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Hello and welcome to Wikipedia! It looks as though your edits to Uncyclopedia are in terms of the fork site and present it as the model Uncyclopedia, implicitly deprecating the Wikia site. Long before you arrived, this page was used to induce viewer traffic toward the Fork, and we reached an agreement that the Wikipedia article should not emphasize one over the other. Your edits inadvertently violate this understanding. They should instead include samples from both websites without bias toward either one. Cheers! Spike-from-NH (talk) 01:22, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

How about placing two pairs of screenshots?  🐱💬 06:57, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

This solution is impartial, but head-to-head comparison of the two sites is of little interest to the reader, and there is no independent reference studying the differences between the two sites that you could use as citation. I'd suggest simply to pick from both for your examples and links. Spike-from-NH (talk) 12:00, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

CMA

I dont think that the CMA issuing full advisories to tropical cyclones over the NIO, is relevant to the overall North Indian Ocean tropical cyclone article, as they are only a NMHSS after all. It would be fine to go into the CMA article though.Jason Rees (talk) 17:35, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

I feel very disappointed with their lazy actions for Sagar. I will just remove them all. It just shows how One Belt, One Road really goes. 🐱💬 02:53, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

Cyclone Mekunu

Pls create a page on it Alaha.cyclone (talk) 08:20, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

I have no free time to write a separate article now. 🐱💬 08:22, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

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Not about Tropical cyclones...

...but I know you are on to the furry fandom. My friend at school is a furry lmao and wants to ask if you have discord because he has a server full of furries. Typhoon2013 (talk) 08:00, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

It is just on my personal page. 🐱💬 08:21, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Son-Tinh

There are some conflicting info about Son-Tinh's reforming, so which one is right: Son-Tinh's infobox info (RSMC Tokyo reported that Son-Tinh dissipated late on July 19, and a new tropical depression presumed to be the remnants of Son-Tinh formed on July 21) or Son-Tinh's main article (Persistent convection developed over the system, aided by a tropical upper tropospheric trough to the northeast, prompting the JTWC to begin issuing advisories on Son-Tinh once again on July 21. Simultaneously the JMA reported that Son-Tinh had regenerated into a tropical depression)? I would say that the latter one is more reliable since it is sourced, unlike the infobox's one which has none.ABC paulista (talk) 16:09, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

The main page does provide sources, but the sentences are not really based on the sources. As you could see carefully, the sources do not say that it degenerated into a low-pressure area. You should also need to realise that RSMC Tokyo's policies are different. 🐱💬 16:29, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
So, what to do? We can't have conflicting info about the same subject attributed to the same agency, so I think we must get rid of one of them. ABC paulista (talk) 16:38, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
We just need to rewrite some minor parts. The only problem is that the description based on RSMC Tokyo is partially incorrect. I wonder if we should archive some JMA weather maps first before the best track is released later this month. 🐱💬 16:50, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

gwydir.demon.co.uk

Should be back now - the server went down while I was on holiday! I think I have retrieved all the main JTWC and JMA bulletins for last week. If anybody wants to set up an alternative archiving site, they would be very welcome - I see the Unisys archives have now disappeared completely.--Keith Edkins ( Talk ) 20:46, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

New TD and how to find

https://www.jma.go.jp/en/typh/a.html new typhoon there Also, can you send me any link where I could find the TD or typhoon data or how I could find data, please? Thank you!!!Luke Kern Choi 5 (talk) 07:18, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

I reconmend these from JMA: English Tropical Cyclone Information & Weather Maps, or Japanese 台風情報 & 天気図.-- 🐱💬 08:47, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Tropical Depression 01 in South-West Indian Ocean

Hi Meow. Long time no see. I was just wondering where you found the statistic that states the one-minute sustained wind speed of Tropical Depression 01 to be 45 knots. As far as I can see, the JTWC hasn't increased it from 40 knots. Would you mind providing me a link to the website, just for future reference? Thanks. ChocolateTrain (talk) 14:02, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

[1] or [2]. The second one is easier to access but it always misses the data of new Southern Hemisphere seasons until the next 1 January. They are also the references of my track maps.-- 🐱💬 14:06, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
Excellent. Thanks for that! ChocolateTrain (talk) 14:17, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Invalid archived advisories

Thanks for pointing this out. I tracked down 6 broken archives and fixed them. If you spot any more please let me know which ones they are.--Keith Edkins ( Talk ) 11:33, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

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Thanks for your appreciation! CHRISTOPHERMC24 (talk) 09:05, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Tropical cyclone numbering

Thankee for your contribution to the template I started. Now I would appreciate it if, next time you add a new reference to this or any other template, please give it a name like this: 

<ref name="put name here"> insert citation here </ref>

That way, if the template is used in an article that also lists the same reference added to the template (provided that both references share the same name), they will not show up separately in the article's References list as duplicate entries, but rather merged into a unified single reference.

I gave meaningful names to your references; otherwise, thankee for your help expanding the table. SilSinn9821 (talk) 02:22, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

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An interesting conundrum

According to my data...

  • A low formed AUSR on November 9
  • Bouchra re-entered SWIO on November 10 and was subsequently named
  • Supposed to re-enter AUSR in 3-5 days.. (we can't document that on the seasonal articles)

You are wrong to change the section on the AUSR article to Bouchra. Any data from Meteo France may not be used in this basin. The system was named in SWIO, not AUSR. If it re-enters AUSR again as predicted, the section may be retitled. FigfiresSend me a message! 23:18, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Lisa Ling talks Furries

Do you watch CNN? I don't know if the Asian branch of Cable News Network airs Lisa Ling's This Is Life show, but here in North America, the episode to air next Sunday 18 November is about furries. Maybe you would like to see it, if you were able to. SilSinn9821 (talk) 22:15, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for that news. I don't have a television however, so I may try to find it later on YouTube.-- 🐱💬 08:08, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
Just to let you know that I saw the episode, and probably it was her best journalistic work so far. Now I cannot treat furries as a joke anymore, but see it instead as a therapy for certain people affected by some serious issues (bullying, PTSD, etc.) that are definitively no laughing matter (and I say this as a former schoolbullying victim, for that matter). --SilSinn9821 (talk) 15:29, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

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Collapsible rows within uncollapsed tables?

There is this one thing I would like to do on the tropical cyclone numbering template table I started long ago (which you augmented to cover non-US usage):

There is this bottom row I put there to accommodate table footnotes, but it seems that, since it grew in size and scope, it now looks somewhat too intrusive when the table is used on the article Tropical cyclone. And although I defined the template to be collapsible so that the whole table can be hidden at will within an article, I do not know if there is an option for defining individual rows as collapsible (as opposed to the table as a whole) and how to define them such that they appear collapsed/​hidden by default when loading the page. That way, I could by default display the whole table but with the footnotes row hidden/​collapsed with a show/hide link to the right to uncollapse it.

Since you have more experience here in Wikipedia, I wonder if you happen to know how to achieve what I just described above. Thankee! SilSinn9821 (talk) 23:12, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Making all rows collapsible may be annoying and complicated to readers. Maybe placing the template to the bottom and expanding the two top rows (titles) as the default are the proper ways. Right now, the template makes the article hard for reading. I want to hear about your opinion to know if I could try to handle.-- 🐱💬 08:06, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
You can try the sandbox and experiment with a collapsed-by-default footnote row. SilSinn9821 (talk) 14:36, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
I finally achieved what I wanted. If you check the template's sandbox and testpage, you will see I now made the footnotes row collapsed by default (save for the word "Notes"). Actually, there was no need to collapse the row; only the list of footnotes had to be collapsed. Now I am going to migrate the changes from the sandbox to the official template. --SilSinn9821 (talk) 20:01, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
I finally migrated the sandbox template to the official template. Checking the article "Tropical cyclone" on Desktop view, it now looks significantly improved, now the table does not visually spill into the Naming section, remaining enclosed within the Numbering section which someday I would like to spin off and expand as a separate article (just like there is a Naming section and an expanded "Tropical cyclone naming" article). Now, this only affects desktop view; hiding/showing does not seem to work on mobile view, at least not with the mw-collapsible and mw-collapsed classes. If only there were a way to make a whole table collapsed by default on mobile view while remaining expanded by default on desktop view - that would be a nice yet vast improvement for Wikipedia. --SilSinn9821 (talk) 20:27, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
It still made reading the article difficult on smaller screens, so I moved it to the bottom of the section and changed it as a collapsed template. And please stop reverting Ten (10W) to Ten-W. For the Northwest Pacific Ocean, Indian Ocean, and South Pacific Ocean, please refer to JTWC as the only source for the U.S. numbers.-- 🐱💬 03:12, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
Did you remove the "right" floating option from the template's arguments list, so that it shows up as an inline (rather than floating) table in desktop view? As for spelled-out numbers, I was thinking of removing them altogether from the table template - they are not really numbers but placeholder names for yet-unnamed cyclones; let's keep the real numbers (the two-digit ones) and drop the spelled-out ones, that would further shrink the table's vertical size and as added bonus kill the TEN vs TEN-W debate. --SilSinn9821 (talk) 02:48, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
My purpose is to place it over a location that would not interact with the article for both of desktop and mobile usages, so I decided to put it into the bottom and centralise it. Other parts are okay but I never saw something like Ten-W in my life, even as I never left this basin.-- 🐱💬 02:55, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
The mw-collapsed option is only working on desktop view; on mobile, the table is still showing up in full. If by smaller screens you meant mobile view on smartphones, mw-collapsed did not achieve its purpose. Maybe we should contact the Wikipedian who administers the CSS stylesheets that define mw-collapse and mw-collapsed classes and ask him/her why those options don't work on mobile. In the meantime, I am trying to devise a third argument to the template to allow the template user to declare it as either collapsed or expanded by default. Collapsed by default may be right now the best choice for it as used in the article "Tropical cyclone", but not in another article (the one I want to draft titled "Tropical cyclone numbering") or a talk page where we might desire instead the table expanded by default (but not floating). --SilSinn9821 (talk) 03:20, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
From what I have tested, only the mobile version displayed by a browser is not collapsed correctly. Mobile apps could collapse it by default.-- 🐱💬 03:28, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
I got rid of all spelled-out number examples (if that is OK with you), leaving only the purely-numeric ones (the ones we care most about); I also redesigned the third column from only showing pre/suffixes to now showing full formats like nn, nnW, yynn, BOB nn, etc. to make the table clearer/more legible and easier to grasp/understand. Also note that collapsed mode is now specified as a third override argument to the template call, rather than "hard-coding" it in the template source. Next step in improving the template is to "name" the arguments, so that rather than cumbersomely calling it as {{Tropical cyclone numbering|57%|none|mw-collapsed}}, we more easily call it instead as {{Tropical cyclone numbering|class=mw-collapsed}}. This is where I need help now. And thankee for your contributions! --SilSinn9821 (talk) 04:28, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

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SSHWS for Kenanga

I'm going to request that you please leave the winds at 115 knots until the next warning is issued. I know it is currently shown as 110 knots/939 mbar on tropicaltidbits and such, but that is not a warning. We must go off of the 2100 warning until a new one is issued at 0300. NoahTalk 01:54, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

I do not refer to Tropical Tidbits; I refer to data from NOAA which is directly given by JTWC.-- 🐱💬 01:59, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
Either way, it is not a warning (the data for TTBs is directly from NOAA as well). We must wait until the issuance of warning #18. NoahTalk 02:00, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
This is not a hurricane basin. JTWC used to issue a warning only twice a day for the Southern Hemisphere. Do you want to wait 9 hours for updating? It is not my own decision. If you think this method is improper for other basins, please request for comments on the talk page of WikiProject.-- 🐱💬 02:04, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
The JTWC now issues warnings on a 6 hourly basis for the SHEM, So I do not see why we need to be resorting to using the RBT provided by NOAA to update our articles for current storm information. Thats if we really need to be providing it.Jason Rees (talk) 02:08, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
Limitting to JTWC warnings only should not be a proper way as JTWC often revises the intensity after issuing a warning.-- 🐱💬 02:14, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
Yeah but should we really be presenting the very latest JTWC non public estimate of the system's intensity or the public intensity. My view remains that we shouldnt use the RBT in a similar way that we dont use it in the Atlantic or EPAC.Jason Rees (talk) 14:35, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Can a redirect page be cleaned up?

Yow! I was just thinking about 2017 Arlene's alternate image in the Earth Observatory be uploaded, but i renamed the former to a new, which is changed "alternate" to "gallery". If you can clean it up, that would be appreciated. - Nino Marakot (talk page) 05:38, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Do you have the links for them?-- 🐱💬 13:49, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
@Meow: Oh sorry, yes for the Commons? Here it is the redirect page:https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Arlene_2017-04-20_1512Z_(alternate).jpg&redirect=no = Nino Marakot (talk page) 12:42, 27 December 2018
I just left the page blank. You can try again.-- 🐱💬 13:19, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Tropical Cyclone Numbering template now has named parameters (for easier use)

I changed again the TCN table template to change the unnamed parameters into named parameters, so rather than transcluding it as 

{{Tropical cyclone numbering|57%|none|collapsed}}

it is now transcluded as 

{{Tropical cyclone numbering|width=57%|class=mw-collapsed}}

Now it is easier to use and understand. --SilSinn9821 (talk) 18:24, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Please check

I just built 2016's Carlos' information. Please check if any mistakes, although there are some repeated cites (primarily it's Carlos' best track data, please reorganize it). - 👦🗣️ 03:35, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

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Using emojis is just my tiny idea for promoting a new communication method and simplifying a signature so I didn’t think about it that much. 🐱💬 13:38, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

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Second TD in West Pacific

That system now is T Depression or T Disturbance ? If it lost it number 01W ? 2001:EE0:4B78:F1F0:B99C:CC34:B327:B03D (talk) 16:31, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

According to the latest track data from JTWC, 01W did not exist until January 7. 01W still exists now, but it never reached the depression intensity. JTWC regretted. That is why it is now put into the other systems section. 🐱💬 16:34, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, and the next T Depression will be 01W ? And former 01W is tropical disturbance ? 14.236.4.211 (talk) 04:56, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

I am double checking this via the JTWC FB group as it seems a bit much for us to be saying that "The whole depression period was later denied by the JTWC".Jason Rees (talk) 14:22, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
I got tagged in a post in the JTWC FB Group this morning which stated that TD #01W is still considered as a 25knots TD (minimum level required across the Western North Pacific to be warned on by the JTWC). The post analysis has not been done yet. As a result, we are wrong to say that "it never reached the depression intensity. JTWC regretted." or "The whole depression period was later denied by the JTWC" which seems to go against the netural point of view rules anyway.Jason Rees (talk) 15:54, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
Who stated? Why is it wrong to say that? Those are not valid enough comparing to a track data.-- 🐱💬 15:56, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
It is wrong to say that the JTWC denied that it ever reached tropical depression strength for a number of reasons. 1) They haven't denied it 2) You are putting words into a source that doesn't say that it was upgraded to a tropical depression or downgraded to a tropical disturbance. It just says that the system was a tropical disturbance. 3) I would argue that the Co-Admin of the JTWC group who tagged me in the post after I asked him about it yesterday would be more accurate and reliable, as he checked with the JTWC Director who is also an admin of the group. 4) The US Government is shut down at the moment, which means that all non-essential work like upgrading the models, maintaining and ensuring running best track files are correct isn't being done at the moment.Jason Rees (talk) 16:40, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
It’s better to wait for the fate of 01W in a few days. All problems will be resolved immediately if it intensifies to a tropical depression again. However, the previous TD period is really questionable. 🐱💬 16:44, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
I would rather keep it as a tropical depression unless we get a statement from the JTWC saying otherwise.Jason Rees (talk) 17:30, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
Why blame the current USA shutdown for this confusion? AFAIK, JTWC falls within the US Navy, which is already funded since the act bearing the name of John McCain was passed back in September, so the shutdown should not affect the JTWC, nor the Naval Research Laboratory which designed and maintains the forecasting software used by JTWC. As for the NHC and CPHC – well, that is a different story. ​‑‑🌀⁠SilSinnAL982100⁠💬 05:48, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

Timeline

What is the point of marking Oma as gone from the basin on the timeline for one day, when it was present in the basin (160.0E 00z) on February 21 and February 22? Jason Rees (talk) 03:27, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

It is still needed to clarify that Oma was not in the basin for about one day and 18 hours. 🐱💬 04:10, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
I strongly disagree that it is needed though, especially since it wasn't that far out of the basin and is redundant since Oma was in the basin during February 21 per the BoM.Jason Rees (talk) 10:56, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
I know this but it is still necessary to explain in the timeline that Oma actually left for a while. 🐱💬 12:15, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
No it isnt and i seriously doubt that readers would know that the gap in the timeline would be because it left the baisn for around a day.Jason Rees (talk) 00:19, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Wutip

May I ask you where the JMA said Wutip dissipated? NoahTalk 14:24, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

JMA updates on their Japanese weather map first.-- 🐱💬 14:26, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
Oh... They must have JUST uploaded the 12:00 UTC map. I saw the 0600 one was the latest just a few minutes ago. NoahTalk 14:27, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
JMA updates the Japanese weather map 2 hours and 10 minutes later, and updates the English weather map as well as high seas advisory 2 hours and 30 minutes later. 🐱💬 14:28, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

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Idai

I readded the current template and changed it to "natural disaster" since the MFR said that rains were still falling and causing flooding. Secondly, the news sources are still providing wide ranges of information, with many outdated by the time they publish. Also, would Idai not be counted as dissipated, but instead as a RL since MFR was discussing it in the ITCZ? NoahTalk 10:09, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

The term remnant low is not used in that basin. Once the system dissipated, it just dissipated. What the daily outlook mentioned was just a mid-level circulation. 🐱💬 11:42, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
Well the new daily outlook mentioned the position again. I am not sure if they will update the track data as well. 🐱💬 13:07, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Tropical low

@Meow: G'day! How are you doing? I was just wondering if you would be able to make a track map for the tropical low that is currently in the Australian region. Though its official designation/identifier has not been indicated by the BOM, it is almost certainly 23U, so you could probably use that in the title of the track map. The data is for Invest 92S, as assigned by the JTWC. I don't know how to make the track maps, so thanks in advance for your help if you're able to do this! ChocolateTrain (talk) 02:07, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Sorry I missed the tropical low. I will build one but I will not call it 23U as BOM never indicated that as of now. 🐱💬 02:33, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
Sounds good. Thank you for that. Just out of interest, what name will you give it? ChocolateTrain (talk) 09:37, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
It should be TL 92S Apr 2019 track as BOM no longer mentioned it today. 🐱💬 09:42, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

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Editing News #1—July 2019

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Did you know?

Did you know that you can use the visual editor on a mobile device?

Every article has a pencil icon at the top. Tap on the pencil icon to start editing.

Edit Cards

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This is what the new Edit Cards for editing links in the mobile visual editor look like. You can try the prototype here: 📲 Try Edit Cards.

Welcome back to the Editing newsletter.

Since the last newsletter, the team has released two new features for the mobile visual editor and has started developing three more. All of this work is part of the team's goal to make editing on mobile web simpler.

Before talking about the team's recent releases, we have a question for you:

Are you willing to try a new way to add and change links?

If you are interested, we would value your input! You can try this new link tool in the mobile visual editor on a separate wiki.

Follow these instructions and share your experience:

📲 Try Edit Cards.

Recent releases

The mobile visual editor is a simpler editing tool, for smartphones and tablets using the mobile site. The Editing team has recently launched two new features to improve the mobile visual editor:

  1. Section editing
    • The purpose is to help contributors focus on their edits.
    • The team studied this with an A/B test. This test showed that contributors who could use section editing were 1% more likely to publish the edits they started than people with only full-page editing.
  2. Loading overlay
    • The purpose is to smooth the transition between reading and editing.

Section editing and the new loading overlay are now available to everyone using the mobile visual editor.

New and active projects

This is a list of our most active projects. Watch these pages to learn about project updates and to share your input on new designs, prototypes and research findings.

  • Edit cards: This is a clearer way to add and edit links, citations, images, templates, etc. in articles. You can try this feature now. Go here to see how: 📲Try Edit Cards.
  • Mobile toolbar refresh: This project will learn if contributors are more successful when the editing tools are easier to recognize.
  • Mobile visual editor availability: This A/B test asks: Are newer contributors more successful if they use the mobile visual editor? We are collaborating with 20 Wikipedias to answer this question.
  • Usability improvements: This project will make the mobile visual editor easier to use.  The goal is to let contributors stay focused on editing and to feel more confident in the editing tools.

Looking ahead

  • Wikimania: Several members of the Editing Team will be attending Wikimania in August 2019. They will lead a session about mobile editing in the Community Growth space. Talk to them about how editing can be improved.
  • Talk Pages: In the coming months, the Editing Team will begin improving talk pages and communication on the wikis.

Learning more

The VisualEditor on mobile is a good place to learn more about the projects we are working on. The team wants to talk with you about anything related to editing. If you have something to say or ask, please leave a message at Talk:VisualEditor on mobile.

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如何製作風暴路徑圖

可以教我怎麼做風暴的路徑圖嗎? 一直想學，但就是做不起來 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Teddy910208 (talk • contribs) 09:09, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

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Marilyn / Nimfa ?

Wait so would you think that both systems are separate? I mean PAGASA does of course, but what's your call on this? Typhoon2013 (talk) 11:04, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Because all agencies but JTWC say so. 🐱💬 11:11, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
Yep. And I think it's best to separate the tracks for both systems imo. Typhoon2013 (talk) 19:09, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
It is a hard choice but I may separate them when JMA assigns a name, as JTWC has removed the track data before 00:00 UTC on September 17. 🐱💬 02:34, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

Editing News #2 – Mobile editing and talk pages – October 2019

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Inside this newsletter, the Editing team talks about their work on the mobile visual editor, on the new talk pages project, and at Wikimania 2019.

Help

What talk page interactions do you remember? Is it a story about how someone helped you to learn something new? Is it a story about how someone helped you get involved in a group? Something else? Whatever your story is, we want to hear it!

Please tell us a story about how you used a talk page. Please share a link to a memorable discussion, or describe it on the talk page for this project. The team would value your examples. These examples will help everyone develop a shared understanding of what this project should support and encourage.

Talk Pages

The Talk Pages Consultation was a global consultation to define better tools for wiki communication. From February through June 2019, more than 500 volunteers on 20 wikis, across 15 languages and multiple projects, came together with members of the Foundation to create a product direction for a set of discussion tools. The Phase 2 Report of the Talk Page Consultation was published in August. It summarizes the product direction the team has started to work on, which you can read more about here: Talk Page Project project page.

The team needs and wants your help at this early stage. They are starting to develop the first idea. Please add your name to the "Getting involved" section of the project page, if you would like to hear about opportunities to participate.

Mobile visual editor

The Editing team is trying to make it simpler to edit on mobile devices. The team is changing the visual editor on mobile. If you have something to say about editing on a mobile device, please leave a message at Talk:VisualEditor on mobile.

Edit Cards

What happens when you click on a link. The new Edit Card is bigger and has more options for editing links.

Toolbar

The editing toolbar is changing in the mobile visual editor. The old system had two different toolbars. Now, all the buttons are together. Tell the team what you think about the new toolbar.
  • In September, the Editing team updated the mobile visual editor's editing toolbar. Anyone could see these changes in the mobile visual editor.
    • One toolbar: All of the editing tools are located in one toolbar. Previously, the toolbar changed when you clicked on different things.
    • New navigation: The buttons for moving forward and backward in the edit flow have changed.
    • Seamless switching: an improved workflow for switching between the visual and wikitext modes.
  • Feedback: You can try the refreshed toolbar by opening the mobile VisualEditor on a smartphone. Please post your feedback on the Toolbar feedback talk page.

Wikimania

The Editing Team attended Wikimania 2019 in Sweden. They led a session on the mobile visual editor and a session on the new talk pages project. They tested two new features in the mobile visual editor with contributors. You can read more about what the team did and learned in the team's report on Wikimania 2019.

Looking ahead

  • Talk Pages Project: The team is thinking about the first set of proposed changes. The team will be working with a few communities to pilot those changes. The best way to stay informed is by adding your username to the list on the project page: Getting involved.
  • Testing the mobile visual editor as the default: The Editing team plans to post results before the end of the calendar year. The best way to stay informed is by adding the project page to your watchlist: VisualEditor as mobile default project page.
  • Measuring the impact of Edit Cards: The Editing team hopes to share results in November. This study asks whether the project helped editors add links and citations. The best way to stay informed is by adding the project page to your watchlist: Edit Cards project page.

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07W OPC

Hello. I just want to ask, is it okay to use OPC data? The 07W track in IBTrACS version doesn't seem to enlist OPC as an agency (which is not really, the OPC was just a service center for marines) and I just want to ask. Because later, I will update Jelawat to 07W with IBTrACS versions, which I updated Bolaven and Sanba earlier (Bolaven for one thing, Sanba's track was messed up because JMA tracked the system as a TD while JTWC tracks it as a wave) and I don't want some angry thingy, because I don't want to do the same thing I did the past years (Instalok's puppetry lol). I just want it to clarify. - 👦 09:21, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Then all hundreds of tracks including an extratropical stage should be revised if it is not okay to use. You could update them by yourself when you have the complete and official extratropical positions, but I do not think you really have. 🐱💬 13:36, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
@Meow: Thanks for clarifying. Have a nice night 😉 - 👦 15:12, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

RSMC BT or HKO/CMA BT?

Hello again. I have to ask again, can I use HKO/CMA estimates? I use JMA estimates + 5 knots (please see this) because in Yagi's track, only CMA and HKO re-upgraded the storm into a tropical storm OVERLAND lol. - 👦 07:41, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Feel free to stroll through my now-updated maps (Jongdari, 16W, Shanshan and Yagi) and analyze it if it's okay. Have a nice day! - 👦 07:52, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
Nobody uses “JMA+5kt”. 🐱💬 09:41, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
Well, I just use them lol. So is it okay? - 👦 07:21, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
Not okay for me, especially the TD status. 🐱💬 07:22, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
Then, when the HKO and/or CMA tracks a storm while the JMA and JTWC doesn't issue advisories, should I make an exception? - 👦 10:08, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
This exception should have consensus first, as it would become a problem if anyone can determine any agency for reference. 🐱💬 10:33, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
Where do we get the consensus? In the WPTC track talk page? I can bring the problem right away, but I don't think many would respond. - 👦 07:26, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
Unfortunately I am not really sure. 🐱💬 07:35, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
Without the consensus, I will use just JMA and JTWC best tracks. Gonna update the 1998 typhoon season - 👦 08:32, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Track map for Invest 98P

Hi Meow. Could you please make a track map for the tropical low that is currently active in the Australian region? It is Invest 98P in the JTWC's numbering system. I would really like to have track maps for all Australian systems this season, so it would be excellent if you could do that for me. I don't know how to use the program to make the track maps. Thanks! ChocolateTrain (talk) 12:40, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

I will. 🐱💬 13:08, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
Sorry I didn't reply earlier, but thanks for doing that! ChocolateTrain (talk) 03:14, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Track maps for Invests 95S and 96P

@Meow: Hi again, Meow. Invest 95S is currently located over the Indian Ocean, just outside the Australian region. It was in the Australian region on 13 February as a tropical low. It would be great if you wouldn't mind starting a track map for that system like you did for Invest 98P before. Some models show the disturbance developing into a tropical cyclone (it would probably be called Herold if it does form), but just in case it doesn't, it might be prudent to start the map now before the 95S data is overwritten by another system later. Thanks again in advance! ChocolateTrain (talk) 18:01, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

@Meow: Also, Invest 96P is in the Australian region at the moment. It will probably develop into Cyclone Wasi as it tracks east into the South Pacific, but it would be good to have the disturbance/depression phase of it available in a map for the Australian season article. ChocolateTrain (talk) 08:38, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

I would wait longer for their development as it is currently unnecessary to update them frequently. 🐱💬 13:20, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
Ah, OK. No worries. ChocolateTrain (talk) 14:09, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
@Meow: It appears that Invest 95S has now dissipated. The tracking data file has not been updated since 00Z on 16 February, and Météo-France no longer regards the system as having the potential to develop into a cyclone. ChocolateTrain (talk) 06:31, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
I’ve uploaded it. 🐱💬 08:55, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
@Meow: Thanks! I've added it to the season article. ChocolateTrain (talk) 13:21, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Track maps for Invests 98P, 99P and 90S

@Meow: The very active week in the South Pacific is continuing, and has now spread to other parts of the Southern Hemisphere! It would be fantastic if you could work your magic and start the following track maps:

  • Tropical Disturbance 10F (Invest 98P) in the South Pacific basin
  • Tropical Low 07U (Invest 99P) in the Australian region
  • Invest 90S in the Australian region (yet to be officially named a tropical low by the BOM, but this will probably happen tomorrow)

Thank you once again for the help that you've been providing by making the track maps. ChocolateTrain (talk) 09:01, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

For significant systems I upload every day. 🐱💬 14:32, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
Thanks again. ChocolateTrain (talk) 14:59, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
@Meow: I have a question regarding the track map for 07U. It seems that when you uploaded the second version, several of the previous data points were deleted. Would you be able to add the initial data points to the new map so no data is lost? Also, 90S is now Tropical Low 08U, so the map should be started. ChocolateTrain (talk) 02:32, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
That is because JTWC kept regretting and eliminating old positions. It could be only solved by BOM’s best track data in the future. 🐱💬 07:20, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Track map for Tropical Cyclone 21S

@Meow: Hi again, Meow. The tropical low off the coast of Western Australia, designated Invest 94S by the JTWC, has recently developed into a tropical storm. It has received the identifier 21S. Could you please start that track map? I don't think it will develop into a tropical cyclone on the Australian scale, so I guess the file name would be 21S 2020 track.png or something like that. Thank you, as always! ChocolateTrain (talk) 11:57, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Yes I uploaded. I’m waiting for 96P’s development so I won’t need to name it TL 96P Mar 2020 track first. 🐱💬 16:27, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Handling 10-min winds for post-tropical?

I encountered this and I think should be used entirely for post-tropical systems and/or extratropical systems. Is it really good to use this? Regards, 👦 06:09, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Now I do it when there is no data from OPC or JTWC. 🐱💬 12:24, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
@Meow: But how do you get the knots when JMA doesn't produce any knots (good example is extratropical stage), JTWC stopped issuing advisories and not on the OPC's area of responsibility (west of 180W)? Regards, 👦 13:18, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
There are archives of JMA’s high seas bulletins on the internet, and I have my own archives via IFTTT for quicker references. 🐱💬 02:28, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
@Meow: Link please. By the way, their high seas bulletins usually don't have knots for 'em. Did you calculate their moving speed? Lol Regards, 👦 02:22, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
How cannot theirs include knots for gale- and storm-force systems? 🐱💬 07:46, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Your off-wiki comments

Do not think you can hide personal attacks against me on Discord: [4].

The version of the ATCF file I used had this, which has since been edited in favor of the nonsynoptic point: 

SH, 22, 2020031706,   , BEST,   0, 191S,  604E, 100,  963, TY,  34, NEQ,  125,   90,  110,  105, 1007,  200,  12,   0,  15,   S,   0,    ,   0,   0,     HEROLD, D,

I can provide a copy of it if you'd like but that is also reflected in RAMMB's track.

Perhaps, just perhaps, you should consider the possibility that you're wrong, and even if you had been right, you seriously need to change the way you approach your interactions with others.--Jasper Deng (talk) 03:26, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

So you still don’t understand the problem is not the data itself. 🐱💬 03:28, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
I don't care about what other cosmetic issues you would have about the image. When I built that image, it was built correctly (in particular, the asynoptic point did not exist when I built it). You owe me an apology for the personal attack. Read WP:AGF a few times, and commit yourself to conducting yourself more collegially in the future. This is far from the first time you have needed to be warned about personal attacks.--Jasper Deng (talk) 03:29, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
[5] Seriously? You know better than that.--Jasper Deng (talk) 03:31, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
I sincerely apologise for giving you 🖕 on Discord. 🐱💬 05:09, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
Apology accepted, as long as this doesn’t happen again. For my part, I’ll update the world map on my computer to be the highest-resolution version.—Jasper Deng (talk) 05:16, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
Make sure it’s 21600px-wide one (43200px-wide one is too large to use). 🐱💬 05:19, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Invest 98P

@Meow: Hi Meow. Could you please make a track map for Invest 98P? It has actually been around since 26 March, but unfortunately, several days of history were wiped from the track file this afternoon. It would be really good to preserve the current data in the track map before that gets wiped as well. The relevant system is the tropical low currently active in the Australian region (before Harold), which I think is probably 11U, but I haven't found any official mention of the identifier. Thanks. ChocolateTrain (talk) 10:18, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Just uploaded. 🐱💬 10:32, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
Excellent. Thanks! ChocolateTrain (talk) 17:57, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Give an example of why you created a hurricane track

Give an example of why you created a hurricane track Vala keep (talk) 07:21, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Give an example of how you made a storm track

Give an example of how you made a storm track Vala keep (talk) 07:24, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Tropical cyclones/Tracks 🐱💬 02:13, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
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