User talk:Jordi

Benvinguts!

This talk page is primarily made for commenting on my contributions to the English version of Wikipedia. For general questions or comments please use the talk page on my home wiki (German WP). In any case, you may write me in Spanish, Portuguese, Catalan, Dutch, English or German, or in any other language I understand. Thank you! --Jordi (talk) 21:26, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

December 2016

Hello, I'm Elizium23. I noticed that you made a change to an article, Institute of the Incarnate Word, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so! If you need guidance on referencing, please see the referencing for beginners tutorial, or if you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Elizium23 (talk) 23:10, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

My English is not good enough to contribute too much to the English WP, but I explained in my edit comment that you can find all the reliable sources in the German article, all sources in Spanish [PD: and some even in English]. It is really disturbing that this article was not corrected before, anyone can find the sources and it is widely known at least since this year what happened with Buela and that he was removed five years ago.

I will copy the sources to the talk page and restore the boxes I set until someone corrects this article.--Jordi (talk) 00:32, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Putting them on the talk page is not good enough. You need to provide inline sources with the <ref> tag inside the article. Elizium23 (talk) 01:01, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

No, I don't think that is necessary. The boxes themselves tell the readers that there is more stuff available on the talk page. There are reliable sources one click away, this is the only thing which really matters.--Jordi (talk) 01:52, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

That is in violation of Wikipedia:Citing sources. We have different standards here on en.wiki than the other language wikis. Please follow them, or you will be blocked from editing. Elizium23 (talk) 01:55, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Do not remove the boxes please, they are necessary to correct the article and to inform the reader that it is not objectively true. If you still remove them, further actions are inevitable.--Jordi (talk) 01:58, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Do not restore them without citing sources. Elizium23 (talk) 02:14, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Editor assistance/Requests#Biased article.--Jordi (talk) 19:16, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Hello again, according to your wish I made the box new, now with the sources cited within the warning text, and I changed the list of governments according to the sources cited and stripped Buela his titles as a "key figure" (he is not a priest any more and he is not a member of IVE). At the same time, I made a public announcement for help, to make this case publicly known to a wider group of Catholic Wikipedians and because obviously I cannot do this allone and need some help by some unbiased and experienced English speaking Wikipedians. Hope this helps and will not be removed, thx! --Jordi (talk) 00:13, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Now you have removed exactely the sources you reclaimed before. What does this mean? It is crucial that the measures taken by the Vatican against the founder and the ex-government are mentioned somewhere in the article, be it in the warning box or in another part of it. If you remove this information from the warning box, you should add them in some other part of the article, if not, they are lost. Hiding this information is "misuse", adding them not. So I don't understand your comment about "misuse of parameter", what do you mean?--Jordi (talk) 00:57, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

RE:Editor assistance/Requests#Biased article on [[1]] Contemplating adding an update myself, I consulted prior edits and found your appeal for assistance. Does this info help? (excerpt of my comments on that entry's talk page: Note to Editors and other contributors: Recent information published online in Spanish On December 12th, 2016 the Diocese of San Rafael held a press conference ([in Spanish] no English transcript) to address the testimony of a certain Luis NN as reported in local Argentinian press, subsequently acknowledged by Fr Rossi of IVE here [Luis le responde al Comunicado Oficial del Verbo Encarnado (IVE)].) Let me know if you would like help translating from Spanish or drafting in English - no sources in English I'm afraid (I read your German edits of the page and found them much more balanced) MrsKrishan (talk) 06:52, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

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Illustration for Samuel Fritz

Jordi, please provide evidence that the illustration of Samuel Fritz is "unhistorical." How do you know? I am asking respectfully that you provide a reliable source for this information. Cmacauley (talk) 01:22, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi, what an awesome question. This man lived in the 17th and 18th century. There are no pictorial documents available from this time. The painting was made in the thirtieth of 20th century. Just a fantasy portrait. Thank you and stay healthy! --Jordi (talk) 09:29, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Please provide a reliable source for this information. Cmacauley (talk) 22:47, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Hey, User:Cmacauley, if you want to use this image, it is your turn to provide reliable sources. You are the one who wants to have this specific content to be in the article, so you have to prove its reliability. Obviously, there is no way to do so, because, as I said, the image was "taken" in the thirtieth of the 20th century, 200 years after Samuel Fritz's death. You have not provided any reliable source which could convincingly show that it is not a fantasy portrait. And since there was no photography in the 18th century, this is virtually impossible to do. In Wikipedia, we do not want unclarified/undeclared fantasy portraits of historical people, so the image has to be deleted. Sorry for my insistance.--Jordi (talk) 23:36, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello User:Cmacauley, I just got confirmation from WP:RS/N that your demand for "reliable sources" in order to delete this image is not reasonable. Do you now agree to delete the file? Thank you.--Jordi (talk) 10:19, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

For the results, see: here. Image is not free.--Jordi (talk) 11:00, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

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May 2024

Hello, I'm Willthacheerleader18. I noticed that you recently removed content without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks.

Hey User:Willthacheerleader18 please don't bully me. I have deleted some fakes, and please inform yourself before restoring this stuff. I think you speak German, so there is no difficulty for you to check the recent disks there an act in coherence to that, my English is too bad to explain everything once more, thank you. A baronial family "Tschugguel" never existed and the books you cited in your articles show that, too.--Jordi (talk) 15:04, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

@Jordi: Holding you accountable to Wikipedia standards is not bullying. Stop removing source information from articles without adequate proof. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 15:06, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Nope, you are the one who has posted this info without proof. There is no proof given about the existence of that noble family, all the references are fake. Until now I assume you did it involuntarily, but please inform yourself and do not restore this stuff without checking your (non existent) sources.--Jordi (talk) 15:09, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

@Jordi: I am more than happy to get another editor involved to resolve this since you are not willing to follow editing guidelines. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 15:10, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

That's fine, there has to be one to help me to remove this fake information, since my English is not so good to convince you, thx. If you understand German, check out the disks there an please understand that you were tricked and believed to a fake identity.--Jordi (talk) 15:13, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

@Jordi: I have requested a WP:Third opinion to help resolve this issue between us. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 15:26, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes, very good, thank you. I already answered there.--Jordi (talk) 15:32, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

• I removed the WP:3PO request. It's not a venue for debate between two editors. Feel free to discuss on the article itself and if necessary a 3PO can be created where a third party can review both arguments. Nemov (talk) 15:40, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Blanking pages and removing sources

Please stop. If you continue to blank out or remove portions of page content, templates, or other materials from Wikipedia without adequate explanation, you may be blocked from editing. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 21:10, 15 May 2024 (UTC)