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Please check your changes!

You did capitalize some words in Ring deutscher Pfadfinderverbände and Union Internationale des Guides et Scouts d’Europe - even in the interwiki-links to the french and the german Wikipedia. While doing so, you destroyed these links. Please check all changes to links before saving. And please remember, not all important words have to be upper case. There are some rules in english spelling, too, as far as I unterstand. --jergen 15:04, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, I did it with the best of intentions, I thought them errors, as you do not capitalize some words, (like the words 'English' and 'German' and 'French', above, which in English are always capitalized). I do appreciate your additions and corrections and watching over the articles I post, you make them better, and together we get good information onto the Internet. I did not mean to upset you. Your brother in Pfadfinderschaft, Chris (kintetsubuffalo)

Sorry, if I sounded too upset; there are some different problems connected. First: I recalled the rules for language/country adjectives wrong, sorry for that - I just looked it up in my dictionary. Second: Your changes to links which destroyed the connection between articles. Terribly thing, you don't find the information you were looking for. And third: Your changes to foreign names - in Germany there is a wide difference between Ring deutscher Pfadfinderverbände (correct, abreviated RdP) and "Ring Deutscher Pfadfinderverbände" (wrong) - the second would give RDP as abreviation and lead to a confusion with the Ring Deutscher Pfadfinderinnenverbände.
One more tip: German Scouts use "Herzlich Gut Pfad" or simply "Gut Pfad" (~ (Sincerely) Good Way/Path) instead of "Yours in scouting" in letters. It's also a common greeting between Scouts. YiS --18:03, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Template:EurScout

Nice and simple design, but I don't understand its sense - actually it links to the countries and not to the respective Scouting articles. Shouldn't it be the other way? --jergen 22:15, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Jergen, my friend, I am so glad you wrote, I was going to write you on my next break from work, looks like you got here first. I wanted to ask you the _exact_ same question-that was my very first attempt at designing a template, how do I get it to link to each Scouting article and _not_ to the country? Also, I want to redo the map of the region to be more in line with Wikipedia maps (you know, the grey maps that contributors color to show what countries are involved in something), but I do not have Photoshop. Would you work on this with me? Danke and Gut Pfad, Chris (Kintetsu Buffalo)

I fixed the formatting of the template. Actually, I feel it's a little bit to wide - but I haven't found out how to change this. I put the template in all mentioned articles, but I'm not shure if Plast is the right link for Ukraine - AFAIK WOSM tries to set up a new Scouting body.
Concerning the map, unfortunatly I don't have Photoshop either.
I just added another template for the navigation between the WOSM regions: template:WOSM Regions. --jergen 09:17, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Hi Jergen, I agree about the wideness, I think it is due to the map. Even if we go to a grey map it would still be wide. What is AFAIK? Right now there is not a regular article on general Ukrainian Scouting, and until there is an article, leaving Plast out would be ignoring the elephant in the elevator. Do you have new info on what WOSM is doing in Ukraine? Very cool links you've done! Kintetsubuffalo 23:08, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

AFAIK - as far as I know --jergen 17:05, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Scouting in the Ukraine

In 2004, SPOK (Spilka Pionerskykh Orhanizatzii Kyieva - Ukrainian Scout Youth Public Organization) applied for WOSM membership. Since more than 5 % of the NSO (National Scouting Organizations) voted against the application, SPOK wasn't admitted to WOSM and a special mission of the World Scout Comitee was send to the Ukraine. (Amongst the opposing votes were Germany and the BSA). Actually WOSM is trying to set up a new Scouting body out of PLAST and SPOK. You will find more information in some documents issued by WOSM:

Informations on the history of the recognition of Ukrainian Scouting can be found here: http://www.ukrweekly.com/Archive/2001/200129.shtml

SPOK's homepage: http://scouts.org.ua/

In my opinion, the main problem with PLAST's membership is the fact that PLAST is an international body with member organizations all around the world. See http://www.plastscouting.org/ --jergen 17:05, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Jergen, you're great, thank you, buddy! Are the changes I made acceptable? Also, can you find any such WOSM pdf documents related to Kyrgyzstan? I used to live there and am insanely curious to know newer information. Gud Pfad Kintetsubuffalo 21:08, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Scouting In Turkic Central Asia

This article is marked for Wikification, which I was going to do, but I can not tell what the parent organization for Scouting is in Uzbekistan. What is the actual name? Rlevse 15:33, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

There is not yet a "parent organization", which is why we left the name the way we did. Also, please do not make IATP a category in the articles, it is a US State department function, not a Scouting organization. Think of it like a grant-org. Kintetsubuffalo

I'm sorry Chris, my Turkmen level is 2. I'm there to make some activity. I'm mostly active in Turkish wikipedia.tr:User:Ugur Basak.--Ugur Basak 08:08, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you, I do appreciate your answer. Perhaps you _could_ help with this-I need to know what "Be Prepared" (Daima Hazir) would be in Turkmen, might you know? Thank you, Chris Chris 16:17, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

(Just info:, Turken, Azeri and Turkish are very similar most of the words roots are same). "daima häzir" may be more correct of it. Daima means always hazir means ready, prepare. And it means something like "Daima Hazir". Can i ask why do you so interested in Turkmen.--Ugur Basak 23:24, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I lived two years in Kyrgyzstan, so the area is one I would like to see the rest of the world know about, it is beautiful, with great food, nice people and much potential. But when people think of the former Soviet Republics, they often do not take the -stans seriously. I want to make Central Asia more well known, as best I can. Thanks, Chris 00:43, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Merit badge collecting

I've written and article on Merit badge collecting and thought you may like to take a look at it. I've submitted it for peer review. Rlevse 14:15, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Sources for Svenska Scoutrådet, Asociación de Scouts Dominicanos, whichever next 'ditto' comes along...

Hello, good work on Svenska Scoutrådet, and thanks for the contribution. However, you forgot to add any references to the article. Keeping Wikipedia accurate and verifiable is very important, and there is currently a push to encourage editors to cite the sources they used when adding content. What websites, books, or other places did you learn the information that you added to Svenska Scoutrådet? Would it be possible for you to mention them in the article? Thank you very much. - SimonP 04:56, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Actually, it came from a very simple one-liner at the chart http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_Organization_of_the_Scout_Movement_members, I just turned the data into the seed of an article. So it was already here on Wiki for me to extrapolate. Chris 05:17, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Hello, good work on Asociación de Scouts Dominicanos, and thanks for the contribution. However, you did not provide any references or sources in the article. Keeping Wikipedia accurate and verifiable is very important, and as you might be aware there is currently a push to encourage editors to cite the sources they used when adding content. From what websites, books, or other places did you learn the information that you added to Asociación de Scouts Dominicanos? Would it be possible for you to mention them in the article? You can simply add links, or see WP:CITET if you wish to review some of the different citation methods. Thanks!  BRIAN0918  04:58, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

see note above for Svenska Scoutrådet, it came from a very simple one-liner at the chart http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_Organization_of_the_Scout_Movement_members, I just turned the data into the seed of an article. So it was already here on Wiki for me to extrapolate. 05:02, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Sojuz na Izvidnici na Makedonija

You are welcome. I wasn't sure if I should leave the Macedonian versions in as well, so I hope you will take care of it now the way you like it. I'll also attempt to translate the couple I missed, as soon as I get a hold of a dictionary :) --dcabrilo 06:41, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Your mail

reached my pop3-server, but I can't download it, the server broke down. Please be patient, it should work again tomorrow. --jergen 18:39, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Merit badge collecting FAC

I have put this article Merit badge collecting (BSA) up as a Featured Article Candidate. Many improvements have been made this week. I thought may like to look at it again and if so inclined, vote on it. Thanks Rlevse 00:31, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

VANDAL REPORT

Chris: A page I've been working this am was vandalized just now, 12:46pm or so on 16 Dec, east coast time. The article is The National Scout Organization of Thailand and they put a large photo of a male penis on it. The edit does not show up in the edit page, nor does the use show on the history page. HOW DO I FIX THIS AND REPORT IT??? Rlevse 17:52, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

PS THEY JUST DID IT TO MY Merit badge types (BSA) page too. Rlevse 17:54, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

UPDATE the porn image disappeared just now, but I want to trace it and report it if possible. I find it interesting it happened to two of the Scouting pages I work on at the same time. Rlevse 17:56, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

66.240.8.178 inserted the offending picture in one of the templates used in both articles (and also a lot more) - so his vandalism doesn't show in the history. He's banned for the next two weeks. --jergen 21:22, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Good job Jergen!!Rlevse 21:25, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Computer died

My home computer with all my notes of things I was going to add to articles burnt out last night, so I can only make changes to things I see from work for a while. Chris 23:29, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Your questions ...

Hello Chris, Merry Chrismas! I'll be offline for some days - afterwards I'll try to answer all of your recent questions. --jergen 14:06, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Tupelo / Sweetgum

Hi Kintetsubuffalo - thanks for the clarification (and my apologies for messing it up if I did!). Might be worth checking against the pics at Tupelo and Sweetgum to see if either pic matches the relevant trees - MPF 21:26, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Merit badge FAC

I have re-submitted the article Merit badge types (BSA) as a FAC. Any input you may have would be appreciated.Rlevse 13:28, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Africa Scout Network Fellowship

Shouldn't information about this network be a separate page, not part of the Africa Region page, since it's a UK initiative rather than an initiative of the Africa Region?

(Just like if there was a Malawian club for Scouts visting Egypt, I would expect to see information about it on the Malawian page, with at most a link to it from the Egypt page...) Zaian 16:26, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

It's a great question, but I would say "no" for two reasons-#1, there is so much to be said about the UK Scout Association that it would be merely a sidenote on that article, whereas it is specifically related to the whole of African Scouting, where someone would go looking for it; #2, there are four other initiatives of the UKSA that are on the individual country Scouting pages, as _affecting_ local Scouting from an outside source-Poland, Russia, Uganda and Serbia-Montenegro. Chris 18:39, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

African Scout Associations

Nice work on adding pages for so many African Scout Associations, especially since many of these organisations are quite small and don't have websites of their own. Are these pages categorised together anywhere at the moment, or do you have plans for this in future? (I'm afraid I haven't worked out categories and templates yet, so I'll definitely bow to your experience on this!) Zaian 00:08, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi, and I'm glad you understood why I moved the other discussion to the article itself. Jergen and I developed templates for each of the world Regions, they are in his workshop on his userpage. His idea is that the template should be put on once 50% of the nations in a Region have their own articles, which I was trying to do today but got sidetracked. The addition of the template will categorize them together and make them easier to access. Yours in Scouting, Chris 00:14, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

MB IDENT

Ebay item 7735203216 is a Colonial Philadelphia merit badge. It was only available from 1975-76 to Scouts in the Philly area and could only be counted towards palms, not any rank. It came in a green border and a "yellow" border (a very yellow-green). I own a gb, and have a bid on ebay on a yb right now. FYI, my ebay ID is also rlevse. YIS, Randy Rlevse 22:51, 2 January 2006 (UTC) PS: It's the only time National approved a regional MB for any such use. For example, some years ago, a council in Washington state had an anti-drug MB, but it couldn't be used for rank or palms. Rlevse 23:07, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Search idiosyncracies

I've been trying to find this out and thought you may know. I've started 4 articles from scratch: the first in early Nov, second and third in late Nov, and the fourth in early Dec. Only the first one shows up in the search engine--it started doing so in early Dec. Why don't the other 3 show up yet? Rlevse 23:14, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Randy, what were the article names? I have never seen that happen, they may have been speedily deleted, but it would have shown up on your watchlist if so. ps-also, do you have Photoshop? There is a method for my asking. YiS, Chris 05:29, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Chris: Go to my user page, they are listed there. They still exist--were not deleted. I do not have photoshop--What are you trying to accomplish? Rlevse 11:01, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Randy-what I mean to accomplish, well, look here User:Kintetsubuffalo/workshop Chris 19:15, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Chris: Here're the ones listed on my user page, I created all but the Thailand one (which I did lots of writing on as you know):

None of the others show up in searches and were created late Nov or early Dec. If it takes this long for Wiki to pick up articles in searches, they need to work on that--Rlevse 14:20, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi Chris: Any ideas on why they don't show up? Rlevse 11:02, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi Randy-I am hornswoggled-the Mirecki and IATP articles pop for me, but the Pocceschi and John Wayne ones do not, and I'm sorry, I have no idea why. :( Chris 19:29, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

"workshop" pages

hi Kintetsubuffalo -- you created a few "workshop" pages, and an index of them at User:Kintetsubuffalo/workshop. However, the three specific articles are in the main wikipedia namespace, not the user namespace. I assume you intended Kintetsubuffalo/workshop/WAGGGSworldmap to be User:Kintetsubuffalo/workshop/WAGGGSworldmap, and so on. Would you move those pages, and then mark them with the {{db-author}} tag so they can be deleted? Thanks. bikeable (talk) 06:19, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Scout Template

Thank you for thinking of me for the Scout template. That's very considerate and a very well done template. Yes, I'll move it to my user page. Rlevse 11:03, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Have you thought of making the two templates (I put both on my user page) add one to Scout category? (the Eagle Scout template does this). Also, you may want to link the phrase "Scouting memorabilia" in the collecting template to Scouting memorabilia collecting. Rlevse 12:40, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, Randy, I made they hyperlink, but cannot figure how to make them link someone to a Scouting category. If you want to mess around in my workshop, feel free. Oh, and I am working on those world maps. Chris 18:34, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Chris: I only added one line of code to make this happen and create the category Category:Scouting memorabilia collectors. Then I noticed the category only adds users who add the template or resave their user page, not ones like you who already had it on their page. So, I had to open your user page, hit the space bar, and resave it. You and I show up in it now. You should notify anyone else using it to do likewise. I only know of you and I. PS: we could put it under "Wikipedians by organization" like the Eagle Scout template, but I think it fits better under "Scouting". Rlevse 21:44, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Rhodesia

Thank you for keeping the faith with that once-great nation and its people. I've been doing my best to keep the relevent pages updated and added to, and I see you're doing likewise. Dit is baie goed, Meneer. Expatkiwi 04:30, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, sir, I very much appreciate that. Have you seen my article at History of Scouting in Rhodesia? Chris 08:10, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Rhodesia
Rhodesia

Lest We Forget.

P.S., The BSR page was quite interesting, by the way.

Scouting in Durham, Ontario, Canada

Thanks for fixing that on the Durham, Ontario article. I remember when I was writing it that I made a mental note of searching for Scouts Canada, although I obviously forgot. Thanks for the help.

Scouting Project

Chris I just saw you on the Scouting project talk page Gadget started and I went..."But I had him on that list, why'd he do that?" DUH, somehow during the editing I must have accidentally cut your name out as I distinctly recall having it in there. I'm sorry and am glad you found it. Rlevse 22:59, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

former scout

The "former scout" template I created was just a personal thing, I truly have nothing against scouts. I only added it to the userbox page thinking there might be someone else who could use it, like the many other boxes in the list. Once again, I have nothing against scouts and if you want to change the picture or remove it from that page, it doesn't bother me. Alex43223 05:46, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Cool, thanks, and I appreciate your response! Chris 05:49, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
I see where Chris felt the symbol could send the wrong message, so I agree an image change would be in order here. Rlevse 11:11, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Article format

For future reference, please bold the article's namesake title the first time it appears on the page. I edited your scout articles to format it this way. Good luck :) Trilemma 19:13, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I spaced it, it's a slow work day and I am just filling in some gaps. @:^} (Chris' best sheepish Charlie Brown grin) Chris 19:26, 16 January 2006 (UTC)


BSA-Centrism etc.

I'm going to have to get back to you on this, I must have tagged "a billion" articles today. Its going to take some looking to compile a list of what I was talking about. But I think you may be taking my comment too seriously, I think there are a lot more scouting articles out there than you and I know about, and probably a lot that you have not seen or worked on. I'm sorry if my comment was unsettling lol. /hug. I'll try find some examples if possible, but it might be a few days. --Naha|(talk) 04:47, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Someone else just made a similar comment here. --Naha|(talk) 21:43, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I like the scout logo page in your workshop. Rlevse 22:19, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Scout Categories

I left this on Silence's talk page and am sure you can follow the reasoning, so I'll be working the real people categories in a moment..."

Our project has been formed and the talk page is at: [Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Scouting]]. We decided to name it just Scouting, not Scouting and Guiding, so I will make a category "Scouting members" and move the real people into it. The reason for just "Scouting" is that we felt it created more of a sense of oneness, as opposed to "Scouting and Guiding", which implies two that were joined." Rlevse 22:34, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Chris: Please see: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Scouting/RulesStandards#Hierarchy_of_Categories and let me know your thoughts on how to recategorize articles where it's needed. BSA was a subcat of Scouting, but it should be under WOSM organizations, so I moved it. I have redone the members' cats and am now working on the encyclopedia cats. I am specifically looking at the articles on Hong Kong, Canada, UK, Poland, and Singapore as their categories seem out of whack with all other countries. Rlevse 00:00, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi Randy, I'm not sure I understand all of that, but do what you think best. I think the reason Hong Kong, Canada, UK, Poland, and Singapore are thus is because they are homegrown, started long before Jergen or I got to them. Chris 01:45, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

I think I'll make them articles under Scouting, and then move the cats for them to WOSM/WAGGGS. They're definitely out of sync with the other stuff.Rlevse 01:48, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
(Chris smiling and nodding as though comprehending, slight drool-string)-sorry, today was a workday and I was in meetings and had to fight off a troll on that workshop page. And apparently they play football in Denver, so I have been told. Chris 01:52, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
I mainly moved them under WAGGGS and WOSM, making the country cats subcats.Rlevse 17:57, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

temp page

I have moved you page to User:Kintetsubuffalo/workshop/Gallery of Scout and Guide national emblems/Temp. -- RHaworth 07:43, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Scouting Barnstarn

Did you see this proposal? Scouting Barnstarn --evrik 19:43, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the heads-up! :) Chris 19:58, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Category and people name

Chris: for cats like Bronze Wolf, after the cat, put the name like this or it'll show up under their first name: Baden-Powell, Olave Rlevse 02:19, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Baron Rowallan

I think he was Chief Scout in the UK in the 1950s but I do not have confirmation or dates. This is not mentioned in the article. --Bduke 12:25, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Found it. Yes. 1945-1959. --Bduke 12:31, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Korea Scouts

What Korea article did you like to the Korean Scout article? Both Korea and South Korea reveal no hits from searching for "Scout". Rlevse 22:33, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

For some reason the self-appointed arbiter of the South Korea page removed the link that afternoon. I tried to put it back and it was removed again. But it was on long enough to have someone translate stuff into Korean. Chris 22:42, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
See my response on that talk page.Rlevse 23:43, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

State template

I like the Scouting by state template you've made. Perhaps it could be an umbrella for our state/council/lodge issue. Rlevse 03:34, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, brother, that is exactly what I meant it for, and why I dug it out of mothballs. Chris 03:43, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Denver Area Council

Deleted per your request. Have a good one, Just zis  Guy, you know? [T]/[C] AfD? 11:59, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Thank you so much, it is helping in getting the articles combined and improved! Chris 18:03, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Scouting around the world

Chris: read the afd talk on this and see if there's anything we can do about JiangRlevse 12:53, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Category war

Please see Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_January_27#.5B.5B:Category:Boy_Scouts_of_America_controversy.5D.5D_and_.5B.5B:Category:Boy_Scouts_of_America_controversies.5D.5D_to_.28he_didn.27t_say_what.29 and comment on the two listing on Scouting categories. Rlevse 13:07, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

What URL are you talking about?

Page Blanking

On 28-Jan, you blanked List of BSA local councils and districts in overseas areas. Blanking pages is generally considered a bad idea. Since you merged this list, the best course is to redirect the article. I have redirected it to List of BSA local councils and districts since you appear to have incorporated the information in the template there. If you believe the page should be deleted, please follow the deletion procedures. Thanks! -- JLaTondre 13:58, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I got so caught up in the name-change and improvements for the pages, I don't normally do stuff like that, thanks for the catch. @:^} (Chris' best sheepish Charlie Brown grin) Chris 18:09, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

No problem. -- JLaTondre 21:26, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Scouting in Texas

Thanks for letting me know about filling in some blanks on Scouting in Texas. Have a great day! Dustimagic *\o/* (talk/contribs) *\o/* 17:29, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

State Scouting

All I did was link the pre-existing Tidewater Council article into the Scouting in Virginia article (Tidwater also covers part of NC--what to do in those cases?). I didn't rewrite the state article as I've spent most of today creating the Scouting Portal. Do you want to delete/redirect council articles into the state articles? Rlevse 18:49, 28 January 2006 (UTC) PS: is merging council articles into state articles what we're doing? Big states would get big articles with that. Perhaps state articles should have council articles as sub pages. Just suggestions. I guess I am confuses here-;) Rlevse 18:55, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

All is well, Randy, carry on, I just want to make sure we're reading from the same page. There are enough who _don't_ participate in the ScWP who still have their own ideas as to what to do with articles we've already agreed upon, it's just good to make sure all our participants are speaking the same language and that I am in line with the thinking of our progenitor (that's you). :) I am finally unsick and am going to spend the day out with a buddy. Chris 18:59, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
ps-the portal looks _fantastic_!
pps-there are several of my Eurasian articles that have been marked for cleanup. I myself am too close to the subject to see what they're wanting, but I want to make them better articles. Can you and Naha help me on that?
  • your new note*-I have wondered what to do on that same topic, as several councils have well-loved, nice big articles. Perhaps in those instances we can put a stub on the state page, and put see main article at... like the Scouting page does? Chris 18:59, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
    • Sounds good, for well-developed council articles, let's put a stub in the state article and refer to the main one. Rlevse 19:08, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
    • My current thought on OA Lodges is to do the same; mention them in the state article section where appropriate, and link to a large article on the lodge if it exists. What do you think? Rlevse 21:23, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Schuck

See talk page on Arthur Schuck. Do you know for sure what the answer is? Rlevse 11:41, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Bronze Wolf

See Bandalag Íslenskra Skáta about a Bronze Wolf. Rlevse 12:08, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Randy, good catch, but it was me that put it on there. Here's how I am working it.
If someone already has an article, I put the notation and category link on there.
If someone already is mentioned in an existing article, I make them a full article as noteworthy.
If someone is not already mentioned elsewhere, and there is a last name disambiguation page, I put notation of them on the disambiguation page.
If the national Scouting page is a stub, I put mention of their award directly on the page to bulk up the stub, as the award alone does not make them noteworthy for an article.
I have only done the BW thus far. As I go down the list for the World Committee, I find several that are both BW and WC, and _that_ makes them noteworthy for an article. At that point, I go back to where I have mentioned them, the disambig page or the national page, and create a stub article for them. But as I say this was put off since doing the state articles. Chris 17:43, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

List of Lodges by State

Chris, thanks to Rlevse for the invite to contribute to this project. (Is this the right forum to do this? Editing a page to correspond... just so weird-- maybe I missed your email somewhere). Really have my hands full with my own site; however, adding 47 lists to that existing page ignited a firestorm, so I'm willing to help clean up that mess ;). I am seeing the category page you set up at [[Category:Boy_Scouts_of_America]]. Can I make a similar one (not even sure how, will have to look at the code for the page). Tell me where it would be appropriate? You can email me at robhmac@yahoo.com YIS Robhmac 17:51, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Hey, Rob, yes this is the right forum to respond, I'm glad to hear from you, I've been eager to hook up before you lose your information in that delete vote. You really should not try to make a similar template, as agreed in the WikiProject Scouting, Council and Lodge information needs to go on the Scouting in x-state pages, not separate as by themselves they are non-notable as per Wikipedia standards. Chris 19:16, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Editing

LARS is on the project member list. See his talk page for my repsonse. 22:17, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Australian States Template

I have used your UK template to help me do one for Australia, pointing to links for articles such as Scouting in New South Wales. It is at User talk:Bduke/Workshop/Template:TSAUSbystate. For now I have just dropped a copy of the template into the Scouts Australia article? How do I go about putting it a proper place in the WP, not User, space? --Bduke 06:58, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Very cool! what you do is change the name, and when it brings up the new name, trim off all before 'template', and that puts it into the 'pedia. Also, it's officially 'Western Australia', isn't it? YiS. Chris 16:47, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
Yep, it is "Western Australia" - thanks. --Bduke 20:27, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Venturing Merge Explaination

You put up notices that you wanted to merge Powder Horn (Boy Scouts of America) into Venturing (Boy Scouts of America). The rationale for this has been questioned, and your input would be appreciated. Thank you. -- Thesquire (talk - contribs) 04:13, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Bronze Wolf Syria

See Scouting in Syria for a Bronze Wolf, he has no article nor is in the cat yet. You may want to archive some of your talk page, it's getting pretty big. Rlevse 15:49, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Scouting

You have nothing more to say? -- ran (talk) 02:04, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

I am leaving the above on here, and am clipping the first paragraph of Wikipedia:Civility-"Civility is a rule for the conduct of edits, comments, and talk page discussions on all Wikipedias. Whereas incivility is roughly defined as personally targeted behavior that causes an atmosphere of greater conflict and stress, our rule of civility states plainly that people must act with civility toward one another." Chris 02:16, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Chris, I am really sorry to just get your message that you are leaving the Scouting Project. I know WP can be frustrating, but I wish you would reconsider perhaps after having a week or so away from WP. You have and are doing a great job for the Scouting Project. Yesterday I was out at University preparing material for the Workshop I mentioned and then off to a social event in the evening, so with the time difference, I have only just found all the arguments that went on yesterday. It is early morning here. If you want to talk off-WP, my e-mail is on my User page. Best wishes, --Bduke 22:03, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Brian, I really appreciate it. I'm just tired of the vandals and the narrowmindedness and the rudeness this thing engenders. I had asked the project for some moral support in the issue where the guy above started attributing motives to my edits. I wasn't asking for them to back the stance I was taking on the issue, I wasn't chasing barnstars or soliciting votes for featured articles, plain-and-simple I was asking someone to come to my defense in the name of civility. They're not that caliber of people, I found to my sadness. What instead instead was written was a milquetoast reply on the Scouting talk page making it look like I had instigated the escalation. It didn't help the situation, and it put me in a bad light. I have enough things to worry about without having to worry about watching my back with others I've supported. Thanks, though, brother. Chris 23:28, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Image:--ScoutsChris3.jpg

Hi there. I'm sorry to see that you've run into some issues here on Wikipedia. It, unfortunately, happens from time to time, and I really don't know what to say about it. You're an excellent contributor to Scouting-related articles.

I had a question regarding the image at Image:--ScoutsChris3.jpg. I posted a message with more detail at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Scouting#Image Issues. I wouldn't know if you're using the correct tag or not. However, the fact that the image is labeled as fair use makes it so that we can't use it in templates, user pages, portals, and the like. It's basically a messy legal issue.

Do you have any more information about the image so that we could possibly label it as free? Thanks. — Rebelguys2 talk 17:50, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Okay, here's the information, if there are other questions I will answer them so you can get this used as you need.
1) This is a backpatch from my personal collection. It is from the Boy Scouts of Canada (now renamed Scouts Canada), and has not been their logo since at least 1967 (39 years by my count, which was why I used it thus).
2) I scanned and modified this myself in December 2004.
3) The reason it was used above others was that it is nondescript as to nationality, there is no national device or ornamentation except for the English-language "Be Prepared" scroll at the bottom.
4) My belief is that if you were to further modify this by removing the rocker, then it would be a logo that was never used in any form by any previous organization, and thus might count as free under Wikipedia guidelines.
5) Another way, and maybe the preferable one, to modify it so that it would be 'free', would be to include the Girl Guides trefoil behind the fleur-de-lis. This would assure WP that this is a new creation, and it would have the benefit of being coed. For instance, you could use the trefoil outline from Image:-p-ISGFbadge.gif in the modification.
6) The third way to get 'free', as I can see, would be to modify the colors, like turn the stars red or something. However, do bear in mind that green-and-gold are the traditional Scouting colors picked by B-P.
I'm still around, feel free to ask stuff, I just won't be a member of the Scouting project any more.
Thanks, Chris 18:37, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
The image you provided actually looks really nice. I wouldn't have been able to churn out anything better in Photoshop, myself. Thanks! I've left a message at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Scouting to get some further input. — Rebelguys2 talk 07:07, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Scouting barnstar

Rlevse 22:14, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Condolences

Chris: My deepest condolences about your wife. It's so sad, especially since I take it she died at age 28. While my wife is fine, my dad died when I was 12, so I can empathize deeply. Kindest regards and YIS, Randy Rlevse 19:02, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, Randy, right now I am trying to find a way to Japan on no money, being stonewalled by authorities there and wanting very badly to join her. Chris 19:15, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

What Randy said. I just lost my grandmother in September due to Alzheimers, and am expecting my grandfather to pass from the same disease soon. They had a tremendous hand in raising me during the first 10 years or so of my life, and it has been very hard. *hugs* to you and your family. --Naha|(talk) 19:16, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

I have no family that cares, thank you though. I do appreciate it. Chris 19:35, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Chris, I never knew your wife, but you painted a very loving portrait of her so what she meant to you is clear to anyone. There is not much that I can say, so take care - my prayers are with you. John Smith's 22:18, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, sir. I so much appreciate your thoughts on my Wife Sheri. That means so much to me, personally and deeply. She is still with me, in ways no one believes. How did you find me, may I ask? Chris 22:29, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
I noticed some of your edits on articles that I was interested in, so when I decided to check your page I saw the note. It's no problem - I wish all wikipedians were as thoughtful towards each other. John Smith's 17:08, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Please let me add my condolences as well. I have seen some of your edits and followed one from char siu to your user page, since I thought "Kintetsubuffalo" was an interesting user name. All I can say is that I am very sorry for your loss and I hope you are able to make it to Japan as soon as possible. MCB 01:44, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, sir, everyone is starting to prove to me that Wikipedia is really the community it hoped to be all along. Thank you so much. Chris 20:29, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Chris, I'm very sorry to hear about your wife and your loss. I also deeply appreciate your contributions to WP and I hope you are able to make it to Japan quickly. Tstockma 11:15, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, Tom. Her family doesn't want me around, so I am trying to get through this without any sort of support.
I think I know you, as you are from the Springs. Do you know Steve Miranda? Chris 17:56, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
Chris, I don't know Steve Miranda, I've only lived here for a couple years and I don't get around much anymore. I'm sorry there are issues between you and your wife's family, and you don't have support. We could meet for a cuppa joe sometime downtown. Tstockma 10:57, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Chris, I would like to add my condolences for your loss. You and your wife are in my prayers. --Tachikoma 21:39, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank you so much, that is so kind of you. Chris 23:25, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Sorry to hear about your wife...

Obviously nothing a complete stranger can say to make things better, but my sympathies for your loss. I live sort-of close to Tokyo, I know how hard it can be sometimes living in Japan, but I can't imagine how hard it would be to go through the sort of tragedy you have here. MikeDockery 00:09, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, Mike, you're a true gentleman and I appreciate your thoughts. Chris 00:11, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
I feel I should also apologize for the blithe remark about trees on the kami page. I will look into your question. MikeDockery 00:17, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
Not at all, Sheri liked your little joke, she is fond of making jokes at odd moments. (I speak of her as here, as, well, hence my question on theophany...) Chris 00:23, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
By the way, I noticed you're trying to come to Japan. Like I said, I live near Tokyo, so if I can help you with anything let me know. One thing you should look into is many airlines offer discounted tickets for people who have to travel due to the loss of a loved one. You should also contact the nearest Japanese consulate where you live, as well as the (American?) embassy when you get here. They will be able to help you. The bureaucracy in Japan is astounding in its inefficiency, and I'm sure they'll come off as coldhearted as well, but don't take it personally. That's just the culture here. MikeDockery 01:00, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Damn, life sucks sometimes. God alone knows how I would live without the mother of my children :-( Prayers offered up for solace, Just zis Guy you know? 00:41, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you so much. How did you find me, sir? Chris 00:43, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

You indicated above that you were having trouble getting the money for a flight to Japan. I found a fare of $524 roundtrip here. That's about as low as they ever seem to get. And you should be able to go to Japan on a tourist visa for up to 90 days without any difficulties. Hope everything works out. --日本穣 00:27, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

I appreciate that, right now it's not so much the money as that her family in Japan is grieving and is not yet ready to see me. But I so appreciate your help on my behalf, blessings to you. Chris 20:26, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

documentation of theophany by kami

Left you an example of it on the Kami talk page. If you need the actual reference, I can go digging for that as well. Also, if I may, my condolences on your loss. I know nothing that I can say can salve the pain, but I wish you all the best in this trying time for you.--み使い Mitsukai 03:20, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your help and diligence on my behalf, and for your kind thoughts. She appreciates it, as do I. Arigato, Chris 19:08, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Just a note

I know you may not know me, as we have not interacted much, but I've had a lot of respect for you, especially after seeing your work on Junák and other scouting pages. I hope to offer my condolences, and a reminder that the Wikipedia community is always here and willing to support you however you may need it. -Tim Rhymeless (Er...let's shimmy) 22:05, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

That is so nice to hear, thank you so much. Chris 03:05, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Puerto Rico Council

Chris: I'm not sure what you are concerned with on Gadget850's change: the fact he says it's a copyvio (and you do not feel so?) or the fact it was removed??? Does it need to be translated into English??? If it's a copyvio, will mere proper footnoting suffice to keep it in? Please fill me in more. Randy, Rlevse 16:26, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

I agree that much of it shouldn't be in Spanish, this is the English wiki afterall and if it's a big copy and paste, it should at least be footnoted. I'll look at this again tomorrow. Running out of time tonight. Thanks for mentioning it. Rlevse 01:57, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Look closer. It reads like an advertisement and I agree with Ed's change. Let me know if you have more suggetions. Rlevse 13:11, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Working in Japan.

Hey, you asked about working in Japan. By far the best way to work in Japan is through the JET Programme, which places native English teachers in Japanese schools. It's quite competitive, but well worth it. It's a great experience if you're chosen. You can do a web search to find out more information. Good luck! MikeDockery 10:00, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Shinto

Ah, shinto does not have well developed doctrine (of afterlife) though it's fairly ritualistic. That is why it is bit futile to try to approach shinto from theology. The best way to tackle shinto is to study it's ritual and try to accertain the meaning. It is often the case that such ritual or interpretation does not have textual basis. I do not know any book in English which deal with this aspect. FWBOarticle

Thank you. The reason I asked was about the absolution of sin after death. Thanks, Chris 17:36, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Please cite

Hi. Sorry to bother you, but could you please cite your recent addition to the Cheerleading article? Thanks. --Yamla 22:25, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Cyrillic map

Well, I have put Mongolia in dark green because although it seems there's some interest in revive the old vertical mongol ideograms, in practice the alphabet used in the day-bay-day life (including official Mongolian government sites) is still the Cyrillic one.

Best regards,

--MaGioZal 03:35, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

RE: Hi

Hello to you too :) I just read about your wife; I'm sorry. I'm glad you chose not to mourn her. I find you should celebrate a person's life rather than mourn their death. Ladysway1985 22:10, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, that's very farseeing of you! Chris 22:30, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Re: Thank you

Glad to help. :) Cheers, Sango123 (e) 02:15, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Japan article template

I didn't make it clear enough when I created it that it should only be used for project-specific pages related to WikiProject Japan. It shouldn't be used in the main namespace. I put a clarification on the project page, so hope that helps. (^_^) --日本穣 Nihonjoe 23:34, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

An article is project-specific if it's got "Wikipedia:WikiProject Japan" in front of it, or if it's a related "Wikipedia:" page such as WP:MOS-JA). It should not be used on any template pages, though. --日本穣 Nihonjoe 23:42, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

I reverted your edit at Singapore

Well, Scouting is one of the most prominent youth groups in Singapore, but as it is not a "subarticle" of Singapore, and education is, I reverted your addition. However, the contextual introduction of certain scouting activities will be welcome at Education in Singapore. This is just because of Wikipedia:Summary, so don't take offense. Cheers! Elle vécut heureuse à jamais (Be eudaimonic!) 03:25, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Scouting in New Zealand

The main New Zealand article only links to the highest level articles about New Zealand. Scouting could be linked to from Culture of New Zealand or maybe Sport in New Zealand, and it's already part of the category Category:New Zealand society.-gadfium 03:43, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Scouting in Vatican City

I've nominated the article Scouting in Vatican City for deletion, under the Articles for deletion process. We appreciate your contributions, but I personally don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the nomination (also see What Wikipedia is not and Deletion policy). Your opinions on why the topic of the article meets inclusion criteria and what should be done with the article are welcome: participate in the discussion by editing Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scouting in Vatican City. Add four tildes like this ˜˜˜˜ to sign your comments. You can also edit the article Scouting in Vatican City during the discussion, but do not remove the "Articles for Deletion" template (the box at the top of the article), this will not end the deletion debate.

If there is any evidence that Scouting does exist in Vatican City please let me know (either on my talk page or at the AfD discussion). My suspicion is that this page was just a placeholder. savidan(talk) (e@) 06:25, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Chris, Thanks for letting me know. Rlevse 18:47, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
Sorry if I erred, but seriously, are you telling me there are boy scouts in Vatican City. There arent really any permanent residents under the age of 18 there. savidan(talk) (e@) 20:28, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
All I am saying is that the World Organization of the Scout Movement is pretty specific about which countries don't have Scouting. I can't say about the Vatican, I would agree with you. But I have evidence of Scouting in the other countries you propose to delete, in the form of their national badges, which I plan to scan up when I get the computer working. I know those all have the same info, I planted them as seeds to encourage others to add to. Chris 23:40, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
Would you also be willing to accept Xorox's proposal instead. It seems like even if we get evidence of Scouting existing in these countries we won't have any information to differentiate them for years if ever. savidan(talk) (e@) 04:26, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
If they were merged, the current templates could be maintained because the articles would be redirected to "Scouting in countries with no national organizaton". I appreciate your intent of having people from those countries write the articles; however, in order for those articles (if they are ever written) not to violate the original research policy the sources would have to be published. Thus, if it is impossible for a non-member of scouting to write those articles, it begs the question. I did google and full lexis searches for all of these and was unable to find any information. I would of course support creating a subarticle once there is information to write, but I think it is silly to hold placemaker articles. In truth, it is unlikley that there will ever be much notable and verifiable information on scouting sans national organizations, and what little information there is (from scouting.org) and is likely to be published in the next decade will most likely be generic literature rather than specific to the individual countries. savidan(talk) (e@) 18:55, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
Chris-it may be wise to save the text of the articles in the Vatican CIty afd outside of wiki for future use. Randy, Rlevse 00:10, 19 April 2006 (UTC)YIS

FLC

Hey, have you considered making List of World Organization of the Scout Movement members a featured list candidate? I think with a few references, it would be a good candidate. Tuf-Kat 04:13, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Category Voting

Chris: I kindly ask you to vote to oppose Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_April_19#.5B.5B:Category:WOSM_member_organization.5D.5D_to_.5B.5B:Category:World_Organization_of_the_Scout_Movement_member_organizations.5D.5D

YIS, Randy Rlevse 22:26, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Possible copyright infringments

Hello Chris, over the last days you added content to a lot of Scouting articles, that was first published on http://n2zgu.50megs.com/ and its subpages. I'm not really happy about this for some reasons:

  • the possible copyright infringments on a large number WikiProject Scouting's articles,
  • the web page is outdated (last changes in 2001),
  • and the content is not very reliable. (I think you have seen my changes to the Luxembourgish articles.)

Could you please try to obtain a permisson to use these texts under the GFDL? Otherwise I fear we must remove the texts from the articles (and put in some new reformulated and doublechecked content).

Please read also Wikipedia:Copyrights and Wikipedia:Copyright problems for backgrounds.

YiS --jergen 08:33, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

PS: I want content on the associations history in the articles, but we have to follow Wikipedia's official policies. I'm very thankful for your contributions to international Scouting - otherwise I'd feel a little lonely in that part of our project. --jergen 08:33, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Jergen, I sure will speak to the fellow, he is a long-time friend of mine, I will try to obtain GDFL from him. Two things, I provided him much of his original information that he worked from back in 1994, and many things on his site are direct copies from the 1990 English language version of Scouting 'Round the World, so in my mind I was getting a return on the information I had given him. I certainly meant no copyright infringement or plagiarism, and I will speak to him as soon as possible. Thanks, your brother in Scouting, Chris 17:54, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
follow-up-I e-mailed Gregg at both addresses I have for him, and CC:d Randy Rlevse as I did not have your e-mail. I want this to be honest and never intended otherwise. Chris 19:09, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
Complete, thank you guys for sticking with me on that. Chris 23:49, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

List or redirect

Chris: Thought you'd like to know about this one...#Should this be a list or redirect? Talk:List of BSA local councils and districts PLEASE PARTICIPATE. Rlevse 22:13, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Randy, that guy's full of... himself. Chris 22:17, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
Brian (bduke) had an idea. Maybe we should just afd the page. Honestly, it's a relic anyway. Rlevse 00:00, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

If you are getting this, it is because you do or did work on Scouting articles (see Wikipedia:WikiProject_Scouting#Participants_and_primary_areas_of_interest).

As the Scouting WikiProject has been formed since early January 2006, we've had many great improvements made in this area of Wiki and I want to personally thank everyone for their help. We don't always agree on things, but we keep moving forward. YIS, Rlevse 22:09, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Scouting article work

If you are getting this, it is because you do or did work on Scouting articles (see Wikipedia:WikiProject_Scouting#Participants_and_primary_areas_of_interest).

As the Scouting WikiProject has been formed since early January 2006, we've had many great improvements made in this area of Wiki and I want to personally thank everyone for their help. We don't always agree on things, but we keep moving forward. YIS, Rlevse 22:09, 25 April 2006 (UTC) EXTRA FOR YOU CHRIS!

Pictures

Hi Chris, thanks for the new pictures. Some of them seem distorted to me, eg Image:Sudan.jpg and Image:Spainagde.jpg. Could you try to get better versions of these? The actual pictures are a good first step, but we should try our very best, shouldn't we? YiS --jergen 10:24, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

I am working on it as we speak, more soon. Part of the problem is that I do not have a scanner or working computer at home, so must rely on friends. If you can point me to better selections on these, I can capture and modify them for the articles. YiS, Chris 11:12, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Scouting Userboxes

I'm trying to get new images for the Girl Scout userboxes, but most of them are TM and I can't use them. I was told you were the person to come to for generic images, I was wondering if you could help me out? You don't have to do it right away or even get back to me right away, if you even chose to do it, since I see you are on wikibreak and looks like your pretty stressed, I hope things are going well for you. Thank you. Griz 00:51, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

That looks great! Griz 00:53, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
I really like the green background with the yellow, that's the one I am using right now on the template. I have a question, I took a picture of my own Silver Award, is that still trademarked by the scouts, or is it PD because I took a picture of my own Award? Griz 22:29, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
Looks like there's a picture for the Silver Award page and the SA template. Griz 22:32, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Central Asia

Hi, I'm trying to start some sort of working group to improve the coverage of Central Asia and related topics in Wikipedia. Leave a message on my userpage if you're interested. Aelfthrytha 02:58, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Scout logos

Hi Chris, I found this source today: http://www.dpsg-heisingen.de/html/mitglieder_wosm_1.php

After updating a large part of the existant images I run out of power. Do you take over? --jergen 19:52, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi Chris, I uploaded most of the images you requested. Actually missing are France's sub-associations, Norway KFUM (outdated) and ZSKSS (I have to search for this). I'll also upload the images for Svenska Scoutrådet's member, but not today... --jergen 18:06, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi Jergen, each of those images (France, Norway and ZSKSS) are on that http://www.dpsg-heisingen.de/html/mitglieder_wosm_1.php website. Even outdated, and image is better than a blank file. Also, is it okay what I did with the Girl Guiding info yesterday? Chris 19:42, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
I know, they are... but I got tired. Saturday we had a Scouting presentation on a state fair including a large tent we had to take down during a tempest. In the evening a meeting of our regional Scouting history committee. Yesterday was the annual meeting of our Scout foundation (bilances including some 100.000 Euros etc.). Hope you understand.
But I don't find ZSKSS on the list - there is only ZTS listed. --jergen 08:05, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

All requests are done, next are the missing WAGGGS-emblems (as far as they are avalaible). BTW, I like the additional information on Guiding; but I think we should start articles of their own as soon as possible - I've lots of informations on them. --jergen 11:38, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Nakayama Miki

Thanks for your article on Nakayama Miki; enjoyed reading and learning about this person. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ekoontz (talk • contribs) .

holdergals.net link

May I ask how you figure that the link to holdergals.net on the Cigarette holder article is a good link? It appears to be a fairly newly launched site with hardly any content at all... --AbsolutDan (talk) 03:00, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi fellow Wikiholic Dan! The reason I put it back is, aside from the fact that it was poorly added the first time, it is an attempt at community for those interested. If there is a better link to a related forum, please change it to that. :) I'm just trying to encourage connection for those of similar interest, and the link itself was not as bad as how it was put on there. Chris 16:44, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
Ok, fair enough, I suppose there's no harm leaving it there until something more extensive comes around. Cheers --AbsolutDan (talk) 17:15, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Question and Opinion

Take a look at the “Scouting in Connecticut” page and let me know what you think.

  • Maybe I should merge the current council into the one subject heading of “Past and Present Councils”
  • Do we need to identify each town in a district?
  • I also found 42 – 43 Boy Scout Camps, past and present, any suggestion how to add them?

Let me know what you think and who else can I ask to look at the article.--dep369 22:08, 24 May 2006 (UTC)Dep369

Thanks for your comments

  • 1 Like the rest of the Internet, Wikipedia abhors large strings of capital letters. Perhaps the way to get around this is to italicize what you now have in caps, or perhaps change the font color.Sounds like a good idea. I'll work on different colors.
  • 2 Wikipedia also dislikes "List of..." anything. You can take that out anywhere it appears in the article, and it will sound much better. We changed all these from "List of councils in x state" to "Scouting in x state" specifically so that Wikipedia would not delete them, as it had done to the lists of OA lodges. That was a pity, as the fellow had put a lot of work into it, but lists are bad, m'kay?Will change them.
  • 2a Wikipedia dislikes the use of postal abbreviations. If you don't want to spell out "Connecticut" for sheer volume, consider leaving out the state name in each instance, like Hartford instead of Hartford, Connecticut. I didn't even notice that I did not spell out Connecticut in the first section, where I did in all the other sections (and 169 times in the Girl Scout Section. I will fix this.
  • 3 I don't understand the addition of Honor societies where it is, can you explain? Someone added this when I had the Arcoon Lodge information as a separate article, so I just imported it over. The Info on Chi Sigma, which started out as a honor society could have influenced the person who tagged it..

But my original question was:

  • Maybe I should merge the current council into the one subject heading of “Past and Present Councils”
  • Do we need to identify each town in a district?
  • I also found 42 – 43 Boy Scout Camps, past and present, any suggestion how to add them?

any suggestions?

I can work on other Girl Scout Council list, at least current councils. But the same question bothers me, should we name every town? Let me know.--dep369 01:24, 25 May 2006 (UTC)Dep369

Chris 1, 2 and 2a have been done.--dep369 01:52, 25 May 2006 (UTC)Dep369

Eagle Scout Peer Review

I listed the Eagle Scout article for a formal peer review a few moments ago in the hope in about 2 weeks to list it as a FAC. Based on my experience with other FACs and one of my own successful FAs, I think there are two things people may object to: a) is the lead long enough? and b) are there too many lists? Please think these issues over. Thanks for all the help, Randy. YIS, Rlevse 11:46, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Japan W. Edwards Deming

Hi Chris,

Last week you placed the WikiProject Japan notice on W. Edwards Deming talk. I signed up for WikiProject Japan but am not sure how to go about finding an editor to help with the article. I am very knowledgeable about the subject matter but not about Wikipedia (newbie). I could use help with mark up, format, NPOV, and OR issues. I think the article is not that far from the good article criteria and would welcome assistance from an editor with more experience. Thank you. Leaders100 21:31, 7 June 2006 (UTC) 

      Thanks for the information, I will get in touch with Nihonjoe.
      Leaders100 01:00, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Chris,

Thank you for posting my request on Nihonjoe's talk page. Leaders100 01:05, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Scouting on Norfolk Island, etc

Hi Chris, I've tried to find info on Scouting in these places but I found nothing. If you find anything let me know but I think the links you made will remain red. Cheers, Brian. --Bduke 03:55, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Russian Scout graphic

Thank you so much for restoring that graphic! Cool Cat indeed! :) This was one of the images my Wife created for me, it means more than I can explain. Thank you so much. Chris 06:02, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

No problem, you might want to keep backups of important images. ;)
--Cat out 18:09, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

YMCA scout graphic

Hi Chris, The reason it's looks grainy is becuase there is a bug in Internet Explorer. IE does not show PNG images with transparancy properly. I use Firefox for my browser so i was unaware of the problem. I will fix the image so it looks right ASAP. Iain 04:33, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Welcome back

Chris, welcome back to the project. You know, you never really left-;) I'm very glad you are officially back and am always glad to work with you. And yes, Wiki is very frustrating at times, but it's also very addicting. FYI, today or tomorrow we'll list Eagle Scout (Boy Scouts of America) for FAC. Gadget850, a few others, and I have been putting a lot of work into it lately. YIS, Randy Rlevse 10:00, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi Kintetsubuffalo!!

I tried to find your email address... You seem to know about scouting in Eastern Europe. Well I know a little bit about it too. Soon I will be in Albania again. Can you send me an email? 

   ruudvdmeer@hotmail.com

barnstar!

The Graphic Designer's Barnstar
For all your help with the Girl Scout Userboxes, they could not look as nice as they do without the pictures you created for them. You have my eternal graditude. Darthgriz98 00:49, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Camp Wolfeboro

Do you really think that the Camp Wolfeboro article is better off as a note inserted into the Scouting in California article, rather than standing by itself? (I suppose the same question applies to a lot of the other substantial entries on various camps run by the different CA councils.) The Scouting in California article is already quite lengthy, and could probably benefit from a bit of trimming-up. Anyhow, I am curious why you have made this move. Thanks, Dave Runger(t)⁄(c) 19:36, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your timely and thorough reply. I suppose your position is a wise one. Thanks for all the good work you've been doing. Dave Runger(t)⁄(c) 22:55, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Thanks, Dave, that's big of you, we really are trying to make it a great project, and it is a big man who can fit his vision into that. Brother, your contributions are appreciated and most welcome. Chris 22:59, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

In the scouting's interest, would you care to respond to FAC for Baden-Powell House

Hi Kintetsu, as an active member of the Scouting wikiproject, would you care to respond to the wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Baden-Powell House. Any comment, either supportive or suggestions for improvement and similar feedback will be appreciated. Wim van Dorst (Talk) 16:10, 1 July 2006 (UTC).

Central Asia

WikiProject Central Asia has finally been created! If you're interested, please consider joining us. Aelfthrytha 21:51, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Inactive

User:Kkken hasn't made a Wiki edit since 19 Apr. I saw you left him a msg. Rlevse 01:32, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Hello

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Hope all is well in your world. South Philly 01:58, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Scouting in California

I haven't been a girl scout for two years ever since I moved up from Junior to Cadet. I don't know that I'd be much help- but I'll try... Sarahgal 16:40, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Intl Template

Nice Int'l Scouting template, I like it! I just discoverd I passed 12000 edits in just 8 months, I must be totally addicted! Rlevse 23:29, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi Chris, I changed International Federation of Former Scouts and Guides to International Scout and Guide Fellowship, see http://www.isgf.org/Welcome
Conerning the grewing number of templates: Shouldn't we try to develop something like a common design for them. Im not really content with the look of World Organization of the Scout Movement or World Association of Girl Guides and Girl Scouts as well as their regions' articles. --jergen 10:58, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Image

You wanted this? Have you seen the Guide shop at [1]? --jergen 12:23, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Scouting in Connecticut

Hello Rlevse,

Thank you for the input. I've corrected them. I have a question for you on the format. Most Scouting in articles contain very little regarding past councils, camps and lodges. The suggested format that you list the council and include the camp and lodge makes sense until you hit Connecticut where I think I found every council, every camp and every lodge. Does it make sense to list the three as I did or combine the three together. If combined, Camp Sequassen could be listed under 4 councils and where would the history go? To the last council? I've asked other folks, on an informal basis for their suggestions but received nothing back. I have more info to add, hopefully over the next several weeks. Any suggestion would be helpful.--dep369 23:30, 13 July 2006 (UTC)Dep369

I'm referring this to Chris, who deals with this area more than I. Rlevse 00:18, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Merge of Beaver Scouts and Beavers (Scouting)

Chris, this has been discussed before. The former is about the UK only. The latter is an international article about this section. When proposing a merge, could you use "mergeto" and "mergefrom" tags rather than just "merge" tags as this indicates clearly which is to become the redirect and which the main article. It also directs the debate to one talk page, not to both which is confusing. I'm opposed to a merge, but if you change the tags and give some clear reasons on the appropriate talk page I'll reconsider. Cheers, Brian. --Bduke 08:04, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Request for help with Scouting in Maryland

Chris, I don't know anything about scouting in MD, as I did not grow up there. I was a Girl Scout in PA under the Hemlock Council. C4bl3Fl4m3 15:35, 18 July 2006 (UTC)C4bl3Fl4m3

Boy_Scouts_of_America_membership_controversies

This is at FAC right now, it may be good to remove the merge until it's over. Rlevse 23:17, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

It's FA now, i'd say go ahead and put the merge tags back.Rlevse 13:52, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Merge?

129th Toronto Scouting Group Rlevse 12:29, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

What did you merge this into? I want to look before I afd it. Rlevse 00:53, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Scouting in Ontario (chris)
I too thought of putting this to AfD but I have chnaged my mind. It needs to be a redirect to Scouting in Ontario as people will look for 129th Toronto Scouting Group and Queer Scouts which redirects there. Of course, AfD might lead to a redirect, but I do not thing we can rely on it. We need to ask again on the talk page for the merge to be confirmed and it becoming a redirect. --Bduke 01:05, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
I JUST put a db on it, but after I saw this, I redirected it. GEEZ we're all on at the same time!Rlevse 01:08, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
agreed, redirect is better, thanks.--Chris 01:09, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
And I have fixed the links that were to "129th Toronto Scouting Group" to go direct to Scouting in Ontario. Let's hope it all sticks. --Bduke 01:50, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

PS: on the assessments, if you look you'll see some were moved from mid to high and the TOPs were increased from 9 to 42 yesterday, so it's not all one way. Rlevse 01:11, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

  • Chris, when you merge an article, the project rating on the talk page of what is now a redirect needs changed to non-article status. If you don't know how to do this, let me know when you merge and I'll do it. Rlevse 18:59, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Early Scout orgs

I thought you could help clear this up...in Scouting we claim that several associations existed by 1910, but Thai Scouting, founded in 1911, claims it was the third to form. Can you clear this up or know someone who can? Thanks. Rlevse 16:04, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Requested move

Hey, I am going to de-list your Savez Izviđača Srbije-1 → Savez Izviđača Srbije move request. The steps for requesting a page move were not followed so no one else had a chance to see or vote on the request. Those steps put the article in a category and make a convenient place to vote. Feel free to re-list the request. —Wknight94 (talk) 01:02, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

{{WPBiography}}

Hi there. I currently have a bot run underway tagging all living persons talk pages with the project template (Special:Contributions/Kingbotk) so you don't need to tag any manually. However, if you want to tag any manually please ensure that, if the person is still alive, you add the "living=yes" parameter, e.g. {{WPBiography|living=yes}}. My bot run isn't clever enough to modify existing templates, so if it finds a WPBiography template on a talk page it will skip it. No reply needed. Cheers. --kingboyk 23:34, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Local articles

You may want to keep your eye on (have a chat with the editor, etc) of Old North State Council and Cherokee Scout Reservation. He's been active, the articles may actually grow. Rlevse 21:20, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Mortimer L. Schiff Scout Reservation

as for the merge stmt, I have to say is something to the idea that reservations that are or were national should not go into a state article...?Rlevse 21:49, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough, but John Schiff Res was local, which is why I merged the one and not the other. Chris 23:53, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Feeling good today

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This barnstar is given to recognize particularly fine contributions to Wikipedia, and to let you know that your hard work is seen and appreciated. evrik 23:06, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Mortimer L. Schiff Scout Reservation

We may need to create a new category or rename the Nat'l HA one. MLS Scout Res wasn't a HA base, as far as I know. Let me know your thoughts.Rlevse 02:27, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Cradle of Liberty

Yo. I removed the merge on the CoL and T.I. articles. I watch those two pretty closely ... they are both significant enough to have their own articles ... --evrik 13:50, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Kun Musta'idan x20

What's the point in duplicating exactly the same paragraph in 20 articles? Also, whoever cares what's the Arabic translation for "Be Prepared", will of course look in that article, and not in Sahraoui Scout Association.

And what's the point in providing the Arabic translation of the word "boyscout"? This is not a dictionary. --tyomitch 15:25, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

A more constructive solution would be to move the paragraph to WOSM-Arab Region. The paragraph is equally relevant to all the members of the Region, and its article is already linked from all the members' articles. Is that good enough? --tyomitch 17:10, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I have to disagree about putting it in the region article. Each association should have its own info. But I also agree a little variety would be good. I suggest leaving the info in the association articles and varying the text in each some.Rlevse 23:55, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Tyomitch, I truly appreciate your energy, but that suggestion is actually not "good enough". First, it goes against the format of the 160+ other national articles;
ORLY? Asociación de Guías y Scouts de Chile (picked totally at random) doesn't give the Spanish translation of the motto. Organizatsia Na Bulgarskite Skauty (picked randomly again) doesn't either.
second, the Scout Motto is not specific nor particularly pertainant to the Arab Scout Region;
The Scout Motto isn't, but the Arabic translation is.
and third, the removals do not give the reader which languages or variants are used in that particular country.
A reader can navigate to Western Sahara and read in the infobox at the very top that the official language there is Arabic.
Please leave them as they are. Besides, there has been some discussion about dividing up or renaming Be Prepared, as it is too much a catchall to be of use to most. We very much appreciate your contributions, but unless you'd like to join the Wikipedia:WikiProject Scouting, we'd prefer to let those with some connection to the topic be the arbiters of what is noteworthy in each article.
IMO it isn't a question of noteworthiness, but that of general style. I am not personally connected to the Scouting, and being an independent reader, it just struck my eye to see 20 repetitions of the same paragraph in every article.
Now, if you _do_ want to add the Arabic to the Scout articles for Palestine and Syria, we would really appreciate your contribution (and thanks for the ones you did already, that's a lot of work). In thanks, Chris 01:51, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, and the Iraqi one. I will do that as soon as I have some free time again. --tyomitch 06:51, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Merge

Why are you proposing to merge Wordl Cons. Award with Green Scouting? The WCA is a BSA award. I don't get the connection.Rlevse 15:58, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Philmont_Scout_Ranch#Improvements.2FAttention_tag

You'll like what Radagast has to say.Rlevse 01:44, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Pahaquarra Boy Scout Camp

Here's one that's "interesting"...Rlevse 11:47, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Scouting in the Northern Territory

Hi Chris, the badge you added has nothing to do with the Northern Territory. Thursday Island is the largest island in the the Torres Straits between Cape York and Papua New Guinea and is part of Queensland. I reverted the change. Sorry buddy. BTW I fly to London tomorrow for conferences and seeing my kids for 6 weeks. I will not be very active on WP. Brian. --Bduke 00:09, 27 August 2006 (UTC)


BPSA

I just talked to some people in Baden Powell Scouts Association and they asked me to edit the articles in accordance to their wishes. The IT-officer of Baden Powell scouts Ireland and UK lives close to me so I regulary meet up with him to see how I can edit it to a good article that is approved by Baden Powell Scouts. They wish it to be more like an advertisement while Wiki's policy is NPOV. I just edited the articles and I'm waiting for approval from them and wikipedians. Jorgenpfhartogs 05:32, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

World Association of Girl Guides and Girl Scouts (WAGGGS)

Hi, I've seen that you requested a translation of the german wikipedia article Sangam which I created there. I also created articles for:

I can do the requested translation if you wish. But let us made a deal. The german World Association of Girl Guides and Girl Scouts article needs your map of the world regions, the german World Organization of the Scout Movement article too. Please load it up to the Wikipedia Commons.

Please answer on my german User talk! -- User:Manuel Heinemann 09:30, 29 August 2006 (CET +1)

Hi Chris! I've complete the translation of the german wikipedia article Sangam. Please proofread it. -- Thanks! Manuel Heinemann 22:19, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Hello Chris, the maps in the common are great. I've posted them to the german articles WOSM and WASSG. Thanks for your support. -- Manuel Heinemann 20:26, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Pinetree

No response from our pinetree web buddy.Rlevse 16:57, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Scout Association of Japan

Joe, I am embarassed, but I can't read Japanese (yet), and need to know who these people are, and if possible, how they relate to Japanese Scouting.

  • 秋月左都夫 1858年（安政5）2月24日 - 1945年（昭和20）6月25
  • 久留島武彦 1874年6月19日 - 1960年6月27日
  • 小柴博 1884年11月9日 - 1925年6月19日
  • 佐野常羽 1871年（明治4)7月3日 - 1956年(昭和31)1月25日
  • 下田豊松 1887年 - 1972年10月10日
  • 北条時敬 1858年（安政5）3月23日 - 1929年4月27日
  • 三島通陽 1897年1月1日 - 1965年4月20日

and to find how Emperor Hirohito, Viscount Makoto Saito and General Maresuke Nogi are related to Scouting through the Japanese Wikipedia.

I do so appreciate your help, Chris 02:25, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Here you go:
Akizuki Satsuo (秋月左都夫)
After observing a British Boy Scout event in 1908, he reported his findings to others in Japan, paving the way for the Boy Scouts to be set up there. (Note: Name order is Surname-Given name because he was born before Meiji 1 (1868).)
Takehiko Kurushima (久留島武彦, Kurushima Takehiko)
Participated in the 2nd World Scout Jamboree in Denmark. Author of youth literature and winner of of the "Nihon no Andersen" award for his nursery rhyme "Yūyake Koyake". One of the founding pioneers of the scouting movement in Japan.
Hiroshi Koshiba (小柴博, Koshiba Hiroshi)
Author of Tokyo Shonengun. Participated in a discussion in 1913 with Japan's ambassador to Russia Ichirō Motono, were Motono explained all about the Boy Scout principles and organization in Europe. Koshiba was suitably impressed and decided to follow them. Participated in the 1st World Scout Jamboree in 1920 in England. Helped reorganize the Shūyodan Yonenbu into the Nihon Kenjidan with Shimoda (below) in 1921. He died of a sudden heart attack on June 19, 1925.
Tsuneha Sano (佐野常羽, Sano Tsuneha)
Attended the 2nd World Scout Jamboree in Denmark and the 3rd World Scout Jamboree in the United Kingdom. Received the Silver Wolf award from Lord Baden-Powell in 1931. The only other person to receive the Silver Wolf in Japan was the Emperor Showa. Given the title of "Elder" by the National Scouting Association of Japan in 1954. Given the highest award of the NSAJ, the "Kijishō", in 1955. He died in 1956.
Toyomatsu Shimoda (下田豊松, Shimoda Toyomatsu)
Author of Hokkaido Iwanai Shonendan. Participated in the 1st World Scout Jamboree in 1920 in England. Established the Nihon Kenjidan (translates to something like "Japan Stalwart Youth Troop") in 1921. Was Japan's first "Chief Scout."
Hōjō Tokiyuki (北条時敬)
Principal of Hiroshima Regular High School. After returning from attending a worldwide morality conference in 1908 where he conducted a survey of the British scouting organization, he returned to Japan and gave lectures on it in Hiroshima and other places. (Note: Name order is Surname-Given name because he was born before Meiji 1 (1868).)
Michiharu Mishima (三島通陽, Mishima Michiharu)
Held a scouting exhibition in February 1946, the first since the end of WWII. The National Boy Scout Alliance of Japan is founded in 1947, and Mishima is the first president.
Hope that helps. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 05:51, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

request for help against deletionist

Brother, Randy says you can help me on this-this guy really wants to delete my recent additions for illustration-Image:LaszlonagyU.jpg‎, Image:Laszlonagycarlgusta.jpg‎; and Image:BoyScoutsofNippon.jpg, please help me save them from him. I hate having to do this all the time. Chris 23:49, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

hey, i'm sorry it's taken me a while to get back to you. going thru the history of these image descriptions, I can't see that User:Carnildo has done anything wrong in disputing the fair use rationale you gave for these images.
Image:LaszlonagyU.jpg - it looks like it might be sorted out, but weakly. Promotional items include a very limited set of images, but since you claim it's from a press kit, OK - I won't argue. {{promotionalphoto}} is a an utter nightmare - it's tag that is misused 99% of the time, so he was right to be wary without evidence to the contrary. Remember that images need to be sourced, which is something you didn't do, and they need a rationale, which still hasn't been done very well.
Image:Laszlonagycarlgusta.jpg‎ - i'm not sure what you're referring to here.
Image:BoyScoutsofNippon.jpg - i'm guessing that this is from the same press kit you were talking about earlier? OK, but I can't the fair use justification. this image isn't illustrating any historically significant events, individuals, etc., so there's no reason not to find a use a free image. i'd support this image's deletion from Wikipedia, though I'd rather not bother you about it at the moment. a majority of the time, i find that the {{Non-free fair use in}} is frequently misused and often just forces a very, very weak rationale onto an image, because no real rationale works.
Continually referencing the Copyright Act of 1976 isn't going to get you anywhere, either. Carnildo knows all of the ins and outs of image use on Wikipedia, and he certainly understands how fair use works. But you're working within Wikipedia, and I, along with many others, like it when we make efforts to keep things free, even if it takes a bit more work. i suppose it pisses a lot of people off, especially because there is a fundamental misunderstanding of copyright among most people, but hey. — Rebelguys2 talk 17:50, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
If Image:LaszlonagyU.jpg is indeed a photo from a press kit like you said, then {{promotional}} is the correct tag. Since the source is cited (WOSM), it's OK for our purposes - though obviously not ideal. Unfortunately, I see no reasonable fair use rationale for Image:BoyScoutsofNippon.jpg, which actually hasn't been included on the image's page. You're going to need to read through the {{Non-free fair use in}} tag and follow its instructions, but I still don't think it's enough. — Rebelguys2 talk 23:25, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

template - world jamborees

thanks for the template - hope to be filling in some more world jamboree articles as soon as... Horus Kol 13:02, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Request for Checkuser

If you want your request for Checkuser to be accept you should have some way of showing how if the two accounts are being used by the same person that there is a violation of WP:SOCK. Use of a sockpuppet is not in of itself a violation of Wikipedia policy and if you cannot show that there is some possible violatin of WP:SOCK or a related policy (such as WP:3RR) the request will almost certainly be declined. JoshuaZ 04:19, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry if I sound belligerent in this WP:RFCU but normally I expect to find at least a 20% or 30% likelihood of sock behavior - here I see 0%. I can't even figure out what motivated you to start this in the first place. I feel like I'm missing something! Did you leave out an account that connects this all together? At the moment there's more evidence that I am a sock of Elvrik. —Wknight94 (talk) 14:53, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Re: "One thing to consider, if you wanted to generate an appearance of consensus, would you not set up topic-specific sockpuppets over a period of time for just such a purpose?"... Anyone could be doing that. You could - I could - anyone. By your argument, you and I could be socks of each other - we don't edit the same articles but could be setting up to make some huge consensus attack in the future. It just doesn't make sense. That argument is literally the opposite of what checkusers are for. —Wknight94 (talk) 00:21, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Burma/Myanmar

This is to let you know that I expanded the page for the project listed above a little. I honestly know virtually nothing about the country, and was only as I indicated following the template of the page of another project. Feel free to expand it as you wish. Also, it would really help if you were to add your name to the list of project participants. Any project with no members is technically eligible for deletion. Badbilltucker2 13:54, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Cool

Thanks alot for the Alfred Packer template. Hilarious MrFarenhiet 01:58, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


Image:Elkhorn.jpg

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Minsi Trails Council

Your actions are premature. I have posted a notice at WikiProject Pennsylvania asking people to contribute to the discussion. --evrik 01:09, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually, Evrik, you'd hit 3RR first by reverting the merge. Rlevse 02:12, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Maybe, we'll see. --evrik 02:16, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

(stop putting this on my talk page-Evrik is a rude jerk who does as he likes with no thought to etiquette, and I hope he does not get elected, that would be a disaster)

Kintetsubuffalo from edit summary

If I report you for a violation of WP:3RR, I have to document that you were warned. Additionally, i am adding your comments from the edit summary as further proof that you are not being WP:Civil. --evrik 02:30, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Socks keep feet warm

Dude,

That was really uncalled for: Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Evrik --evrik 03:00, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Stay cool

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civility

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Scout Association of Japan

What do you think now? Wim van Dorst (Talk) 20:02, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

It looks great, thank you, brother! Chris 20:52, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Question

Have you ever heard the ZHP threw acid at Nazi's in WWII? grazon 02:08, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Piet J. Kroonenberg

Hi Chris, I say, that picture you 'created' and gave to the public domain? You can't do it like that, man! Wim van Dorst (Talk) 20:22, 2 October 2006 (UTC).

I kind of figured I shouldn't, though I trimmed off the edges for the 'pedia. What should I do? Thanks, and I meant no ill intent. Chris 20:40, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Interesting changes, Chris. VERY recognizable text, but nearly all correct. I wondered about the copyright attribution: isn't the picture made by/for the Russian Union of Scouts organization, on the celebration of the beaver award for Kroonenberg? I'd suggest a small update there. And the rationale reference in the article itself is still to be done. BTW, did you really contact the WOSM? Would be a good idea. Send an email to Victor Ortega (vortega@world.scout.org (the PR guy) and ask him! Wim van Dorst (Talk) 22:09, 3 October 2006 (UTC).

If you think you are being harrassed for your dodgy copyright attributions (beyond what is legitimate) just drop a line at one of the admins. There's one on the WP:Scout participants list (Randy pointed it out recently on some talk page). Wim van Dorst (Talk) 23:19, 16 October 2006 (UTC).

Image Commies?

You'll have to explain "Image Commies". My thoughts are that the Hepburn image is not only referenced in the article, but is the foremost image brought to mind when the old formal style of smoking is mentioned.

Bill D 02:04, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

thanks for the comment! Angelofdeath275 21:55, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

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  • I have re-tagged the image to Copyrighted/NoRightsReserved, as verbally indicated by the uploader, and as indicated by the quoted text of the author. Issue resolved. Wim van Dorst (Talk) 12:40, 22 October 2006 (UTC).

No Problem!

I appreciate it Chris. This is actually the first thanks I recieve. I am going through the whole category of articles needing Arabic script. This is my status. Thanks again my friend. --Anas Salloum 16:26, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Don't mention it Chris. And by the way, I have even added the Arabic script to the Palestinian Scout Association and Iraq Boy Scouts and Girl Guides Council articles way before this one. ;) Drop a message whenever you need anything. --Anas Salloum 18:44, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

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The nomination was done by A Man In Black, who neglected to put this template on your talk page. Just thought I'd let you know. -- Y|yukichigai 01:30, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Scott Market

Thanks for your reply. I thought I had been told it was not named after James George Scott but some other Scott; and J. G. Scott was never an administrator in Rangoon or Lower Burma, so I can't see why it should have been named after him (though indeed he was a schoolmaster there in his youth, and it is true that he introduced football there!) However, if I was told this about the market, it was a long time ago, and I now need to check it. Wish me luck ... Andrew Dalby 22:26, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Arab Region

Is there some reason someone renamed this from WOSM-Arab Region? Rlevse 12:34, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Jergen moved it back. Apparently the someone moved it without any discussion, etc. Rlevse 19:08, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

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WP:FAC for lead(II) nitrate

Yoh, Chris, I just put the lead(II) nitrate article up for FA-class. Feel free to contribute your support, even if you don't know anything about chemicals ;-). Wim van Dorst (Talk) 21:02, 2 November 2006 (UTC).

Wikipedia:WikiProject Burma/Myanmar

Hi, Chris. Very kind of you and thanks for the invite, but afraid I'm not disciplined enough for joining. Thanks all the same. Wagaung 09:56, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Scouting in Vermont info to be folded in

Hi Kintetsubuffalo, I noticed info you had parked on the Scouting in Vermont discussion page amrked to "fold in." the info on the Scouting in Vermont page presently is pulled from one of several websites where it appers verbatim. And, the subject is not at all specific to Vermont. I wonder if you have interest in expanding that article. thanks. 146.115.47.12 21:13, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

See my talk page. Rlevse 23:08, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Alva

See email I sent about Alva Fitch. Rlevse 14:09, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Flavia Colvin needs references

Please add some references to the Flavia Colvin article so that it will not be deleted. --TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 23:59, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

This was a non-notable biography as per the criteria set out in WP:BIO. (aeropagitica) 01:10, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

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Scouting in Burma

I've added the name in Burmese. --Hintha 08:37, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

The letters under the emblem in Image:Burmanewer.jpg state "Scouts" (kin-htauk) in Burmese. --Hintha 03:46, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
The words under Image:Burmaolder.jpg say the same thing. --Hintha 06:27, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

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two suggestions

See the two suggestions I made on the rename. Loved your input. Rlevse 10:18, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Apology for your treatment at the Girl Scout Office

I'm sorry on behalf of my sister Girl Scouts and Girl Guides for your reception at your local Girl Scout Office when you enquired about materials about Girl Guiding and Girl Scouting around the world. I don't want to make assumptions about what country you were in at the time, so I can't tell you exactly what they should have said. The most well-known publication on this subject is Trefoil Around the World. It's in English and is published by WAGGGS both as a book and a CD-ROM. I know it is available in several countries, if not all where English spoken. Some of this information is reproduced on the web, when you know where to look, for example at the GSUSA website. A lot of handbooks and leader's resources have information on international matters too, although these are inevitably not comprehensive. I'm sad that you weren't helped more effectively. Kingbird 17:51, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Chris, for your information: "Trefoil Around the World" is on my table - but I need some more time to work its informations in our articles. --jergen 14:05, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for taking care of my talk page. Hopefully Nathan will find a better use for his time. Tocharianne 15:31, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

You are most welcome! Chris 22:17, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

New articles and hangon

Hi, I've noticed your new articles have {{hangon}} on the start of them. Please only use hangon when the article is up for speedy deletion and you wish to contest this. --Wooty Woot? contribs 09:27, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Pavlovsk

WHy did you put the scout project tag here? I see no connection at all. Rlevse 02:47, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

New cat

I've created Category:Scouting in Russia and put some articles in it, but I've sure there are others I haven't found yet. Rlevse 15:02, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

hi thanks for your invitiation

thanks for your invitiation , i would like to join your burmese project—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Aung win (talk • contribs) 15:08, 10 December 2006 (UTC).

Mittons

Very interesting. A curious coincidence of name, at the very least. I never learned what became of Mitton after Scott's death.

I'm quite glad that I write about pre-20th century history. Not that you can always trust early writers any more than modern ones, but at least you can stand back and get a whole view of them. And you don't have to shake hands with them.

I haven't contributed much on Burma yet, incidentally, but I do intend to ... Best wishes Andrew Dalby 21:20, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Did you know?

Updated DYK query On 13 December, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Oleg Pantyukhov, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

-- Congrats on getting the lead! The article was kindly nominated for inclusion by Alex Bakharev GeeJo (t)⁄(c) • 01:01, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Updated DYK query On December 15, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Ye Htoon, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Hello Kintetsubuffalo. GeeJo kindly nominated your article for inclusion. Keep up the great work...Blnguyen (bananabucket) 07:22, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Images - Captions

Hi Chris; pls read WP:MoS#Images and restore all deleted image captions. --jergen 10:49, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Re:

I dont know Dzonkha or the Tibetan script so cant be of much value in the Bhutanese Scout. However, I have added the Devnagari Scripted text in Nepali scout and have added a line about it in all the Indic scripted wikipedia that I can use.--Eukesh 19:47, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the invite

I have joined Wikipedia:Wikiproject Bhutan, though I'm not sure how much I'll be able to meaningfully contribute. Thanks for the invite. — WiseKwai 02:22, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Image upload

Hi Chris, did you read my comment on Talk:List of highest awards in Scouting#Images?

I know that these badges are part of your collection. Perhaps my question was badly formulated: The images need a good description mentioning at least the title of the rank and the association to make the use of the images easier. I'm sure you have these data. Could you please insert it on the images' pages? WP:UPIMAGE#Mini HowTo proposes Template:Information for this purpose. --jergen 08:39, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

And some time ago, I wrote something on captions...

Please include at least the association and the rank's name on the image description. If you don't I'll remove these images from the articles because they are not of use for understanding the article. Two examples of misplaced or badly used images [3], [4]. --jergen 08:27, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Kyoko Kishida

Thanks for creating the talk page. It now has an article. Fg2 06:41, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Central Asian terrorism articles

I shall very soon. Recently I received a request to work on the New Great Game, so thats taken up my editing for the last few days, but I will get to work on the others as soon as possible. KazakhPol 07:12, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Saparmurat Niyazov

Thanks, but I did the same thing with individual redirects. Thats why there are not red links on either version of the page now. KazakhPol 07:49, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Eileen Malloy

Enjoy and expand Eileen Malloy. KazakhPol 08:17, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article review/History of Central Asia

Your input on this F.A.R. is desired. KazakhPol 02:30, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Turkmen articles

Ashgabat and Turkmenistan done. Thanks for your note. Kghusker 01:54, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Apology Accepted

Thanks, Chris.

I've got to remember to stay clear of Wikipedia after midnight (in my time zone)). Alas, the road to Hell is paved with good intentions. Anyway, have a good new year yourself, and thanks for the personal touch.

Lovelac7 08:37, 29 December 2006 (UTC)


Myanma diplomatic missions

G'day Chris:

Glad you are an Australophile. It will make my job easier, coz I hate reprobating people during the Chrissie period.

You recently proposed merging the Myanma diplomatic missions article into Foreign relations of Myanmar. Nothing wrong with proposing that idea, except you just went ahead and did it before getting your mandate, or even understanding the nature of these articles.

Please be advised there are two kinds of foreign policy by country articles. We have for almost every country a Foreign Relations of X article (eg Foreign relations of Uganda), which describes that country's foreign policies and issues. And we have a less prose-y X Diplomatic Missions (eg Ugandan diplomatic missions) which just lists where a country's embassies and consulates are located.

If you think merging them together is a good idea, please get a consensus first, although I don't think people will want to reformat over 250 articles to make it consistent with your suggestion.

In the meantime kindly revert back the former Myanma diplomatic missions article.

Thank you,

Kransky 05:49, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Chris:

I removed the redirect from Myanma diplomatic missions and cut-'n'-pasted the contents from I wrote that you copied into Foreign relations of Myanmar back into ::Myanma diplomatic missions. So Foreign relations of Myanmar remains unchanged, except that I added a link to Myanma diplomatic missions in the "See also" section. Vegemite? I hate the stuff. I heard that it was being banned in the United states over some FDA issue. Have a great new year. Kransky 04:29, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Chris:

The adjectival word for Myanmar is Myanma. See Explanation of the names of Burma/Myanmar#Adjective_Oddities Kransky 04:42, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Chris:

Wikipedia style dictates that places are named according to how those who govern the place call it. For example we have the article Republic of Macedonia because the Macedonians identify themselves with this nationality, even though the international community calls it the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia to comply with Greek sensitivities (the Wikipedia article for Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia and FYROM send you to Republic of Macedonia). This is no reflection on the moral authority of the junta; it is only done to establish consistency. If the Myanma leaders want to rename their country Buttercupland so be it. Can we leave it as Myanma diplomatic missions please, like Myanma kyat (See Wikipedia:Naming_conflict)

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Hi

Thanks for your kind comments on my user page back in October and also why someone had deleted an article I created. I have only just got round to understanding how this place works, including leaving comments on your page, which I found unusual as you would normally send a message to them on a website! --PrincessBrat 14:04, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

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