User talk:John Broughton/Archive 8 June-August 2007

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Request for Copyediting

Hello there, I found your name listed at WP:1FAPQ as a willing copyeditor, and I wonder if you'd be willing to provide your services for the Clan Fraser article. I need that little something to boost it to FA-status. I'd apreciate it to no end; the article's been in the same state for quite awhile now. File:Icons-flag-scotland.png Canæn File:Icons-flag-scotland.png 03:28, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Following up: I noticed you hadn't made any further edits to the Clan Fraser article in a couple of days, and wonder if you're done? I'm very new to the copyediting process (ie, never done it, never had it done before), so I'm not sure if there's anything left to do but put the article up for nomination. I've considered it ready for awhile now, so I wonder what your opinion is? Thank you, File:Icons-flag-scotland.png Canæn File:Icons-flag-scotland.png 07:01, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Once more, it's been over a month since your last edit on the article, and though I appreciate what you've done, I must admit I will no longer wait for you to deem the copyediting process on the article complete. I will be moving on with the FA process once all current discussions are settled at the article. File:Icons-flag-scotland.png Canæn File:Icons-flag-scotland.png 23:26, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Walter Chatton

Sounds good to me. I just don't want the page deleted because I think it is an important counterbalance to Occam's Razor.

Any help would be appreciated.

Editor's Index

Add them to your Editor's Index to Wikipedia if you think that they belong. Uncle G 20:08, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

karmichael Hunt

Could you copyedit Karmichael Hunt

It would be much appreciated.

^Special_Windler 04:50, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Editor Index

Hello, John, I made a minor change to User:John Broughton/Editor's Index to Wikipedia. I updated the redlink for Category:Articles with large trivia sections to Category:Articles with trivia sections, per WP:CFD(2007May30). I hope you don't mind. Jerry 23:25, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Great page John - I have bookmarked it and will add (IF) I find anything missing docboat 00:12, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Research

Hi John. Thanks for your comments on my talk page. I've had a look at your references and I think they'll be very useful to me. I managed to locate WikiInquirer's paper so I'll have a read later. Thanks again! --Sutton4019 11:29, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Ben Stevens

While it will almost certainly prove out to be Ben Stevens in the case, for the credibility of wikipedia can it wait until it is more than "...believed to be Ben Stevens." I dont believe it will be that long.

209.112.216.150 22:54, 27 June 2007 (UTC)situk209.112.216.150 22:54, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

There is no logical reason to list information about "Senator B" in the Ben Stevens article if there is no sentence tying "Senator B" to Stevens. So the options are (a) leave the info about "Senator B" in the article, and explain the link (that strong evidence points to Stevens being "B", according to newspaper reports), or (b) delete the information altogether from the article, which leaves the reader uninformed about a very important development which is likely to put Stevens in jail. Obviously I think (a) is the correct choice.

I'm cross-posting this to Talk:Ben Stevens, along with your original posting to my talk page; please post any further comments there, since that page is much more visible to other interested editors than this page or my personal talk page. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 01:43, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Removal of negative material from Rudy Giuliani article

In the thread at Talk:Rudy Giuliani#Proposal to make the Controversies Section its own page, you were one of those who commented in opposition to the suggestion. By my count (including opinions later expressed elsewhere), this wholesale deletion of information from the main article is supported by three editors and opposed by six.

Nevertheless, the three keep trying to implement their proposed deletion. You can read a lengthy discussion at Talk:Rudy Giuliani#NPOV tag. I've reverted the deletion three times already today, as well as spending a lot of time trying to explain to them why their approach contravenes Wikipedia guidelines, but the edit war continues. I'm calling the situation to the attention of the other editors who chimed in earlier, in the hope that the matter can be resolved on the Rudy Giuliani page without resort to dispute resolution. Thanks for any help you can give. JamesMLane t c 05:08, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Template:Virginia counties imagemap

i am not the author, just moved is from the main namespace to a template, however i also noticed that it wasnt working correctly. Csörföly D 20:59, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Signature

How did you do the fancy signature?--Barkjon 21:51, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Deletion process

Thanks for the note, my operator caught it once, but missed it on the second run will try to avoid next time. Thank you, Fluxbot 16:17, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

I've gone an updated that page to deny AWB bot edits (tons of flase positive potential!). Thanks, — xaosflux ^Talk 16:21, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Anchor Link Bot

Thanks for the pointer to User:Anchor Link Bot. Very interesting. I wonder if it handle redirects to things other than section titles. Eg. span id and similar stuff. I'll go and ask the bot operator. Carcharoth 11:44, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Citing sources#Straw Poll

This relates to the text on the placement of footnotes which you helped to work out last month; you may wish to comment. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 16:02, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Food Irradiation

I would like to thank you for your several very constructive contributions on the food irradiation topic. The topic is now being moderated and there is a separate talk page available. I would much appreciate if you could continue to help. The page can be found at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Food_irradiation/Mediation_discussion. RayosMcQueen 18:00, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

User space edits

Thanks for your response. Best wishes, SqueakBox 18:15, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Re: main templates

Thanks John, I appreciate your assistance in making articles on Wikipedia be properly formatted. For your own sake, I hope that you do not post a comment on everyone's talk when they have sloppy editing in an article; you will spend your lifetime posting comments. Again, the assist is appreciated. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 22:07, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Jean Schmidt FAR

Jean Schmidt has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here.--SallyForth123 00:39, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Questions

Thanks for the message! Since I'm new to wikipedia i have some questions. How do you request that a page be created, do you email wikipedia or create it yourself then tell wikipedia? How do i put pictures on articles? Since i'm a member of wikipedia can i edit every page that i look up? That's all my question for now. When you tell me the answers please tell the exact answer that way i can know.PeachyGurl 00:54, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

San Juan, Puerto Rico

Hey John. Just curious: what is so unsuitable about this article being submitted to LOCE? I didn't really understand your comment. --Otheus 00:58, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

The article was submitted to LOCE (by an anonymous IP address) with the comment "Important city needs a better article". That gives absolutely no clues as to why this needs a copyeditor, as opposed (say) to a subject matter expert, or (for example) someone who will spend time providing references where they are missing.

I stated in my edit summary, Not a good candidate for copyediting (long article, 30+ cites, many wikilinks); looking at that, what I should probably have said was something like "Looks like a fairly good article to me; most articles in Wikipedia need copyediting more than this one does".

In short, the article was listed with a poor reason and my reading of the article indicated no particular urgent need. (I note that I didn't remove the "needs copyediting" template at the top of the page; of course, most articles with such tags are not listed at the LOCE page.)

And if you want to put it back into the list, feel free to do so. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 16:16, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Cool. Thanks for the explanation. I was worried we were rejecting articles ~~screening requests because the articles were~~ for being too long.--Otheus 20:42, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:How to use the GIMP

See Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2007_August_9#Wikipedia:How_to_use_the_GIMP --w^L^{<speak·check>} 21:12, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Breaking things

Please review this edit - it appears that that PDFbot inserted an invisible comment within an existing invisible comment, and that broke things. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 22:39, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately, that comment is part of PDFbot's operation (it seemed like a good idea at the time), I've been trying with some success in getting to not update if the > was left off -->. And it at the time it is the recommend workaround for this problem. —Dispenser 23:31, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

On Philip Graham and his wife

Indeed "the proper place to discuss his death at lenght is in the article about him", as you wrote. I had to shorter my information on that, precisely because others found it too long to be on the Katharine entry. However, obviously Katharine Graham was Philip's wife, and she would be the main suspect in case the murder theory is true. So, it is relevant to put it in her article.

Now, let me tell you that this is not the first time, nor the last time, that a theory is discussed in a Wikipedia article. I don't get your worries.

About the First Amendment, please, do not misdirect things here, since I mentioned it to User:Cberlet because he deleted a book by John Coleman I put on the Tavistock Institute entry. That list works as a recommendation --therefore, you choose to read or not to read the book in question. That's why I told Cberlet he had NO right to decide for others. He can express his opinion freely, but not delete the recommendation. I sincerely hope that this is clear enough for you.--Dukered 14:26, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Karl Rove

I had misunderstood the directions for posting a request to have the Karl Rove page semi-protected. Literally 10 seconds later I realized my mistake and went to correct it, but somebody had already done so. I know, that is a sloppy habit of mine and you're correct, I should click the preview button first. Thanks for your advice.Cobrapete 16:36, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Using the index

I added a section to your user sub-sub-page:

User:John Broughton/Editor's Index to Wikipedia/About#Using the index

Even though the material I wrote seemed obvious to me, it might not be obvious to everyone. You might want to look over the section I added and insure that it represents your work the way you want. I have to say, the editor's index is such a powerful tool that I would like to start developing similar index pages for some of Wikipedia's article content. For example, many if not all WikiProjects have anywhere from dozens to several thousand articles under their purview. An index into a WikiProject's article content would make the information accessible in ways we don't get from the existing MediaWiki links and categories. Not that I'm knocking the built-in MediaWiki navigation features - they just don't have the analytical power and Ctrl-f Web browser search convenience of your index. --Teratornis 01:14, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Social promotion

Actually, I was only reverting edits by a chronic, banned, sockpuppeteer. It wasn't a comment by me on the content at all, just that that user has lost the privilege of contributing to Wikipedia. I was reverting to a previous version, as banned users' stuff is usually removed as completely as possible when it is found they have come back. If you like the content and want it back in, that is fine with me. Cheers! --Fire Star 火星 01:36, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Three-letter anchors

Calling your attention to my belated comment here:

User talk:John Broughton/Editor's Index to Wikipedia#Improving "see" links with section links (anchors)

I need you to rule on an instance where I would really like to add another anchor to the index, but several earlier headings share the same stem. --Teratornis 17:56, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

For the record, this discussion continues on User talk:Teratornis#Length of anchors in the index. (I prefer to keep a discussion all on one talk page, although this has the drawback of only notifying the owner of the talk page.) In particular, I want to call your attention to my suggestion to use {{Shortcut}} or a similar template to display shortcut links to the main index headings. This would make index headings easy to cite on Help desk answers and elsewhere. --Teratornis 20:24, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Tom Feeney

I suspect you will want to revert recent Tom Feeney changes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.249.102.62 (talk) 17:27, August 25, 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 17:55, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank John for your quick response...However

I am honestly trying to go thru the proper channels of getting this material online. Last week I spend 90min with help chat thru wiki. They suggested to email the guy that deleted my 50+ article. I did but no response.

User talk:Jersey Devil Hi I fairly new at this and I have a improved article for 50+/50plus that I would like to submit. What is the best way to submit it without getting you upset? Thanks Pvara 99 22:12, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Then thru reading and trying to understand the layout it is very confusing to say the least... I do not have PHD in English... but when I follow the instruction that say post your ideas to the drawing board and I do, then I get hammered for it...I am honestly confused. I wish I could physically talk on the phone with someone to straighten this mess out... Please advise Step 1 do this, step 2 do this...etc thank you. Pvara 99 00:28, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

John thank you for your detailed steps on what do next. I only wish I completed these steps from the beginning. You deserve 3 gold stars :) Take care Pvara 99 02:49, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Subpage

i made the subpage and put some information on it but when i saved it it didn't come up. i tried waiting and checked the deletion log and neither worked. i couldn't figure out the purge function. Callan93 17:32, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

no i did one for a test and it worked then i remade the other one. i guess i hit a wrong key or something. Thanks. Callan93 19:30, 29 August 2007 (UTC)