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  • Additional comment Only source given on the page is Imdb which, of course, is not a reliable source. The BLP Prod must stand unless and until a reliable source is introduced into the article. Thanks. Safiel (talk) 08:04, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

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This is to let you know I have removed your tags from the Princes in the Tower article. This is because (1) there is plenty of evidence that John of Gloucester was executed by Henry VII and (2) you are incorrect, or rather only partially correct, in your claim that Simnel claimed to be Warwick and not Richard. At the battle of Stoke, he claimed to be Warwick - however, at the beginning of his insurrection, he claimed to be Richard. Nobody actually believed him in either claim, of course. They were both patent lies, invented by Margaret of Burgundy and the Earl of Lincoln for their own purposes and frantically fishing for something vaguely plausible to justify their actions (a bit like Richard III himself, of course, who if all of his increasingly desperate claims are to be believed was practically the only member of his entire family born in wedlock). But that was hardly relevant to your own points.

By the way - just a thought, but if you put such tags on, open a discussion on the article talk page as well. Makes it easier to see what the problem is.81.135.62.191 (talk) 16:41, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

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This is ridiculous, but...

You've now made the same edit four times in two days while apparently refusing to engage in discussion. This is edit warring, whether or not you have technically broken the three revert rule. Your latest edit came with the cryptic comment that you "don't think this is BRD". I have no idea what that means. I'm not trying to patronise you, but your weird comments suggest to me that you're confused, so here's the situation: The bold, revert, discuss (BRD) cycle is very simple. Someone (in this case, you) boldly makes an edit. Someone else (in this case, me) reverts the edit. The original editor then has three options: First, they could engage in an edit war, in which case they face the prospect of being blocked. This is what you have done, and this is not an acceptable option, due to our policies against edit warring. Second, they could let it drop and get on with their life. This is the result I was hoping for, but oh well. Third (and this is the D in BRD), they could engage in discussion with the editor who has reverted them, perhaps on the article talk page. If the discussion leads to an intractable disagreement, there can be a request for comment. Now, I think that's all very simple, but the current situation has really not worked out well; what's gone wrong? Josh Milburn (talk) 09:30, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

And to add insult to injury, your hatnote is not even MOS-compliant. So, because I'm unwilling to edit war with you further, you've now left the featured article I spent many hours working on non-MOS-compliant. This whole situation is ridiculous. Josh Milburn (talk) 09:34, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

I have replied to this on the talk page for the article A Quiet Night In.

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I've removed the PROD tag because the discussion you invited on the talk page was effectively an AfD without the structure of an AfD. If you want an AfD, please do it the normal way. Thanks, for (;;) (talk) 10:21, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

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In Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Donald MacLaren of MacLaren you wrote something that really shocked me: "We previously reached agreement that Lord Lieutenants are not inherently notable."

Isn't a Lord Lieutenant the equivalent for UK counties and subsidiary kingdoms to to the Lieutenant Governors of Canadian Provinces? Isn't it essentially a vice-regal appointment? It seems to me that it is a position that clearly meets the criterai for WP:POLITICIAN -- ie an office-holder at the State or Provincial level.

So, I would be very grateful if you would supply a link to whatever discussion you think reached the agreement LL were not notable. Geo Swan (talk) 19:46, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Donald Ross (British Army officer). I don't know much about Canadian Lt. Govs., but provinces are larger areas than UK counties. PatGallacher (talk) 21:10, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
I am sorry, but I have several problems with this.
  1. I am not comfortable with you referencing a single AFD, where only three other people weighed in, and representing it as a project wide consensus.
  2. I acknowledge I don't know the specific duties of a county Lord Lieutenant in the 21st Century. I know, from reading biographies of notable UK politicians, like the Duke of Wellington, that the position of Lord Lieutenant was highly notable in the 19th Century.
  3. Just about every Canadian Province is geographically much larger than a UK County. But, in terms of population the three most populous UK Metropolitan counties West Midlands, Greater Manchester, West Yorkshire are more populous than Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, Newfoundland and Labrador and Prince Edward Island -- ie 60 % of Canada's Provinces. More than 80 percent of UK counties are more populous than PEI. Four UK counties are larger than PEI. PEI is like Canada's Rhode Island.
  4. The position of Lord Lieutenant is not confined to Counties. Wellington, for instance, was Lord Lieutenant of Ireland
  5. it seems to me that it should be irrelevant if the position is largely ceremonial. Don't we consider ALL Presidents as notable as a US President, no matter which republic, no matter how tiny, without regard to differences in those other Republic's Constitution, that left the Presidents of some republics with largely ceremonial duties. If I am not mistaken the President of Israel's duties are largely ceremonial, as were the duties of the President of the old Soviet Union. Joseph Stalin wasn't the President of the Soviet Union, his position was Secretary of the Communist Party. He didn't even hold a cabinet portfolio.

    Similarly, Constitutional Monarchs duties are almost all ceremonial, they are nevertheless the official Head Of State. Constitutional Monarchs unquestionably meet WP:POLITICIAN's criteria for the Federal level, even if their duties are largely ceremonial. And Lord Lieutenants in the UK, and Lieutenant Governors in Canada, meet WP:POLITICIAN's criteria at the State/Province level, even during periods when their duties are largely ceremonial.

    Are UK counties the second level for the UK, like a Canadian Province or US State? I say yes. Not every country names its second level a Province or State. Even in the Anglosphere there are nations, whose second level is a County, or Parish. Lots of countries, have multiple parallel second levels. Canada and Pakistan have both Provinces and territories. The USA has its States, once had territories, still has Puerto Rico, Guam, etc, which aren't States, but are nevertheless are at the second level.

  6. Your nomination cites WP:SOLDIER, as if it trumps WP:POLITICIAN. But how do you figure that is possible, when WP:SOLDIER is just an essay, and WP:POLITICIAN is an official notability guideline?
Could you please name for me all the AFD where you have claimed Lord Lieutenant doesn't meet the criteria for WP:POLITICIAN, or that the WP:SOLDIER essay trumps WP:POLITICIAN? Geo Swan (talk) 07:17, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
I have looked into this, and I think there are some reasons why Canadian LLs are not equivalent to British LLs, Canadian provinces are significantly more important than British counties, its not just a question of population size. It is implicit in WP:POLITICIAN that Canadian provincial deputies are inherently notable, but we seem to have regarded the bulk of local politicians in Britain as not notable. LL of Ireland is not equivalent either. Nobody argued that WP:SOLDIER trumps WP:POLITICIAN, the argument was that Donald Ross did not meet either notability criterion. I am not sure if there have been other deletion discussions where this issue was discussed, but feel free to open an Undeletion discussion for Donald Ross if you want. PatGallacher (talk) 15:48, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Most Canadian Lieutenant Governors may be more important than most UK Lord Lieutenants, today. Let's leave aside the question of which UK Lord Lieutenants are more important than the Lieutenant Governors of the tiny Canadian Province of Prince Edward Island.
POLITICIAN doesn't, and shouldn't, cherry pick which nation's heads of state are most important. Palau is a country of just a few thousand individuals. On this scale of importance you used to rank Canadian LGs as notable, and UK LLs as non-notable, is the President of Palau more important than an UK LL? Is a Paluan Cabinet member more important than an UK LL?
What about Sark's legislature? Sark's population is about 1000. Its head of state is Queen Elizabeth's last feudal vassal. Sark has a legislature, consisting of very part time legislators, each elected by a couple of dozen neighbours. Okay, it seems odd to treat them as important as a member of Canada's parliament, or the US Congress. But any other scale is way more hard to implement. Consider legislators important, or unimportant, depending on how large their constituency is? That would be an incredible nightmare to implement. And, no offense, but I suggest your scale, where you state UK LLs shouldn't count, because their duties are too ceremonial, is not much better than a hard to implement system based on constituency duties. Some legislatures have evolved so their members are relatively powerless. Should we not grant such legislators POLITICIAN status?
US Congress people remain relatively more powerful than Canadian backbenchers -- MPs who aren't Cabinet members or Parliamentary Secretaries. In 1985 I sat in on a day of hearings of a traveling inter-Parliamentary Committee. Brian Mulroney's Conservatives had swept the Province of Quebec, and had a large majority that included about 60 first-term backbenchers from Quebec. Because the Conservatives were in power, a Conservative was the committee's chair. The Liberal and NDP members of the committee were intelligent, well informed, respectful. But the Conservatives? The chair spoke, often, and in a highly partisan way. He made no effort to appear non-partisan. He was clearly trying to sherpherd his committee to reach a conclusion that Mulroney had directed him to reach. His fellow Conservatives? Almost silent. They were lollygagging; staring at the ceiling; doodling. They weren't paying attention. There were only a few occasions when one of them piped up, with a question to the presenters. And all those comments showed they hadn't done any homework, and weren't paying attention.
Why was this? Because, under the de facto Party system, in Canada, party discipline is so tight a back-bencher role in making policy is largely for show.
So, my position remains the same. I urge you to reconsider not including relatively powerless, relatively ceremonial positions, when they measure up to the letter of POLITICIAN, because this approach leads to chaos. Geo Swan (talk) 09:26, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

Would you please explain your 2010 edit? Maybe the context has changed? Leon Trotsky has responded - how? Your source is probably trotskyst, which makes it unreliable. Xx236 (talk) 07:12, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

My source is Trotsky's History of the Russian Revolution itself, easily available online. PatGallacher (talk) 10:01, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Murder of Farah Noor Adams

The article Murder of Farah Noor Adams has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

article is about a murder which does not appear to meet Wikipedia's criteria for general notability

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Nomination of Murder of Farah Noor Adams for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Murder of Farah Noor Adams is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Margarita of Bulgaria, Article title and lead

Sorry PatGallacher, but I think there might be issues that we don't agree upon. At this point (at least) I'm not insisting that she be called a Queen in the article title, which I would prefer, but the present one is bad in more than one way. The first mention in the article should at least reflect some official name. Saxe-Coburg-Gotha is not her civil surname in Bulgarian (we are not in the habit of translating civil surnames from other languages into English alternatives for them), nor is it a reflection of a title she may hold by courtesy in some way. If it is to be regarded as a civil surname it should be rendered in Bulgarian. If it's the derivative of a title it should at least be "of Saxe-Coburg & Gotha". And people who choose to be known by their civil surnames and not titles, should not have their civil surnames "translated" into another language like English. That is just wrong. Gerard von Hebel (talk) 20:32, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

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The article Lorn Macdonald has been proposed for deletion because it appears to have no reliable references. Under Wikipedia policy, this biography of a living person will be deleted unless it has at least one reference to a reliable source that directly supports material in the article.

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Proposed deletion of Maurishka

The article Maurishka has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

No indication of meeting the notability guidelines at WP:ENT

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The article Sabrina Latreche has been proposed for deletion because it appears to have no reliable references. Under Wikipedia policy, this biography of a living person will be deleted unless it has at least one reference to a reliable source that directly supports material in the article.

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Speedy deletion nomination of Murder of Surjit Singh Chhokar

Hello PatGallacher,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Murder of Surjit Singh Chhokar for deletion, because the article doesn't clearly say why the subject is important enough to be included in an encyclopedia.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Mindcap (talk) 11:48, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Sharon Green

The article Sharon Green has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

No assertion of notability, and two sources provided on page are not independent. Unable to find further sources. Appears subject does not meet the WP:GNG or WP:BIO.

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