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Administrators' newsletter – December 2020

News and updates for administrators from the past month (November 2020).

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Scripts++ Newsletter – Issue 18

teahouse post - new article

Thanks for your reply in teahouse. I am really new and could use some help in providing sources so that someone with experience can develop a new article on the Arch of Healing and Reconciliation in Bellingham, WA, installed in 2018. Because I was involved in this project and also have no experience with wikipedia, I don't think I should write the article. What do you suggest? Paul Pengles (talk) 20:46, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi there Pengles, and thank you for wanting to contribute to Wikipedia, it's people like you that allow this project to thrive. Since you have disclosed that you have a conflict of interest with the topic subject for the article you wish to create, I recommend also disclosing it on your userpage. A Wikipedia article about yourself, a friend or company is not necessarily a good thing, as the tone of it may sound promotional and contain puffery. However, if you really want to continue, these are the next steps:
Articles generally require significant coverage
in reliable sources
that are independent of the topic.
After a quick Google search, I can't find any sources that seem to meet the criteria above, so I don't think the article is notable enough for an article. I generally suggest against creating an article, until the arch meets the criteria above. Chances are, if it was notable, someone would've already created an article about it. — Yours, Berrely •  TalkContribs 21:21, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Berrely - Thanks so much. The sources on the Arch are many. I'm listing some newspaper, blog, and radio stories such as the following (some are local and some from other countries such as India):

https://www.bellinghamherald.com/news/local/article209486804.html https://www.bellinghamherald.com/news/local/article209640944.html https://www.nwpb.org/2018/04/19/arch-of-healing-remembers-anti-immigrant-history-in-bellingham/ https://www.seattletimes.com/pacific-nw-magazine/satpal-singh-sidhu-puts-a-public-face-on-whatcom-countys-increasingly-integrated-sikh-population/ https://www.southasianpost.com/article/7051-bellingham-monument-honours-sikh-immigrant-community.html https://wp.wwu.edu/theasreview/2018/04/24/arch-of-healing-and-reconciliation-unveiled/ https://medium.com/@galenherz/making-never-again-a-reality-in-bellingham-abdc23f62213 http://www.whatcombar.org/docs/WCBJ_September_2017.pdf https://www.indiawest.com/news/global_indian/arch-of-healing-structure-commemorates-1907-anti-sikh-riots-in-bellingham-washington/article_d6882986-8eab-11e7-b3c7-57f584a60268.html https://www.hindustantimes.com/punjab/110-years-after-racial-riots-against-early-sikh-immigrants-an-arch-of-healing-in-us-city/story-SjlbkYZ4r4cb0bJs65XL5L.html https://bellinghistory.com/blog/2020/10/13/the-chinese-curse-of-bad-town-episode-2 http://theaerogram.com/when-rioters-drove-south-asians-out-of-bellingham/ http://www.cascadiaweekly.com/cw/currents/for_more_than_a_century_sikhs_have_faced_suspicion_andviolence https://www.sikhnet.com/news/three-times-these-immigrant-communities-were-targeted-now-they-will-be-honored

also info on several organizations' websites: https://www.whatcomcf.org/arch-of-healing-reconcilation/ https://www.bellinghampubliclibrary.org/news/monument-honors-immigrant-communities-unity-among-county-residents https://www.interfaith-coalition.org/cast Also a video interview for the City of Bellingham and mayoral and county proclamations: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMGUM6ndMWM https://cob.org/wp-content/uploads/8-2017-Arch-of-Healing-and-Reconciliation-Month.pdf https://www.whatcomcounty.us/Archive/ViewFile/Item/15069

Please let me know if this seems to meet the standards for a new article. Thanks, Paul Pengles (talk) 22:48, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Berrely - Most of the sources that I listed above seem reliable and independent. How significant is a matter of opinion, I suppose. Because this monument is quite unique and addresses historical events and issues that are national and international in scope and importance, I see this and the sources as significant. Please let me know your thoughts on this. Thanks, Paul Pengles (talk) 18:51, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Berrely - I posted this in the "talk" for the A.K. Mozumdar article because I am not seeing a way to edit the spelling of his first name or to provide information about the conflicts. There are also conflicts about the year of his birth which I did edit. What do you suggest?:

There are conflicting records regarding the spelling of his name. He signed most official documents as Akhoy Kumar Mozumdar, rather than "Akhay." I have copies of his signed immigration documents and draft registration for WWI and WWII. I believe that this entry should use "Akhoy" for his name. Also I think there shoiuld be a note about conflicting accounts of his birth year. On official documents he gave July 15, 1881 as his birth, but later in life he seems to have fabricated the year, probably because his teaching and beliefs were that his spiritual practice could postpone aging. In later years he gave 1864 as his birth year, which is what is listed in his obituary and headstone plaque. How should this be discussed? I can provide the documents. I edited the article to show 1881 as his birth, but I did not indicate the conflicts. - Paul Pengles (talk) 19:34, 27 November 2020 (UTC)


Pengles, apologies for getting back late, I had some a personal issue I had to take care of. I have decided to review some of the sources you provided, as it would take way too long to review them all.

  • The Seattle Times, Belling History and The Aerogram are not in significant coverage.
  • The Bellingham Herald seems to be reliable, so it could be used as a source for an article.
  • The "Whatcom County Bar Journal" is effectively meeting minutes from a local community group, so it likely wouldn't be reliable.
  • The AS Review is a student published magazine, so it likely isn't reliable.
  • The Medium and YouTube links are self-published. So they are not independently published nor reliable sources.
  • The articles from the South Asian Post, Northwest Published Broadcasting and Cascadia Weekly all appear to mirror each other and contain pretty much the exact same information, so it would be likely more useful to use only one of them.
  • As the organisations you linked to seem to be all involved in the Arch in someway, their sources should avoid being used as they are primary.

Whilst I appreciate that you spent a while collecting these sources, it would've likely been more efficient than reference bombing with mostly low-quality sources, and instead, it would've helped you and I if you'd tried to find some more reliable ones. I also think you've misunderstood what I mean by "significant". On Wikipedia, a source in significant coverage (see WP:SIGCOV):

"Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material.

As for your most recent question, if you can find independent, reliable source to backup your claims, then you can be bold and change the info yourself. I hope this helps. — Yours, Berrely • TalkContribs 16:16, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Berrely - Thanks. Regarding the question about editing the Mozumdar article, the reliable sources I found are scans of government documents/microfilm that have been made available on genealogy sites such as familysearch.com, so I am not sure how to cite them. Also, as to conflicting sources pertaining to spelling of his name, there does not seem to be a way to edit the very first part of the article that includes his name. Is there any guidance for Wikipedia about dealing with conflicting reliable sources? I found the preponderance of evidence was that he was born in 1881 and edited his DOB as 7/15/1881, but some later sources give his DOB as 7/15/1864. How should these conflicts about name and DOB be indicated? In a footnote? Do you know of any examples? Thanks, Paul Pengles (talk) 18:15, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Pengles, FamilySearch is not reliable, as it is user-generated content. — Yours, Berrely • TalkContribs 18:37, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Berrely - The documents that I accessed through Familysearch are government documents from the microfilms. They are from U.S. government microfilm collections and were not generated by users. I would be happy to show you the scans, but I don't think I can do that in this talk window. Is there a way I can share these with you or an admin? - Paul Pengles (talk) 05:22, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Draft article

Dear Berrely, Thank you for reviewing my article about Hanley High School. As I live in Wiltshire, and because of the corona virus restrictions preventing travelling, I have written to the Stoke-on-Trent Education Authority, and separately to the City Library Archive, asking for information that I can use for citations within my article. The two bodies have responded positively and are currently progressing my requests. However, I would imagine that their archives on historical educational institutions will still be in paper format and not digitised, which may still be a problem in providing you with acceptable citations. If you believe this may still be case then can I suggest that, if you provide me with references to the specific areas of text that are of concern, I can look at redrafting them or deleting them. Many thanks for your time. Best wishes Paul 82.69.110.45 (talk) 16:00, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi there, and sorry for getting back late. Notability, and verifability are two separate things. However, the article does have problems with both matters.
Verifability
  • None of the information about the headteachers are cited (§ Headteachers).
  • There is only 1 source for the entire "Hanley Municipal Secondary School" section.

Some other concerns are:
  • The section about "Extracts from the school log book" is not really needed. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not an indiscriminate collection of information.
  • The prose seems to read more like a story.
  • The images are almost definitely copyright violations

Notability
  • Schools fall under the notability guideline WP:NCORP, specifically section WP:NSCHOOL. It states that schools must either satisfy WP:ORG, general notability guideline, or both. The draft article does not seem to pass the requirements of NCORP, as it has not been the subject of significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources.

There are also some minor MoS and style issues that could be fixed. — Yours, Berrely (🎅 Ho ho ho! 🎄) • TalkContribs 17:59, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

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Joseph Joachim removed edit

Hello, I recently made an edit to Joseph Joachim's biography page about him premiering Brahms' violin concerto. I was surprised this detail did not make it onto his page, so I added it, but it was removed by you for being "original research" and not having a "reliable, published source." Wikipedia's own page on the Brahms violin concerto lists this fact in the "Premiere" part of the article: "The work was premiered in Leipzig on January 1, 1879, by Joachim..." The fact that Joachim premiered the concerto is also found here on Britannica, and here on the San Francisco Symphony's webpage about the piece. I would appreciate if my edit was reinstated. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.105.30.210 (talk) 19:19, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi there, next time, it would be helpful if you could reuse the citation so that editors can confirm it. If a reliable source is not provided, it could be considered "original research", which is strongly discouraged if not prohibited on Wikipedia. To lean how to use references, please see Help:Referencing for beginners. If you cite the source, then feel free to reinstate your own edit. If you have any other concerns, please tell me. — Yours, Berrely (🎅 Ho ho ho! 🎄) • TalkContribs 20:25, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

Growth team updates #16

14:22, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

GOCE November drive barnstars

The Minor Barnstar
This barnstar is awarded to Berrely for copy edits totaling between 1 and 3,999 words (including bonus and rollover words) during the GOCE November 2020 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:36, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!

Hi Berrely, saw that you are feeling discouraged-- I imagine we all feel that way sometimes, I know that I certainly do. Thanks for all the work you've done here, and I've enjoyed our sporadic interactions. I hope you enjoy any time off you take and come back someday, rested and re-motivated. Wikipedia will be waiting. Until then, relax, have a (virtual) cup of tea from me, and stay safe & healthy. All the best, Eddie891 Talk Work 20:20, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

New Page Patrol December Newsletter

Hello Isochrone/Archives/2020,

A chart of the 2020 New Page Patrol Queue

Year in review

It has been a productive year for New Page Patrol as we've roughly cut the size of the New Page Patrol queue in half this year. We have been fortunate to have a lot of great work done by Rosguill who was the reviewer of the most pages and redirects this past year. Thanks and credit go to JTtheOG and Onel5969 who join Rosguill in repeating in the top 10 from last year. Thanks to John B123, Hughesdarren, and Mccapra who all got the NPR permission this year and joined the top 10. Also new to the top ten is DannyS712 bot III, programmed by DannyS712 which has helped to dramatically reduce the number of redirects that have needed human patrolling by patrolling certain types of redirects (e.g. for differences in accents) and by also patrolling editors who are on on the redirect whitelist.

Rank Username Num reviews Log
1 DannyS712 bot III (talk) 67,552 Patrol Page Curation
2 Rosguill (talk) 63,821 Patrol Page Curation
3 John B123 (talk) 21,697 Patrol Page Curation
4 Onel5969 (talk) 19,879 Patrol Page Curation
5 JTtheOG (talk) 12,901 Patrol Page Curation
6 Mcampany (talk) 9,103 Patrol Page Curation
7 DragonflySixtyseven (talk) 6,401 Patrol Page Curation
8 Mccapra (talk) 4,918 Patrol Page Curation
9 Hughesdarren (talk) 4,520 Patrol Page Curation
10 Utopes (talk) 3,958 Patrol Page Curation
Reviewer of the Year

John B123 has been named reviewer of the year for 2020. John has held the permission for just over 6 months and in that time has helped cut into the queue by reviewing more than 18,000 articles. His talk page shows his efforts to communicate with users, upholding NPP's goal of nurturing new users and quality over quantity.

NPP Technical Achievement Award

As a special recognition and thank you DannyS712 has been awarded the first NPP Technical Achievement Award. His work programming the bot has helped us patrol redirects tremendously - more than 60,000 redirects this past year. This has been a large contribution to New Page Patrol and definitely is worthy of recognition.

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Enjoy your break

Noticed you haven't been around as much on the Discord and now saw your user page message. Hope you're having a good wikibreak and that real-life things are going okay; my email is open if you feel like it! We'll miss you. Warmly, Ovinus (talk) 01:09, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your diligence on my Talk Page

I just wanted to let you know that your efforts in reporting the LTA occurrences on my Talk Page are greatly appreciated. I'll make more of an effort to aid in the reporting as well, although you're remarkably quick to the chase. Cheers and happy holidays, Transcendental (talk) 21:23, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Transcendental, no problem, and have a happy holiday as well. — Yours, Berrely (🎅 Ho ho ho! 🎄) • TalkContribs 13:12, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi, you recently declined my article name "Major Adil Farooq Raja(Retd)". I'd like to know how can I improve it to get it accepted as an article. I am asking this because I have included links and citations alongside now. Maybe if there's still something it lack? Regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JanglaKing (talkcontribs) 15:44, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Adopt-A-User

Hi, could you adopt me? BlackWidowMovie0 (talk) 16:31, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi there BlackWidowMovie0, I'm sorry but nowadays my time on wiki alternated so much it would likely be impractical for me to adopt you. I suggest looking for another adopter who is more active. — Yours, Berrely (🎅 Ho ho ho! 🎄) • TalkContribs 17:38, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Cite Unseen update

Hello! Thank you for using Cite Unseen. The script recently received a significant update, detailed below.

  • You can now toggle which icons you do or don't want to see. See the configuration section for details. All icons are enabled by default except for the new Green checkmark generally reliable icon (described below).
  • New categorizations/icons:
    • Megaphone Advocacy: Organizations that are engaged in advocacy (anything from political to civil rights to lobbying). Note that an advocacy group can be reliable; this indicator simply serves to note when a source's primary purpose is to advocate for certain positions or policies, which is important to keep in mind when consuming a source.
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    • Perennial source categories: Cite Unseen will mark sources as Green checkmark generally reliable, Exlamation mark in orange triangle marginally reliable, No symbol generally unreliable, Stop hand deprecated, and Black X blacklisted. This is based on Wikipedia's perennial sources list, which reflects community consensus on frequently discussed sources. Sources that have multiple categorizations are marked as Blue question mark varied reliability. Note that Green checkmark generally reliable icons are disabled by default to reduce clutter, but you can enable them through your custom config. A special thanks to Newslinger, whose new Sourceror API provides the perennial sources list in a clean, structured format.
  • With the addition of the new categorizations, the biased source icon has been removed. This category was very broad, and repetitive to the new advocacy and perennial sources categorizations that are more informative.

If you have any feedback, requested features, or domains to add/remove, don't hesitate to bring it up on the script's talk page. Thank you! ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 23:23, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

SuperHamster, thanks! I really like the script, it makes it much easier to identify sources. — Yours, Berrely (🎅 Ho ho ho! 🎄) • TalkContribs 10:13, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

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There really isn't any reason why Adonis would be classified as a mercurian deity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1702:1E10:1AC0:2DC5:B969:275B:6DEF (talk) 18:06, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

TheWikiWizard-December 2020

Hello, Berrely! Here is the December 2020 issue of TheWikiWizard. Pilot Project, trying a smaller and different style newsletter

  • Here are the events of December 2020

Wikipedia News

  • On the French Wikipedia, the new vector skin design has already been rolled out! Check it out here!
  • Wikipedia will soon celebrate it's 20th Birthday very soon! Go back to 2001 by visiting nostalgia.wikipedia.org !
  • EN Wikipedia has more than 6,200,000 Articles!

Humor

  • Santa is watching you.... Don't vandalise Wikipedia, or he will reward you a block and no presents this year if you do so. (Seriously don't vandalise Wikipedia, even if santa isn't watching)
  • More turkey on Christmas

Notes

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To change your subscription, or to subscribe click Here. Enjoy this Issue and stay safe! Happy Holidays --つがる Talk to つがる:) 🍁 01:13, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Happy Holidays!

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Destroyeraa, you too! Have a happy holiday 😁 — Yours, Berrely (🎅 Ho ho ho! 🎄) • TalkContribs 11:14, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Merry December

Thanks Lee and a Merry Christmas to you! — Yours, Berrely (🎅 Ho ho ho! 🎄) • TalkContribs 18:22, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

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Ann & Hope

Ann & Hope's website is redirecting to Vermont Country Store with a welcome message. How is this not appropriate to Ann & Hope's wiki page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.10.44.213 (talk) 18:50, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi there 100.10.44 IP, I reverted your edit because, per WP:EXTERNAL, there should not be external links in the body of an article. The link you suggested would be better fitting for the External links section. — Yours, Berrely (🎅 Ho ho ho! 🎄) • TalkContribs 18:53, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Help me out with that. I'm not savvy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.10.44.213 (talk) 19:06, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

The link is already in the external links section, so you don't need to do anything. — Yours, Berrely (🎅 Ho ho ho! 🎄) • TalkContribs 19:14, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Draft: Gabriel T Rozman

Hello Berrely - thank you very much for your past review of my article Gabriel T Rozman. I really appreciate your input and hopefully I have addressed all concerns regarding citations. I have resubmitted for review about 2 weeks00:28, 24 December 2020 (UTC)Kiraly17 (talk) ago - and am anxiously awaiting news...is there any action I can take to expedite a re-review with the ultimate goal of acceptance? Thank you very much for your consideration and all best wishes for happy holidays.Kiraly17 (talk) 00:28, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi there Kiraly17, and thanks for contributing to Wikipedia. Whilst there is no set pattern for reviewing articles, I would review the draft, but I am currently unsure as to whether it is suitable for inclusion, so I'd prefer someone who has more experience in checking verifiability to do this. — Yours, Berrely (🎅 Ho ho ho! 🎄) • TalkContribs 13:48, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

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