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Picture of Titanic wreck

Hi, I understand, that you have added the picture of the Titanic wreck. Now I discovered, that the picture is obviously mirror-inverted. A documatation on German TV shows a video sequence of the wreck's bow (43:49-44:00), from which the image is obviously taken, but it is clearly side-inverted. What to do now? FHessel (talk) 14:32, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Global warming controversy

Hi, the removed graph in the Global warming controversy article did not add any value to the article but was simply repeating what was already said in the text. In this context it pretty much looks like a piece of propaganda, so why keeping it in the article? Will remove it. cheers--Czalex 17:22, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

I didn't produce the graph or add it to the article, so I don't really have a view on it, but I'll copy your comments to Talk:Global warming controversy so that other editors can give their view. Prioryman (talk) 21:07, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

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Fortress of Mimoyecques

Well done, I've passed the article. There are a couple small issues with refs that should be cleared up soon though, I left a note on the GA review. Good work! Mark Arsten (talk) 17:10, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Gibraltar National Day

Yes it's our National Day, and what a day it's been! :D --Gibmetal 77^{talk 2 me} 22:13, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Ah, congratulations! I noticed that one of the Olympic or Paralympic Team GB athletes was waving a Gibraltarian flag, too. Prioryman (talk) 22:38, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

File:Cabinet war rooms.jpg

Hi! Is the {{GFDL-with-disclaimers}} tag valid here? I see that it wasn't added by you but by a different user. --Stefan2 (talk) 09:09, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

I wasn't aware of that but I don't have any objection to the use of that tag. Does it need to be migrated to a different tag or something? Prioryman (talk) 12:22, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

I moved over the file to Commons at File:Cabinet War Rooms.jpg. I forgot about one thing: files licensed as GFDL before 2008 (or so) were automatically relicensed ("migrated") from GFDL to CC-BY-SA at some point. I am not sure if the above confirmation of the licence means that the file was licensed as GFDL in 2004 or if it means that it was licensed as such today, so I set the file to "migration=review" on Commons. If you approve relicensing, could you click here and change "migration=review" to "migration=relicense"? If you don't approve relicensing, please change it to "migration=ineligible" instead.

There is also the "subject to disclaimers" part. If you don't mind removing the disclaimer, you could also change "GFDL-en" into a plain "GFDL". I'm not sure if you've heard of the GFDL disclaimer issue, but in a nutshell, someone made the mistake of adding the words "Subject to disclaimer" to the GFDL template a few years ago. See WP:FIXGFDL if you are interested in the background. --Stefan2 (talk) 17:49, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Suggestion

Hi Prioryman, just a suggestion--feel free to disregard/ignore, but I'd recommend that you stop posting on Jimbo's talk page about the current Gibraltar business (and other topics related to Wikipediocracy). There are a lot of trolls and socks running around, and it's probably best to avoid them. If you continue to discuss the issue, please avoid comments like this, whether accurate or not, probably won't lead to a change of behavior on the other user's part. Mark Arsten (talk) 22:24, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

What do you suggest doing about the socks? They're pretty obvious, aren't they? Prioryman (talk) 22:48, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

I'd just ping an admin about it and ask them to take action. I don't have much experience dealing with sock-blocks, I think Dennis Brown is good with that. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:32, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

for sorting out the Finnish lady Victuallers (talk) 19:20, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

No problem, though there doesn't seem to have been any reply yet... Prioryman (talk) 19:22, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Trip to Gibraltar

I am sorry, but this is not going to go away. Please answer the questions from Cla68: ".have you received any renumeration from any organizations associated with Gibraltar, including paid trips to Gibraltar? If so, were any of them given to you by the WMUK itself, such as a micro-grant, or from any people holding a formal position in the WMUK organization? "

Those are very relevant questions, methinks, Cheers, Huldra (talk) 21:47, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

It's no business of his - and as he knows full well, I've told him before that he's not welcome on my talk page - but I'll drop you an email. Prioryman (talk) 21:50, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I did not know you had told him he was not welcome on your talk-page. Alas, the questions have a "public" interest, so I would appreciate a "public" answer, say here? Cheers, Huldra (talk) 22:03, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

THE museum

I nom'd the Penis Museum article at WP:TFAR. PumpkinSky talk 23:56, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Salted?

You don't know what salting even means, do you? You might also want to read up on Wikipedia's conflict of interest standards.

best, —Tim //// Carrite (talk) 01:46, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

WP:CIVIL, please. (It may also be polite to provide diff links for clarity when following up with a user). —Sladen (talk) 07:51, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

You are right, I should have helped this user learn rather than upbraid him for the seeming lack of knowledge shown in his message on my talk page:

WP:SALT- "Creation protection

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While you might be right in principle, in practice there is no chance of an article on this topic being anything other than an attack page on a relatively non-notable individual, simply because of the way he's become a hate figure for the sociopathic freak show of which you're a part. The salted article was, after all, created by a Wikipediocracy sockpuppet. Prioryman (talk) 21:01, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

• that is not true. i created the "attack article", and am permabanned at Wikipediocracy. :P 67.174.52.134 (talk) 19:59, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Can't help but find it ironic that you resort to grossly incivil personal attacks ("sociopathic freak show of which you're a part") in a thread which more or less begins with someone linking to WP:CIVIL. Volunteer Marek  19:33, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Well, since Wikipediocracy and its unlamented predecessor were founded and are used mostly by disgruntled editors or those too stupid, fanatical or obnoxious to make it as editors here, I think I'm entitled to disparage it. It's certainly not worthy of any respect given the malicious behaviour of many of its members. Prioryman (talk) 21:26, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Actually you'd be much worse off without WO's input. --KlickitatGlacier (talk) 21:50, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

I think we'd be much better off if everyone with a WO account was banned from Wikipedia. Remind me, which banned user are you, again? Prioryman (talk) 22:06, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Remind me, which banned user are you, again? - I could probably find out for you, using all my connections and stuff ... if you can hook me up with that free trip to Gibraltar. Volunteer Marek  01:16, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

You've got just as much chance of a free trip as anyone else, if you win the Gibraltar Challenge through your contributions to the project. Since I'll already have been to Gibraltar by the time the challenge concludes, I don't have much interest in the free trip prize. Prioryman (talk) 07:45, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Meanwhile some of the "sociopathic freak show" seem to be pondering travel plans that don't include Gibraltar. "It just makes me want to fly to London, get a box-cutter, and start slitting nerdy little throats", says one of that website's "Global Moderators" (it seems they like pompous little titles as much as anyone else). Lovely. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 16:55, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Talk page

Pls visit my talk page again. Important msg there.PumpkinSky talk 03:00, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Bristol Hotel

Hi, can somebody in Gibraltar please photograph Bristol Hotel, Gibraltar in daylight and also try to enter its lobby and restaurant or whatever and take some photos. Badly needs photographs.♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:45, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

I'm not there now, but I'll try to do it when I visit in a couple of weeks' time. Prioryman (talk) 10:49, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

I've also spoken to User talk:Cbl62...♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:24, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Gibraltarpedia

I am trying to maintain balance in the article during a contentious time. I realize that you and others on both sides have strongly held views on the controversy. You have expressed those views clearly in various discussions, including your view that the controversy is wholly unfounded. Given that some have raised questions about payment for your own travel to Gibraltar, I can understand that the issue might engender strong feelings on your part. None of that means I believe you are acting in bad faith. To the contrary, I believe your views are sincerely held. If you do choose to continue to edit the page, I trust that you can put your personal views aside. Bedtime in my part of the world. Drop me a note if you'd like to discuss further. Cheers. Cbl62 (talk) 10:29, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Don't put your reliance on the lies and bullshit that some have propagated about my own travel there. I will have more to say on that in due course, as I intend to call out a number of people as liars and bullshit artists. Prioryman (talk) 10:33, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

It would go far towards making things open and clear if you would just answer the questions (whatever they are) rather than using the answers only as a means towards an end (e.g., calling out a number of people for this and that).

I don't think you have any financial stake in this stuff at all, but you are friends (or at least "close acquaintances") with the little group that worked to set up GibraltarpediA, so you do at least have some sort of stake in it. I think "Cbl62" was commenting on the impression that you are involved rather than the quality of your edits, so perhaps you might try to throttle back a bit.

If your opinion at base is that this is to a large extent a tempest in a tea pot, we actually agree there. FWIW, I think the issue here has to do with people in a small(-ish) group not taking time to step back and try to see what people outside the group would see (which is a nice (or perhaps NPOV?) way to say "groupthink"). However, I don't think you're helping to diffuse the issue, because you're defending the personalities rather than the ideas. I hope that makes a bit of sense. --SB_Johnny | ^talk✌ 21:38, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Well, the end I have in mind is exposing groupthink - not here but in Wikipediocracy, which has a deeply sick culture that is plainly starting to poison Wikipedia as well. This ridiculous affair also exposes the disfunctionality of a chunk of the Wikipedia community. Gibraltarpedia was heavily advertised to the community (not least by a keynote at Wikimania), personally supported by Jimbo and publicised externally in the media. The people in the group did try to think what people outside would think, and they clearly had no expectation that it would be treated any differently from Monmouthpedia or the British Museum collaboration - which involved prizes, consultancy advice, editor training and government involvement. Nothing about Gibraltarpedia is novel. And yet some people - including editors who should and do know better - are acting as if it was the end of the world, or at least of the wiki. Prioryman (talk) 22:05, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

What was novel was that the project was openly described in the press as "marketing Gibraltar as a tourist product through Wikipedia", and that a WMUK trustee had a personal financial stake in the project (as well as personal ownership of the QRpedia website linked to by the plaques). JN466 22:41, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

As I recall, the same circumstances applied to Monmouthpedia and everyone thought that was a resounding success. Gibraltarpedia is hardly responsible for what others say about it, and I don't see anything particularly objectionable about the statement you quote. If greater public awareness of Gibraltar inspires more people to visit, that's no bad thing. Well-written Wikipedia articles about interesting places should inspire people. The only "personal financial stake in the project" concerns Victuallers' contract to advise on it and train new editors. Whether it's a success or a failure is entirely immaterial to the probably quite small fee he's getting for his consultancy work. The Government of Gibraltar's financial contribution is only directed towards getting the process underway, rather that obtaining a specific outcome. Prioryman (talk) 23:06, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

I believe Monmouthpedia started without a consultancy contract, but at some point halfway through the project there was some agreement on compensation as Roger had put himself out. And it was not sold as a recipe for promoting tourism at the time: people expressed a hope there might be more tourism and investment as a result of the project, but it wasn't a case of "Look here, this is what you have to do to get cheap PR for your town. Use Wikipedia!". It was more innocent. The moment it became a business following an established business model, it wasn't appropriate for a WMUK trustee to engage in it, and to get involved as an editor in DYK placements on the main page. (No one here is criticising John Cummings, for example.) That's just how it is. Regards. JN466 21:33, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Jayen - As you may know I did offer my resignation over my declared COI and that has now been accepted. I have agreed not to get involved with Gibraltar related DYKs. Apart from that, I do agree with Prioryman (although questioning his motives does not AGF). I have voluntarily declared all my COI as required. There are no errors in this document. I've never met Prioryman (aplogies if I have forgotten!) and I dont owe him a favour. But if I meet either of you then I'd offer to buy you a drink. Victuallers (talk) 00:02, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

I think we have met, most likely at one of the BM events. As for the drink, I might take you up on that offer, but as for Jayen, my reaction would be to empty it over his head - if that wasn't such a waste. :-) Prioryman (talk) 00:11, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Please see Talk:Gibraltarpedia#Sockpuppet_allegations_in_revert_rationales where I recommend that you stay away from the Gibraltarpedia article at least. You're making mistakes and not making corrections. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 11:18, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

La Coupole FAC

Hi, I've somewhat belatedly replied to your comments in the La Coupole FAC. Sorry for not doing so sooner - I saw you'd responded on the weekend, but got distracted and only remembered about it today. On an unrelated topic, I completely agree with your comments about Wikipediocracy above. Regards, Nick-D (talk) 10:57, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you

For your AGF - its most sustaining Victuallers (talk) 23:47, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

No problem. You might not be aware, but I actually founded WikiProject Gibraltar way back in 2007, so I'm naturally supportive of Gibraltarpedia. Will you still be in Gib the weekend after next? Prioryman (talk) 23:57, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Oh I didnt know that - At the moment I'm just hoping the people who want to create a wiki-city are allowed to. As you may know John Cummings is out there for 2 months at least so he will buy you a beer if I can't. We had a meeting with the Director of Educ. and he's agreed to try and include lessons on Wiki in both 2ndary schools. We are also talking about free wifi. I'm told that the Gibraltar project was getting a new article a month and its now running at at least 100 times that rate. We are getting new editors and we have people working across languages. Somehow that doesnt appear to be important...but it should be. I'm meant to be looking after that kind of stuff but getting distracted here. Are you a "Friend of Gibraltar"? I'm told there are 300 people who may be budding wikipedians.... Victuallers (talk) 00:10, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

It all sounds very encouraging - well done. I'll drop John a line to see if he's around for a drink. Prioryman (talk) 17:21, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

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Not canvassed

Just deserved - thanks on behalf of the project Victuallers (talk) 06:23, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Wikimedia Medicine

Can I point out the current discussion at the top of User talk:Iridescent? We're forming a new m:Thematic organization and this is one of the pre-incorporation discussions. One concern raised is the potential for undue influence from pharmaceutical companies and quackery, so I was wondering if you might be interested in commenting, or at least keeping an eye on things. --Anthonyhcole (talk) 03:22, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Edward Davenport

Hi there. Thanks for your explanation on my talk page. I am surprised that BLP doesn't make more effort to be more respectful to living persons, and I had thought that the bracketed words was mainly there to distinguish between other articles with the same title. Given that Edward Davenport has been associated with Portland Place for longer than he has been associated with fraud, it seemed to make more sense to use that as a way to distinguish which Edward Davenport the article related to, plus being more respectful also. --Rebroad (talk) 12:42, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Well, BLP isn't really about respect, it's about accuracy and good sourcing. It may not be "respectful" to refer to someone as a war criminal or a paedophile or for that matter a fraudster, but if that's what a court of law has judged them to be, it's an accurate description. There are multiple Edward Davenports so some form of disambiguation is needed, and the (fraudster) tag is used to distinguish multiple other individuals who have been convicted of the same offence. As long as it's accurate and sourced, it's okay from a BLP perspective. Prioryman (talk) 18:22, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Meet in Gibraltar

Hi Prioryman

I understand you'll be in Gib later in the week, if you'd like to meet up please email me at john@gibraltarpedia.org

Thanks

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Hi there. Sorry I haven't been in contact with you earlier, I'd love to meet up too. My one year old has just come out of hospital so it may be difficult, but please let me know when you're around so I can try to figure something out. Thanks, --Gibmetal 77^{talk 2 me} 16:32, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

It was great meeting you earlier :)

Could you please remind me what articles you said you'd be writing soon, in case I know of sources you may find helpful? Thanks, --Gibmetal 77^{talk 2 me} 19:45, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes, good to see you too! I intend to fill in the red links on Siege of Gibraltar, do King's Chapel, Gibraltar and another one on Islamic Gibraltar, and in due course finish off History of Gibraltar and nominate that for GA and eventually FA. Prioryman (talk) 07:07, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

That sounds great! Let me know when you get started and I'll help as much as I can. --Gibmetal 77^{talk 2 me} 11:27, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

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Streets in Gibraltar

Started this. Please help improve by finding reliable sources about the roads and photographs.♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:47, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

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La Coupole

I just saw in the Signpost that this article has been promoted - congratulations! Regards, Nick-D (talk) 11:07, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much! There'll be two more FAs to come in the same series - I'll kick off the next one this weekend. Prioryman (talk) 11:40, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

The Jimbo effect

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"The thought that editors could contribute articles about Gibraltar for DYK for free is absurd. They would wake me up before I go-go!"

I saw the comment about what Jimbo said, the Gibraltapedians have been more productive than Jimbo in contributing to the encyclopedia than he has in 11 years!♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:26, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK Gibraltar noms

Just so there is no future misunderstanding. I'm OK helping out getting this current batch passed. It's the right thing to do. But going forward, I think it's healthier if more reviewers get involved. So, once the current batch makes it past the hump, I'm going to step back a little. — Maile (talk) 18:24, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

King's Chapel

Nice start on this article, the photos are great! --Gibmetal 77^{talk 2 me} 11:51, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

picture

You may care to add a request for a picture here https://www.facebook.com/groups/274387425905134/

I'll try other routes too Victuallers (talk) 11:28, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

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DYK for Nun's Well, Gibraltar

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Re: Islamic Gibraltar

Just scanned through the article and it's looking good! I'll have a proper read tomorrow. Will you mind if I edit it while it's still in your userspace?

As for photos of the baths, I think John is on it. If not I'll try via Stewart at the Museum once he's back from honeymoon next month. I've taken some but it's pretty dark in there and focusing is a problem. --Gibmetal 77^{talk 2 me} 23:04, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes, no problem with you editing it - thanks! I'll see what John comes back with. Prioryman (talk) 23:16, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi there. I'm yet to look at this properly but I promise I will! In the meantime, I've noticed you've inadvertently misnamed this image. It is not the Granada Gate (36.144697°N 5.351148°W / 36.144697; -5.351148) which has since been demolished. The gate shown in your photo is a later, probably British breach in the Moorish Castle's wall. Nice wide-angled shots by the way... What lense were you using? --Gibmetal 77^{talk 2 me} 22:25, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Re: Flat Bastion Magazine DYK promotion

Actually, I was aware that multiple Gibraltar hooks were in the prep area. Rosia Water Tanks is tentatively scheduled to run on Tuesday in the 16:00 (UTC) update while Flat Bastion Magazine is in the prep set that should run at 08:00 (UTC) on Wednesday. The placement was done to help prevent Gibraltar hooks from only running at just a single time of day but are instead spread across the two update times when most people in Gibraltar are awake. If you wish to replace Flat Bastion Magazine in Prep 1, please feel free to do so but please do not turn around and place it in the set for 16:00 (UTC) on Wednesday. --Allen3 ^talk 20:53, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Oh, that should be fine. Thanks for the clarification. I'll leave Flat Bastion Magazine alone then. Prioryman (talk) 21:03, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Carteia

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Gibraltar Museum Photos

Sorry for the delay, took some today, have a look here, lots more nice museum ones coming shortly

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Great work John, well done. Prioryman (talk) 18:00, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Cnapan

Thanks for alerting me to that, I think its because of the double authors. Started expanding Aldeby Priory with PD, you might be interested in collaborating.♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:06, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Achilles on Skyros

Thanks for your review, and for not being vindictive about what happened at that road article. I still feel that serious errors in judgment happened there, but it's hardly productive to carry that around to the rest of the encyclopedia, and actions like your positive criticism at Template:Did you know nominations/Achilles on Skyros help me to put it behind me. Fram (talk) 06:41, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Can yu take another look at this DYK? Thanks! Fram (talk) 09:20, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes, no problem - sorry for leaving it so long; I had quite forgotten about it, to be honest. I've sorted it out now. And thanks for your positive comments! Prioryman (talk) 19:17, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Flat Bastion Magazine

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Gibraltar, again

Please see User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#Gibraltar.2C_again. Regards, AndreasKolbe JN466 09:44, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

What do you think?

I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on this, if it interests you. --Anthonyhcole (talk) 12:47, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Warning

Please see WP:OUTING. And don't do it again.  Volunteer Marek  19:10, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm giving you an opportunity to self revert. Volunteer Marek  19:11, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Isn't that what you call yourself on Wikipediocracy? How can it be outing? Prioryman (talk) 19:12, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Now you're just playing stupid - and even if it was true, which you damn well know it isn't, it's still be outing. I'm removing that crap. Volunteer Marek  19:14, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Ah, I was thinking of Wikipedia Review. Prioryman (talk) 19:29, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

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Okay, you've made it clear that you don't want me to refer to you by your WR username. I'll remember that going forward, though I'm still puzzled by why you consider it good to use it when discussing Wikipedia and bad on Wikipedia itself. Prioryman (talk) 19:36, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

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October 2012

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Request reason:

I honestly didn't realise that Volunteer Marek didn't want me to refer to him by his old account name on Wikipedia, which he also used (uses?) on Wikipedia Review. He deleted my comments three times from Wikipedia talk:Did you know with no explanation (and was reverted by another editor) - see [2] When he explained here that he didn't want to be referred to by his old username I said that I accepted it and would remember it going forward (as above). I made no attempt to restore my original comments on WT:DYK, which someone else had refactored by then. I accept that I erred in posting a (non-functional, as the website has been taken down) link to his Wikipedia Review profile, and I apologise to him for doing that, which I did not to try to out him but to prove to him that I was telling the truth about him using that username on WR. Incidentally, Darkness Shines has just posted something from WP:OUTING: "It also applies in the case of an editor who has requested a change in username, but whose old identifying marks can still be found." I wasn't aware of that; I've always thought of him by his old username, as I came across him by that name in Eastern European topics (where I've been active as an editor). If someone has voluntarily disclosed their personal name then I try to use that as it's friendlier (Andreas for JN466, Anne for ACP2011, Roger for Victuallers and so on). Consider me informed now... Prioryman (talk) 19:53, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Accept reason:

Per combination of understanding the link was probably a bad idea, and per the fact that he had already outed himself as far as the name. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 20:20, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, Dennis. Prioryman (talk) 20:21, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Based on VM's comments at ANI, I strongly suggest you avoid linking accounts like that again, even if they were previously linked, if only because misunderstanding can happen so easily. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 20:25, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

If they were previously linked, then that's not outing. That's specifically acknowledged in the outing rules. Furthermore, it would be one thing if this was actual personal information, but it's not. I would have referred to him by that old name as well, myself, if I ever really spoke to him. Silverseren^C 23:48, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Topics left?

Hey, I want to write an article on Gibraltar. What subjects are left to write about? Silverseren^C 23:50, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Still quite a few! Try filling in the red links on Siege of Gibraltar for some low-hanging fruit. Prioryman (talk) 23:54, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Robert William Prescott

Yngvadottir (talk) 00:02, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Gibraltarmania

I vaguely saw there was a flap about this. I was following a thread that started with Dr. Blofeld asking for input on Flat Bastion Road, which led to an interest in the fortifications and people who built them. I will fix problems in the articles I started, but am going to stay out of arguments about throttling DYKs related to Gibraltar. The battle of Trafalgar happened long ago. Most people have never heard of it. The Battle of Lepanto seems more important, Stalingrad much more important, if battles matter. Aymatth2 (talk) 00:32, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

"The battle of Trafalgar happened long ago. Most people have never heard of it. The Battle of Lepanto seems more important" ... eh? Are you trying for comic effect, here? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 00:41, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Trafalgar was a significant naval engagement during the Napoleonic wars, but if the outcome had been different there would have been other naval engagements. Europe was not yet dependent on the colonies for essential goods. A few thousand people died. The huge land battles that culminated in Borodino were far more important. Stepping back, the outcome of the Napoleonic wars certainly affected European history, for good or bad, but the coal-fired steam engine had much greater impact. Stepping further back again, the people of China, India, or most other parts of the world would not have heard of the battle at the time, and would glaze over if you attempted to explain its significance today. It was fought a long time ago on the other side of the world between two countries that once had empires, but no more. Aymatth2 (talk) 01:18, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

"Stepping further back again, the people of China, India, or most other parts of the world would not have heard of the battle at the time, and would glaze over if you attempted to explain its significance today" ... you were just saying? Borodino?

By the way, I've spent a little time showing the cream of Asian tourists around some of our greatest monuments... and at the time, I had not even heard of Borodino. Nor, I suspect, had they. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 01:51, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

How about the Battle of Boyacá then? Decisive. I visited the battlefield once and found a monument to the British Legion, high up in the mountains and a long way from home. So many battles... I suppose there is nothing wrong with timing an article on Trafalgar cemetery to appear on the anniversary of the battle, but my guess is that most readers would not notice the coincidence. Aymatth2 (talk) 13:07, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

• This is not a question of either/or. I suppose that even fewer people have heard of the Battle of Lepanto but Chesterton's lines still send a shiver down my spine:

Strong gongs groaning as the guns boom far,
Don John of Austria is going to the war,

I noticed that we didn't have an article about this famous poem so I have started one. "England expects...!"

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The saga continues

Suddenly, my signature no longer works as of a few minutes ago. Has someone tried to throw me out of Wikipedia in addition to DYK? I'm signing manually. Anne ACP2011 (talk · contribs) 24.7.222.55 (talk) 13:55, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Can't find any indication that you are blocked (nor any reason to). Fram (talk) 14:00, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Re: Moorish Gibraltar

Hi Prioryman, a brilliantly well written article; very informative! Sorry to disappoint you with the Granada Gate, or lack thereof! My understanding is it was demolished by the British at the same time they scarped The Rock's northwestern slopes (where Laguna Estate now stands) eliminating this access into the city.

See some of my observations/suggestions below:

• The article mentions the en bec tower which still survives. Although there's nothing wrong with the phrasing, we may want to include that it is one of three surviving Moorish towers - the others been a square based tower further down The Rock's western slopes (fitted with a clock in Victorian times - see here 36.142892°N 5.351548°W / 36.142892; -5.351548) and of course the Tower of Homage.

• It would be incorrect to refer to the inhabitants of Gibraltar at the time as "Moorish Gibraltarians" as the term Gibraltarian was only coined in the 1920s and is now a legal status... I already amended this in the article.

• Gibraltar was recaptured by Castilians for the final time on the feast of St. Bernard and so they made him patron saint of Gibraltar, and remains so to this day. I think this may merit a mention, what do you think?

Regarding the quotes, thank you for informing me as I was unaware this was deprecated. No more italics!

I'll check out the DYK crap, but to be honest I'm getting pretty tired of this... --Gibmetal 77^{talk 2 me} 07:51, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

I know what you mean about the DYK crap... Good idea mentioning the other towers. We need a source for that, though, any suggestions? As for the term Gibraltarians, it seems to have been in use for a lot longer than the 1920s - there are sources using it to refer to people as far back as 1859 [3] and I would guess it's probably older than that. And mentioning St Bernard is a very good idea. I was wondering how he'd become associated with Gibraltar - now I know! Prioryman (talk) 08:00, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

By the way, I came across a rather unusual object in the collection of the National Army Museum... "Two leg bones of Sir John Fraser; tibia and fibula from lower right leg; lost during the Defence of Gibraltar, 1780-1782." Quite the souvenir! Prioryman (talk) 08:21, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Wow, talk about a quirky museum exhibit! That would make an interesting addition to John Fraser (British Army officer). Manage to get any pics?

I've added the clocktower and patron saint with refs to the article. I'd almost forgotten about another surviving Moorish structure, the underground aqueduct that that runs from the Red Sands to Fountain Ramp. I've always heard the moors also built windmills and according to this it seems some were used to pump the water down the aqueduct. I came across this some time ago and found Vallejo's claim regarding Gibraltar's etymology very interesting... He seems to believe Gib was never named after Tariq ibn-Ziyad "as Islamic law forbids the naming of things after people or animals" and that Jabal-ı Tārıq (جبل طارق) actually means "Mountain of the Path". I've not found any evidence of Islamic naming restrictions, nor do I speak Arabic, but I think this is worth investigating as I speak a little Maltese and know that "Triq" means street and so makes me think this is plausible... Want to have a go at finding something on this? --Gibmetal 77^{talk 2 me} 18:29, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

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DYK for Trafalgar Cemetery

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:02, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Trafalgar Cemetery photos

Some photos of the Trafalgar Cemetery Parade are up, more coming tomorrow. Mrjohncummings (talk) 21:27, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Muhlenbergia pungens

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It is still copy and paste even if you cleverly copy and paste a string of sources together. Please summarize the material, and please correct the unsupported material the one line you actually summarized instead of plagiarizing is wrong! Fjozk (talk) 01:17, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK for St Albans Hoard

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DYK Reviews

Am I allowed to review DYK nominations for Gibraltar? Or will my reviews be deemed unworthy because of my involvement? Thank you. Anne (talk) 14:40, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi Anne, of course you're allowed to review nominations. The rules explicitly allow one (but no more than one) review to be by a Gibraltarpedia contributor. Prioryman (talk) 18:15, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	For your efforts on Gibraltar articles and efforts to validate articles. ♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 18:59, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

An award from us (and the signpost :-) )

		The Signpost Barnstar
		This month the Signpost said that the Gibraltar project was a " ludicrously productive GLAM project". Thank you for helping us with that achievement. We have got behind with the barnstars so this is one to say thank you for helping. Gibraltarpedia.org is now showing the list of about 100 plaques - do take a look and see the languages we will be featuring.Victuallers (talk) 22:02, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Lanczos tensor

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Gibraltar

Cheers, I'll put it on the list. Cloudbound (talk) 00:10, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK for José Cruz Herrera

Yngvadottir (talk) 16:03, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Ward Bennett

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Thanks, I've resolved it. Prioryman (talk) 20:41, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Going on a hunt

Good evening. Just found out that it's you who's interested in doing an article on the Calpe Hunt. I'm about 80% done with the Calpe Hunt I started a few weeks ago. (Although I'm planning on changing it to Royal Calpe Hunt.) I still have to fill in some details, including figuring out when it changed from the Calpe Hunt to the Royal Calpe Hunt, etc., and clean it up. If you and Gibmetal77 want to take the lead on the Fortifications of Gibraltar article, I'll make summaries of each of the articles that I've written and plug them into the big article for you. Anne (talk) 23:28, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

That's splendid, well done. I'm happy to take the lead on Fortifications of Gibraltar. I've asked John (who's still out in Gib) to take some photos of the museum's displays of hunt memorabilia and a map they have that shows the area (it's surprisingly large) in which they hunted.

By the way, the Bad Faith Brigade is mounting yet another push to stop Gib-related DYKs (plus anything to do with southern Spain and northern Morocco). See Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Gibraltar hooks RfC. Once again this means that your DYKs, principally, are being targeted. I'm sure you'll have some views on that. Prioryman (talk) 23:38, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

I left a message on Anne's page about this but not sure you saw it. Have you seen this? I was hoping to make it an overview article as summarising every single fortification article will just be too much me thinks... Your thoughts? --Gibmetal 77^{talk 2 me} 00:35, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK for George W. Bush Street

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:02, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Tibúrcio Spannocchi

Hi Prioryman - Finished up the review. It's good to go. Thx. --Rosiestep (talk) 02:05, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you! Prioryman (talk) 07:10, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Main Guard

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hi - please don't edit my posts - report them wherever you like - raise them but do not edit them - I will consider such edits of my posts as vandalism moving forward - 22:35, 26 October 2012 (UTC)Youreallycan

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DYK for Ward Bennett

Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Tibúrcio Spannocchi

Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Cala Arenas

The DYK project (nominate) 16:03, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Ya`fūr

Bareback riding is a form of horseback riding without a saddle. I was merely attempting to convey this using the appropriate term. Ankh.Morpork 19:26, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

I had no idea - I thought it was a sexual term. Is that where it comes from? Sorry about the confusion. Prioryman (talk) 19:27, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

According to the ever-wise Wikipedia, the sexual term "comes from the equestrian term bareback, which refers to the practice of riding a horse without a saddle." Ankh.Morpork 19:31, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, inventive. Anyway, I've reverted my own edit and restored yours. Prioryman (talk) 19:34, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

It's your article, it's up to you, but thanks for clambering down from your high horse so readily, some editors can be quite blinkered at times. Ankh.Morpork 19:43, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

No, I don't mind - after all, I learned something new today. :-) Prioryman (talk) 19:45, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

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DYK for Téviec

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Interaction ban

Hi Prioryman, I just wanted to let you know that I have just closed this ANI discussion. As a result of it, you are now banned from interacting with Youreallycan (talk · contribs). Salvio ^{Let's talk about it!} 17:40, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Jolly good, thanks for letting me know. Prioryman (talk) 17:54, 31 October 2012 (UTC)