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MassCfD bug report

In creating Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 December 19#Category:Multiple time paths in fiction using MassCfD, concerning the deletion of multiple categories, all of the entries were suffixed with "to undefined". –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 08:44, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

LaundryPizza03,  Fixed. — Qwerfjkltalk 15:33, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Question from Powderuuf (17:14, 19 December 2023)

Hiya! I'm kinda.. entirely new to wikipedia but I wanna contribute! I've formerly contributed to external wikis, however never to a great extent. I kinda wanna get more involved <: --Powderuuf (talk) 17:14, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Powderuuf, it depends what kind of work you want to help with, but have you tried Wikipedia:Task Center? — Qwerfjkltalk 17:16, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Nope! Just found out about task centre, thanks for mentioning it!

My interests are primarily in technology and a few game and other things, I work with a computer repair shop, I have a few interests in more obscure projects and an interest in software. I'm not a developer, but I do holds some systems administrative knowledge <: Powderuuf (talk) 17:25, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Powderuuf, you can always just look at articles you're interested in and try to improve them. There are quite a few things to keep in mind though, so I can be tricky to start off with. — Qwerfjkltalk 17:36, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

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MassCfD bug report

The new option to omit the "Category:" prefix results in the prefix being omitted in the CfD nomination (e.g. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 December 19#X in fiction IV) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:55, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

LaundryPizza03, ah, you mean in the targets. Initially I changed it only for the category being nominated.  Fixed now. — Qwerfjkltalk 12:25, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Qwerfjkl (bot) – PowerLight1 (False positive)

The BOT notified bare URL & missing title, however it is false positive as citations have title to it.

Page: Bright Vachirawit Chivaaree discography

Diff: Special:Diff/1188440612 Link: Bright Vachirawit Chivaaree discography

Comment/question: Request you to remove this false alarm by BOT PowerLight1 (talk) 10:47, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

PowerLight1, you seems to have added some badly malformed references, which among other problems don't have titles. — Qwerfjkltalk 10:52, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi, I have made only minor edits in the article, added latest works. Whether am I liable for all references which are added? However, I could relook on my edits and links which I have added. Pls reconsider it PowerLight1 (talk) 11:07, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

PowerLight1, in this edit you added:

<ref>{{웹 인용|url=http://www.siamzone.com/ig/m/3219908569044861435|제목=IG ไบร์ท - วชิรวิชญ์ ชีวอารี Octopop 2023|언어=th|확인날짜=2023-12-05}}</ref>

and

<ref>{{웹 인용|url=https://www.mediacorp.sg/yes933hitsfest/lineup|제목=YES 933 HITS FEST 2023 YES 933 潮流音乐盛典 2023 - Line Up Preview (old)|언어=en|확인날짜=2023-12-05}}</ref>

— Qwerfjkltalk 11:10, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for educating me, will look into the same immediately. I have understand the issue now PowerLight1 (talk) 11:14, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

This is already corrected to english long back. Pls relook on this again. |OctoPop 2023

|-

|Yes 99 Hits Festival

|Various artists

|

|-

|Gulf Phenomenon

|Gulf Kanawut Traipipattanapong, F. Hero & Bright

|

|-

|Home Party Event

|Bright & bands

| PowerLight1 (talk) 11:31, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

PowerLight1, yes, the problem is now fixed. — Qwerfjkltalk 11:35, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi, The edit correction was made on 5th December by admin within few mins, leaving no scope for me to correct my inappropriate link attachment. Request you to reconsider the tag PowerLight1 (talk) 13:47, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

PowerLight1, the bot notified you 15 minutes after you made the edit, before it was fixed. — Qwerfjkltalk 15:21, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi, I winded up for that day, only to login after few days. Hence missed on this notifications. I'm not active on wiki, as I'm still new. Please reconsider. PowerLight1 (talk) 15:29, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

PowerLight1, there is no issue. You can ignore the bot's notification. — Qwerfjkltalk 15:42, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Question from Expartrobin (13:09, 23 December 2023)

Hello sir I have question want i fix grammar mistakes than Wikipedia not block me when I will add important external links for article than Wikipedia block me so can you help to suggest me it is not important when I will not any external links. I am waiting for your reply ❤️... --Expartrobin (talk) 13:09, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) I have reverted Expartrobin's grammar changes, which seemed based on a misunderstanding, and written to them on their page. Expartrobin, I hope your response there means that you accept what I say, and will not continue to make that kind of change? Considering the rather incorrect English in your post above, which is quite hard to understand, I don't think "grammar corrections" are the kind of thing you should be doing here. Bishonen | tålk 16:33, 23 December 2023 (UTC).

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Question from Ravilance (12:24, 24 December 2023)

When will the article be visible in Google Search? This will be a living article/info page for the moment. --Ravilance (talk) 12:24, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Ravilance, I'm unsure what article you're referring to, but it will show up in Google searches when it is reviewed by the Wikipedia:New Page Patrol, or after 90 days, whichever happens first. — Qwerfjkltalk 13:37, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Template:Get short description

You created this template, and I'm ignorant about template coding, so you seem to be the person to ask about this problem. In addition to the short description, the template seems to be calling any geographical coordinates that appear in the title position in an article, so that when there are several uses of the template for location articles on a single page (as at User:Andy02124), the page pops up in Category:Pages with malformed coordinate tags as a page trying to display multiple sets of coordinates in the title position. Is there some way that the template could ignore the coordinates when displaying the short description? Deor (talk) 22:47, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Deor, I'm aware the template also transcludes categories from the target page. I have no idea how to fix it, unfortunately. — Qwerfjkltalk 08:56, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing this out. I checked Page information on my user page which listed the default sort key as "Sigmund Spaeth" and the local description as "Former department store in Boston, Massachusetts" (which I am not, as far as I know).

I've removed the template but, out of curiosity, how would I view the code? Andy02124 (talk) 13:38, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Andy02124, at Module:Get short description. — Qwerfjkltalk 13:48, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. Andy02124 (talk) 14:07, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

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Logged-out bot?

Hi, you might want to take a look at (Redacted). I've temporarily soft-blocked the IP. Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:29, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

HJ Mitchell, yeah, I got logged out when running the bot. Could you revdel the edits, please? — Qwerfjkltalk 18:31, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Sure, done. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:36, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

HJ Mitchell, thanks a bunch. Happy holidays! — Qwerfjkltalk 18:36, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

It seems to have happened again. I've soft blocked your IP for a month so the bot can't edit logged out and suppressed the IP from page histories. Is there a way you can force it to check that it's logged in? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:29, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

HJ Mitchell, not really, no. It's because I'm running the bot from my browser, so when the bot gets logged out, the IP gets used instead. It shouldn't be a problem after I finish this bot task. — Qwerfjkltalk 12:34, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Scripts++ Newsletter – Issue 23

New year, new scripts. Welcome to the 23rd issue of the Wikipedia Scripts++ Newsletter, covering around 39% of our favorite new and updated user scripts since 24 December 2021. That’s right, we haven’t published in two years! Can you believe it? Did you miss us?

Got anything good? Tell us about your new, improved, old, or messed-up script here!

Featured script

RefRenamer by Nardog is this issue's featured script. For whatever reason, the foundation will only give us better reference names in VisualEditor if we wish for it in the next survey. Nardog to the rescue! This script has a ton of options to satisfy almost anyone who wishes to use better refnames than ":0" and ":418".

Updated scripts

• Nardog: MoveHistory can now look up the move history of any page from anywhere on the site.
• User:Enterprisey/diff-permalink now has a version that copies the Special:Diff link with square brackets.
• User:GhostInTheMachine/WatchlistTidy now moves the Active Filters panel to the right so that the Show/Hide button doesn't constantly jump.
• User:Alexander Davronov/HistoryHelper has now become stable with some bugfixes and features such as automatically highlighting potentially uncivil edit summaries and automatically pinging all the users selected.
• Wikipedia:AutoEd/unicodehex.js will no longer replace legacy MediaWiki dot-entities (dot followed by two uppercase alphanumeric characters) in article links, which caused several links to become broken.

Screenshot of RefRenamer, a user script that assists in replacing non-descriptive reference names

Scripts++ Newsletter

Improve a script

• Many of our favorite scripts such as User:Fred Gandt/userResourceManager, User:Guarapiranga/search-shortcuts and User:Bradv/Scripts/Superlinks haven't been updated for Vector 2022. You could be the one to change that!
• User:Elominius/gadget/media timer works, but its UI looks alien. Someone could improve it...
• To a lesser extent, the same goes for User:PrimeHunter/Search sort.js. I wish someone would integrate the sorts into the sort menu instead of adding 11 portlet links.
• We want...

• ...a mark-as-read button for Watchlyst Greybar Unsin
• ...a tool to automatically fix CAT:BROKENREFs, preferably a fork/addition to User:TheJJJunk/ARA
• ...a fix/fork of User:DannyS712/SectionRemover.js to make it work

Requested scripts

• A WP:3O requesting and responding tool, similar to Terasil's classic edit request tool
• A "bytes removed"/"added" filter on the user contribs page
• A review tool for WP:proposed deletions
• Mass patrol new pages by a user for use in WP:RFP/A
• ...and many more, all available at Wikipedia:User scripts/Requests

New scripts

• Aaron Liu: Watchlyst Greybar Unsin is a rewrite of Ais's Watchlist Notifier with modern APIs and several new features such as not displaying watchlist items marked as seen (hence the name), not bolding diffs of unseen watchlist elements which doesn’t work properly anyways, displaying the rendered edit summary, proper display of log and creation actions and more links.
• Alexis Jazz: Factotum is a spiritual successor to reply-link with a host of extra features like section adding, link rewriting, regular expressions and more.
• User:Aveaoz/AutoMobileRedirect: This script will automatically redirect MobileFrontend (en.m.wikipedia) to normal Wikipedia. Unlike existing scripts, this one will actually check if your browser is mobile or not through its secret agent string, so you can stay logged in on mobile! Hooray screen estate!
• Chlod:
  • Deputy is a first-of-its-kind copyright cleanup toolkit. It overrides the interface for Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations for easy case processing. It also includes the functionality of the following (also new) scripts:
    • Attribution Notice Template Editor (ANTE) graphically modifies content attribution notices. It is the successor to User:Chlod/Scripts/CopiedTemplateEditor and supports more templates than {{copied}} ones.
    • Infringement Assistant allows a user to hide sections of a page for suspected copyright violations and report the page to the appropriate Wikipedia:Copyright problems noticeboard.
• User:Elominius/gadget/diff arrow keys allows navigation between diffs with the arrow keys. It also has a version that requires holding Ctrl with the arrow key.
• Enterprisey
  • diff-permalink-2 allows quickly copying wikilinks to diff and permalink pages from those pages, a variation of existing script User:Enterprisey/diff-permalink
  • archiver is a fork of Σ's Archiver with several bugfixes.
  • /parent-cats highlights categories that are a subcategory of a category already included in a page's categories.
• User:Guarapiranga/accessKeysCheatSheet adds an access key shortcut to display all shortcuts based on code provided by Nardog and NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh.
• User:HungKhanh0106/ProperDisplay loads a bunch of fonts to add correct rendering supports for "esoteric" languages.
• User:Jeeputer/highlightPiped will make piped links irresistible (or else).
• User:Jerome Frank Disciple/curlyfixer.js adds an WP:AutoEd function that straightens curly quotes per MOS. That's right! Such a module was only made in the 14th year of AutoEd's existence! Configure away!
• Frequently link to Wikipedia on your websites yet find generating CC-BY credits to be such a hassle? Say no more! User:Luke10.27/attribute will automatically do it for ya and copy the credit to yer clipboard.
• User:MPGuy2824/MoveToDraft, a spiritual successor (i.e. fork) to Evad37's script, with a few bugs solved, and a host of extra features like check-boxes for choosing draftification reasons, multi-contributor notification, and appropriate warnings based on last edit time.
• Nardog
  • /CopyCodeBlock: one of the most important operations for any scripter and script-user is to copy and paste. This script adds a copy button in the top right of every code block (not to be confused with <code>) that will, well, copy it to your clipboard!
  • /RCMuter: Hide specific users, perhaps User:MediaWiki message delivery, from the Watchlist and Recent Changes.
  • /VitalTopicon makes you see the vital article topicon on WP:vital articles.
• m:User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh/AceForLuaDebugConsole.js adds the Ace editor (a.k.a. the editor you see when editing JS, CSS and Lua on Wikimedia wikis) to the Lua debug console. "In my opinion, whoever designed it to be a plain <textarea> needs to seriously reconsider their decision."
• Novem Linguae
  • DraftCleaner fixes formatting of new articles.
  • GANReviewTool quickly and easily closes good article nominations.
  • ReviewStatus displays whether or not a mainspace page is marked as reviewed.
  • SpeciesHelper tries to add the correct speciesbox, category, taxonbar, and stub template to species articles.
• User:Opencooper/svgReplace and Tol's fork replaces all rasterized SVGs with their original SVG codes for your loading pleasures. Tell us which one is better!
• User:Phlsph7/HighlightUnreferencedPassages adds a button to highlight all unreferenced paragraphs in reds, and can even do it automatically.
• Still hate Vector 2022's floating TOC? User:Phlsph7/UnfoldedNumberedTOC(Vector2022) might make you give it a try.
• Quite a bit of pages at Special:WantedCategories either exist now or got removed. User:Qwerfjkl/scripts/hideUnwantedCategories automatically hides those.
• User:SuperHamster's Wikipedia:Tools/View it! generates a gallery of images for a given subject on any Wikimedia project utilizing Structured Data on Commons. Images can then be added as needed.
• Terasail
  • ArticleInfo displays page information at the top of the page, directly below the title.
  • /HeaderIcons takes away the Vector 2022 user dropdown and replaces it with all of the icons within, top level, right next to the Watchlist. One less click away! There's also an alternate version that uses text links instead of icons.
• ...and any more, all available at WP:US/L.

Due to budget and procrastination limitations, we've only had time to review the first ~39% of the scripts since last issue. Help us out here! Aaron Liu (talk) 13:24, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

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Qwerfjkl (bot) – Cs_california

Page: Aquarium_granuloma Diff: Special:Diff/1191039304

Comment/question: I used the citation bot here and it is giving me an error Cs california (talk) 20:24, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Cs california, you added

<ref name="JAMA Network e542">{{cite web | title= | website=JAMA Network | url=https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/754060 | access-date=2023-12-20}}</ref>

which has a blank |title=. Citation bot is not perfect, and cannot always find titles for references. — Qwerfjkltalk 21:03, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Ok I think I will report it there as I like using the citation bot sorry for the bother. --Cs california (talk) 07:55, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Cs california, citation bot can't do anything in this case. — Qwerfjkltalk 08:05, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

That depends on how much work they want to do. The bot runs on python and the text is in the html page under the tag `<script type="application/ld+json">`. Everything inside looks like json and can be grabbed. Cs california (talk) 08:51, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Cs california, what you have linked to is not citation bot. Citation bot's code is here. — Qwerfjkltalk 09:31, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Aww man I didn't know we still use PHP. Guess your are right :( -Cs california (talk) 06:24, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Question from Thomas precious (00:48, 31 December 2023)

How do I drop my information online like where am I from and my date of birth on my activity and my nickname --Thomas precious (talk) 00:48, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia DOI and Google Books Citation Maker offline

Hi There! Do you know the GitHub user Alyw234237? Your generatedoi script links to their "wiki-doi-gbooks-citation-maker" tool which went offline sometime after May of this year after they deleted their account/had their account deleted. Unfortunately the archived repository wasn't archived in full. Maybe you can adjust your userpage to reflect that it's no longer in use. 1Veertje (talk) 11:13, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

1Veertje, I might as well delete it if the tool isn't working. @Mathglot, @Jts1882, @Slugger O'Toole, @Tgeorgescu, you are the only editors who have the script installed. Any problem with deleting it? — Qwerfjkltalk 14:46, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

it's practicatlly entirely superseeded by the VisualEditor's implementation of the Citoid API so it's no big loss. 1Veertje (talk) 14:54, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

If the tool is gone and has no prospect of being restored, then the script serves no purpose. A shame to tool has been dropped as I don't use the Visual editor. That said, I use the citations button (citation expander gadget) to generate citation from the doi so there are alternatives. —  Jts1882 | talk  15:07, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

I had hoped, even after all this time, that it would come back. I was aware of the VE alternative, and used to switch to VE in preview mode momentarily solely for that reason, but eventually stopped doing that as it was too much of a pain in the neck. Not everything has a doi (or at least, easily findable) but almost everything has an oclc. Not sure if they provide an API but the formatted page looks scrapeable so maybe someone will be induced to build a script around that.

But before we delete it, can I just ask this: switching back and forth to VE for that one reason just isn't worth it to me, but it's annoying not to have the feature. Can we usurp the toolname, and install a new script there that works from the regular editor, wraps Citoid or whatever it is that VE uses, and lets me do that without having to switch back and forth? I don't know whether that counts as "deleting the tool" as nothing would be left of the original code, but that's the end result I'd like to see. If that is impossible, then, regretfully, I suppose one might as well delete it; sigh... Mathglot (talk) 17:43, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

I don't use it, so no hold ups from me. Thanks. -- Slugger O'Toole (talk) 18:08, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Agree. tgeorgescu (talk) 02:49, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

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Qwerfjkl (bot) – Anomalocaris

Page: Timeline_of_schizophrenia

Diff: Special:Diff/1188873938

Comment/question: As the edit summary (correctly supplied in the following edit) shows, all I did was "rm all <small>, <br>, and alignment markup and avoid all caps." I didn't change any references except minor details like fixing all caps. So don't blame me for any bare URLs or missing titles, they were already there and I had nothing to to with them.

Anomalocaris (talk) 22:55, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Anomalocaris, you changed a |title=, to |Title=, which broke one of the references. — Qwerfjkltalk 08:24, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Ah, I didn't notice that I had used |Title=("Charcot’s Influence on Freud") and |Title="Author's Preface", which were erroneous side-effects of changing titles from all caps to initial caps. Thanks for the explanation! —Anomalocaris (talk) 07:02, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Qwerfjkl (bot) – Anomalocaris

Page: List_of_fictional_antiheroes

Diff: Special:Diff/1190966334

The original error was introduced into The Alcalde in Revision of 23:25, 18 April 2015 (UTC) by Kinfoll1993, as follows:

{{cite magazine|title=The Alcalde|date= Nov 1996|page=31}}

which erroneously used the magazine name as the title, and lacked an author, an actual title, and a URL. Kinfoll1993 hasn't contributed to Wikipedia since 21 July 2017 (six years ago), so there's no point asking them to fix their crappy reference. I did the best I could, intentionally using a generic title, intentionally creating an error message, so that, hopefully somebody with access to archives of The Alcalde can find the actual author and title of this article.

Anomalocaris (talk) 23:18, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Anomalocaris, then you can ignore the error message. The bot cannot tell if an error is deliberate or not. — Qwerfjkltalk 08:28, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

You're right, I shouldn't have complained about this one. —Anomalocaris (talk) 07:02, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Qwerfjkl (bot) – Anomalocaris

Page: List_of_fictional_antiheroes

Diff: Special:Diff/1190966334

I edited List_of_fictional_antiheroes only once, at 21:22, 20 December 2023‎ (UTC). You already noted this issue on my talk page at 21:37, 20 December 2023 (UTC). Why are you reporting the same issue a second time at 15:39, 26 December 2023 (UTC)?

Anomalocaris (talk) 23:28, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Anomalocaris, this is a bug. I have no idea what causes it. — Qwerfjkltalk 08:29, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation! —Anomalocaris (talk) 07:02, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 11:54, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

CFD closure

Hello Qwerfjkl,

I'd like to possibly contest the closure at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_December_21#Category:People_of_the_Thirteen_Colonies_by_colony. Well, your close was fine given the input people had, but a key point doesn't appear to have been raised in the discussion. Specifically, people "of" clearly implies people who lived there. People "from" makes it sound like people who were born there, which in the early colonial days is rare. If taken seriously, this is a major scope change, implying that lots of immigrants who spent most of their lives in colonial New Jersey / Georgia / Rhode Island / etc. should be removed as they weren't "from" that place, but rather Europe / Africa. This implication does not appear to have been discussed, and I'm not even sure what the rationale was for a move - personal preference? The nominator and supports don't seem to have articulated a reason other than "it should be this."

Checking, these categories have descriptions like (see Category:People from colonial Maryland):

This category includes people who were notable in the Province of Maryland prior to the era of American Revolution. That is, they were notable before about 1765.

To me, this clearly fits "of" better than "from."

Pinging @Omnis Scientia and Marcocapelle: as well - was this intended to be a scope-change to a "people by birth" category? If not, any objection to either moving it back, or re-opening the CFD? SnowFire (talk) 00:02, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello again and Happy New Year! Did you get a chance to review the above? Would you be willing to relist this CFD at least, or should I take it to Wikipedia:Move review ? SnowFire (talk) 15:49, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

SnowFire, sorry, meant to look at this sooner. I'll reopen the discussion, since no other response seem forthcoming. — Qwerfjkltalk 16:19, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

@SnowFire: this debate is not specific to Thirteen Colonies categories, it should probably discussed elsewhere and for all people categories, e.g. WT:Categories. I don't think that renaming of... to from... implies birth.

In my understanding, the intent is to stress that categories of People from <place> are for people who have a defining link to that place, which is what categories should be for anyway. A number of people categories were recently renamed to use this format. User:Smasongarrison was involved in many such renamings, they may be able to provide you with more information. Place Clichy (talk) 16:59, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

@Place Clichy that's exactly right. The idea is to make it clear that the person is from a place (more permanently) rather than some one passing thru or merely affiliated. it's especially helpful for distinguishing people who are people who merely work in a place, like a bishop or ambassador, or sports coach (those typically use IN) who may not identify as being Icelandic, but works in Iceland. Mason (talk) 18:16, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

oh also, correct it does not imply birth, just long term affiliation. someone "from new Hampshire" could definitely be born elsewhere, but still be from New Hampshire Mason (talk) 18:17, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

I'm not opposed to having categories by long-term affiliation, but I find that "of" communicates that much better than "from" as a title. Eric Pålsson Mullica is a person "of" colonial New Jersey (and still "of" New Sweden? Guess that category hasn't been moved yet) but "from" Swedish-controlled Finland. Categories have to be maintained by random other editors who may not be familiar with these things - are you really sure they'll "get" that "from" just means "heavily associated with?" Also, as a general matter, many people have categories related to where they were born even if it wasn't ultimately *that* important, but I guess that falls under OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. SnowFire (talk) 21:01, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Interesting! I appreciate your perspective because I think that "of" is vague as it doesn't convey the nature of the relationship, whereas "in" or "from" are more specific. But, if I'm understanding you correctly, you think that "from" is too specific, like it's the origin, rather than being merely defining (which is what I meant when I said heavily associated). Hmmm, I'm not sure if there's an alternative "preposition" that captures that level of specificity. Mason (talk) 21:08, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for Linter bot task 27

Thanks for sending your bot all over the User talk space to fix tens of thousands of Linter errors! There are plenty more to fix; most of the popular ones are listed at User:MalnadachBot/Signature submissions. Let me know if you would like to continue this work, and I can help you pick out some good ones. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:47, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Jonesey95, I'm happy to help fix Linter errors, but I'm a tad busy right now with some other technical work. I'll have a go in a week or two. — Qwerfjkltalk 21:15, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

OK, drop me a note any time. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:23, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Qwerfjkl bot

Hey there! Recently I randomly saw one of your bot messages regarding CS1 problems on a user talk page and I got interested in the idea. Would it be possible to make that job work outside EnWiki? That would be a nice addition to the whole citation infrastructure in my homewiki. I already run a citation related bot myself and can fork your job if you feel uncomfortable going global with your bot (and if you guide me a bit in that process). - Klein Muçi (talk) 10:47, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Klein Muçi, I believe it would be fairly easy to run on another wiki. I'd just need to change to configuration. — Qwerfjkltalk 15:38, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Cool! One general question: What is stopping your bot from notifying for all the error categories (and even some of those in maintenance)? Is it a deliberate constrain or maybe you haven't found time to implement that yet? Or is something else in play, like some policy or a technical difficulty? - Klein Muçi (talk) 15:49, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Klein Muçi, I added the categories on an opt-in basis. There is nothing stopping the bot from notifying for all CS1 errors, it was just decided that there wasn't reason enough to notify someone every time they made a small typo. — Qwerfjkltalk 18:07, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

You can see the configuration of categories at User:Qwerfjkl (bot)/inform/middle. — Qwerfjkltalk 18:10, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Okay then. Can we try and make it work for sqwiki (my homewiki) in the following days? Maybe on January? - Klein Muçi (talk) 21:36, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Klein Muçi, sure. I'll need to know a few things to get it setup, such as what categories it would run on, and I'll need you to create some templates for the bot to use. — Qwerfjkltalk 21:44, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I will hopefully update the CS1 module in the following days so we have parity with EnWiki in categories (maybe something has changed since the last update) and then I can show them to you and help with the templates creation. - Klein Muçi (talk) 21:47, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello Qwerfjkl! I'm back. I updated the CS1 modules and our categories for my homewiki and now it has parity with the current EnWiki version. Let me know what exactly is needed from my part and I'll help you with the bot i18n. Regards! - Klein Muçi (talk) 14:05, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Klein Muçi, you need to create three templates that the bot substitutes in its messages:

• {{subst:User:Qwerfjkl (bot)/inform/top|count=|page=|diff=}}
• {{subst:User:Qwerfjkl (bot)/inform/middle|causes=|cat=|page=|diff=}}
• {{subst:User:Qwerfjkl (bot)/inform/top|page=|diff=}}count is the number of different errors (which isn't actually used right now), page is the page the error occured on, diff is the diff id, causes will be something like 'A "[error type with link to category]" error' - I might change that to make translation easier.

cat is the error category that was added.
{{subst:User:Qwerfjkl (bot)/inform/middle}} is substituted multiple times if there are multiple errors (whcih have different categories). — Qwerfjkltalk 14:37, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Okay, so, I'm a bit confused: I understand ~inform/top is just the introduction and ~/inform/middle is the actual list of errors. I can translate those easily and recreate them at w:sq:User:Qwerfjkl (bot)/inform/top and w:sq:User:Qwerfjkl (bot)/inform/middle respectively. But you mention the existence of three templates. You have put ~/inform/top twice. Maybe it should be something with "bottom" instead? -

Also, the middle one has a list of categories. We talked about increasing the total number of categories your bot notifies for. Should I understand that I'm to put all the categories there together with the respective help message to achieve that? Or maybe we should start with the existing ones first and then scale up? - Klein Muçi (talk) 16:01, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Klein Muçi, sorry, I meant {{subst:User:Qwerfjkl (bot)/inform/bottom}}.
We can do the categories however you want. For each category you'd need to add it to the switch statement to provide the message, then I'll just copy that into the code. — Qwerfjkltalk 16:51, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Okay. I will create the three templates then and notify you back when I'm done. Thank you! - Klein Muçi (talk) 17:00, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

I created the said templates. Take a look at the homologue pages in SqWiki. Tell me if there is anything else left to translate or some links to change. (Most likely there is.)

The middle part is not finished yet. I copy-pasted all CS1 error categories and I will add a one liner of explanation and how to fix the error for every line. - Klein Muçi (talk) 00:26, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Can you do me a favor? Can you put the text you would normally put in ~/middle (the explanation and the fix) in English in the Albanian created page (for all categories) and I can come later to translate it? I've already put all our error categories there. Each one of our categories is connected with its English homologue so you can find which is which. Here is the main category for errors. - Klein Muçi (talk) 06:35, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

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Klein Muçi, /top looks good. /bottom has links to User:Qwerfjkl/Botpreload and User:Qwerfjkl/Boteditintro, and also links to my talk page. I don't speak Albanian, so you might want to link it to your talk page instead.
For /middle, I don't actually know how to fix most of the errors (I don't normally fix CS1 errors). It looks like sq:Ndihmë:Gabimet CS1 has information on how to fix them, so maybe you could copy from there? — Qwerfjkltalk 11:00, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

I'll modify ~/bottom accordingly.

It's true we do have that page but it is unfortunately unmaintained and thus outdated. No problem though, I'll deal with it myself, it'll just take me a bit more time. I'll be back here when the changes have been finished. - Klein Muçi (talk) 14:37, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 December 31#Category:Resorts in Thailand

Hi. Would you mind not relisting the discussion and just closing it, please? I already explained why in the discussion. --Paul_012 (talk) 16:37, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Paul 012, my mistake, I'll close it soon (once I get XFDCloser to start working again). — Qwerfjkltalk 16:38, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. --Paul_012 (talk) 16:59, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

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Qwerfjkl (bot) – Flyingspacecat

Page: Stephen_Gogolev

Diff: Special:Diff/1187894612

Comment/question: the edit in question was just an update to say he withdrew, instead of a TBD for to be determined result. No URLs were involved

Flyingspacecat (talk) 02:06, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Flyingspacecat, you added

	
{{cite web |url= https://streetsoftoronto.com/the-top-20-under-20-in-toronto-activists-and-athletes|publisher=Streets of Toronto url-status= live }}

— Qwerfjkltalk 09:03, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

This was resolved by another user. Thank you. Flyingspacecat (talk) 18:10, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Qwerfjkl (bot) - Task 26

Hi Qwerfjkl, is Qwerfjkl (bot) meant to be making edits such as Special:Diff/1194779885? It seems all it did in that edit was move {{tpr}} to below the banner shell. All the best, ‍—‍a smart kitten_[meow] 18:23, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

A smart kitten, strictly speaking no, but because of how the code works it's impractical to avoid cosmetic edits like this. It doesn't do much harm. — Qwerfjkltalk 18:27, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Fair enough then, just thought it was worth checking in case the bot had gone wrong :) Out of interest, do you know what the trigger would be for such an edit - would it do it on (for example) any redirect talk page that has both a {{tpr}} notice and WikiProjects within a banner shell? All the best, ‍—‍a smart kitten_[meow] 18:31, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

A smart kitten, it just edits all talk pages, regardless of what they have. In this case it didn't make any substantial changes, just moving WPBS to the top (which is to do with my implementation of MOS:TALKORDER), bypass template redirects, and mwparserfromhell (the python library I'm using) stripped the redundant 1=. Normally it would also make non-cosmetic changes, but in this case there were none needed. — Qwerfjkltalk 18:38, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

I interpreted {{tpr}} as going on top of the banner shell, as it seems analogous to {{talk header}}, per MOS:TALKORDER. PARAKANYAA (talk) 18:51, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

PARAKANYAA, it looks like you're right. Probably not worth going back to change old pages, but I'll fix the code so it works on new edits. — Qwerfjkltalk 18:55, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much :) PARAKANYAA (talk) 18:55, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

PIQA issue

There was an issue with Talk:.41 rimfire though I can't exactly blame the bot for this too much because there was text on top of the existing banner shell. And when it edited Talk:.41 Swiss it didn't do anything besides bypass the redirect. PARAKANYAA (talk) 18:40, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

PARAKANYAA, I'm inclined to treat Talk:.41 rimfire as a GIGO situation. Re Talk:.41 Swiss, see my comment above. — Qwerfjkltalk 18:43, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Fair on the first point, but with the second shouldn't it have made an edit there? Or since there's no majority was it not supposed to? PARAKANYAA (talk) 18:44, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Shouldn't it've moved the Stub rating (as the only rating from a non-PIQA-opted-out project) to the banner shell on Talk:.41 Swiss? Best, ‍—‍a smart kitten_[meow] 18:45, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

A smart kitten, no, because it conflicted with the other class rating of Start. — Qwerfjkltalk 18:47, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

And @PARAKANYAA. — Qwerfjkltalk 18:48, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Fair enough. PARAKANYAA (talk) 18:49, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

I don't mean this in a negative way, but I'm a little confused. It was my understanding that the reason for this bot task (along with Cewbot task 12) was to implement PIQA by always having a class in the banner shell, and letting human editors resolve any quality conflicts (although as MILHIST is opted out, there wouldnt've been any quality conflicts in this case). Not moving any class rating to the banner shell would seem to defeat this. All the best, ‍—‍a smart kitten_[meow] 18:55, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

A smart kitten, it was my understanding that I should just leave things as they are, with a blank class, if classes conflicted. @Martin? — Qwerfjkltalk 18:58, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

The thread at User_talk:Kanashimi#Majority_rating may be of interest. -Kj cheetham (talk) 22:14, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

I think if there is a majority rating (e.g. 3-2) then the bot will side with the majority. It's only if there is no majority (e.g. 2-2) that the bot will leave the class empty for human editors to decide. We have a tracking categories for these cases too, but I imagine they will be fairly rare — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:57, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

@MSGJ: For my own information, does ‘majority rating’ in this sense mean a majority of all projects, or a majority of non-opted-out projects? (To be honest, as we have a tracking category, I suppose it doesn’t matter that much which definition is used by the bots. Also, thanks for mentioning that we have such a tracking category - it lead me to find Category:Articles using WikiProject banner shell with empty class parameter, which I wasn’t previously aware existed )

Apologies Qwerfjkl if I had an incorrect understanding when I left my message earlier (as it seems I did). All the best, ‍—‍a smart kitten_[meow] 23:10, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

That category is not ready for using yet, because I set it up incorrectly at first so it contains 110k articles at present! — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 23:12, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

A smart kitten, a majority rating is of all wikiprojects. — Qwerfjkltalk 07:12, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Qwerfjkl (bot) – Agkrahn

Page: Robert_Molle https://olympics.com/en/athletes/robert-molle

Diff: Special:Diff/1181895339 The link works and is a proper reference.

Comment/question:

Agkrahn (talk) 00:24, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Agkrahn, yes, but you didn't add |title=. — Qwerfjkltalk 07:13, 11 January 2024 (UTC)