Please make a little time to read these 'rules' in order that you understand the methodology for contributing to Wikipedia. I am not reprimanding you, but am trying to help you out should be be interested in becoming a Wikipedian. Happy editing! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 01:56, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
So what exactly are you talking about: I believe you wrote that I have not provided proper sourcing in the freedom of speech talk page?75.164.226.48 (talk) 02:05, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
That is correct. You have been discussing the matter in abstractions rather than providing reliable secondary sources to illustrate and support your contentions. In order to discuss changing the content of an article, the onus is on you provide sources (not simply personal opinions or analogies which are original research). Neither is it considered appropriate to leave messages on other editor's pages positioning yourself as an authority over and above that editor. Wikipedia policy is very clear on this matter: "Do not make personal attacks anywhere in Wikipedia. Comment on content, not on the contributor." --Iryna Harpy (talk) 22:28, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
Personal Note
My wife is a Russian-speaking Ukrainian and her "Ukrainian" name was Iryna as well (used in all official documents, passport, etc.). She changed it to Irina when she got her US citizenship. Of course, no matter how they spell it, Americans still call her "Eye-reen-uh". --Taivo (talk) 22:53, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
Tfoo! My name was Anglicised to Irene. Initially, I would ask friends and colleagues to call me Iryna, but it almost invariably came out as "Eye-reen-uh". I've opted to go back to Irene simply because it doesn't make me want to punch them as much as the horrendously bastardised variant. Just call me Chuckles! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 23:48, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
Russia GDP misleading information
Iryna the information on your edit change on Russia's GDP[4] needs to be addressed referring to Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard "Talk:Russia#MISTAKE IN RANKING NOMINAL GDP.It's 9th![5] which user Gladio4772 has been acting on ip hoping pushing the same discussion on anti Russian statements by creating new user names and pushing the same agenda (Russia GDP, denouncing Russia as a superpower, Russia kicked out of G8 and more - links of ip's and user names history down below. So I am reporting this problem with the administrator's on Gladio4772.
Gladio4772's is ip hoping and using user names on this adenge, his history is here[6] and ip as 151.40.13.125 for disruptive ip hoping on these same discussions, speaking against Russia in all ip’s I found below have been using. All the same editor, all ip addresses are from Florence Italy. I am reporting his comments as all the same wording slamming disruptive edits against Russia since 2013 that this is not effective when users like this are disruptive and are doing the opposite. See the links of the contributes starting July 8, 2014 - 151.40.13.161[7] , July 7, 2014 151.40.45.125[8], March 17, 2014 - 151.40.95.82[9], April 2013 - Bocca Trabaria[10], March 2014 - 151.40.24.9 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/151.40.24.9], March 2014 -151.40.7.192[11], Sept 23, 2013 - 151.40.18.30[12], Sept 15, 2013 - 151.40.55.125[13], March 18, 2014 - 151.40.35.236[14], March 18, 2014 - 151.40.9.149[15], March 17, 2014 - 151.40.72.141[16], March 16, 2014 - 151.40.14.179[17], March 16, 2014 - 151.40.83.17[18], March 15, 2014 - 151.40.69.199[19], March 15, 2014 - 151.40.34.218[20], March 15, 2014 - 151.40.120.19[21], Feb 4, 2014 - 151.40.63.30[22], Feb 4, 2014- 151.40.16.167[23], Dec 28, 2013 - 151.40.107.93[24], Dec 27, 2013 - 151.40.27.25[25], Dec 27, 2013 - 151.40.64.77[26], Dec 25, 2013 - 151.40.54.32[27], Dec 23, 2013 - 151.40.41.170[28], Dec 22, 2013 - 151.40.9.139[29], Sept 8, 2013 - 151.40.102.200[30], August 14, 2013 - 151.40.125.50[31], May 10, 2013 – Mediolanum[32], Oct 22, 2013 - Glc72[33], May 21, 2013 - 151.40.11.180[34], May 14, 2013 -151.40.59.151[35], May 14, 2013 - 151.40.60.108[36], May 11, 2013 - Bocca_Trabaria[37]
Gladio4772 you’re not fooling anybody with your ip hoping pushing on your anti Russian statements on the same subjects.
I will respond to your missive on the "Russia" talk page where you have posted the identical information. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 23:42, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
1)Please Iryna i ask you to correct 8th referred to nominal gdp also at the start of the article.It' seems that Russia is 8th by 2014.The citation aside is referred to 2013.
2)I'd like to be your friend ...if you like).Image now not only i consider you a lot but make you as gift also flowers)I like a lot callas)If i could i give you a star to recognize what you did ,but i think i can send jsut flowrs,the best ones).Gladio4772 (talk) 05:40, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
Yes, I've found it in the lead and have changed it to 9th there, too. So, between us, we've established that there were three instances of the wrong ranking. Do you mean calla lilies? I LOVE calla lilies, so thank you for the gift! Incidentally, I also have bipolar disorder, so you don't need to explain what it's like when you're going through a bad patch. I understand it very, very well. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 05:57, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
Thank a lot.I feel you now so close.I think that people with particular problems (not too great that can't be managed) should be helped and not hit in Wikipedia.This would be civil for a site like this.You acted in a wonderful way.In the past (some years ago) i wrote totally or partially several articles on Wikipedia, then i stopped because of ill).In the real life i'm Giosue' Lorenzo Campi and i'm in Linkedin .If you are there....as you like).I admire you!)Gladio4772 (talk) 06:06, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
No, I no longer have an account with linkedin since I retired from work. I am here, though, on most days. Wikipedia actually has all sorts of volunteers with disabilities contributing, and is a very tolerant and friendly community. Sadly, that's not to say that there aren't intolerant people here. Some articles and users can be very difficult and unpleasant at times. Cheers for now. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 06:27, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
To you too).My email is giosuecampi@libero.it.I'm always open to you!Always).Gladio4772 (talk) 07:16, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
Iryna 64...is lasting in attacking me in areally disturbing way.I suppose he his the same person with IP 198......How can i block them?Gladio4772 (talk) 09:49, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
Please Iryna explain you to Keithbob in few words.You are better than me in explaining all).Gladio4772 (talk) 18:35, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
2014 insurgency in Donbass
It's ok :). I will update this map every day and if you have an account in Commons, let me invite you to fix or update it. Cheers. --201.252.4.163 (talk) 00:38, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
Cheers! Yes, I do have an account at Wiki Commons as part of my global account. You can leave me a message there. I'll also put the commons map on my watchlist. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 00:42, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
Do not remove content from stable version that existed over long time
The dates concerning formation of Armeninan statehood where part of stable revision over long time, that where removed by User:Yerevantsi. I simply reedited them, and now you've undone it. Obviously, you are biased, and pretend to know my own history better then I do, although I had it as a mandatory course over 4 years. I undid now the action of User:Yerevantsi (ironcially not from yerevan, but Georgia), who previously removed the dates that made up the whole picture of creation of Armenian statehood. Please refrain from biased actions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aleko rubin (talk • contribs) 14:46, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
Have you seen my comments at the editor's talk page? Dougweller (talk) 08:03, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
@Dougweller: Yes, I did. That's why I just added a template warning for the editor as a 'heads up' for you as to his/her continuing substantive changes without edit summaries, and wielding a BATTLEGROUND approach to other editors.
I'm going to leave a talkback notice on his/her page. Hopefully, when their block has expired, I'll try to calm them down and stop assuming bad faith, personal attacks, etc. The lack of editors of Armenian descent whose English is more than basic is a problem. As so much of the information on various Armenia-related articles is poorly sourced, I'm predisposed to encouraging potential editors to work on their contribution skills. Yerevantsi is a well established Wikipedian therefore, rightly or wrongly, I'm prone to favour his content over that of a new contributor who's behaviour smacks of NOTHERE. I guess we can only see how it goes. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 05:21, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
Gladio4772
There are two sockpuppet investigations into the users who were edit-warring on Russia. (I wouldn't have noticed that edit-war except for the shouting.) Gladio4772 is at least thought to be a sock-puppet of a blocked user. (As you know, that is another way to become a blocked user oneself.) There appear to be two sock-puppet farms, one pro-Russian and one anti-Russian. Gladio4772 is alleged to be one of the anti-Russian sock-puppets. We shall see. Robert McClenon (talk) 13:30, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
Okay, Robert McClenon. Despite his/her call out for assistance above, I haven't interacted with the user since clearing up the fisticuffs regarding GDP statistics. I have zero interest in working with, or siding with anyone who can't contribute civilly, despite the fact that they were correct about a minute detail in the content. I would have preferred to ignore that skirmish, but the DRN forced my hand in trying to sort it out. Cheers for the heads up! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 00:18, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
I don't really want to be involved any more than I can either. As an American, I have no personal interest in that part of the GDP ranking. I just thought you might want to know that he appears to be a sock-puppet and that we have two sock-farms. Yuck. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:08, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
Hardly anything new for Eastern Europe. I suspect that they're in competition with the Middle East for cornering the sock exchange. Bad puns aside, I'm used to it. While it's best to avoid stepping into their lairs, I'm certain more of my time and energy is spent on fighting off POV pushers, discussing use of sources at the RSN, and staving off edit wars by encouraging the use of article talk pages than in improving the quality of articles. I must have a back-burner list as long as "War and Peace" by now. It's a yuck job, but someone has to be masochistic enough to do it. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 03:44, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
Hello, Iryna Harpy. Please check your email; you've got mail! It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.
I've sent you an e-mail, so I can send you an attachment with a pdf of the chapters about UPA. best Faustian (talk) 13:41, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
Note: Still retaining so it doesn't get archived until I find time to get to it. Research heavy. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 04:56, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
--Iryna Harpy (talk) 06:37, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
