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Remarkable how all those simultaneous edits got in without an edit conflict among them. That should end the list from Ceranthor in this installment and you might let him know that the article is ready for the next phase of the read through. ManKnowsInfinity (talk) 18:43, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Would be good to respond on the Peer Review page to show what has been done for each of the points. Keith D (talk) 20:05, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Second round of updates requests were listed overnight and they should now all be up to date, except for that nbsp request you just made. Possibly he can be pinged to say the article is ready for the next round of edit requests. ManKnowsInfinity (talk) 16:51, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

I have updated review page and marked the ones I have done of third round. A second reviewer had left some new comments on missing references and Indy has tagged the article for sourcing. Have fun, I will be back when I am home with internet connection. Keith D (talk) 11:03, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Welcome back from the holidays and thanks for your comment on Sarah's talk page. Sarah is again splitting threads and has placed a partial response to you on Hitchcock talk. Now she states in response to editor:Modern her intention to partially continue with the conversion of the biography into a feminist friendly version of it with her further review comments to soon be added, apparently with her plans to drop out of the editing as she has stated her intentions to do so previously. I am supporting your comment to her on her talk page that the version from before the holidays remains the best version of the biography which Wikipedia currently has. The pre-holiday version is by far the better choice for Wikipedia at this time, especially since Sarah has not withdrawn her indication to drop-out of the editing promptly and leaving her partially converted version in its currently poor format. My support is according to your statement to Sarah that the pre-holiday version is the better one for Wikipedia as a whole which ought to be restored. ManKnowsInfinity (talk) 16:34, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-51

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Tech News

Because of the holidays the next issue of Tech News will be sent out on 8 January 2018.

Problems

When you import a page from another wiki the usernames of the users who edited the article on the wiki you imported it from are shown in the article history. This should link to the users on the original wiki. A script to fix this caused problems for Wikidata and German Wikipedia. It also created a large number of SUL accounts on wikis where editors had never edited. [1]
Some bot owners got email about their bots logging in from a new computer. If this is from one or a couple of wikis, you can turn these messages off in your preferences on those wikis until the problem has been solved. If not, you can report more about the problem in Phabricator.

Changes later this week

There is no new MediaWiki version this week. There will be no new MediaWiki version next week either.

Meetings

You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 19 December at 19:30 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

Files on Commons will have structured metadata in the future. The developers are now looking for examples of different kinds of metadata to make sure they are aware of them when they build prototypes for structured data on Commons. You can read more and help by giving examples of interesting media files.
The Structured Commons team are making sure Commons work with structured data. If you regularly contribute to Commons and Wikidata you can answer a survey that helps the team prioritise the tools that are important for the Commons and Wikidata communities. The survey ends on 22 December. You can read more on Commons. You can also help the team decide on better names for "captions" and "descriptions". This ends on 3 January 2018.
The 2017 Community Wishlist Survey has now ended. You can see the results. They decide what the Community Tech team will work on next year.

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15:27, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Seasons' Greetings

...to you and yours, from the Great White North! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 03:30, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

I would like your input in this discussion

Hi,

I would appreciate it if you could give your input regarding https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_naval_ship_classes_in_service#Split_this_article_into_multiple_articles Thanks in advance Dragnadh (talk) 21:11, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – January 2018

News and updates for administrators from the past month (December 2017).

Administrator changes

Muboshgu

Anetode • Laser brain • Worm That Turned

None

Bureaucrat changes

Worm That Turned

Guideline and policy news

A request for comment is in progress to determine whether the administrator policy should be amended to require disclosure of paid editing activity at WP:RFA and to prohibit the use of administrative tools as part of paid editing activity, with certain exceptions.

Technical news

The 2017 Community Wishlist Survey results have been posted. The Community Tech team will investigate and address the top ten results.
The Anti-Harassment Tools team is inviting comments on new blocking tools and improvements to existing blocking tools for development in early 2018. Feedback can be left on the discussion page or by email.

Arbitration

Following the results of the 2017 election, the following editors have been (re)appointed to the Arbitration Committee: Alex Shih, BU Rob13, Callanecc, KrakatoaKatie, Opabinia regalis, Premeditated Chaos, RickinBaltimore, Worm That Turned.

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Tech News: 2018-02

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

On Wikidata, the "save" button when you edit is now called "publish". This means all Wikimedia wikis have now changed from "Save page" to "Publish changes". This is to help new editors understand what it does. [2][3]
Some edits will get an automatic tag on all wikis. This will happen when making a page a redirect, blanking a page, removing almost all content, undoing an edit, or rolling back an edit. You can see the tags for example in the recent changes feed, article history, user contributions or on your watchlist. Some wikis had already marked edits like these in other ways. [4]
Special:UnusedFiles shows files that have been uploaded but are not used. It will show a file that is not used on the wiki it has been uploaded to, even if the file is used on another wiki. The new Special:GloballyUnusedFiles page on Commons only shows files that are not used on any wiki. [5]
Structured discussions now uses the 2017 wikitext editor instead of its old custom one. This will work with your preference for wikitext or visual editor. The documentation has been updated. [6][7]

Problems

Older versions of the Chrome web browser on mobile devices may see the PDF download button, but it does not work. The developers are looking into the problem. [8]
With the new filters in the recent changes, "Exclude selected" in "Namespaces" did not work for "Saved filters" between 13 December and 2 January. When you loaded the saved filter all other namespaces were excluded instead. This has now been fixed. If you made any changes to your saved filters between 13 December and 2 January, you need to save your filters with excluded namespaces again. [9]
The latest version of Google Chrome broke how section links are shown in the address bar. You now see #R%C3%A9sum%C3%A9 instead of #Résumé even if MediaWiki did not encode it that way. This happened in early December. This problem has been solved. The fix will be in Chrome 64 (23 January) or Chrome 65 (6 March). [10]
Some POST requests to the API took longer than usual in parts of December. This affected the Wikidata UI and some gadgets the most. It has now been fixed. [11]

Changes later this week

Wikidata will be moved to its own database servers. This is because it is growing and needs more resources. Because of this you will be able to read but not edit Wikidata and the German Wikipedia between 06:00 and 06:30 UTC on 9 January. You might lose edits if you try to save during this time. This includes editing the language links on other wikis. [12]
The font size in the editing window will change slightly for some users. It will now look the same on all browsers and operating systems. [13][14]
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 9 January. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 10 January. It will be on all wikis from 11 January (calendar).
WikiEditor's ResourceLoader modules have been simplified to one: ext.wikiEditor. All the other modules are now deprecated aliases and should be removed. [15]

Meetings

You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 9 January at 19:30 (UTC). See how to join.
You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 10 January at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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16:19, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Nomination for merging of Template:Infobox UK school

Template:Infobox UK school has been nominated for merging with Template:Infobox school. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Steven (Editor) (talk) 19:29, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Malcolm Hebden page

The page was locked due to malicious editing but it was locked on an unproven report of his death. I researched and the only source reporting the death is a questionable source — Preceding unsigned comment added by Watershipknl (talk • contribs) 03:22, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

The information on his death was readded, after it was locked, by a regular editor, but has since been removed as a hoax. Keith D (talk) 12:05, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-3

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

Bureaucrats on Wikimedia wikis where the Translate extension is installed can now add and remove the translation administrator permission by default. Administrators of wikis where this extension is enabled can add and remove this permission to or from themselves. Wikis that used a different configuration before have not changed. [16]
There is a new Discourse test support channel for Wikimedia developers. You can ask questions or answer others questions about MediaWiki and Wikimedia software development. [17]

Problems

Last week's MediaWiki update was rolled back. This was because of a bug that changed non-ASCII characters when a page was edited. [18][19]

Changes later this week

The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 16 January. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 17 January. It will be on all wikis from 18 January (calendar).

Meetings

You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 16 January at 19:30 (UTC). See how to join.
You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 17 January at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

A few hundred wikis with less than ten high-priority errors in Linter categories will switch to use the Remex parsing library. This is to replace Tidy. It will happen on 31 January. Other wikis will be recommended to switch soon when they have fixed the errors that must be fixed. Tidy will be removed in the middle of 2018. [20][21]

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18:45, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Vandal detected.

Please check the contributions of this IP. Thanks! Pavlos1988 (talk) 20:42, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

They all appear to be to football squad lists, but I do not know if any of the changes are valid or not as I am not familiar with any of the teams that he has made changes to. If you think there is a problem the may be someone at WP:FOOTBALL who is familiar with the teams in question may be able to cast an eye over the changes. Keith D (talk) 21:51, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

If you check it closely, you will notice that this IP is adding to every single squad list the name of a hypothetical player called Bruno Pereira. And based on that, I'm afraid that this person is doing the same thing for a long time, under various IP's!!! Pavlos1988 (talk) 22:10, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

df=y in template Inflation-fn

Hi Keith, I notice that you are setting the parameter df=y in inflation templates. Template:Inflation-fn#Date format shows that this is unnecessary, df is only used when the country is US or CA. For other countries date first is assumed in all cases. Regards, Martin of Sheffield (talk) 09:18, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

The template is obviously not operating correctly then as it is putting month first dates into the reference in day first articles when using UK, which is why I am putting in the |df=y to get the output correct. Keith D (talk) 11:40, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Fair enough. I assume you'll raise it on the appropriate talk page. Thanks for the reply, Martin of Sheffield (talk) 16:09, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Photograph

Dear Keith,regarding the 'official photograph of Andrea Jenkyns. Could we ask that you please stop uploading it. Andrea asked for it to be removed from the Commons Website, which they did as she didn't like it. It was uploaded before MPs saw the photographs. As her team we keep changing it but it keeps being changed back. If you can advise how to remove it permanently that would be great. Thank you so much. Our email is Andrea.jenkyns.mp@parliament.uk — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.255.233.204 (talk) 13:51, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

We have a gallery of the official photographs, as released by the House of Commons to the media, the images we have for Andrea Jenkyns are here Commons:Category:Andrea Jenkyns. I do not think that "I do not like it" is a valid reason for it been deleted, but if you wish you could try nominating them for deletion on Commons. The image you switched it to was a copyrighted image to Nick Daly so was deleted as we cannot accept images which are not available under a free license. If you supply an appropriate copyright free image to use then that would be appropriate, but the other images would still be available for use on any of our projects. Keith D (talk) 17:10, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-04

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

Filters on Special:RecentChangesLinked will get the new look similar to on the recent changes page. Special:RecentChangesLinked will also get some new features. [22][23]

Problems

With the new OOUI look menus and popups can open upwards instead of downwards. This was meant to make long dropdown menus easier to use. Sometimes these menus have been overlapped by other things. This is now fixed. [24]

Changes later this week

There is no new MediaWiki version this week.

Meetings

You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 24 January at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

irc.wikimedia.org will be rebooted on 22 February. Some bots use this to get the recent changes feed. They need to be able to reconnect automatically or they will not work until they have been fixed. Most bots can reconnect automatically. [25]

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23:56, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-05

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Changes later this week

There is no new MediaWiki version this week.

Meetings

You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 31 January at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

The Wikimedia Foundation is working on how to get less unmaintained code on Wikimedia wikis. This could be by finding maintainers or removing unmaintained features. They are now looking for feedback on what do do with AbuseFilter, the IRC RecentChanges feed, the RelatedSites extension and TimedMediaHandler. You can leave feedback on the linked talk pages. [26]

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17:07, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

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Administrators' newsletter – February 2018

News and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2018).

Administrator changes

None

Blurpeace • Dana boomer • Deltabeignet • Denelson83 • Grandiose • Salvidrim! • Ymblanter

Guideline and policy news

An RfC has closed with a consensus that candidates at WP:RFA must disclose whether they have ever edited for pay and that administrators may never use administrative tools as part of any paid editing activity, except when they are acting as a Wikipedian-in-Residence or when the payment is made by the Wikimedia Foundation or an affiliate of the WMF.
Editors responding to threats of harm can now contact the Wikimedia Foundation's emergency address by using Special:EmailUser/Emergency. If you don't have email enabled on Wikipedia, directly contacting the emergency address using your own email client remains an option.

Technical news

A tag will now be automatically applied to edits that blank a page, turn a page into a redirect, remove/replace almost all content in a page, undo an edit, or rollback an edit. These edits were previously denoted solely by automatic edit summaries.

Arbitration

The Arbitration Committee has enacted a change to the discretionary sanctions procedure which requires administrators to add a standardized editnotice when placing page restrictions. Editors cannot be sanctioned for violations of page restrictions if this editnotice was not in place at the time of the violation.

Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:52, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

Templating

Thank you so much for your unsung NHLE templating - It's one of my secret joys! Is there anyway to see how many individual numbers there are on the site? No Swan So Fine (talk) 13:00, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

There are some statistics generated monthly, on each of the templates, a new set should be available later today/tomorrow at a guess. At the start of January there were 9,982 articles using the template with 49,912 actual instances referring to 49,908 different monuments. You can look at these statistics here, though it only gives the actual values if there are less than 50 instances. Keith D (talk) 14:40, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-06

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

Bureaucrats can now add and remove the accountcreator permission by default. This means the user can help create a large number of accounts, for example for an editathon. Wikis can change this if they want to. [27]
The Wikidata vandalism dashboard is a new tool to monitor vandalism on Wikidata labels and descriptions. It is filtered by language. [28]
Info pages for file pages now show the file's SHA1 hash value in the table of basic information. This is so users can see that the file is the same as the one they uploaded. [29]

Problems

Special:Export has a higher error rate right now. This means that the export does not always work. You should check to make sure your page exports worked. The developers are working on fixing this. [30]

Changes later this week

When you review an edit made with the visual editor you can check a visual diff of your changes besides the wikitext diff. If you pick one diff type it will remember and show you that in future. The visual diff will now be the type first shown to new users. [31]
When you use a gallery to show images you can define the size, like gallery widths="150px". You could use em or % instead of px but it would make no difference. You can now only use 150px or nothing (150). If you write something else, instead of treating it like px, it will not work. [32]
The wording when you send a thanks message will change. Instead of Yes or No it will say Thank and Cancel. It will also be easier to understand that all thanks are public. [33]
Redirects connected to Wikidata can create double Wikidata items. There will now be a tracking category for this. Wikis that don't want it can disable it. [34]
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 6 February. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 7 February. It will be on all wikis from 8 February (calendar).

Meetings

You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 6 February at 19:30 (UTC). See how to join.
You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 7 February at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

The Education Program extension will be removed on 30 June. It is replaced by the Programs and Events Dashboard. [35][36]

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20:51, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Indonesian Army cite error

Hi, thanks for fixing the cite error. I just could not figure out what the problem was - the same wording worked on another article. In the end I decided to sleep on it, and was pleasantly surprised to see you'd sorted it out. Much appreciated. Davidelit (Talk) 04:28, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Piped links

In the infobox (especially) the links generally should be piped, in the case of Tarraby for example it shouldn't include the status of the district, just its short name. If you look at Beverly Hills, California you can see that Los Angeles County, California is linked through [[Los Angeles County, California|Los Angeles]], see WP:IRE-IRL for another example. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:39, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

The norm for UK is to show the district "City of X" rather than just "X" as that is confusing and not clear. Keith D (talk) 18:43, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Not generally in infoboxes and how is "City of Carlisle" clearer than "Carlisle" anyway, people will think that it is in the urban settlement. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:14, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Carlisle is the settlement not the district which is what is been referred to in the infobbox, the 2 should not be confused. The district should be given as City of Carlisle and the settlement be referred to as Carlisle. Keith D (talk) 19:30, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

The district might be refereed to as City of Carlisle when the settlement is also being discussed (as long as it is made clear that it isn't the settlement), in infoboxes it is made clear that it is the district so there is no need to include "City of". Just like ROI is called just "Ireland" in the infobox of Arklow. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:39, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

We need to be clear and we should use what is been referred to not hide it away in an easter-egg link that goes to something that you are not expecting. Both in text and infobox clarity is more important. Keith D (talk) 19:51, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

I don't anyway see how adding the "City of" makes things clearer, if anything it makes things more confusing, I would suggest if anything it is less of an easter-egg link than Los Angeles. The purpose of the link in the infobox is to show the district it is in (Carlisle), not its status (city) anyway. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:12, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

As said above the district name is "City of Carlisle" it does not indicate it is a city, though it does happen to have city status. Carlisle by itself refers to the settlement not to the district. Keith D (talk) 20:37, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-07

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

TemplateStyles has been deployed to the Swedish Wikipedia. TemplateStyles is a feature to make it easy to add CSS to templates without administrator privileges. This allows for better adaptability to screen sizes, especially on mobile where are half our total page views. If your community would like to be the next to have the feature, please submit a task on Phabricator. [37][38][39]
Registration pages now collect keyboard/mouse usage information for research on identifying spambots.

Changes later this week

You can opt in to a new beta feature that lets you use visual diffs on history pages. [40]
The visual editor shows and lets you edit templates in one way, and reference lists in another. This meant that templates that only contain a fake reference list, like {{reflist}}, would not get updated as you edited. Now they will update as you edit, but you will no longer be able to visually edit them as templates. [41]
The abuse filter extension has a new feature contains_all that you may use to check if one or more strings are all contained in another given string. [42]
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 13 February. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 14 February. It will be on all wikis from 15 February (calendar).

Meetings

You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 13 February at 18:30 (UTC). See how to join.
You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 14 February at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

The settings page and beta options for the mobile website are being improved. [43]

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21:59, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

Ryan Mason

I was going to have a go at a clean up of his article, but I think I am going to leave it for now until the few other editors stop having a go. Such a shame for him to retire so early from football. There was a little bit of vandalism that you might want to keep your eye on, regards Govvy (talk) 12:48, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for comment, was sad to hear the news this morning. Keith D (talk) 12:51, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Advice for a novice editor

Hello Keith D I am relatively new to wikipedia. In my job as editor of Ibiza's English speaking newspaper I am experienced in writing objectively and concisely - however I have little experience of wikipedia's particular requirements in terms of citations etc. I noticed that you made an amendment to an article I extended and corrected yesterday. I see that you are a level 4 editor. Can I ask, does the fact that you made that one fix to the date field in a citation mean that the rest of my article was broadly speaking OK, or was it just a case that you were drawn to the one error and fixed it without referring to the rest of my article? Regards Nick — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gibbsyns3 (talk • contribs) 15:39, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Hello, welcome to editing. Unsure which article you are referring to, but I expect it was just the cite error that I was correcting without reading any of the rest of the article. I tend to try and fix new date errors in cites to stop the backlog of 30,000 articles with errors growing. Keith D (talk) 17:54, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Access-date

Hi. You were kind enough to fix a WML problem I had with Indonesian army recently, and I am having the same problem with a recent edit I made to Tanah Lot. I simply cannot understand what the error is in the access date parameter. Would you be able to have a look and let me know? It's really annoying me, and I've spent ages trying to work it out. This kind of thing makes editing frustrating and makes me want to give up. Is there a bug? Thanks a lot. Davidelit (Talk) 09:06, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi, it looks as though someone else has already fixed the problem. The date you specified is in the future which makes it invalid, it allows one day ahead of UTC to account for time zones but any more than that will trigger an error. Keith D (talk) 10:56, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Yes - sorry. severe case of brain failure and not seeing the wood for the trees. It's been a tough week. Thanks Davidelit (Talk) 04:38, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-08

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

The explanation of the abbreviations on the recent changes page could overlap with the list of changes. This has been fixed. [44][45]
You can now see statistics for pageviews per wiki per country. You can see this on maps or in a table. [46]

Problems

Linter is reporting estimated counts instead of actual counts for some wikis. This is because of performance problems. You might notice a false higher number in linter counts for some categories. This will be fixed as soon as the performance problem has been fixed. [47]
Last week the way that Visual Editor displays references lists was changed. As a result, the references generated by specific templates like {{sfn}} are not visible in the references list whilst editing. [48][49]

Changes later this week

The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 20 February. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 21 February. It will be on all wikis from 22 February (calendar).

Meetings

You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 20 February at 19:30 (UTC). See how to join.
You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 21 February at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

The way edit summaries and log comments are stored in the database is being changed. In the future this will make longer comments possible. [50]
Edit conflicts could be solved in a different way in the future. You can test a new prototype.

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22:55, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-09

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

Checkusers and stewards can now view private data such as the IP address in the abuse log. This data is removed regularly. [51]

Problems

Last week's MediaWiki version was rolled back because of a bug. [52][53]
Since the deployment train last week until late evening on 20 February UTC, when you thanked someone for an edit, the thank went to the latest unthanked edit to that page. It didn't matter which edit you tried to give thanks for. This has been fixed. [54]
Special:Statistics did not take newly created pages into account since 13 February 2018. Because of this the statistics are recreated. [55][56][57]

Changes later this week

Users with version 10 of the Internet Explorer browser will no longer get JavaScript on Wikimedia wikis. If you use this browser on your computer, you can try upgrading to a newer version. [58]
The Wikinews wikis will switch to use the Remex parsing library. This is to replace Tidy. It will happen on 27 February. Other wikis will be recommended to switch soon when they have fixed the errors that must be fixed. Tidy will be removed in the middle of 2018. [59][60]
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 27 February. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 28 February. It will be on all wikis from 1 March (calendar).

Meetings

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19:52, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

List of highest selling music artists: Add Drake

List of best-selling music artists

Hey, Sorry to bother you but according to Drake's Wikipedia page he's sold 12 million albums and 74 million singles Worldwide, that's 86 million records, he's supposed to be on this list, thanks Jay el rey (talk) 20:54, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

I think the problem is a reliable source for the information, someone who regularly maintains the article may be able to help with this. The article talk page is probably the best way to achieve this. Keith D (talk) 21:27, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Very small parishes

Hi Keith, Great work deploying {{NOMIS2011}}, so far as I can tell we have you to thank for the majority of the 282 transclusions it currently has. I presume you didn't notice, but I did create Category:NOMIS2011 citations needing attention to catch missing IDs. Should I mention it in the talk or documentation?

I am aware that the data for some very small parishes was included with nearby larger ones in 2011 and I wondered if you have encountered any. As there isn't anything in the source except the map to explain this, I'm struggling a little to find an acceptable way to reference. I've used a Lancashire-based map to offer verification at Pendleton as it was already in the article and replaced the 2001 census ref with a county-wide one available on wayback machine. Do you have thoughts on this method before I copy it elsewhere (alternative map perhaps), and would you agree that it is better to use the 2001 population in the infobox in these cases?TiB chat 20:26, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

I have completed the East Riding of Yorkshire Civil Parishes, I did have one funny one Cottam, East Riding of Yorkshire where it was previously on the ONS site with a population of 108 but appeared to have no data available for it on Nomis, should be 1170211164. May be they have a slightly different threshold for availability of data. A small parish would be Grindale with a population of 98 in 2001. Unsure where the population is counted so have left with the 2001 figure and the dead ref, though have not tagged it. They do not appear to indicate that the figures include data for other parishes and what those parishes are, may be worth contacting them to point out the problem and see if they have any details that they could add to the reports to cover this situation.

I would put the tracking category details in the documentation, similar to {{infobox school}} which has a "Tracking categories" section.

I am going to publicise the template in the Yorkshire project Newsletter that goes out in the next couple of days, hopefully others will get on board and do some changes. Keith D (talk) 01:51, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

I would expect that in the case of Grindale, and Cottam probably (although I've not encountered that issue yet), a neighbouring parish will have grown by a similar amount, but as I don't know the area, I'm struggling to be much use. Are you aware of a national map that would show parish boundaries?TiB chat 19:28, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

The OS Maps & those on Streetmap give parish boundaries if you get the right scale for them, if you are looking for specific parishes. If you want county level maps we have a set with parishes shown in Commons:Category:Blank maps of counties of England these were derived from the OS data. I have produced a set for the East Riding of Yorkshire, from the blank, with the parish marked which can be seen List of civil parishes in the East Riding of Yorkshire. Keith D (talk) 00:51, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

hmm, I was looking for something I could use as reference like "Wards and parishes map". MARIO. Lancashire County Council. Retrieved 26 February 2018.. However I did find Grindale under Boynton, East Riding of Yorkshire and have edited both articles accordingly. No such luck with Cottam.TiB chat 19:27, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for updating those articles. Sorry I cannot help with the maps such as the one you mentioned. Looks like a couple of other editors have started to use the template since I sent out the Yorkshire newsletter. Keith D (talk) 14:00, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

Since the NOMIS note was put in the newsletter i have started replacing the references in North Yorkshire articles. As for the maps issue. If it is only a reference that is needed to Parish boundaries, then i have used the online county councils ones.Rimmer1993 (talk) 15:57, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

Asselby

Hi - I live in Asselby. The pub in Asselby is now called The Black Swan. Check here: https://www.facebook.com/BlackSwanAsselbyPub — Preceding unsigned comment added by Techwork (talk • contribs) 22:39, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

WikiProject Yorkshire Newsletter - March 2018

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01:00, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – March 2018

News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2018).

Administrator changes

Lourdes†

AngelOfSadness • Bhadani • Chris 73 • Coren • Friday • Midom • Mike V

† Lourdes has requested that her admin rights be temporarily removed, pending her return from travel.

Guideline and policy news

The autoconfirmed article creation trial (ACTRIAL) is scheduled to end on 14 March 2018. The results of the research collected can be read on Meta Wiki.
Community ban discussions must now stay open for at least 24 hours prior to being closed.
A change to the administrator inactivity policy has been proposed. Under the proposal, if an administrator has not used their admin tools for a period of five years and is subsequently desysopped for inactivity, the administrator would have to file a new RfA in order to regain the tools.
A change to the banning policy has been proposed which would specify conditions under which a repeat sockmaster may be considered de facto banned, reducing the need to start a community ban discussion for these users.

Technical news

CheckUsers are now able to view private data such as IP addresses from the edit filter log, e.g. when the filter prevents a user from creating an account. Previously, this information was unavailable to CheckUsers because access to it could not be logged.
The edit filter has a new feature contains_all that edit filter managers may use to check if one or more strings are all contained in another given string.

Miscellaneous

Following the 2018 Steward elections, the following users are our new stewards: -revi, Green Giant, Rxy, There'sNoTime, علاء.

Obituaries

Bhadani (Gangadhar Bhadani) passed away on 8 February 2018. Bhadani joined Wikipedia in March 2005 and became an administrator in September 2005. While he was active, Bhadani was regarded as one of the most prolific Wikipedians from India.

Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 03:00, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

Sykes Baronets

Dear Keith, I decided to transfer the information about the 5th Baronet to his own page, since I thought it was odd for him to be the only one with a biography on the Sykes Baronets page itself. I see you reverted the edit and I was wondering why. If it was because I didn't transfer any references to the new page, I can make sure they're included; and if it was for another reason, I look forward to finding out why. Thanks. Jcspurrell (talk) 17:40, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

I reverted the edit on the list page so as not to loose the information. This is because another editor had returned the individual page to a redirect. Keith D (talk) 17:45, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, Keith. Understood. Jcspurrell (talk) 17:51, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

Lupton family and George Goodman (politician)

Please check news refs are OK on both of these Yorkshire-based pages

Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge and also Edith Cliff

Please check that new refs on both of these pages are OK

Thanks as always, Ted

Tech News: 2018-10

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

You can now make longer edit summaries. [61]

Changes later this week

You can notify users in edit summaries. They will get a ping just as if they had been mentioned on a wiki page. [62]
On Special:AbuseLog you can now choose to list only actions that actually made an edit. Other actions are when the filter warned the editor or blocked the edit from being made. There are also more search options. [63][64]
Wikis can enable Citoid to provide automatic reference look-up in the visual editor and the 2017 wikitext editor, but it is complex. The tool will now warn in the JavaScript console if the configuration isn't correct. Soon Citoid will disable itself if the configuration isn't correct. Check that your wiki is configured correctly. You can ask for help if you need it. [65]
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 6 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 7 March. It will be on all wikis from 8 March (calendar).

Meetings

You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 6 March at 19:30 (UTC). See how to join.
You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 7 March at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

In the future you will be able to use global preferences. This means you could change a preference for all wikis instead of having to change it every time for each wiki. You can now test global preferences and give feedback.
You can now read about planned works on maps during 2018. This will be done by June. You can give feedback on the planned maps work.

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17:12, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-11

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

3D models can now be uploaded to Commons. [66]
Page Previews has been updated to use HTML for previews. This has fixed many issues. An A/B test was done on English and German Wikipedia to measure how it is used. Other changes were also made. [67]
Some edits have to be checked against too many conditions before they can trigger an abuse filter. If that is the reason no filter is triggered the edit will be tagged for review. [68]
Auto-saving has been added to the visual editor and the 2017 wikitext editor. Right now it is meant to help if your browser crashes or if you accidentally close a tab. [69]

Problems

The abuse filter did not tag all edits that should have been tagged after last week's MediaWiki version had come to the wikis. It was fixed on 9 March (UTC). [70]

Changes later this week

You can notify users in edit summaries. They will get a ping just as if they had been mentioned on a wiki page. This was originally planned to happen last week. [71]
It is now possible to specify the block parameters for each filter in Special:AbuseFilter. The parameters include block duration and if the user should be blocked from editing their own talk page. The block duration is separate for anonymous and registered users. [72][73]
A hundred Wikimedia wikis will switch to use the Remex parsing library. This is to replace Tidy. It will happen on 13 and 14 March. Other wikis will be recommended to switch soon when they have fixed the errors that must be fixed. Tidy will be removed in the middle of 2018. [74][75][76]
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 13 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 14 March. It will be on all wikis from 15 March (calendar).

Meetings

You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 13 March at 19:30 (UTC). See how to join.
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19:44, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Thoresby Hall

Can you please check vthat all refs are OK on this page please - thanks as usual. T. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.33.22.145 (talk) 08:40, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

Merseyside

Please stop your disruptive editing of continuously deleting the reference to Merseyside in the entry on Richard Corbett MEP (and anywhere else you are doing it). Southport is part of Merseyside, whether you like it or not. It is reasonable to mention that as well as the fact that it was previously Lancashire. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.237.155.82 (talk) 12:42, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Cliffe Castle Museum

Please Keith can you remove the thin grey lines of frame from the picture of Countess Manvers on this page to make the photo look more tidy. Just trim the edges if you can please.Thanks as usual. Ted.

Best I can do with a crop - just see part of frame at upper right corner. Keith D (talk) 14:15, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

History of Seacroft

Thanks for the crop. Can you check this page please - it is separate to the Seacroft page. Thanks again you are very clever and helpful. T. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.33.22.145 (talk) 06:32, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-12

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

On March 12 early morning UTC, the number of 503 error messages increased due to an issue on esams datacenter. It has been fixed. [77]

Changes later this week

The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 20 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 21 March. It will be on all wikis from 22 March (calendar).

Meetings

There is no Editing team meeting this week.
You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 21 March at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

From April 4, the autopatrol status of edits will only be accessible in the Recent Changes database table, so only for 30 days. [78][79]
In-Context Help and Onboarding is a new project, aiming to improve retention of new wiki editors. The goal is to give them short tutorials and other training experiences based on their activity. Collaboration team is expecting feedback and comments on the project talk page, especially from people working with newcomers.

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15:03, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Some of the interface icons and text sizes will change slightly, as part of the updates for improved accessibility and consistency. These icons are used in many features, including Notifications, Recent Changes, Beta Features, Visual Editor, 2017 Wikitext Editor, Code Editor, and others. While editor toolbars, dialogs, and menus will appear slightly bigger; elements on special pages will be slightly smaller. Functionality will not change. [80] [81]
The deprecated #toc and #toctitle CSS ids have been removed. If your wiki was still using these for fake Tables of Content (ToC) then these might lose their styling. They can be replaced with .toc and .toctitle classes where appropriate. [82]
TemplateStyles will be deployed to the Wikivoyages on 28 March 2018. [83]
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 27 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 28 March. It will be on all wikis from 29 March (calendar).

Meetings

You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 27 March at 18:30 (UTC). See how to join.
You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be one hour earlier than usual on 28 March at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

From 9 April, the sort order of categories will be distorted for a short time. We are upgrading versions of an internationalisation library (ICU) and using a maintenance script to update existing database entries. This will last anywhere from a few hours to a few days, depending on wiki size. Read more details. [84]
Changes are coming to search for Serbian projects. Cyrillic and Latin variants of a word and different grammatical forms of a word will be able to find each other. Read more on MediaWiki in Serbian or English.

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20:04, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

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