User talk:Kelevyam

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Hi

Totally understand. Just curious, are the references to Swedish media not considered reliable under the Wikipedia guidelines? As this article is about a Swedish author living in Sweden, all related articles would be in Swedish. I used the Swedish media references such as the newspapers that the quotes were referenced from. :) Kelevyam (talk) 18:43, 30 May 2023 ( Kelevyam (talk) 18:52, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Karin Dahan

The article Karin Dahan has been proposed for deletion because it appears to have no references. Under Wikipedia policy, this biography of a living person will be deleted after seven days unless it has at least one reference to a reliable source that directly supports material in the article.

If you created the article, please don't be offended. Instead, consider improving the article. For help on inserting references, see Referencing for beginners, or ask at the help desk. Once you have provided at least one reliable source, you may remove the {{prod blp/dated}} tag. Please do not remove the tag unless the article is sourced. If you cannot provide such a source within seven days, the article may be deleted, but you can request that it be undeleted when you are ready to add one. Maliner (talk) 18:39, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi

Totally understand. Just curious, are the references to Swedish media not considered reliable under the Wikipedia guidelines? As this article is about a Swedish author living in Sweden, all related articles would be in Swedish. I used the Swedish media references such as the newspapers that the quotes were referenced from. :) Kelevyam (talk) 18:43, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

I will suggest you to improve it at draft space and submit it for review. Do not repeatedly create articles which are not ready for mainspace. It is considered disruptive editing. Please take some time to familiarise yourself with Wikipedia sourcing guidelines. Maliner (talk) 19:13, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Here is your draft. Maliner (talk) 19:34, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you Maliner. I will try to improve it more. Try to find more references if possible. Then submit to review.

Sorry for the inconvenience. Thank you for the help. Kelevyam (talk) 19:38, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Concern regarding Draft:Karin Dahaan

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 17:08, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Concern regarding Draft:Karin Dahan

Hello, Kelevyam. This is a bot-delivered message letting you know that Draft:Karin Dahan, a page you created, has not been edited in at least 5 months. Drafts that have not been edited for six months may be deleted, so if you wish to retain the page, please edit it again or request that it be moved to your userspace.

If the page has already been deleted, you can request it be undeleted so you can continue working on it.

Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 17:08, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

December 2023

Hello Kelevyam. The nature of your edits gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, but you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being compensated by a person, group, company or organization to use Wikipedia to promote their interests. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially serious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a "black hat" practice akin to black-hat search-engine optimization.

Paid advocates are strongly discouraged from direct article editing, and should instead propose changes on the talk page of the article in question if an article exists. If the article does not exist, paid advocates are strongly discouraged from attempting to write an article at all. At best, any proposed article creation should be submitted through the articles for creation process, rather than directly.

Regardless, if you are receiving or expect to receive compensation for your edits, broadly construed, you are required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:Kelevyam. The template {{Paid}} can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form: {{paid|user=Kelevyam|employer=InsertName|client=InsertName}}. If I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits – please state that in response to this message. Otherwise, please provide the required disclosure. In either case, do not edit further until you answer this message. 331dot (talk) 11:42, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi

I do not have any financial stakes in promoting this topic. Therefor, I had nothing to disclose. Not sure why this was flagged as so. The page is not about me. It is not about an employee or employer of mine and I was not asked or hired by the publisher to write this. Kelevyam (talk) 11:47, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

You claimed that you took a picture of Karin Dahan and she clearly posed for you. What is your connection with her? 331dot (talk) 11:51, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi. I am not sure what this specific photo has to do with the rejection but hopefully I can give some insight. As the rejection was based on the assumption I was being compensated in some way. Which as I stated, I am not. I do not have financial gains from it. I built a page for a rising Swedish author, with a photo that I took. I may be incorrect (and feel free to link me to find out more), but I do not believe there is a rule against creating pages for people you know or familiar with (as long as it is not about yourself). Specifically: "Wikipedia requires that the person you want to create a page for should meet certain criteria to ensure the page's relevance and credibility." which I believe I did correctly. But again, if I am going at this incorrectly, I am here to learn. I am not here to dispute your reasons as I am sure you are a professional editor. I just wanted to clarify that I am not gaining anything. I hope to get insight as to how to make this article better so it can be approved, instead of giving the impression I am gaining something from creating it (as I stated: I am not). Hope that clarifies it a bit :) Kelevyam (talk) 12:04, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Okay, the draft was "declined", not "rejected". In the article submission process "rejected" has a specific meaning, that a draft may not be resubmitted. Declined means that it may be resubmitted. I didn't decline it because I suspected you were a paid editor, I declined it because the references were not done properly. Every substantive statement about a living person needs to be sourced, and sourced in-line with the text; see the biographies of living persons policy and referencing for beginners.

It isn't against policy to create articles(the preferred term, not the term "page" which has a broader meaning here) about subjects that you know personally- but you will need to make a conflict of interest declaration.

If you took the photo, there is no issue in that regard. That is often a red flag for paid editing. It kinda appeared professionally taken.

Note that when a subject is described as "up and coming" or "rising", that typically means they do not yet merit a Wikipedia article. A subject must have already arrived and be noticed to merit a Wikipedia article. Wikipedia is the last place to write about a topic, not the first. A topic merits a Wikipedia article if it receives significant coverage in independent reliable sources showing that it meets the special Wikipedia definition of notability- in this case, you will need to show that she meets the narrow definition of a notable creative professional or the broader definition of a notable person. 331dot (talk) 12:12, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi. Totally understand. Makes sense. Perhaps it is best to wait until she is more notable or becomes a bit more known in the market.

Since this might be deleted (as I will not be able to publish it now), is there a way to save the draft for a longer period so that if / when she is suited for her own article, then it is already there and I can just add more info as needed? Thanks again for the clarification. While it is sad that she can't get it up, since having it would help show she is a legitimate author, I also respect and want to honor the system here. Kelevyam (talk) 13:52, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Drafts are not deleted merely due to being declined; they are deleted if they are inactive for six months(and can still be recovered via WP:REFUND). TO keep it active you need only edit it once in the next six months. 331dot (talk) 14:04, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Ok great. Thank you and happy holidays! Kelevyam (talk) 14:08, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, happy holidays to you. 331dot (talk) 14:27, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Karin Dahan (December 6)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by 331dot was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

• If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Karin Dahan and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
• If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
• If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

331dot (talk) 11:43, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Kelevyam! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! 331dot (talk) 11:43, 6 December 2023 (UTC)