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DYK nomination of Marian Lutosławski

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Maximilian Kolbe

I am finishing c/e and expansion of this article. I think you may be interested in this topic as it concerns the area of WWII P-J relations. I'd like to nominate it for GA in a few days. Any comments and edits are much appreciated. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:28, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

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DYK nomination of Otto Stadie

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The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
I'd just like to commend you for your steady production of interesting, well-cited, and well-illustrated articles on Nazism and the Holocaust in Poland. Your hooky DYK nominations are exposing more readers to the atrocities, while building up the encyclopedia in a significant topic area. Keep up the great work! Yoninah (talk) 16:43, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
Thank you, Yoninah. It's a pleasure working with you, Poeticbent talk 16:48, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Otto Stadie

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DYK nomination of Conversations with an Executioner

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Doda

szablony zachowaj dla siebie, źródła typu fakt nie spełniają WP:RS, nie wspomnę o niszczeniu kodu, następnym razem zawiadomię administrację 66.102.129.154 (talk) 16:40, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

poważnie ?,z czym masz problem wstawiasz na swojej stronie This user prefers discussing changes on the talkpage rather than engaging in an edit war., a jednocześnie prowadzisz wojnę edycyjną, czego nie rozumiesz w WP:RS, taki problem masz poszukać innego źródła 66.102.129.154 (talk) 17:01, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

SS rank collar tabs

Please do not change these from the way I put them. You cannot see what the rank looked like on the collar tabs with the way you have changed them. - Hoops gza (talk) 22:00, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Conversations with an Executioner

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DYK nomination of Franz Wolf (SS officer)

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DYK for Franz Wolf (SS officer)

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DYK for Jungdeutsche Partei

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Requested article translation

Hi, Poeticbent. I'm sorry, but I will not be able to help you with this. I do not speak German, and have relied primarily upon good machine translations for German, wherein I would then check where possible with English sources or Spanish (which I can speak) or French (which translates wonderfully to English). The equivalent German article of this is too long and includes quotes, which do not translate well through a machine.

Furthermore, for your knowledge, I only have a select few more articles on this topic that I plan to cover. I will be retiring from this field of interest within the next few days. I suggest looking for a German speaker at Category:User de or tagging it for translation. The latter choice will probably not result in a translation within five days, however. I wish you the best of luck in your future pursuits in furtherance of this and all other topics. - Hoops gza (talk) 18:32, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Drawing of Kim Jong-un

Do you draw well? If so, we could really use your skills. Please see this. Many thanks. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:58, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, Anna Frodesiak for thinking of me when faced with this new challenge. I feel honoured although Kim Jong-un is not exactly the Queen of England requiring a postage stamp design, which bears his portrait. I regret to say that he is as far as can be from my usual choice of entertainment. Poeticbent talk 11:23, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Marian Lutosławski

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24 October 2014

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New photographs from the Museum of the History of Polish Jews

Hi Ryszard, we have just received from the Museum 19 photographs of the main exibition (to be open today at 2pm) and the builidng to enrich Wikipedia. I have added some to our Polish Wikipedia article, do you thing you can give us a hand regarding the English one and also add some? I currently travelling and have limilited access to Internet. Many thanks! Boston9 (talk) 11:10, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

I'll be happy to help however I can. Very impressive, I wish I could be there. Poeticbent talk 12:02, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! Boston9 (talk) 13:58, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

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I have reported your gross personal attack

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Notability of two individuals

I've prodded several other creations by Racine262 (talk · contribs) but what do you think of Hermine Boettcher-Brueckner and Erna Beilhardt? Those, at least, were captured and faced a trial, so the references are a bit better. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:52, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

  • Hi, Piotrus. These two WP:BIOs are fine. At least some vital statistics are mentioned including birthdate and place of origin. Useful for our Stutthof trial article, like you said. Cheers, Poeticbent talk 14:19, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Alfred Ittner

This SS man now has an article. Perhaps you'd like to add an infobox for him. This non-free picture: [2] is probably the best you're going to find of him. I'm too lazy to edit it. As I've said I'm trying to keep away from this topic. - Hoops gza (talk) 19:31, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Could you please answer? - Hoops gza (talk) 01:17, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

  • Sorry for not being so prompt this time Hoops gza. I got tided up in some nationalist shit, but I read the article. The photo seems copyrighted so it would have to be fair use I'm afraid. Please be patient. I will get to it eventually, Poeticbent talk 04:22, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Sorry for being pushy. Thanks for the tireless contributions. The guy who made that article, User:Keresaspa, is one of the most tireless contributors of Nazi-related material on here. On the German Wikipedia, the most tireless contributor seems to be Schreiben. Too bad we don't have more German speakers on here. Perhaps in time many of the books will be translated to English. - Hoops gza (talk) 19:46, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

I'm glad I could help. Pleasure working with you Hoops gza, Poeticbent talk 19:56, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

List of schools in Poland

I understand that you have proposed List of schools in Poland for deletion, but can I ask why you have reverted my edits to pages linking the article? As is stands, the article exists and it has not been deleted yet? Bleaney (talk) 19:36, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

The article has been removed from articles for deletion, so I have reinstated these links. I appreciate your argument that this article is in now way (at the moment) reflective of schools in Poland. But the beauty of Wikipedia is that there is time for it to grow... - Bleaney (talk) 19:36, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
  • I will work on it as soon as I'm able to. I looked at other articles in the same series. They all look like a mistake, but for as long as they are in existence (sans WP:AfD templates of course), at least the bare bones in your List of schools in Poland will be provided shortly. Thanks, Poeticbent talk 19:57, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
If you are going to expand this article, you may want to use List of schools in the United Kingdom and its subsidiary lists as a guide... in particular something like List of schools in Plymouth. Happy editing! Bleaney (talk) 20:10, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the tip, Bleaney. I have a slightly different idea in mind, based on your own list, but with a different take. I will provide external links to government Excel and Zip files with thousands of schools per each administrative region in them. I will not be listing individual schools. There are too many. Poeticbent talk 20:20, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
Ahh right, well lets see how that turns out then... Bleaney (talk) 20:24, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

November 24

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Your recent editing history at Czesław Mączyński‎ shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.

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Blocked

For tendentious edit-warring on Czesław Mączyński‎, I have blocked you for 3 days. The block is longer than a normal 3RR block because it's in the area of conflict in which you have had a history of problematic conduct, and it will be logged as an enforcement action under WP:ARBEE. Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:32, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Commenting

My most recent expansion of this article (+10,915)‎ included a selection of academic sources going well beyond Wikipedia:Cherrypicking by the above user active in Wikipedia articles in the Category:Poland–Ukraine relations. I try to stay away from it mainly as a result of the bad blood. The Wikipedia biography of Czesław Mączyński‎ however, is also the subject of a recent book with excerpts available online which drew my attention to the fact that he's been vilified for his Defense of Lwów in the Soviet-dominated Europe.

  1. Książki, Pułkownik Czesław Mączyński 1881–1935. Obrońca Lwowa i polityk Drugiej Rzeczpospolitej (The Defender of Lwow and Politician of the Second Republic) By Jacek Miliński (University of Łódź), Publisher: Trio, Warsaw 2004, ISBN 83-88542-01-8 Parameter error in {{ISBN}}: checksum.

My new academic sources shedding a better light on the subject of this article included:

  1. Danuta Trylska-Siekańska, Elżbieta Mokrzyska, Pułkownik Czesław Mączyński 1881–1935. Nowe Ksiązki. Cracovia Leopolis - historia i kultura Lwowa oraz Małopolski Wschodniej.
  2. Agnieszka Biedrzycka. Kalendarium Lwowa 1918–1939 (PDF file, direct download 4.04 MB). Towarzystwo Autorów i Wydawców Prac Naukowych Universitas. pp. 19–26. ISBN 97883-242-1542-3. Retrieved 22 November 2014. {{cite book}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help)

Also added, were the new translations of original documents:

  1. Lwow.home.pl, Czesław Mączyński, Boje Lwowskie. Część I. Oswobodzenie Lwowa (Battles for Lwów. Part 1. Liberation) 1-24 listopada 1918 roku. Warszawa: Nakładem Spółki Wyd. Rzeczpospolita, 1921.

I feel, I was being goaded into this conflict by personal attacks i.e. accusations of adding "falsehoods", or my alleged connection to master "Loosmark", made mistakenly in September 2011 which I thought was already put to rest... Anyhow, clinging to one book by Carole Fink was not the way to go. The commentator was unnecessarily hostile. That in fact, was the reason why the book was being flogged by Faustian so hard. The Ukrainian vilification of Polish history is not a recent phenomenon I'm afraid. The citation linked by the user was 67 pages earlier in that book, on page 112, not on page 179, which was a proof that the user did not check what he fought for.

Carole Fink does not have a monopoly on knowledge about the Polish history. The quote about Czesław Mączyński‎ being elected to parliament as "a member of the right-wing Christian Front" was from her footnote, credited to work of German historian Golczewski, titled "Polnisch-Jüdische Beziehungen". Wikipedia has an article about that Polish legislative election, 1922 to the Sejm and so, we can learn more. There was no "Christian Front" at all, but there was a Christian Union of National Unity (Chrześcijański Związek Jedności Narodowej), broadly represented across the whole country with maximum votes in that election. I tagged the right-wing allegation as "dubious". Please check how many times the maintenance tag was removed in that edit-war by Faustian. We have a policy against that. It's called disruptive editing. I'm stunned how quickly he's found his way back to the original blocking admin; but please, look at both sides of this argument Fut.Perf. Thanks, Poeticbent talk 11:34, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

I listed page 112 as the source for Carole Fink; if the link to googlebook doesn't go there for you, this is unfortunate. I use sources avaialble to me, which tend to be English language. Carol Fink's book is publushed by Cambridge University. Your own additions were rather biased. Your changes: [3]. at the bottom, you quoted the pamphlet Maczynski distributed, and described it in your words on the article page as "The Appeal was in no-way antisemitic, but it spoke of the reported to him (not properly investigated) individual cases of alleged Jewish attacks (which were later disproved as false in official state investigation)". The appeal itself stated: "There were instances reported of shooting from deep concealment, throwing pots of boiling water but also axes at the army patrols, etc. ...Nevertheless, there's a serious responsibility on the part of the entire Jewish community to stop these elements among their own coreligionists who act in a way that suggests a complete lack of care for the impending catastrophe which could affect all Jewish citizens." So Maczynski's pamphlet has false claims of Jews throwing axes and boiling water on Poles, holds the Jewish community collectively responsible for these false acts, and threatens the Jewish community with "catastrophe" for these false acts. And Poeticbent describes this as " in no-way antisemitic" while, multiple times, deleting Carole Fink's correct summary of that pamphlet. This is tendntious editing by Poeticbent and it is unfortunate to see that after his block he persists in this on his talk page.Faustian (talk) 14:16, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
I correctly stated that you added a falsehood after your multiple reversions and after you had accused me of pushing a POV.
As for your false personal attack implying that I am part of a group that engages in "vilification of Polish history", I recently rewrote the following article, making massive additions: Poles in Ukraine. Is that vilification?Faustian (talk) 14:16, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
Both, please do not engage in further interpersonal squabbles here; any further discussion should be on the article talk page and should firmly focus on what is the best summary of the available sources you have, not on which editor committed which wrongs. Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:08, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

I never said that my expansion of the biography of Czesław Mączyński could not be improved. In 1918 the War was raging in Lviv, and some of the steps he took were wrong. – Faustian was correct in removing that one part of my intro to Mączyński's "Appeal" (which I translated). It is fortunate, that we can leave it to the reader now to decide whether his "Appeal" was antisemitic or not ... I should not have implied it wasn't. So, I did not put it back. But that's not how the edit-war started.

The bit about the "the right-wing Christian Front" was revised in my expansion to include an obvious mistake in Carole Fink's footnote. The name of the coalition was different. It had led the elections as a populist movement, the biggest in Poland, therefore "not" extremist. I removed the "right-wing" bit in my expansion and left a hidden note about it. The first thing Faustian did, in his two consecutive edits, was to reinstate it ... this time ... under already revised "name" of that coalition with internal link which he did not examine. It was an inflammatory action meant to upset the balance, a WP:OR. Faustian reinstated it again with the summary suggesting that he did not re-read the source before reverting, quote: "Finch doesn't identify party but does state right-wing".

One look at the book reveals that Finch did not say that. It was a quote from Golczewski in German, not in the body of her work but in a "footnote". The context was lost in translation. Please note, Mączyński did not murder anybody ... and the claim that "3 synagogues, were allowed to burn" added by Faustian repeatedly is contradicted by dr. Biedrzycka (top level academic)[4] who stated on page 19 (PDF) the following: the Templum Synagogue was set on fire on the night of 23/24 November ... the fire was put out that day by fire brigade. The Old Synagogue on Bożnicza Street and the Chassidic Synagogue on Węglana Street were also set on fire on the 24th, and burned obviously because the resources weren’t there to help. Mączyński should not be blamed for it … unless you are into a "blame game" caused by human losses, destruction and pain. The blame game is well featured in Carol Finch’s book. Quote: "Polish fire officials cordoned off the Jewish quarter and withheld water from burning buildings" (end of quote) attributed to von Josef Bendow (Tenenbaum, 1919), as well as Israel Cohen (1919); and another source subsidized by the German Foreign Ministry. This is crystal balling right at the scene. Polish scientific sources clearly contradict that.

All in all, it was probably better that I was blocked not Faustian because it allowed me the time to write this, and him, to address my statement from above. Faustian is an experienced editor, but with a very short fuse. I don't like working like that ... there's so much other crap to take care of that I don't need to go back to that article ever again. The 3 day block is too much. I did not deserve such harsh punishment being goaded by him in two articles, not just one. Please unblock me sooner Fut.Perf. so I can go back to my regular writing. Thanks, Poeticbent talk 20:33, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

My closing remarks

Because my plea for the reduction of penalty was not addressed by the blocking admin User:Future Perfect at Sunrise, I feel compelled to (at least) set the record straight for our future reference. It takes two to tango. User:Faustian has been warned by the Arbitration enforcement on 20 March 2014 for edit warring in Eastern Europe, and blocked from editing for a period of 24 hours by Sandstein. This battleground attitude was put on record at the 2014 "List of editors placed on notice" available at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Eastern Europe. The General restrictions affecting all users editing in this area have been defined in § 11 of the Requests for arbitration‎ Eastern Europe as follows: Any editor working on topics related to Eastern Europe, broadly defined, may be made subject to an editing restriction at the discretion of any uninvolved administrator. The restriction shall specify that, should the editor make any edits which are judged by an administrator to be uncivil, personal attacks, or assumptions of bad faith, he may be blocked for the duration specified in the enforcement ruling... (emphasis mine). User Faustian was not even warned by the blocking admin for edit-warring this time around. Thus, the blame for the quote-unquote "tendentious edit-warring on Czesław Mączyński" was put squarely on my shoulders. Ignored was – not only my plea for the reduction of penalty, but also – Faustian's repeat "assumptions of bad faith" on my part, shown in his reverts and in uncivil comments all the way through, i.e.: "addition of dubious tag based on falsehood", or "you've been "indefinitely" banned in the past: please refrain from disruptive editing" made in two related article talk pages, not just one: [5],[6], "you added a falsehood" (above) and so on. Please judge for yourself. It looks to me like that "one-way" penalty gave user Faustian quite a bit of satisfaction (quote): "...it is unfortunate to see that after his block he persists in this on his talk page." Really, my own talk page? Poeticbent talk 17:29, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

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Literature and poetry

I would like to ask you to consider reverting the edit that deleted the famous polish authors and poets from the Literature section! It doesn't matter if it overflows, or is not aesthetic, it is still a VITAL part of the article. The table has to be included and not replaced with just Adam Mickiewicz. If you believe that the table was too large, you can definitely reduce the number of people in it ;).

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  • Please reply to my post at the article talk page, thanks. Poeticbent talk 04:59, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

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Battle of Trebia

Hi Poeticbent. I edited the Battle of Trebia category pictures because the category contained maps from the 218 BC battle and pictures from the 1799 battle. I believed I was being helpful by moving the pictures to a new category. I also removed the Napoleonic Wars category because that conflict generally covers 1805-1815. I see that you quickly reverted all my edits. This issue is not that important to me so I will let you deal with the situation. BTW: Thanks for adding the 3rd day picture to the Battle of Trebbia (1799) article. I put it in an appropriate place in the text. Djmaschek (talk) 06:25, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Hi, User:Djmaschek. I left you a note at my talk page in Commons which you probably didn't read yet.[7] Everything has been taken care of. The new Commons:Category:Battle of Trebbia (1799) has been created, and the request for renaming placed at Commons:Category:Battle of Trebia to signify the difference. Thanks, Poeticbent talk 16:05, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

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Commandants

Would you be so kind as to create an equivalent Category:Nazi concentration camp commandants on the Polish Wikipedia? I just don't know Polish so I don't know how it would be titled. Once it is created, I could populate it. - Hoops gza (talk) 23:00, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi, Hoops gza. There's a Category:Nazi concentration camp personnel in Polish Wikipedia under pl:Kategoria:Członkowie załóg obozów hitlerowskich with two dozen subcats for each Nazi camp separately. There's also an article (not a category) with a huge table list of commandants with dates of service under pl:KZ-Kommandant, which we don't have ... even though the German Wikipedia does have it also under de:KZ-Kommandant. I wonder, can we link these existing articles with our own category in lieu of an actual list? Poeticbent talk 23:26, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Please correct me if I misunderstand, I believe you're asking me if it's possible to link the Polish and German articles with the English category through Wikidata? Technically, yes, it is possible. But I don't think we're supposed to do that. We're supposed to link categories with equivalent categories, and articles with equivalent articles. There is already a German category (de:Kategorie:NS-Lagerkommandant), as well as the aforementioned English one, and a Spanish one and Persian one. In reality, there is also a French one, which I have been having trouble linking through the Wikidata, but I should get that to work eventually. Now that I see what the title is on the Polish wiki (KZ Kommandant), I will be able to pursue this on my own. Truth be told I could have figured this out on my own, but I was not adamant enough in looking for it. This is a category that does not require re-categorization, only the addition of the category. Therefore, I do not need help categorizing the articles on the Polish wiki. Thanks for your help. - Hoops gza (talk) 23:36, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Oh, you're also asking me why we don't have an actual list on the English wiki? I don't know. It would be easy to make. Perhaps I will look into that. - Hoops gza (talk) 23:39, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

OK, I think I've got the French category linked properly now. Now I will create the Polish one. - Hoops gza (talk) 23:43, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Are you sure that the Polish category would be titled "KZ-Kommandant" and not spell out the meaning of it, like the other categories do? - Hoops gza (talk) 23:47, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks very much. I'm sorry if I was rude. - Hoops gza (talk) 03:55, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

No sweat. Poeticbent talk 03:58, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Sigh, I'm sorry to bother you again, but I forgot that I am not an auto-confirmed user on the Polish Wikipedia. Therefore, each of my edits has to be accepted by a reviewer. So, your help in adding the articles to this category would be greatly appreciated since we would skip that process, a process which potentially could result in losing articles that belong in the category. - Hoops gza (talk) 04:40, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

  • Hi, Hoops gza. I am going to populate that category for you. Please wait till tomorrow cause I'm in the middle of something. Poeticbent talk 05:16, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for doing this. I have just added a bunch of articles to the Polish category, which need to be accepted. - Hoops gza (talk) 01:46, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

  • Hi, Hoops gza. I went there and accepted the overwhelming majority of your edits, with the notable exception of men who were not the actual commandants but guard leaders etc. I did not check the citations though, but only the body of each article. So, if the bodytext didn't include the phrase 'commandant of concentration camp' I left your edits unchecked. You can look at your edit history to see who they were. Also, I did not examin edits by other users, so for example I left Amon Göth unconfirmed simply because earlier changes to copytext from before you still await approval. Thanks, Poeticbent talk 03:23, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks as always. - Hoops gza (talk) 03:32, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Article

Great article on the ghetto -- but I noticed that you both created the article and rated it yourself for the various wikiprojects. I had thought we were not supposed to rate the article we ourselves created -- is that not correct? --Epeefleche (talk) 07:48, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the good word. As far as ratings (especially below the B level), we have guidelines to follow which are straight forward, and include infoboxes, references, images, sections etc. This is like building a car; either it is a buggy, a sedan or a truck... I see no conflict in the actual vehicle manufacturer stating what it is. Poeticbent talk 14:27, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
It was a fine job, and I found it interesting. As to the ratings ... I often think that about ratings also -- as well as AfDs, for that matter -- only to learn that (for whatever reason) others think differently. Perhaps its more akin to the vehicle driver stating whether or not he is inebriated, per the straightforward local inebriation standards. The conflict comes not from how straightforward the rule is, but from one rating one's own work. Plus -- I think it is often beneficial to let someone from a wikiproject come and rate it ... they have interest in the project, and at times improve my articles. --Epeefleche (talk) 02:51, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
Good point. Poeticbent talk 03:06, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
BTW ... case in point that just came up ... I would have given an article I just worked on a "B", but another editor saw it differently ... here. Epeefleche (talk) 16:30, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
Hi, Epeefleche. You're correct about the actual level of development there, but the WP:BCLASS is a different ballgame. – The WP:B criteria are numbered from one to six, and require individual analysis according to the assessment scheme. The C class, in actuality, is the highest level of development before any labour-intensive B class review takes place. Only the C class ... and anything below that, is quick and easy. In fact, all low-level ratings beginning with the so-called stubs above 1000 characters of prose, are deeply POVed and constitute fly-by tagging in my view. Most real encyclopedias have virtual millions of such entries as perfectly normal. Poeticbent talk 17:54, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
Interesting thoughts. By the latest developments on that page, I guess it's a lesser concern than behavioral ones impacting the page and its DYK nomination. Epeefleche (talk) 21:13, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

National Independence Day in Poland

Hi Poeticbent. You've changed the Poland's National Independence Day page recently, removing some of my edits and added some yours. You proposed creating new pages instead, too.

Meanwhile, please pay attention to the citation when you're editing. You changed some of the sentences and left cited sources the same, which don't correspond now. This applies to the last paragraph but also to the number of the participants of the Razem dla Niepodległej march. None of the links say about the number 50.000, that number is an estimation of a different march.

Also, you removed links to the official website of the Marsz Niepodległości (which is officially registered) and also TV Trwam (with over 2h long video coverage of the event from the organizers POV), stating those was militant/partisan. Because The Army of the Patriots was theme title of the 2014 edition, I believe it not only looks like a child-play of yours, but rather you don't let the offended site (which doesn't associate with the riots) to defense at all.

Anyway, I agree with your opinion that either of the marches should have their own sites, so the NI day article doesn't carry any political agenda.

I look forward to a good cooperation. Thanks, and correct me if I'm wrong, rybdar --Rybdar (talk) 17:53, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

  • The Independence Day article describes the circumstances leading to the independence of Poland, not the 21st century street fights with police by the lunatic fringe. Separate article is necessary. However, no wp:primary sources can be used in the creation of such article, i.e.: the webpages run by organizers of those street fights. Poeticbent talk 16:58, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Thanks for editing some of the things mentioned. You're right about keeping the main topic through the article, I extended the thing too much. But - you're still deliberately forcing your POV, when you claim the organizers are responsible or even they de facto planned the street fights. You also seem to misinform the reader that the march hadn't been registered. This is making criminals of the people Poeticbent, the associations wasn't disbanded nor even accused of such things. Also please note that primary source may be used, because nothing was interpreted there and secondary sources existed - that's fine with the policy. --Rybdar (talk) 18:06, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
If you wish to continue with this timely exchange, first, you've got to ease up on your verbiage, quite seriously. – The only thing that can draw my interest here right now is the article itself, not the outcome of the sockpuppet investigation. Poeticbent talk 18:34, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Blue Police

There is a list of people (in raport Stroopa) who died fighting against the Jews in Warsaw ghetto. I have seen a number of BP men there. Xx234 (talk) 07:22, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi, Xx234. Can you give me a link to something I can read please? What number? There were lunatic fringes on either side of the war. Ultimately, we would need a reliable third-party source to take it into consideration in our encyclopedia. Poeticbent talk 13:16, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
1. http://ipn.gov.pl/config/home-do-pobrania/raport-jurgena-stroopa-w-wersji-cyfrowej Xx234 (talk) 13:24, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
2. http://niniwa22.cba.pl/brudne_odcienie_granatu.htm Xx234 (talk) 13:30, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. I just finished going over the first 100 pages of the Raport Jürgena Stroopa (42.6 MB) from IPN, which took me an hour-and-a-half. I will continue with it, but my overall impression is that you need to be more precise. Even Stroop himself makes a clear distinction between the so-called fighting force (siły biorące udział w akcji) and supplementary local police force (siły blokujące). Obviously, he is a hostile witness and his "Report" is a first-party Nazi source nevertheless, he confirms that Polska Policja was a civil guard, not a fighting force. On 27.4.1943 some of the constables were arrested along with the "Polish bandits" because they did not report what they knew about their hiding place. Meanwhile, the German historian of Polish background Bogdan Musial also confirms the same already known fact in his brief article you quote (though without any supplementary material) that Polscy policjanci zapewniali gettom jedynie ochronę zewnętrzną. This is a dead horse. Our own article about the Blue Police already says that, including mention of their profligacy. Poeticbent talk 16:06, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
If the policemen died attacking or blocking doesn't change much. BTW - I knew only the original report and found the IPN edition only yesterday.
Musiał returned to Poland so he isn't exactly "German".Xx234 (talk) 07:12, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
I don't know the subject so I have witten you instead to edit the article.Xx234 (talk) 07:53, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
I appreciate your trust in my abilities, but how would you like me to edit the article? "Siły blokujące" was an expression used by Stoop ... That's not good enough. The police was at the ghetto perimeter, we already know that from multitude of scientific sources. Please read our article again to see what exactly could be changed to include notable facts from BP history in that period. Thanks, Poeticbent talk 08:06, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

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Joe Cocker article

Although I know it was well intended, as an experienced editor you ought to already know that external links should not be added in this way in the body of articles. I was going to revert your edit but someone else beat me to it. Best wishes, Afterwriting (talk) 04:42, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi, Afterwriting, I understand the knee-jerk reaction to press the button and I'm not going to fight it, but in actuality, that little bit of of info is quite essential for the real understanding of his future career, because Cocker later stopped lip-syncing altogether. Poeticbent talk 04:50, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
It wasn't the information itself that was a problem (at least not for me). It was the way it was included. External links are not normally included with text in articles ~ in references or in the external links section is usually okay. Cheers, Afterwriting (talk) 04:58, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
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