User talk:Shannon1/Archive 1

Wikipedia:Wikipedia Loves Art

First off, I apologize for the spam. You are receiving this message because you have indicated that you are in Southern California or interested in Southern California topics (either via category or WikiProject, or I happen to know personally).

I would like to invite you to the Los Angeles edition of Wikipedia:Wikipedia Loves Art, a photography scavenger hunt to be held at the Los Angeles County Museum of Art (LACMA) on Saturday, February 28, 2009, from 1:00 to 7:00 PM. All photos are intended for use in Wikipedia articles or on Wikimedia Commons. There will be a prize available for the person who gets the most photos on the list.

If you don't like art, why not come just to meet your fellow Wikipedians. Apparently, we haven't had a meetup in this area since June 2006!

If you are interested in attending, please add your name to Wikipedia:Wikipedia Loves Art#Los Angeles County Museum of Art. Please make a note if you are traveling to the area (train or plane) and need transportation, which can probably be arranged via carpool, but we need time to coordinate. Lodging is as of right now out of scope, but we could discuss that if enough people are interested.

Thank you and I hope to see you there! howcheng {chat} 00:33, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

January 2009

In a recent edit to the page River Irwell, you changed one or more words from one international variety of English to another. Because Wikipedia has readers from all over the world, our policy is to respect national varieties of English in Wikipedia articles.

For subjects exclusively related to Britain (for example, a famous British person), use British English. For something related to the United States in the same way, use American English. For something related to other English-speaking countries, such as Canada, Australia, or New Zealand, use the appropriate variety of English used there. If it is an international topic, use the same form of English the original author used.

In view of that, please don't change articles from one version of English to the other, even if you don't normally use the version the article is written in. Respect other people's versions of English. They in turn should respect yours. Other general guidelines on how Wikipedia articles are written can be found in the Wikipedia:Manual of Style. If you have any queries about all this, you can ask me on my talk page or you can visit the help desk. Thank you. The river is located in the UK, so British spellings should be used. Mayalld (talk) 16:50, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

In a recent edit to the page Template:River Parrett map, you changed one or more words from one international variety of English to another; or from one spelling to another. Because Wikipedia has readers from all over the world, our policy is to respect national varieties of English in Wikipedia articles.

For subjects exclusively related to Britain (for example, a famous British person), use British English. For something related to the United States in the same way, use American English. For something related to other English-speaking countries, such as Canada, Australia, or New Zealand, use the appropriate variety of English used there. If it is an international topic, use the same form of English the original author used.

In view of that, please don't change articles from one version of English to the other, even if you don't normally use the version the article is written in. Respect other people's versions of English. They in turn should respect yours. Other general guidelines on how Wikipedia articles are written can be found in the Wikipedia:Manual of Style. If you have any queries about all this, you can ask me on my talk page or you can visit the help desk. Thank you. The river is located in the UK, so British spellings should be used. Bridgwater and Bridgewater are both recognised and valid spellings; the correct one for that article is Bridgwater.Pyrotec (talk) 12:43, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Aliso Creek (Orange County)

Hi, I am reviewing your article, Aliso Creek (Orange County), and have left some comments at Talk:Aliso Creek (Orange County)/GA1. Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions or comments. Regards, —Mattisse (Talk) 03:38, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi. I just changed the coordinates given for several tributaries of Aliso Creek. E.g. Sulphur Creek from {{coord|33|55|91|N|117|68|44|W}} to {{coord|33.5591|N|117.6844|W |format=dms |region:US-CA_type:waterbody}} (33°33′33″N 117°41′04″W) Note that when a source like U.S. Geological Survey Geographic Names Information System: Sulphur Creek gives coordinates like "33.5591667  -117.6844444", those are decimal degrees. The Degree/Minute/Second equivalent is in the next two columns: "333333N  1174104W". They're smushed together, so you have to know that there are two digits for each number, except for the longitude degrees. You can use the former as-is; only the latter have to be broken up with pipes.
—WWoods (talk) 18:17, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Kalandula Falls

I noticed that you please an {{Unreferenced}} tag on Kalandula Falls. However, I started the article and it has two references already. Was there a problem with the two references provided?--TM 13:35, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, maybe when I visited that page, some vandal probably removed the references or something, or maybe my browser had problems. Sorry for the disturbance.themaee 21:35, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Mount Triumph

Hi Themaeeandhisfriend; I nominated your new article Mount Triumph to DYK just now. At the moment, it is about 500 characters short of the criterion and it wouldn't hurt to exceed that by a comfortable margin. I'll try to add some more content, as well. Nice work![1] Walter Siegmund (talk) 18:05, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Wow! What's the criterion, though? themaee 18:31, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I meant to include a link. It is Wikipedia:Did_you_know#Selection_criteria. Walter Siegmund (talk) 19:03, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

I added some content and fixed an error. I count 1849 characters now. A couple days remain until the cutoff. I found a link about geology, but may not have time to add it.[2] Best wishes, Walter Siegmund (talk) 19:20, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi Themaeeandhisfriend; please look for DYK:Mount Triumph on the main page in a few hours.[3] Walter Siegmund (talk) 16:46, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Mount Triumph

On March 26, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Mount Triumph, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 11:51, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Sig Problem?

Hey, I just noticed your sig...and it's way too big! While there are little/no restrictions, could you reduce the size? Thanks. Cheers. I'^mperator 14:32, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Category:Hydroelectric power plants in Utah

For every category you create, you should specify parent categories to which it belongs. You can do this by listing the parents near the bottom of the page, each enclosed in double brackets like so:

[[Category:Energy resource facilities in Utah]]
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I am a human being, not a bot, so you can contact me if you have questions about this. Best regards, --Stepheng3 (talk) 04:04, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

That orange bar on your userpage...

...is the most annoying thing I've ever seen. Apterygial 11:06, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

That seems a little harsh, to be honest. Don't feel duty bound to do anything just because I stumble around leaving stupid messages. :) Apterygial 00:00, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

It's ok. I just put it there for fun. I didn't intend to dupe any people, though.themaee 01:16, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Edwards Dam

On April 4, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Edwards Dam, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky (talk) 10:08, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Be careful about oversimplifying

I notice you are taking it upon yourself to contribute to various articles regarding waterfalls in Washington State where you are citing my website (waterfallsnorthwest.com) as the primary - if not the only - source of data. While you are more than welcome to do so, I notice you are oversimplifying a lot of what you have contributed, and that has led to a lot of questionably erroneous data. I already cleaned up the Sulphide Creek Falls article because you had, as far as I can tell, made too many assumptions based on both my data and John Scurlock's aerial photos and I can attest to the fact that a lot of it was inaccurate and more so unverifiable. I would also strongly suggest reading between the lines when you check your data sources. For most of the waterfalls which have detailed information on my website, the heights, widths, streamflow data, etc, is all estimated, so stating it factually is somewhat deceiving. Bryan Swan | World Waterfall Database (talk) 06:57, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

North Cascades cat

Hi; please see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mountains#Category:North_Cascades_of_Washington.Skookum1 (talk) 15:59, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Ashlu Falls Photo

i created a page [4] which has the photo on it. Could u plz delete this pg (I dunno how 2 delete pages on wikipedia) & then tell me how to put the photo on the Ashlu Falls page. I was able 2 figure out how to upload pictures but how 2 put them on a page is my question.

Thanx

AndrewEnns —Preceding unsigned comment added by AndrewEnns (talk • contribs) 05:08, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm not an admin, so I can't delete pages. You'd have to ask an admin if you wanted it deleted. Otherwise, an article with only a picture would likely be deleted quickly, so no worries there. themaee^talk 01:48, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

My River Articles

I'm getting a little annoyed at how many people are questioning my content about some of the river articles I've created. They think my info is not not legit. The thing is, I've tried to be reasonable about doing stuff correctly (ie: I was told to reference info, so I am now referencing my content). I also did not know how 2 respond to something someone put on my talk page until yesterday when I figured it out. Now for the answer to the big question: Where do I get my info from? Well, I have a mapbook at home that is very detailed & useful (many people have been very complimentry of this mapbook, one of them even saying it was like a bible to them) as well as google earth. That is what a lot of my info about rivers I do articles on comes from. This mapbook is completely reliable & I am generally good at reading maps so this kind of thing comes naturally to me. As for any types of complaints about referencing, I think these complaints are completely irrelavant since if u lookk at my articles I reference my stuff fairly well. If u want proof of that, check out my article on the Mashel River. I put lots of time into that and I also did a fair bit of research and also made sure to reference my info.

As for some of complaints that BryanSwan's been making about my waterfall articles, thats another issue and I will sort it out with him.

BTW: I'm not trying to sound upset with you or anything like that, I'm just trying to get my point across. I also really found ur directions on how to upload pictures useful.

Plz respond

Later

AndrewEnns

Well, it's great that you have such a detailed mapbook! If it is reliable as you said, then include the name and author of the book in the "References" section of the article.themaee^talk 15:57, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, I think I was really misunderstanding your intents, so I'm sorry about going to such ridiculous lengths to clarify this info. But would you mind if you could tell me what the mapbook is called, so I can put it as a reference to your articles, or to do this yourself? Shannon1^{talk contribs} 00:13, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Re:AndrewEnns/River articles

Looks like you got your answer in the previous message. I'm not sure how user interpretation of maps fits in with the citation requirements for Wikipedia though, and I don't have any sources for information on rivers in British Columbia, but the USGS maintains information on all waterways which are monitored with streamgauges[5]. The Canadian Government might do the same, but I haven't found any such source yet. It does look to me like AndrewEnns is speculating about a lot of what he's posting (at least more so in the articles he's written about waterfalls - what I've read of his river articles so far seems pretty clean).
Bryan Swan | World Waterfall Database (talk) 07:02, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

I somehow wandered to this page and saw this comment. I don't know if any of you are interested in stream flow data for British Columbia rivers, but if so, there's a page I wrote up a while ago about how to get it, at: User:Pfly/BC_hydrometric_data. It involves using the Water Resources British Columbia GIS web application, which contains lots of stream-related info in addition to flow stats. Pfly (talk) 23:21, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Oop, and perhaps I should add, after looking at the web app again, that you can just browse highly detailed maps of British Columbia, including streams and apparently waterfalls, at http://openmaps.gov.bc.ca/imfows13/imf.jsp?site=idt ...useful. Pfly (talk) 04:09, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Spring Creek Dam

On April 29, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Spring Creek Dam, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Royalbroil 00:49, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination of O'Neill Forebay

Hello! Your submission of O'Neill Forebay at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Law _{type! snype?} 03:26, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Cautley Spout

Hi. I'm curious why the tag is "outdated". It's certainly old, but there are still no refs. Rivertorch (talk) 03:06, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

There is one ref, except that it isn't an inline citation. I think I've checked it sometime in the past, and it did have info about this article.

Wow, how did I miss that? The link isn't working anymore, though, so I flagged it. I'll poke around a little and see if I can find something else, but I didn't have much luck on that a while back. Rivertorch (talk) 04:24, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

new mssg

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DYK for O'Neill Forebay

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Gatoclass (talk) 12:08, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Re: Changing username

I've left a comment there; hope that helps to clear things up. Regards, –Juliancolton | ^Talk 20:51, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

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Talkback

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Dams

hi, I'm in need of help writing about the pueblo dam in relation to an article i'm working on. It's Lake Pueblo State Park. I've found a couple of sources to include information about the dam but I know next to nothing about dams to write intelligently. Perhaps you can assist, I saw your talk page posting about making a wikiproject on dams and assumed you may have the info and technical know how to write a blurb for the article. Let me know if you can help and if you can't Thank You. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 18:12, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Risks of the Glen Canyon Dam

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DYK for Sulphide Creek (moved from old redirect myself)

On May 23, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Sulphide Creek, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky (talk) 18:56, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Welcome

Hello Shannon1, welcome to your fifth username on Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. –Meiskam (talk•contrib•block) 06:55, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Fifth username? I thought I'd only changed it once... Shannon1^{talk contribs} 07:03, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Commons rename

I am requesting a rename on Commons. My current Commons name is Themaeeandhisfriend. Shannon1^{talk contribs} 16:23, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Los Angeles Flood of 1938

Good work on improving Los Angeles Flood of 1938. Thanks for the contributions.   Will Beback  talk  00:57, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for recognizing my efforts! Shannon1^{talk contribs} 21:24, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Talkback

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AndrewEnns (talk) 03:19, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Nooksack Falls photo

Yo shannon, there is nothin wrong with the size of the photo on the Nooksack Falls page. Have a look at the Snake River page; there is one that is very similar to the one I put on the Nooksack Falls page. Besides, the way I have it, it looks cool & I think it is a really good photo. BTW, this is AndrewEnns; have not logged in yet! Cheers 96.48.163.134 (talk) 00:39, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I think the pic would be fine the way you had it... the Snake River is a well-known topic, its page is pretty good compared to my better articles, it's just that I thought that there was something with MOS... Shannon1^{talk contribs} 03:51, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

other than Aliso Creek ... Shannon1^{talk contribs} 22:05, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

WHOA!! - Category: North Cascades of British Columbia completely inappropriate

I just removed it from Seton Lake, which is in the Pacific Ranges of the Coast Mountains and nowhere near the Canadian Cascades. ALSO, "North Cascades" is a US term and it's been only for convenience that the Category:Canadian Cascades or more formally Category:Cascade Mountains of British Columbia were the same article with North Cascades, and really perhaps they should be split. I'll be raising a CFD immediately about this category name which should be deleted; the official name in Canada is "Cascade Mountains" although "Canadian Cascades" would suffice; really the shared landform with the North Cascades comprises only the Skagit Range and the Hozameen Range though the Hozameen name is purely Canadian; the Okanagan Range should be their own category but would have both Category:North Cascades of Washington (?) and Category:Canadian Cascades/Category:Cascade Mountains of British Columbia as parents.....I'm going to start that CFD now.Skookum1 (talk) 01:17, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

We could move the category... although I don't see a "move" tab atop the page... Shannon1^{talk contribs} 01:18, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

You can't move a category, it can only be done by CFD....Skookum1 (talk) 01:19, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I started the CfD - Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2009_June_4#Category:North_Cascades_of_British_Columbia and will post it to WPCanada/BC and WPMountains.Skookum1 (talk) 01:35, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

In case you don't know, you're welcome to comment/vote on it. In fact, as the creator you're kind of expected to...Skookum1 (talk) 01:44, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Peer review

I replied on the PR page - keep the info and the best direct quotes, but paraphrase the rest in your own words. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 03:05, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Other Nooksack Falls Photo

Hi Shannon

I see you put my picture of the rainbow at Nooksack Falls onto the Nooksack River page. Thank you for doing that. Originally, I tried to put it on the Rainbow page, but someone took it out. Glad to see it is useful for something! Cheers AndrewEnns (talk) 05:27, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I saw that pic before it was supposedly removed from the page, and I thought it looked quite nice for the Nooksack River page, as it is quite lacking on photos!

You know that section of the Mount Baker Highway, just upstream from Nooksack Falls, where the road clings to the edge of a big canyon that the river rages through about 200 feet below the road. There is a little pullout where one can just stare down at the river as it thunders at the canyon bottom. I call that Nooksack Canyon. I got a photo of the river taken from the pullout & it is quite impressive. Do you think there is a place I could put it on the Nooksack River page? AndrewEnns (talk) 22:01, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Which fork of the river is it on? Shannon1^{talk contribs} 04:23, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Its on the North Fork above Nooksack Falls. Its a pretty impressive canyon. AndrewEnns (talk) 05:43, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

I think I know where it could be put. You should put it right above the rainbow photo, on the left, same size, because it's upstream from the falls. Shannon1^{talk contribs} 14:18, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

I think that is a good idea. I will do that when I go home & have access to my main computer which has that photo on it. By the way, do you know where I am talking about? AndrewEnns (talk) 15:05, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure, since I know the rough location of the Nooksack River and its North Fork. (I live in Southern California so I think I am more knowledgeable to Pacific Northwest rivers than one would expect me to be.) Shannon1^{talk contribs} 17:15, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

i need to talk to some one about my daughters promble —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.217.250.181 (talk) 16:22, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Mount Spickard

Ack! You and I have been working on mountains in the same area. I noticed the need for the page on Mount Spickard and just spent a couple hours making a page, only to discover, when I went to find an existing redlink that you beat me to it. We must have been writing up the pages simultaneously! Not wanting to have wasted the effort, I put the text I was going to use for Mount Spickard on a subpage of my user page, here: User:Pfly/Mount Spickard. I think some of the info from my page could be incorporated into yours, but I can't do any more work just now. Later I will look more closely. Wanted to tell you though, or shout "jinx"! You also beat me to Mount Redoubt (Washington), but I had not gotten to writing anything up on that one before I saw your work. I made some edits to the page earlier today, before working on Spickard. It is all kind of funny, in a D'oh! kind of way. A question--you've been using Infobox Mountain template, while I've been using the Geobox|Mountain one. Do you like the Infobox better than the Geobox? I simply have used the Geobox more so am more familiar with it. I noticed that the pushpin map thing in the Infobox seems to be slightly miscalibrated or something. The pushpin for Mount Redoubt looks like it is in Canada, and Mount Spickard's map places the peak quite a ways north of the border. Something is funky with that template map magic I think. Pfly (talk) 00:53, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I took a look at your subpage, and it appears you have a lot of info than the stub I created. I agree with incorporating some of that info into the article - I actually may just copypaste the history section. I saw the two peak on a map of North Cascades NP and I thought there was a Mt. Spickard article, so I made Mt. Redoubt, but seeing that redlink, I made a stub too, so...Shannon1^{talk contribs} 01:31, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

＂维基百科生日＂快乐！

I saw from here that it's been exactly one year since you joined the project. Happy WikiBirthday! Keep up the good work, rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 13:25, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Coords

Hi. When you're getting coords from GNIS, e.g. for Brea Creek, note that they're given in both decimal degrees (DEC) and degrees, minutes, & seconds (DMS). The latter are mushed together without markers:

" 33.877792 -118.0089521 335240N 1180032W "

but you can tell the difference: the DEC coords have decimal points, and minus signs when needed. The DMS coords have 6 digits (2+2+2) for latitude and 7 (3+2+2) for longitude, plus the cardinal directions. {{Coord}} can take either set of coords, and display either,

{{coord|33.877792|-118.0089521 }}	→ 33.877792°N 118.0089521°W / 33.877792; -118.0089521
{{coord|33.877792|-118.0089521 |format=dms}}	→ 33°52′40″N 118°00′32″W
{{coord|33|52|40|N|118|00|32|W }}	→ 33°52′40″N 118°00′32″W
{{coord|33|52|40|N|118|00|32|W |format=dec}}	→ 33.87778°N 118.00889°W / 33.87778; -118.00889,

but some templates, like {{Geobox River}}, want one or the other, and you have to give them the right numbers.

—WWoods (talk) 18:43, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Article leads

Heh, yes. I think my short lead habit comes from usually creating very short articles, like Moclips River, and developing a kind of "boilerplate" outline for river articles, with a short lead. The Boeing Creek page grew large as I worked on it. I could have made the lead longer, though I think it touches on each section's main points, if tersely. San Juan Creek is a much longer article. A quick calculation of each article's main text (not infoboxes, references, etc) compared to lead text says Boeing Creek's lead is about 5% of the whole, San Juan Creek's lead about 8.6%. Reasonably close proportion, no? But, your point got me to take a look at WP:LEAD, which I hadn't read in a long time. You are right--I've been thinking of the lead not as a "concise overview" that could "stand alone", but more of a terse statement of the most basic facts. I'll keep all this in mind, thanks! Pfly (talk) 05:02, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh... I think that why I brought this up is that I usually write a big lead first, then to write details for each subject. I structure my pages based on the lead (and I usually don't create sub-stubs now) but I get why... Thanks for replying; I get to know different writing styles better.Shannon1^{talk contribs} 05:47, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Heh, I tend toward the opposite--write a very basic lead then decide on sections and fill them in. Fleshing out the lead would be the last thing done. Pfly (talk) 08:11, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Central Valley Project

The article Central Valley Project you nominated as a good article has failed ; see Talk:Central Valley Project for reasons why the nomination failed. If or when these points have been taken care of, you may apply for a new nomination of said article. If you oppose this decision, you may ask for a reassessment. Nikkimaria (talk) 18:05, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Rename Plz

Hi Shannon. I just tried to make List of crossings of the Thompson River but spelt Thompson wrong & instead made List of crossings of the Thomspon River. Other than the incorrect name the article (I think) is pretty good. I don't know how to rename pages so if you could rename it so Thompson is spelt correctly that would be a big favor to me.

Just so you know, I have linked several articles to it but the links are spelt correctly so you or me don't have to change them as well. Cheers AndrewEnns (talk) 01:11, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Never mind; I figured it out! AndrewEnns (talk) 05:12, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh, sorry, I was on a wikibreak and the only time I checked my talk page was in an Apple Computer store up in San Francisco. I didn't want to edit there though, and I think that was after you figured it out... let me see... I think on the 26th of June I was near Sacramento. Shannon1^{talk contribs} 17:53, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Eel River (California)

Thanks for adding the photo! --Stepheng3 (talk) 17:26, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

The Eel River is one river. There is no such separate river known as "South Fork Eel River." There is, however, the South Fork of the Eel River. To separate this out into different articles from the Eel is incorrect. Please note that there is no documentation that shows any of the the Eel's forks as separate streams. 05:32, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

This makes no sense to me. How can multiple rivers be one river? Just because they share a name? Are these pages incorrect: North Yamhill River, South Yamhill River, North Fork John Day River, Middle Fork John Day River, South Fork John Day River, Coast Fork Willamette River, Middle Fork Willamette River, and yes even North Fork Middle Fork Willamette River? This list could go on and on. Anyway, the South Fork Eel River page is well referenced. Nice work, Shannon1. Pfly (talk) 09:26, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

By the way I prefer to be referred to as "Shannon" not "Shannon1". The extra "1" is there because of a usurpation problem (my old username was even stranger than "Shannon1". If it hadn't been for SUL problems I would have the username "Shannon". I think sometime long ago, I saw somewhere that Skookum1 has almost the same dilemma as this. Shannon1^{talk contribs} 21:15, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Hehe, is that why Skookum is Skookum1? I didn't know that. I do tend to refer to him as just Skookum though--I'll try to remember to do likewise with you, Shannon. Pfly (talk) 09:19, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Just of note: Many pages that should link to the South Fork Eel link to the mainstem Eel and that is severely incorrect. As an example, Richardson Grove State Park is nowhere near the mainstem and yet it mentioned "swimming in the Eel River" (before I corrected it). I guess that a lot of people confuse forks of the rivers with the mainstem. Or else, if they know it's the South Fork they should have put "South Fork Eel River" if the article doesn't exist, because that can mislead other people who are not users and are just browsing Wikipedia. Shannon1^{talk contribs} 15:47, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh yes, Norcalal, did you accidentally type "~~~~~" instead of "~~~~"? Because that would produce (for example) 15:50, 8 July 2009 (UTC) instead of Shannon1^{talk contribs} 15:50, 8 July 2009 (UTC) (and it would only give the date and time of your post).Shannon1^{talk contribs} 15:50, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

By the way, the photo: It was added in 2006, I think, on Commons. Somehow it didn't make its way onto Wikipedia. I found it while looking for a picture of the South Fork Eel River (which I didn't find). Shannon1^{talk contribs} 19:46, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi, I really enjoy your contributions, but I wanted to suggest you watch for red underlines (possible spelling errors) when editing. I just fixed about 20 "recievings" in South Fork Eel River. Keep up the good work. Robsavoie (talk) 19:48, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh yes, I always spell "recieve" wrong (like that). I keep seeing "correcting recieving ==> receiving" in edit summaries on my watchlist. I will watch out next time, but as my text editor doesn't have spell check on usually, and I often prepare article segments offline, I can't watch out for that. Thanks, Shannon1^{talk contribs} 20:09, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

I am not accustomed to the use of the Fork in the actual reference. I have been on (and off) the Eel River all my life and never heard anyone refer to the forks as the articles are now being developed. I see also that the State Parks states fork of the Eel, but never the specific way they are now being developed. Nonetheless, I have seen many references, both technical and otherwise that agree with this. But I can tell you we always say "of" when refering to the forks. Not that it matters in the final analysis. Thanks for opening my eyes to further development in specific river systems. Norcalal (talk) 03:29, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

I saw (that's how I first learned about it) the South Fork while driving along it heading from Eureka to San Francisco. I'd thought it would have an article on Wikipedia, but it didn't (and not the Middle or North Forks, either, but the Van Duzen River does.) After creating that article for the 950 mile river in China I had thought, "Is there seriously such a major river without an article?" Sorry if that got you confused; admittedly, I did take some information from Google Maps, which clearly shows it as a separate river. :) Shannon1^{talk contribs} 03:36, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Ah ha, I see Norcalal's point better now. I think it is common for people to say "South fork of the Eel River" (or any fork of any river). It just flows more naturally off the tongue. In more formal use you see "South Fork Eel River" (or whatever fork of whatever river) more often, especially on maps. Sometimes you see "...fork of the..." on old or amatuerish maps. The "X Fork X River" form seems well established as the "proper usage" for river names--although there is no final authority on "proper" place names in the US (the USGS GNIS database is often said to be "official", but legally speaking there is no power of enforcement. As I understand it the federal government's attempts to enforce place names died with Pittsburgh's victory on keeping its final -h (see Name of Pittsburgh). Still, "X Fork X River" seems well established, even if one often hears "X Fork of the X River" in speech. Personally, I've come to casually say things like "North Fork Skokomish River" without thinking it odd sounding. I do, however, understand why people usually call the North Fork Middle Fork Willamette River "North Fork of the Willamette River"--as that page points out--or the very lengthly "North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette River". In short, river names in the US are a mess! Pfly (talk) 08:46, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Amak Volcano GA Review

I've responded to your comments, I think I might be able to expand the article some more. ceranthor 14:25, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Do you have any comments on my comments? Like if you would think I am better for GA/FA review or Peer review? Shannon1^{talk contribs} 17:49, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Anderson Multinational LLC

To answer your question, it was created by AMglobal. The reason there was no creator in the edit history was due to it being tagged and deleted at nearly the exact same time, with the tag coming just slightly later. Plastikspork (talk) 03:26, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh, yes, I remember checking some other edit history and saw what seemed to be something that came within split seconds of an edit conflict. Thanks for clarifying, Shannon1^{talk contribs} 03:28, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

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Central Valley

Hi there, I've just joined the California Wikiproject. I'm dropping you a note because I notice you're interested in the Valley. I am interested in working with a group of editors to improve the Central Valley's Wikipedia presence. For example, the Central Valley (California) article is assessed "top importance" but has the lowest possible quality rating. You seem especially interested in water infrastructure. I'm a student of water law and would like to better highlight the role of water in the Valley, especially the CVP/SWP. If you're willing to help with ideas or writing, then by all means drop by the project talk page: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_California. Thanks! ferretstew (talk) 09:33, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

I think the Central Valley article has the lowest possible quality rating because it doesn't have enough references. I will try to add references as I know of some good sites, and also I may summarize the Central Valley Project article in there. Overall I think the page has too many sections and too little data. Shannon1^{talk contribs} 20:30, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Re: Hole-in-the-Wall Falls

I just hit the "Move" tab at the top of tha page. Capitalization matters here on Wikipedia, so technically the title is different than before. Hope that helps! By the way, be sure to type "Another Believer _(Talk) 02:00, 31 July 2009 (UTC)" or hit the signature timestamp button after you post on someone's page so that they can see your username and respond. Best wishes! --Another Believer _(Talk) 02:00, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh yeah, I usually sign posts, I forgot this time. Still not sure how it differs from the original title though. I'll go inspect that carefully right now...Shannon1^{talk contribs} 02:01, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

List of rivers of California request

I notice you've added the Wheatfield Fork of the Gualala, the East Fork of the Russian River, and many of the tributaries of Pescadero Creek. I'd prefer not to do this, because these are relatively unimportant streams that are already listed at List of watercourses in the San Francisco Bay Area. To reduce duplication, I'd prefer that List of rivers of California only list major streams of the SFBA. --Stepheng3 (talk) 23:15, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

I'll work on different parts of the list. Shannon1^{talk contribs} 02:14, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for all your help. --Stepheng3 (talk) 02:35, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

San Juan Creek's GA

I'm sorry to be difficult over the image licensing in this article, but it really does concern me. I don't feel that I can in all honesty list it as a GA with so many images of indeterminate copyright. I guess it's your choice where we go from here if some evidence that Orange County Archives really have released these images into the public domain can't be found, which would of course be ideal. You could remove the Orange County images pro tem, with a view to putting them back when the licensing is sorted out, or, if you feel that would in some way damage the article then simply let the GA fail and keep the article as it is. There are lots of good article without the GA badge; all the badge means is that an article meets the GA criteria, not that it's "good". --Malleus Fatuorum 21:47, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

I will comment out the images, then either restore or remove them if the copyright is finally sorted out. Shannon1^{talk contribs} 01:39, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

OK. Let me know when you've done and I'll take a final look through the article. --Malleus Fatuorum 01:46, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Ready for final assessment. Shannon1^{talk contribs} 03:59, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for addressing the issues I raised so cheerfully. I've listed San Juan Creek as a GA now and closed the review. Congratulations. --Malleus Fatuorum 14:06, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks a lot Shannon1^{talk contribs} 20:08, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

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HI

 Hi shannon! What's new?--Greg Starks (talk) 01:24, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi! (I guess you saw my username testing in the sandbox.) Remember don't press space before a comment, as it causes the bounding box to appear. :) Shannon^{talk SIGN!} 01:27, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Please see Talk:Laguna Canyon

This article has been listed for review for GA for a while so you may not be watching it closely. I've started the review process but I have lots more to do. You may want to keep an eye on the talk page once every few days. I'll probably review in more depth tomorrow. ++Lar: t/c 03:31, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi again... I took a pass at a review, which you can see at Talk:Laguna Canyon/GA1 ... let's not start the hold clock yet, there's no rush, this was a preliminary cut at a review, just see what you think and let me know, there. Best. ++Lar: t/c 02:47, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi again... are you waiting on something from me? I want to make sure there isn't something I need to do on the review to answer any questions or concerns you might have... I am fine with holding for a while to give you time but some folk may chafe. Let me know here or at the talk for the article GA... thanks. (and I like your smaller signature better, by the way) ++Lar: t/c 22:14, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh yes, sorry for waiting too long; in fact I went wikibonked the past few days because I underestimated the amount of time it takes to get GA/FA reviews under way and found myself with 2 GA reviews and a FAC on my hands. I'll upload a map soon and get to working on it in a short while. Shannon^talk _contribs ^sign!_:) 23:38, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi again... just a friendly nudge when you get a chance, I know you've other articles too. Ball's in your court though, is my read. :) If not please advise. BTW the article I put up for GA has passed. :) ++Lar: t/c 02:36, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Aliso Creek (Orange County)

Great work on Aliso Creek (Orange County)! Thanks for contributing the project.   Will Beback  talk  06:52, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

This is going to be my first FA. Shannon^{talk SIGN!} 18:54, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Signature

Please consider reducing the font size of your signature. Its current size is incredibly distracting, especially at WP:FAC. Karanacs (talk) 20:10, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Is Shannon^{talk SIGN!} better? Shannon^{talk SIGN!} 01:53, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, that is much better, and still unique! I like the color you're using :) Karanacs (talk) 02:35, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Removing merge proposal

Hi Shannon, I'm removing your proposal to merge Bull Run (watershed) and Bull Run River (Oregon). As far as I can see, you never made a case for merging, and there seems to be good reason to keep them separate (although initially, I was inclined to agree with you).

If you want to make a case for merging, of course feel free to add that tags back! -Pete (talk) 00:10, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

More Flathead River stuff

Not being happy about the length calculations for the North Fork Flathead River I calculated it in Google Earth using the GNIS source and mouth coords. It was easy, if time consuming to follow the river with the path measure tool. I got 58 miles to the US-Canada border, just as Fischer says. The Canadian portion turned out longer than the nwcouncil.org said, giving an overall length of 113 miles for the North Fork. However, the river is highly braided and meandering, and clearly changes its course within its floodplain regularly. So a really precise length measurement is probably not realistic. Its length probably changes by miles fairly often as it cuts through or creates new meanders, braids, etc. Also, I kind of doubt that tracing in Google Earth would be seen as a reliable source--it probably verges on original research, although may fall under the notion of "simple calculation". I don't have a point here, just thought I'd mention what I'd found. If nothing else my measuring confirms the idea that the 58 or so mile length really is the US portion only.

I hope you don't mind my making changes to the pages you've just made. Your question caught my attention and I got stuck looking into it. I'm also a sucker for the challenges of rivers that cross the US-Canada border.

By the way, I keep looking into trying to take a camping trip somewhere in the Baker River area with my family, but the campgrounds seem to get filled up with reservations weeks and months in advance. So we probably won't make it up there this year. I wonder if you have any recommendations about particularly noteworthy places to see, stay, do, etc. We've never been there except for one ill-fated wet-season attempt to hike somewhere near Rainbow Falls (I think it was)--only to get rained on so hard we had to flee. Pfly (talk) 07:11, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

For the North Fork Flathead River - yes, braided rivers are a lot longer than if you travel from source to mouth as the crow flies. (The straight distance, source-to-mouth, of the South Fork Eel River is only 55 miles, but the length of the river is 105 miles.) So if we have 58 miles to the border and 31 miles above it, as Google Earth suggests, we have 89 miles. Does the North Fork extend farther north than Flathead, British Columbia whish is how you got the 113 mile figure?

As for the Baker River area, I'm not very used to it (having never been within 200-300 miles of it), but I suggest just hiking upstream along the river. I'm not sure, however, if you can cross Sulphide Creek and continue on. Over there much of the valley floor is occupied by the rivers, so the best place to go is up to the mountains (Mount Blum, for instance; the smaller peaks on the east side of the river), as I've seen many accounts of people doing that. Shannon^talk _contribs ^sign!_:) 18:33, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh, yes, about the "path measure tool", is that something in Google Earth? Shannon^talk _contribs ^sign!_:) 18:34, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Right--the path measure tool is in Google Earth, which is where I got the 113 mile figure. It's easy to use and fun for river geeks, if the river isn't too long or too obscured by trees. I've used it to find the length of rivers when I couldn't find any source with a length figure (I don't think it is original research as I am just doing a simple measurement on a map) (oh and to clarify, the tool has a straight "as the crow flies" mode but also a "path" mode where you click as many dots along the way as you like--so my measuring following the meanders and curves to a reasonable degree). The 89 mile figure (58 in the US + 31 in BC) comes from the Paddling book source and the nwcouncil subbasin source. It was interesting to see how in my Google Earth measuring the US portion came in at exactly 58.0 miles, but the BC portion turned out quite a bit more than 31 miles. The river is highest braided and meandering on both sides of the border. This makes me think the nwcouncil's figure of 31 miles is somewhat rough and generalized. Or maybe it is like you suggested, just the distance to Flathead, BC. The North Fork does continue a bit beyond Flathead, BC. Eyeballing the map it looks like Flathead is about 3/4ths the way up the BC portion of the river. You can see it in Google Maps too--I just used the GNIS source, 49.1956°N 114.5109°W; so try browsing around Google Maps near the source (the uppermost course is hard to see--easier to work upriver--but it flows briefly north then turns east toward Flathead, BC. Flathead is here). Anyway, this might all be too much detail, but I rather enjoy browsing maps and satellite imagery of rivers. :-) ..and oh, I saw you said your username comes from Lake Shannon, so I thought you had probably been there! We were going to try to camp in the area this week, but all the campgrounds were long reserved. So we are going to Sunrise on Mount Rainier instead--hoping to blow the mind of our visiting Boston friend and his 5 year old daughter. Should be clear weather, so glacier views it is! Pfly (talk) 19:17, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm going to go find the path measure tool now - really interested in that. I'm going to measure the path of the river very accurately now, if I can find it.

Oh yes, considering you're going to Mount Rainier (the place is really nice, been there once briefly but it blew my mind as well) may you take a picture of Pearl Falls from Ricksetter Point for Wikipedia? I'm not sure about the licensing of the image the page currently has. Shannon^talk _contribs ^sign!_:) 19:58, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

If we go by Ricksetter Point I will stop and try. Looks like a long shot and I don't have a lot of zoom on my camera. And we might not go by there--will be coming in from the north to the east and camping at White River / Sunrise. But if we go by Paradise I'll make sure to stop and see what I can do! That photo on the Pearl Falls page seems ok, license-wise. My understanding is that NPS content is public domain unless explicitly stated otherwise. And the photo just above the Pearl Falls one on the page cited says it is copyrighted, but the Pearl Falls one does not. So I think it is okay. Still it would be better to have a photo taken by a Wikipedian for Wikipedia. If I can't do this this time I'll try another time (might be prettier earlier in the year during prime snowmelt time). Glad you like the Google Earth measuring trick. I've used it on a few Wikipedia pages when I couldn't find a source stating river length, and then tried to round the results off and call it "roughly so many miles..." If pressed I might argue it is acceptable as a Routine calculation, although I'm not sure how well the argument would hold up. Seems like the "routine calculation" of it would depend on how long and complex the river is and how clearly visible it is in Google Earth's imagery. I'm not quite sure what you mean by the forks above Flathead, BC. I just followed the obvious course to the GNIS source coordinates (which I made into a placemark to guide me). It's quite possible the GNIS source is not the longest possible though. The BC "base map" web GIS app might give the names of the tributaries you mention. I'll check. Pfly (talk) 05:41, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

So I measured the North Fork's length with the path measure tool-I got these figures:

• Mouth to U.S.-Canada border - 57.04 mi
• National border to Flathead - 35.60 mi
• Flathead to the forks - 8.86 mi

From there (we have a total of 101.5 mi so far), we have two forks - a left fork and a right fork (looking upstream). Then the left fork has two main forks - a north and south fork. (This is not counting the other large tributary that joins about 1mi upstream of Flathead.)

• Left fork - confluence to meeting of its forks - 2.66 mi

• North fork of the left fork - 11.23 mi
• South fork of the left fork - 7.69 mi

So the north fork of the left fork is the dominant headstream, making the left fork 13.89 mi in length. If the left fork is indeed the dominant headstream, the river is 115.39 mi in length. The right fork is clearly shorter - eyeing it gives a length of around 7mi. But wait! What about the tributary just above Flathead?

• Flathead to the confluence with this tributary - 1.52 mi

• Length of the tributary - 9.45 mi

Ah - mistake. This would make the river above Flathead only 10.97 mi long compared with 22.75 mi. Whew! So the river is 115.39 miles (185.70 km) in length according to my calculations - very close to your 113 mi. I don't know if GE is a reliable source though. :) Shannon^talk _contribs ^sign!_:) 21:02, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

(outdent) I can't quite figure how what tributaries your forks quite are. But I browsed around the BC Water Resource Atlas GIS app and came up with some guesses. This screenshot shows the upper Flathead watershed. Flathead BC is about on the right edge. The text gets a bit mangled at this zoom, but the named tributaries above Flathead are Pincher Creek (joins from the north just above Flathead BC); ...the long tributary joining from the north about a mile above Flathead has no name label in this app...; McLatchie Creek joins from the south about 3 miles above Flathead (straight line measure, and rough); Foisey Creek joins from the south about 5 miles up (straight line again); McEvoy Creek joins from the north about 7 miles up (straight, rough) (perhaps your "right fork"); about 1-2 miles above that, on the Flathead (your "left fork"?), an unnamed tributary joins from the north (mainly west really) (your north fork of the left fork?).

Actual mouth coordinates here:

• "McEvoy Creek". BC Geographical Names.
• "Foisey Creek". BC Geographical Names.
• "McLatchie Creek". BC Geographical Names.
• "Pincher Creek". BC Geographical Names.

If you hadn't seen it, that web app is a useful tool, if a little arcane and sometimes annoying to use. It is located here: http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/wsd/data_searches/wrbc/index.html -- "Launch the WRBC Application".

Ok, must go to sleep, gotta go camping tomorrow! Pfly (talk) 07:14, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh, so the North Fork Flathead River is the "left fork" I was talking about. The map shows it starting closer to the lower left and bending west. Yes, I understand now. Sometimes I go too far with Google Earth that I don't bother to look for maps... I will eventually try to find a decent source on how long the North Fork Flathead River really is. Shannon^talk _contribs ^sign!_:) 17:29, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for supporting me through that dumb block. That Chillum guy clearly went overboard there & blocked me for absolutely no reason. Thanks for trying to get him to understand his wrong ways, even though he failed to listen. I'm back now! AndrewEnns (talk) 17:20, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I just thought there was some misunderstanding in there. Most admins act civilly, but some get provoked very easily. I've never seen this sort of situation; hope it doesn't happen somewhere else! Shannon^talk _contribs ^sign!_:) 17:25, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Uhh huu, this guy isn't just easily provoked. He's biased & anyone he disagrees with he blocks. He should get off Wikipedia because, looking at his talk page, he does nothing but upset people. He's a prime example of an admin that nobody wants on Wikipedia. AndrewEnns (talk) 02:23, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Sorry and an offer

Sorry Aliso Creek did not pass its FAC. I would be glad to look at it some more if you would like. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 02:54, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Oh yes, I understand, because it just sat there for a really long time between the link-checking and your comments-and by the time I could actually get through around half of them, it just ran into the deadline. I'll try to fix the problems noted on the archive and see if you have any more comments. Got no time now, however, I'm borrowing a computer and its almost night here on the West Coast. Thanks, Shannon^talk _contribs ^sign!_:) 05:04, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

You see any parts that need fixing? Shannon^talk _contribs ^sign!_:) 00:41, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

My impression is that the article is very close to FA. I commented line-by-line on the article at FAC through something like the mid-point of the article but did not finish the job because I was waiting to see how you responded. I'd be happy to finish the job if you want me to. Finetooth (talk) 21:01, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't manage to finish responding to your comments before the time was up, it just ran into the deadline before I realized. I'd be happy, however, to have more opinions on the article. Shannon^talk _contribs ^sign!_:) 22:47, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

OK. I'll plan on finishing my review on Wednesday. I have a couple of other promises to keep between now and then. I'll post my suggestions to the article's talk page and post a brief note here as well. Finetooth (talk) 02:16, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Kobuk River

Please see discussion at Talk:Kobuk River#Reviving the natural history sections as a new article. Thanks, Dankarl (talk) 16:29, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Weird

Sure! I have the option on of putting any page I edit on my watchlist, and I'm too lazy to turn it off for personal pages I've made comments on. So I saw your barrage of changes. I kinda liked the "canal map diagram" thingie--that was creative. Pfly (talk) 03:23, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Yes, my userpage is the page I have edited most though I think I have finally achieved the state I really wanted. I'd forgot to turn off that option for some time (now I have 602 pages on my watchlist). I'm really obsessed with the routemap template, couldn't find anything to do one day, so... Shannon^talk _contribs ^sign!_:) 03:27, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

3,426 pages here, yikes! Pfly (talk) 03:54, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Wait, this shows you've edited 2,876 different pages... somewhat impossible? Shannon^talk _contribs ^sign!_:) 03:56, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Heh, the secret is out! I sometimesfairly often watch pages I've never edited. Pfly (talk) 04:01, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Baker River (Washington)

Heya, I got those names from USGS topo maps. They used to be freely viewable online via topozone.com but no longer. The only way I know to view them now--and it is a better interface but not directly linkable by any method I know--is via the GNIS page, eg U.S. Geological Survey Geographic Names Information System: Baker River, in the "Mapping Services" box to the right click "GNIS in Google Map". It opens a Google Map window but unlike regular Google Map there are extra view tabs--Map, Satellite, Hybrid, Topo, DOQ, and Terrain. So clicking on "Topo" gets you a nice Google Map interface for all USGS topo maps. You can pan and zoom anywhere--I just don't know how to make a direct link to it. Four zoom-in clicks causes the topo map to change to the best resolution 1:24,000 scale maps. That's how I got those tributary names. If I understand which one you mean I think it is Picket Creek... or, actually, maybe Bald Eagle Creek. It looks almost like the map on the Baker River page shows the uppermost headwaters as Picket Creek rather than Baker River. The map projection is different and I'm not sure I'm looking at it right. Hmm, you drew that map, right? The more I look at it the more it looks like you might have traced up Picket Creek. Pfly (talk) 03:22, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I actually think I know another place - via Summitpost or Peakbagger, I think, to access them. I'll post a link if I still have it bookmarked... Shannon^talk _contribs ^sign!_:) 03:32, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, if the USGS topo maps aren't available anymore, there are what seems to be an equivalent on some Peakbagger pages, such as this. However, the window is really small, so I'll go search for another... I did find that it is Bald Eagle Creek, I might actually prefer this over google maps. Shannon^talk _contribs ^sign!_:) 03:38, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Now that I think of it there are other ways to view USGS topos online, but I find them cumbersome. Like the various National Map viewers, like http://seamless.usgs.gov/ -- so slow though! Pfly (talk) 03:46, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

These links are awesome! Definitely bookmarking. Shannon^talk _contribs ^sign!_:) 03:50, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Oh, and I see from your peakbagger link that you can get topos of Canada, which you can't with USGS sources. That's useful. Pfly (talk) 03:55, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Yup, it seems to be for the whole North America, good because on google maps and USGS, you can't see Canadian rivers and their names. Shannon^talk _contribs ^sign!_:) 03:57, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

(oh, PS, don't know if you know--I didn't until a day or two ago--you can get a numbered list of articles you've made here, or change the username in the URL to whoever...) Pfly (talk) 04:17, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

hey, interesting! I actually discovered that a few hours ago, coincidence... Shannon^talk _contribs ^sign!_:) 04:58, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

oh no... I was curious so I used that tool to see what pages you had created. I was intending to make the Foss River article for a few months at least but you beat me there, though I remember the time when I beat you to Mount Spickard. Say, do you still have that subpage? I was intending to copy some of that stuff over to the article, if you will approve. Shannon^talk _contribs ^sign!_:) 05:04, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Sure do, its here, User:Pfly/Mount Spickard. I've been meaning to copy over stuff too. We'll see who gets to it first. :-) Might take me a long while to get to it. Pfly (talk) 05:15, 23 September 2009 (UTC)