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Your submission at Articles for creation: sandbox (February 13)[edit]

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by DoubleGrazing was:

The proposed article does not have sufficient content to require an article of its own, but it could be merged into the existing article at Iveco. Since anyone can edit Wikipedia, you are welcome to add that information yourself. Thank you.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Shouldn't this be an update to the existing Iveco article?

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DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:42, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @DoubleGrazing and thanks for your quick reply!

I know the page might seem comparable to Iveco's and therefore to be included in it, but Iveco is the brand page and the one I'm submitting is the group one. I've noticed that there are other companies that have both group and individual brand pages, such as CNH industrial with Case IH and New Holland (and the creation of Iveco Group is also a result of a demerger from CNH Industrial).

In addition, the Iveco Group page already exists in Italian and I believe it could be useful to have it translated into another language such as English, both because it is a well-known company and because it has industrial sites in Europe, North America and South America.

The group may be 'young', but other sections could be added to the page to make it grow.

What do you think?

Thanks again MarcoTruck (talk) 16:10, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I hear you, although I'm not entirely convinced – delineating between the brand and the corporate entity is often tricky. What I'm happy to do is to revert my review, and leave it for another reviewer to assess; that way your draft at least gets the benefit of a second opinion. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:18, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, MarcoTruck! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:42, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AfC notification: Draft:Iveco Group has a new comment[edit]

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Iveco Group. Thanks! microbiologyMarcus ^{(petri dish·growths)} 17:52, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @MicrobiologyMarcus and thanks for your feedback, I saw your comment but Iveco is just one brand out of eight of the Iveco Group. Shouldn't the group have its own page? Like for CNH Industrial and its brands? Especially when it already exists in another language?

Thank you ---- MarcoTruck (talk) 16:21, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see your point. As an aside, ensure that the links in the infobox to those subsidiaries are correct. Some looked like a mistake or point to a DAB page so I assumed that the main corporate structure was only notable (see WP:Notability) because of the flagship brand. microbiologyMarcus ^{(petri dish·growths)} 16:28, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Iveco Group (February 16)[edit]

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Robert McClenon were:

This draft's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. In summary, the draft needs multiple published sources that are:

in-depth (not just brief mentions about the subject or routine announcements)
reliable
secondary
strictly independent of the subject

Make sure you add references that meet all four of these criteria before resubmitting. Learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue. If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The proposed article does not have sufficient content to require an article of its own, but it could be merged into the existing article at Iveco Group. Since anyone can edit Wikipedia, you are welcome to add that information yourself. Thank you.

The comment the reviewer left was:

It is not clear what the difference is between Iveco and Iveco Group, which should be explained, or why both entities have corporate notability.

Does the author of this draft have any sort of financial or other connection with the subject of this draft? Please read the conflict of interest policy and the paid editing policy and make any required disclosures.

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If this draft is resubmitted without addressing the question about conflict of interest, it may be Rejected or nominated for deletion.

This draft is written from the viewpoint of the company, focusing on what the company says about itself. Corporate notability is based on what independent reliable sources have written about the subject.

Not every business corporation is notable, and this draft does not establish corporate notability. You may ask for advice about corporate notability at the Teahouse.

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Robert McClenon (talk) 18:43, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Iveco Group (February 24)[edit]

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Johannes Maximilian was:

This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Please don't base your draft on press releases. --Johannes (Talk) (Contribs) (Articles) 19:56, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Johannes (Talk) (Contribs) (Articles) 19:56, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Johannes Maximilian, thanks for your feedback. I updated the draft including sources only from third parties (the most reliable I could find), removing all the press releases. Do you think that now the article could work? MarcoTruck (talk) 08:14, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AfC notification: Draft:Iveco Group has a new comment[edit]

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Iveco Group. Thanks! Johannes (Talk) (Contribs) (Articles) 19:23, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Iveco Group (March 18)[edit]

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Greenman was:

This submission does not appear to be written in the formal tone expected of an encyclopedia article. Entries should be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources. Please rewrite your submission in a more encyclopedic format. Please make sure to avoid peacock terms that promote the subject.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Corporate mergers do not make a "historic process". Please address WP:COI.

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Greenman (talk) 17:11, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Greenman, thank you for your feedback. I followed your indications and removed the "history" paragraph. As for the formal and neutral tone of the article, I have tried to be as neutral as possible, including only verified facts and information and following the form and content of the Italian version of the Iveco Group page already published on Wikipedia. Do you still find promotional terms?

Thank you --- MarcoTruck (talk) 08:40, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]