User talk:Ss112/Archive 17

Demi Lovato "I Love Me"

I do not understand, I am not the person who added about the song being the lead single the second time, after receiving the first alert to not include that information without a verified source. Also, I have sourced a discussion of her tattoo appropriately. Further, I am not the person who called it "an empowerment anthem" or whatever else. I saw that too and thought it was strange. All I have been doing is trying to add reliable information on the song as it is released, and make edits to improve grammar and readability. I do not appreciate your accusations when I am still learning how to provide quality edits and contribute to the Wikipedia community. Update: I just saw now that you have accused me of adding "writer credits" when I did not. You must be confused, and if someone else is editing things anonymously, you can't just assume it is me. All the edits that I have contributed to this page are public and with full intention for reliability. Also there is no need to use foul language with me or have an accusatory tone.HaysonDage (talk) 03:40, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Another update: I have now added that it is a lead single, cause I just read in a Billboard article that it is described as her "first lead single" to a "full-length studio album." I have sourced it appropriately as well. I hope this shows you that I am adding only reliable information with citations. Just please do not assume all edits made on this page are from me. Thank you. HaysonDage (talk) 23:42, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

MJH?

Thoughts? [1] -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:27, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

@Ad Orientem: From the genre-warring almost straight out of the gate on Rihanna and Mariah Carey articles, I would say yes. Ss112 02:31, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Indeffed. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:32, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

YHLQMDLG

I think your edit summary ([2]) in response to BrandNew Jim Zhang seems a bit WP:UNCIVIL. I'm not saying that you meant to do that or whatever, but it could definitely be (mis)construed as such.  Bait30  ^Talk? 08:20, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

@Bait30: Perhaps, but BrandNew Jim Zhang, in their hurry to add the latest Pitchfork review to whichever article, disregards the pre-existing reference style (WP:CITEVAR), adds misformatted dates, uses publisher= where website= or work= should be used, and that's just the start of it. It is far from their first time doing so. I've silently corrected their edits on other articles before, and it was time I said something—whether in a summary or on their talk page, it would have been the same thing. It's just lazy. Ss112 08:24, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

I know, it really is on the verge of being disruptive editing, but like they say, two wrongs don't make a right. Basically, I agree with what you said, but there were probably better ways for you to say it. I don't think it'll be a big deal though. I just wanted to let you know.  Bait30  ^Talk? 08:28, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

I'm sorry to do that because the code was auto-generated by python program. I have mentioned that in edit summary. And if there is a bug in the python program, please open an issue in my GitHub program. I'm working on a project using bots to cite news and add album reviews. -- BrandNew Jim Zhang (talk) 02:42, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Portuguese Certifications.

Hi, some certifications for Portugal have been added to Little Mix’s single pages for both ‘Touch’ and ‘Shout Out To My Ex’, I’ve tried checking their source to assure they’re authentic but the link just will not load for me on any device. I don’t want to assume and remove them without properly checking, so I was wondering if you could quickly take a look as they might work for you?

Hope that won’t be too much hassle, thanks Lmarmy (talk) 19:25, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

@Lmarmy: If memory serves me correctly, I don't think that link has worked for some time. I remember previously clicking on a website with much the same URL for Portuguese certifications last time I was checking the validity of certifications. If they were added recently, I say go ahead and remove them, as they're unverifiable. Ss112 21:34, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back to me. I’ve removed them now. Lmarmy (talk) 22:13, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Can you please build a "Still Flexin, Still Steppin" article?

I saw you built the article for "Music To Be Murdered By" by Eminem. The new NBA YoungBoy album has been out for about two and a half weeks. It was the most streamed album of the week, and it charted 7 different songs onto the Hot 100. Yet it still hasn't gotten an article yet. Was wondering if you could do it. I would do it myself, but I basically don't know how. Nikki Lee 1999 (talk) 08:52, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

@Nikki Lee 1999: Done. In future though, you don't need to go to five different users' talk pages to try and have an article started on it—I'm usually open to suggestions on articles to create, and I think out of the users you did ask, I'm the most receptive to said suggestions. I see you left messages on Damntcsarg and Rangel Carregosa's talk pages, users who frequent pop music topics and thus would be quite unlikely to start an article for a rapper's mixtape. Prefall, from my understanding, is not overly active in music specifically aside from improving Mac Miller's articles. BenKor hasn't edited since last month, Lk95 is unlikely to make an article for a topic somebody else has made a redirect for unless they have an interest in the material themselves, and Fejkxk looks like they only intermittently work on articles they're interested in themselves. So you can just ask me if you want. Ss112 10:12, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks a ton! Didn't know who to ask, so I just looked around. Sorry if I was being disruptive by messaging multiple people. Nikki Lee 1999 (talk) 23:58, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

Reliable sources

Can discogs be used a reliable source? Beatleswillneverdie (talk) 03:49, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

@Beatleswillneverdie: No, as it's user-generated with little oversight (WP:USERG). That means we can't trust what users on there upload, as they could be uploading their own fanmade covers and CD or vinyl artwork. It would be far from the first time this has happened. Ss112 05:25, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

MJH?

Again?[3] -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:56, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

@Ad Orientem: I would say so, with the genre warring on Mariah Carey and other R&B articles, as well as the try-hard British-referencing username. Ss112 03:01, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

ilomilo

What made you delete the article on ilomilo. It explained on why the song was created and how it charted in multiple countries Beatleswillneverdie (talk) 13:15, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

every song on dont smile at me has an article. Why can’t this one too? Beatleswillneverdie (talk) 13:19, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

@Beatleswillneverdie: Fantastic logic. "Every song on this artist's other release has an article, this should too". Basically every song off of Don't Smile at Me is a single. "Ilomilo" isn't on that EP, and it's just an album track. Not every Billie Eilish song needs its own article. And even after @Davidwr: telling you so below, you go and reinstate the link to Ilomilo (Billie Eilish song) on When We All Fall Asleep, Where Do We Go?, copying Sulfurboy's edit summary. I don't think you even know what you're doing. Ss112 17:16, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Additional information: This was recently accepted as an Articles for creation submission, see Ilomilo (Billie Eilish song) and its page history. This means it has been reviewed. After you changed the page to a redirect, the same editor who created the song article, Beatleswillneverdie, created a new AFC submission that is substantially identical at Draft:ilomilo (song). I've requested a history merge. The end result is that both versions will live at Draft:ilomilo (song) for now, leaving the redirect you created intact.

After the history merge is complete, consider working with the original AFC reviewer, Sulfurboy, to determine if this should be accepted or not. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 14:56, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Thank you (talk). Ssr said the article didn’t have enough information when it explained on why it was created and where it charted. I created the new article because I thought the other one was deleted. I added more info on that one. I’m still new to writing articles, so forgive me if I mess up. Beatleswillneverdie (talk) 15:26, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

@Davidwr: Then I believe you should redirect Ilomilo (Billie Eilish song) while Draft:Ilomilo (song) exists. We don't need two copies of the same thing to exist even now. Sulfurboy reinstated the article for Ilomilo, and seems to feel slighted that I redirected something that they accepted through AfC, when it never should have been accepted in the first place. Sulfurboy believes the article passes WP:NSONGS as is when it clearly does not. There is not substantial independent coverage of the song, and the only criteria it may meet is "Has been ranked on national or significant music or sales charts. (Note again that this indicates only that a song may be notable, not that it is notable.)" (emphasis added) Three low chart positions is not clear notability, and that's all this has going for it. The song is an album track, not a single, and has not achieved anything outside of the album. It doesn't need an article. Ss112 17:23, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Then why not also redirect "Listen Before I Go" and "I Love You". They both charted "low" in a lot of countries. "I Love You" has no background, no composition, and nothing else other than a very brief introduction. How come those two didn't get redirected?Beatleswillneverdie/(talk)/(contribs) 15:57, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

@Beatleswillneverdie: They weren't just created, and I didn't click through to their articles. They were made several months ago. Just because other non-notable song articles exist, does not mean we excuse others. You are using weak WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS arguments. Stop making articles on album tracks. Ss112 17:46, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Again, the article on "I Love You" has no info. Why not just redirect that to the album. Beatleswillneverdie/(talk)/(contribs) 16:15, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Sorry if I disrupted your editing

Hello! I live in Sweden and just today thought about trying to add peaks for the singles in week 11. I noticed that I edited at the same time as you and also that you are more experienced, so I just wanted to apologize if I did something wrong or if I disrupted your editing. Its still 13 March 2020 here also so that's why I wrote that access date. I would gladly appreciate some tips also regarding adding peaks, if it was something I missed out on. Also, I'm very impressed by how quick you are adding the peaks, I didn't stand a chance, haha. Have a nice weekend! Zandor (talk) 14:43, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

Just noted you wrote on my talk page. I sincerely apologize for my interfering, I did not mean any harm.

Tracklisting formats

I saw you recently edited the article for Your Life Is a Record so I wanted to invite you to weigh in on a dispute I'm currently having over formatting the tracklisting for it with another editor who created the page and imposed his own 'style' that it apparently clashes with. Would love to have additional feedback on this matter. See: Talk:Your_Life_Is_a_Record CloversMallRat (talk) 05:12, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Another question about which charts to include

Hello again! I was just curious why you removed the Billboard AAA chart single ranking for the song everything i wanted. Was the chart ranking too low on the chart to be added on or possibly a different reason? I can use the same logic then for further singles I edit. Thanks Bikingpadres (talk) 22:23, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

@Bikingpadres: Per WP:USCHARTS, we don't include the Triple A, Adult Alternative or Alternative Songs charts if a song has already appeared on either the Rock Songs or Rock Airplay charts. Ss112 22:41, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

@Ss112: Great to know! Thanks for the info and Wikipedia style page for charts when updating them on an artists page. Bikingpadres (talk) 17:30, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

FYI

Hello S. I got your ping. Thanks for bringing this to AB's attention. Just so you know the instructions for the template used to mention putting them in the ref section. That did get changed but several long term editors can be unaware of that change. We can ask them, politely, to put them at the top of the article but it may take them awhile to get used to doing it differently. Now if we could also get them to stop putting "bare url templates template" inside "multiple issue templates" fixing them would be much easier. Regards. MarnetteD|Talk 03:13, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Question

Hi again. Since one of the areas you focus on is music articles I wonder if you would take a look at this thread Template talk:AllMusic#Set field question. In my work one of the things I encounter from time to time is music articles that have been tagged with a bare url template. I run refill and it says that there are none to fix. When I check further I find an Allmusic template with the "pure url field" set to yes. Of course that displays a bare url in the reference section even though the reference is in a cite template. Then I set the field to "no" like this and the ref displays properly. I am hoping that the template can be changed so that the "no" is the default. That would save some time in fixing bare urls. I know that work goes into creating templates like that so I wouldn't touch them myself for fear of messing them up. If you don't know whether this can be changed or not no worries. Thanks for your time. MarnetteD|Talk 03:48, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Question regarding RS charts

Hello! I have seen on some recent articles that editors are placing projected RS charts in the chart sections. As far as I’m aware of, only finalized charts from RS is fine to use. But WP:RSCHART is only an essay, so just wanted to ask you if I am doing the right thing when removing projected peaks. Thank you in advance. Zandor (talk) 00:58, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

@DariuZzandor: I'm well aware WP:RSCHART is an essay. But the logic is pretty simple: Why would we include a chart that is projected and not final? It's basically speculation until it's final, which we don't do on Wikipedia per WP:SPECULATION. Ss112 05:20, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, I understand that it is logical, just wanted some clarification from an experienced editor that I did the correct thing. Thank you for explaining it to me. Zandor (talk) 11:03, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

3.15.20

Hi, I was the one to replace your precious 300x300px image. I hope that I didn't offend you by replacing the image with the one that are used for the Childish Gambino release. I tried to also add the Donald Glover Presents cover with {{Extra album cover}}, but it got removed. I have uploaded both images on Commons with a 3000x3000px resolution (c:Category:Donald Glover albums). - Premeditated (talk) 11:44, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Should we collapse track listing in articles?

Is it's necessary to collapse track listing in articles because I argued with Nice4What about this, and wondering despite MOS:DONTHIDE says, should this implies to track listings too? TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 21:53, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

@TheAmazingPeanuts: I don't think it's "necessary" in most cases to collapse track lists, and I don't believe we should in most cases per MOS:NOHIDE. I would only argue for collapsing in rare circumstances where there are dozens of editions being listed. Ss112 21:55, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for answering my question. Don't mean to brother you for this, I just wanna hear a second opinion about this issue because of this edit. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 22:02, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

@TheAmazingPeanuts: I'm not getting involved with the ping at the After Hours talk page; it doesn't look it will go anywhere anyway, as Koavf has now removed the collapsed= option from Module:Track listing here (probably because he looked at my edits and saw this thread). If you agree that there are some cases where collapsing should be allowed, then perhaps ask a user with template editor permissions or an admin to revert Koavf. Besides that, he's pointing to a years-old archived thread. I agree in most cases collapsing should not happen, but forcing all to appear is heavy-handed and would need a new consensus. As you're most involved in this matter currently, this is why I'm saying you should ask. Ss112 23:32, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

I'm not looking for you to get revolve in the discussion or anything. I only mentioned you by name because the editor seems to be the only one who disagree with the removal of the collapse list. Again sorry for the ping, I won't don't that again anytime soon. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 23:47, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Hungary

Hello,

So I have a doubt regarding the Hungary charts since there are 4 different of those Template:Single_chart#Non-Billboard_charts. I wonder if in an article we can use them all or we just use the stream when the song doesn't make it into the single charts, and should't the single one be the main instead of the radio? I'm asking you since you edit charts more than anyone else I know on wikipedia and very likely have more experience regarding this, I was even wondering if this works like billboard there is a main and the others are component charts or not, like the hungarian dance or not.

Best regards, MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 15:09, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

@MarioSoulTruthFan: I don't add the Hungarian charts (that's Kirtap92), so I'm not particularly sure. I would think the chart marked the Single Top 40 would take precedence over the radio and streaming charts (due to airplay and streaming figures generally counting towards countries' main charts), and thus neither should be listed when a song already charted on the Single Top 40. As for the dance genre chart, I assume that's fine to list when a song charted on it as we do it for other countries. I do agree that for a country like Hungary, that really isn't that significant in terms of worldwide charts, that four charts is excessive though. Perhaps Kirtap92 can shed more light on which is the primary chart of Hungary. Ss112 15:26, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, I will ask the other user then. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 16:05, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Could an article for Big Bopper discography or for the album "Chantilly Lace" be made?

Not sure if you do work on older music. In general, Wikipedia pages on artists and music from the 1950s and 1960s tend to be very messy. Big Bopper does not have a discography page, and he also doesn't have an organized discography table on his article. Also, the album Chantilly Lace does not have a page. Should articles be made for these types of albums? Or does a lack of sources make that impossible? Nikki Lee 1999 (talk) 18:18, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

@Nikki Lee 1999: You're right, pages on music from and before the '60s can get quite messy and strangely formatted, but this also may reflect the availability of sources on such old material—if there's not as much information, it's likely there's not as many editors interested in the material or around to clean up the articles and thus contribute to them, as there's not a lot to do. From what I've just found, the Big Bopper only had five or so songs chart on the Hot 100, and he appears to have had no albums appear on the Billboard 200 (unless Billboard's archives are lacking when it comes to '50s and '60s data on charting albums, which is a possibility). If the album did indeed chart despite Billboard's lack of said information, or there are sources beyond listings of the album at music archive websites like Discogs and AllMusic (which there doesn't appear to be a lot from a simple Google search), then the album may be notable. In the end though, I'm leaning towards no—it doesn't appear to stand out as a classic of rock, and really only appears to have been the album the much more popular song is from. As for his discography, while I'm sure what is on his article now could be expanded, I'm not sure how much given the lack of charting or an extensive history of records after his death compared to other artists from the time. Ss112 19:33, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Billboard 200 did not really exist in its current form until 1967. So that might be the reason. Before 1967 might be classified differently in the album archives.

Understandable that it would lack sources, since it is so old. The most I could probably request is that his page get a standard discography table, instead of a janky bulleted list with details in parenthesis. Sorry if it sounds lazy of me to not do it myself, but I'm generally inexperienced with tables and formatting. Nikki Lee 1999 (talk) 01:46, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Independent Albums Chart

Hello – Sarah Close's debut album debuted at number 16 on the UK Independent Albums Chart this week, is this something that can be included on the discography table? Thank you – DarkGlow (talk) 10:03, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

@DarkGlow: Sure, done! Ss112 10:18, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

That was quick. Thank you! – DarkGlow (talk) 10:20, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Full ARIA 100 Single Chart?

Hi. I'm aware that the ARIA Chart Watch publishing the full 100 Australian singles was abolished a couple of weeks ago, but I recently stumbled upon top100singles.net which somehow still continues to obtain the full list of 100 (I'm assuming that the website is a third party source and that they have to be getting this info from somewhere else). It could very well be the same chart because it includes the correct first 50 entries from the official chart at ariacharts.com. One can also prove that the website is reliable by comparing the 2019 list of singles and their peaks (50-100) to the ones in the ARIA Chart Watch. heyitsben!! ^talk 09:48, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

@HeyitsBen: Top100singles is a blog set up by a user of australian-charts.com. I don't doubt that the information is accurate, but it's not a reliable source. It previously had Blogspot in its web address, so obviously uses that software. Ss112 11:16, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for consistently updating charts to everything. I'm in the process of compiling more discographies for idol-related anime series and have been pleasantly surprised to see you updating them too. I'm grateful for your work. lullabying (talk) 01:31, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Just letting you know I set up discographies for Idolish7 and my next goal is to work on discographies for A3!, Ensemble Stars!, and The Idolmaster: SideM. Thank you for your assistance. lullabying (talk) 19:56, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Jessie J- R.O.S.E Album

Hi sorry to bother you but I’ve noticed you’ve updated a lot of artists discography pages. As I’m doing the same haha. I was curious to know if you were able to see if you can find any info on if Jessie J’s R.O.S.E album charted anywhere? I tried searching but evidently had no luck. I just thought that was quite odd since she’s very well known in the UK & Europe. Pillowdelight (talk) 11:21, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

@Pillowdelight: I can't find any evidence of it charting on any UK component charts or even the Scottish albums chart—she's had a few years of very little to no chart success, and I'm honestly not so sure what occurred to change her fortunes either. Ss112 01:15, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Oh wow. I just thought It was so odd she didn’t chart anywhere! Pillowdelight (talk) 02:02, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Request

On BlocBoy JB's page, it states that "Rover" peaked at number 24 on the Bubbling Under Hot 100 chart. However, I am having trouble finding his Billboard chart history page. Could you help me? Thanks in advance! 2019AlwaysLit (talk) 01:18, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

@2019AlwaysLit: According to https://www.billboard.com/charts/search?artistname=BlocBoy+JB&chartcode=HBU, "Rover" didn't chart ("Rover 2.0" did, however). Ss112 02:17, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks!2019AlwaysLit (talk) 17:17, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Could you also see if you could find BlocBoy's history on Bubbling Under Hot r&B/Hip hop singles? 2019AlwaysLit (talk) 17:18, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

@2019AlwaysLit: Per https://www.billboard.com/charts/search?artistname=BlocBoy+JB&chartcode=HBU, he's only had two entries on the Bubbling Under R&B chart, and one of those was as a featured artist on "Hard". Ss112 01:05, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Ok, I added Shoot's chart history to his page. Thanks! 2019AlwaysLit (talk) 01:07, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Swedish charts

Hello! Just wanted to inform you that the Swedish charts for week 15 has already been published, I think due to easter. I just added the peaks for one Jireel song and one Eínar song, since I added the singles beforehand. I leave the rest for you though. Have a nice day, DariuZzandor 20:04, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

@DariuZzandor: Thanks, I wouldn't have noticed until later. Ss112 22:31, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Outside (Burna Boy album)

Hi Ss112
Hope all is well on your end? I added sources to the Outside (Burna Boy album) article using the default cite web template. Instead of utilizing the template's |last and |first fields, I used the |author field to list the author's name. I'd like to know if there is some kind of automated tool that can convert |author into |last and |first, similar to what you did here. Would you be able to help me with the conversion if there is an automated tool? I'd appreciate a response, thanks.  Versace1608  ^{Wanna Talk?} 01:32, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

@Versace1608: I'm not too sure, as I don't use scripts or automated tools. AWB might do it, but you might have to ask someone who does use automated tools or scripts. I know @Jennica: once did something like this. Ss112 01:56, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. I am going to leave a message on Jennica's talk page.  Versace1608  ^{Wanna Talk?} 14:51, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

First Man (Camila Cabello song)

Hey Ss112
I was wondering if you could move First Man (Camila Cabello song) to First Man (song) as there is no need to specify who's song it is when their is only one article about a song that title.
Thanks, LOVI33 (talk) 13:20, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

@LOVI33:  Done Ss112 13:49, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks LOVI33 (talk) 14:51, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Talk:TikTok#Should we make a TikTok songs list article?

Feel free to weigh in or comment on my idea here. heyitsben!! ^talk 11:21, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Be well

Wishing you a peaceful and stress free (in so far as is possible in these times) Wikibreak. Take what time you need and come back when you are ready. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:15, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

I hope you stay safe Ss112. Please get some well needed rest. You are vital to Wikipedia and I hope you are able to overcome whatever it is you're going through.  Versace1608  ^{Wanna Talk?} 17:55, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Just wanted to add in and wish you all the best, hope you're getting better soon. DariuZzandor 20:17, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Best wishes from me as well. Hope to see you around again. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 03:33, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

VNV Nation, Noire (album)

Hi, I was looking to add some information for the "Noire" album by VNV Nation, but have seen that redirects were put in place back in October 2018 by yourself to the VNV Nation discography. As the album was only released in October 2018, the same time as the redirects were added, I wasn't sure whether there was deletion/redirect discussion and request for this, as I wasn't able to find anything of this nature. Would you have any objections to me undoing the redirect for "Noire (album)" and creating a proper album page, with reviews and details, etc.? Thank you - Missbarbell (talk) 14:04, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi Missbarbell. Ss112 is taking some time away from the project and may not respond in a timely manner to messages left here. He asked me to keep an eye on his talk page. If you think you have enough material to replace a redirect with an article that meets our notability guidelines, go ahead. Best regards... -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:25, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

P.S. Thank you for checking in and asking first. Courtesy of that sort goes a long ways. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:30, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

Many thanks for following up. I saw above that Ss112 was taking some time away, so wasn't expecting an answer any time soon. Thank you - Missbarbell (talk) 17:11, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

Stay safe

Hi SS112, Just noticed that I haven't come across your edits recently and seen the "semi-retired" on your page. All aside from our crossovers in articles in the past, from one Australian to another, I wish you good safety in the current times and good health. Good luck --Mjs1991 (talk) 07:49, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Let me use language not appropriate for WP – WTF?

Ss112, really....and your User page is virtually gone, too? In my COVID-19-trying-to-stay-at-home, I was listening to J-Hope's "Chicken Noodle Soup" again, after again....and checked the page to see about the original song it was sampled from....then I checked the page creator and it was you...of course....how much music have you absorbed in your short lifetime?

I don't know what's going on with you man, just remember you have a lot of fans and support here on WP.....hey...you are the Man!

Not trying to be cute, but you know how much you are valued here. I hope the very best for you and hope you are well......and most of all....remember this is your home. Miss you.--Bonnielou2013 (talk) 11:23, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Already missing you

Ss112, You must know I already miss you personally and miss your tireless Wikipedia contributions in music very very very dearly indeed. I feel I already lost a brother who really cared about music all over the world. A unique Wikipedia contributor of immense profound value almost uncomparable to thousands of editors put together. For me, Wikipedia Music is divided into two: Wikipedia with Ss112 and Wikipedia post-Ss112. Specially effected will be all non-UK non-USA artists worldwide who needed so much your coverage and updated pages. I am also so tired of Wikipedia, exactly as you, and may follow suit. Here a personal song dedication to you for all your work. What a fine young man. werldwayd (talk) 00:31, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Me too

I'll miss you as well S. I did want you to see this bit of wonders never ceasing. Thanks for all your work here over the years. My best wishes to you and yours. Stay safe and well. MarnetteD|Talk 03:28, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Thank you for the suggestions on editing discographies. I will adhere to your suggestions. Thanks again. Night Time (talk) 02:06, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Teamwork Barnstar
	Thank you. I will take note. Night Time (talk) 02:18, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Your RFPP for "List of Gaon..."

I saw your posting at RFPP on these articles. Given that protection will expire (unless it's made permanent), given that the editor has been persistent for many months, and given that you are semi-retired, I've added these pages to my watchlist to prevent the disruption in the future. --Hammersoft (talk) 15:43, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	For the effort put in creating BadBadNotGood discography. Thanks! Robertgombos (talk) 13:19, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Your report

I have range blocked 199.7.159.0/25 and 208.98.223.0/25 x 3 months for block evasion. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:05, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

In a Dream

Hello! Sorry to bother. Could you fix this article? In a Dream (EP) Rangel Carregosa (talk) 04:34, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Big thanks!

Thanks for cleaning up the S&M2 article!  Bait30  ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 16:22, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

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Heaven & Hell (Ava Max album)

Hello! I'm sorry to bother you. Could you fix the singles from Heaven & Hell (Ava Max album)? Rangel Carregosa (talk) 06:53, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

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Help.

Hello. I found Miley album and single sales and i want to add them on wikipedia discgraphy but i dont know how to work with rowspan etc and that kinda things. https://web.archive.org/web/20150924055350/http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/1849956/ask-billboard-any-news-on-britney-spears-new-album?page=0%2C3 thank u! — Preceding unsigned comment added by OMG4323 (talk • contribs) 12:05, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Amaia and Afred discography

Hello, thanks for creating: Amaia discography and Alfred García discography. Can you create Ana Guerra discography? Ana is one of also having a successful career. You can watch it from here: Anexo:Discografía de Ana Guerra

Thank you very much.--87.223.61.71 (talk) 17:10, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

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I do not mean that. I mean to create an article of your discography like that of Aitana, Alfred or Amaia. Greetings.--87.223.98.160 (talk) 22:54, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

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Good. I've already done it. Now you just need to create Template:Ana Guerra to place it at the end of the article. But I can't do it, because I'm not registered. Greetings.--87.223.98.160 (talk) 23:35, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your messages, but in case you missed it, there is a note at the top of my talk page saying please approach other editors with editing requests. I really don't wish to create articles upon request anymore. Besides, Ana Guerra doesn't have any articles to link to besides one song. There's not enough to create a navigational template for—see WP:NENAN—so I will not be creating it. If you have anything to request beyond this point, please approach another editor. Thanks. Ss112 02:50, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Just so you know

Hey. Just so you know, no one wants Draft:Confetti (Little Mix album) more in the mainspace then me. But, the article can’t be moved into the mainspace for right now. According to reviewers, the article needs reliable sources (✅), detailed album reviews (on our way there) and charting (❌). It’s probably gonna be at least another week before the article is moved, as charts for the album won’t start to come until the week after the album is released. I promise as soon as the requirements are met I will be pressing the "submit for review" button. Thanks! D🐶ggy54321 ^{(let's chat!)} 13:18, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

@Doggy54321: Charting has never been a requirement for an album article to exist or be notable. If it were, we would never have articles for upcoming albums on Wikipedia, but yet, we have plenty. There have been historically significant albums that never charted. You don't need to follow the draft reviewers' recommendations to the T; I've seen those same editors deny countless upcoming album articles with the same rhetoric that they think charting is a requirement based on WP:NALBUMS saying charting is an "indication" of notability. I know you started the draft, but by all accounts, the sixth album by a well-known girl group that is guaranteed to make the UK album chart top 10, if not top 5, is a surefire guarantee to be notable from inception, and if I were you, I would have created it in the mainspace to begin with. I've asked for the article to be moved already. I don't know if it will be, but I also don't think in this case there is anything to wait for when we already have substantial news coverage and reviews. Ss112 13:54, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Also, having an article for an album stuck in draftspace when a lot of people will be searching for information on it in the first week of its release is doing a disservice to readers and a potential audience. You really should want it approved ASAP. If you still disagree, fine, I don't want a back-and-forth here. All I'm saying is, you don't need to follow draft reviewers' recommendations or wait it out when what they disapproved your draft for has already been fulfilled. Ss112 14:03, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

I did create the article in the mainspace on September 16 (the day the album was announced), but the next day it got moved to draftspace and I’ve just been editing it from there. I do think it’s time for the article to go to mainspace. If you could submit it when you see fit, that would be great as the last time I submitted it, the reviewer warned me, accused me of paid editing etc, and basically said "if you submit again without significant improvement you will get a topic ban/partial block from Little Mix articles" and I’m not trying to do that as Little Mix is my favourite band. What’s more is the Confetti (Little Mix album) has been admin-protected until 23:00 UTC tonight as there were editors adding the same content from the draft article to the main article, and I kept reverting them, and it was treated as an edit war/content dispute. It wasn’t that at all but I’m not tryna argue with that because it expires in less than 12 hours. Do what you want with this info. D🐶ggy54321 ^{(let's chat!)} 14:04, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Definitely agree that it will be an inconvenience to viewers as well. We seem to be on the same page. D🐶ggy54321 ^{(let's chat!)} 14:05, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

@Doggy54321: Right, apologies, I missed that you initially created it in mainspace but it was moved into draftspace. That reviewer's warning sounds particularly unreasonable, to throw out accusations of paid editing based on interest in a topic. I wouldn't worry too much, it's obviously preventative BS. If I could've moved it already, I definitely would have, but it's admin-protected. I've asked for Anthony Appleyard to move it, that's the quickest route to having it in mainspace. Ss112 14:10, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks so much. Long story short - User:DarkGlow got in contact with me since they can accept drafts. Unfortunately, they aren’t a page mover nor an admin. I resubmitted the draft and it’s pending review. If you can get in contact with Anthony Appleyard, please ask them to delete Confetti (Little Mix album) and remove all page protections. As soon as they do this, let me know, ASAP. I’ll ask DarkGlow to accept the draft, and then they can move it to the mainspace since the page won’t be there. I’ll get in contact with the admin Valereee, they’re awake at this time and I’ve asked them for help before, so let’s hope one of our plans works! D🐶ggy54321 ^{(let's chat!)} 18:23, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Confetti

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'...Baby One More Time' / 'Oops!... I Did It Again' name changes

I saw your edits on Positions (album) and thought it was the right move removing the note at the top of the page. There are currently discussions going on about whether the Britney Spears albums ...Baby One More Time and Oops!... I Did It Again should be moved:

• ...Baby One More Time (album) → ...Baby One More Time
• Oops!... I Did It Again (album) → Oops!... I Did It Again

I'd love for you to voice your opinion there. Thank you. Whitevenom187 (talk) 22:41, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

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List of Billboard number-one country songs of 2020

Hi Ss112!

When one or other of my existing FLCs, I intend to nominate List of Billboard number-one country songs of 2020 next. As you have also been a significant contributor to the article, I was planning on naming you as a co-nominator and just wanted to check that you are cool with that :- All the best, ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:05, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

@ChrisTheDude: Yep, I'm cool with that. All the best with the nomination. Ss112 12:58, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the ARIA End of Year charts

Hey there, I just wanted to say thanks for adding the ARIA End of year charts to the top 100 songs/albums. As per most weeks, your updated peak positions are excellent.

Question, were you intending on adding the end of year chart positions for the Australian Artists as well or would you like me to help you out? I was going to add the end of year positions for those and for country and jazz /blues abound as well, if they have articles.

Thanks. Tobyjamesaus (talk) 02:33, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

@Tobyjamesaus: No, the main ones were all I was planning to do, so you can go ahead and do those if you want. If it's what you meant, I'm just not sure the Australian Artists charts are all that relevant if the song/album already made the main charts, as it is probably considered a component chart, just filtering out non-Australian artists. If the UK or US had a comparable chart, I'm sure it wouldn't be looked at as very relevant in those instances. If the release didn't make the main top 100 year-end for either singles or albums it's all good though. Ss112 07:11, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Hey, cool. I get what you mean about relevance. I’ll only add Aus Artist charts to those songs/albums that didn’t feature in the overall top 100 then. Cheers. Tobyjamesaus (talk) 08:56, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

@Tobyjamesaus: I realised after this that it didn't really apply to many anyway. I counted and there were only 10 Australian songs in the top 100 year-end songs, basically half by Tones and I, and 23 Australian albums in the top 100 year-end albums. Ss112 20:38, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Dove Cameron discography

Hello – long time no see The other day, an IP hastily rearranged Dove Cameron discography. They moved all of her pre-2019 releases to promotional singles, which is technically correct since they were releases from soundtracks, but I believe they have discarded a bunch of charting and certification information. Would you be able to look into it when you have spare time? Thank you! – DarkGlow (✉) 12:53, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

@DarkGlow: I reverted the whole thing, it looked hasty and not very well thought through. The editor left the chart positions that were already in the promotional singles section but only changed the column names, making it look like several of Dove's songs had reached number 1 in France. I'm sure it wasn't intentional, but it's already rare for English songs to top the chart in France. For Dove it'd be basically impossible. Ss112 13:36, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Oh lord, I didn't even notice that, thank you – I'll perform the correct move, should be easy to do if I just remove her newer singles and create a new table for them. – DarkGlow (✉) 13:41, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

@DarkGlow: Oh, I already forgot the part where you said you'll move her pre-2019 singles. I'll move it, if you like? Ss112 13:43, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

If you want to, yes! I'm sure you can work it out, but everything from "Bloodshot" are her singles. – DarkGlow (✉) 13:45, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

@DarkGlow: Done! Do you want to change the soundtrack song articles linked from Dove's template that are called singles to promo (in the infobox) to be consistent with her discography? Ss112 13:59, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Are you referring to amending the "next" and "last" parameters in the infoboxes, or the actual infobox layout? For example, how It's Goin' Down (Descendants song) is a different infobox to If Only (Dove Cameron song). – DarkGlow (✉) 14:08, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

@DarkGlow: I meant more so amending all the related articles. "If Only" is still referred as a single on its own article and the Descendants film/soundtrack article, and "Ways to Be Wicked" is still called a single (and not a promo single) from Descendants 2. Ss112 14:10, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

I hope I'm understanding correctly – in regards to If Only (Dove Cameron song), would we remove the singles chronology since it's not a Cameron single, or would we change the next single to her next chronological promotional single? Also, I hate to break this to you but I've just remembered her discography article. These same changes will need to be made to Sofia Carson discography. – DarkGlow (✉) 14:15, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

@DarkGlow: Yeah, we would remove the chronologies. We mostly just don't include chronologies for promotional singles at all, AFAIK. As for Carson's discography, perhaps only one single would need to be moved? Ss112 14:43, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

I can remove the chronologies, that's fine. On Carson's page, I can see a few promotional singles – Rotten to the Core, Ways to be Wicked, Chillin like a Snowman, and Good to be Bad. – DarkGlow (✉) 14:46, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

@DarkGlow: You seem like you have more of an idea than I do about which of Carson's singles are promos, so I'll leave that up to you. I mostly try to stay away from arguing over what's a single and what's a promotional single—it's one of the most common and repeated arguments in music here and there's no formal consensus on the matter because everyone has different ideas on what constitutes one. Ss112 15:06, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

I think I've done it? Was unsure about the charting information on the promotional singles though. – DarkGlow (✉) 15:25, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

@DarkGlow: Looks fine to me! Ss112 15:56, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Hey – just a quick query. Someone changed the infobox styling on If Only (Dove Cameron song) to "promotional single", and then it was changed back. The infobox now says "Single by Dove Cameron" – while it is a single for the Descendants franchise, it is not a single for Cameron. What can be done about this? – DarkGlow (contribs • talk) 17:53, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

@DarkGlow: You should have just reverted them outright. They changed the infobox to "infobox single", which is deprecated. Ss112 18:18, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for informing me, I had no idea! – DarkGlow (contribs • talk) 18:20, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

This

Hello again – "This" by Megan McKenna charted at 29 in Scotland when released as a promo single in 2019. It is now being released as a mainstream single, so should the chart position have an efn note to explain that it charted in 2019 as a promo single or not? – DarkGlow (contribs • talk) 15:35, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

@DarkGlow: It's not necessary or very common to specify that. I've usually seen that moreso for albums that chart with re-releases years later rather than singles charting when they were album tracks or promo singles before they were "promoted" to full singles. Ss112 15:38, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, I thought when I originally moved it that it would be unnecessary to add it, but after someone just removed the chart position, I thought I'd ask. Thanks! – DarkGlow (contribs • talk) 15:46, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Billboard Latin charts guideline amended

Hey there Ss112, just wanted to let you know that the guideline for using Billboard's Latin charts was changed last September. The Latin Airplay chart can be used on any article from October 2012 onwards because it is not a component of the Hot Latin Songs and its subcharts be used be used as long as it hasn't already ranked on other Billboard genre charts. Here is the link to the discussion. Erick (talk) 15:07, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

@Magiciandude: Why are the Latin subcharts now allowed to be listed if a song has not ranked on other genre charts? I skimmed the linked discussion and I still don't understand. What is the logic here? What is more significant about ranking on other genre charts that would mean we should not list Latin subcharts? Ss112 15:29, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

To sum it up the best I can: Because Billboard defines "Latin music" as any music predominately sung in Spanish, thus the song's actual genre is not being factored to the Hot Latin Songs chart. As mentioned before, the Latin Airplay is not a component chart of the Hot Latin Songs because any song, regardless of language or genre, can rank on the chart. So you have two charts that aren't technically "genre" charts in a traditional sense. That's where the Latin subcharts come in and, as mentioned in the discussion, Latin music is a genre with distinct fields. Songs that rank on the Regional Mexican Airplay have little-to-nothing in common with songs that rank on the Latin Rhythm Airplay chart. The not ranking on other Billboard genre charts was simply my compromise, but I'm also considering Starcheers's advice and allow no limitations with them and make it being case-by-case like on Despacito. EDIT: The previous guideline before the discussion treated the subcharts as though all music in Spanish sounds the same. The discussion may have been archived, but I'm still open to suggestion on how to handle these subcharts. Erick (talk) 15:40, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

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Pale Waves - Who Am I?

Hello @Ss112, I would like to thank you for defending me and helping me get my article on the album Who Am I? approved. It was especially frustrating doing what exactly editors told me to do such as adding reviews and they still declined it and moved the goalposts to increasingly absurd degrees. I've had a horrible experience in the past with AfC and the only article that I have managed to get approved by the stubborn morons at AfC is Dalia Gebrial. I am still waiting on my apology from @Robert McClenon and I expect I will be waiting a long time.
Srodgers170120:50, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

@Srodgers1701: Yes, Robert McClenon has stated at the thread he started on you at WP:COIN that he will not be apologising because he doesn't believe he did anything wrong. It was probably naive of me to expect someone stubborn enough to threaten topic bans, blocks, and launch investigations of paid editing would believe they overreacted or assumed bad faith. As I said at the COIN thread though, it's a great disservice to the encouragement we should be giving to new editors who submit topics through AfC that Robert represents the kind of standard of editors reviewing AfC drafts. I can't imagine how many editors have been turned away or discouraged from further editing because they made the mistake of going this route to have an article published in mainspace. Anyway Srodgers, I would encourage you going forward to just make the article yourself in your userspace or if a redirect exists for it, to expand it directly in mainspace. AfC needs a better standard of reviewers. Ss112 05:10, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

French Singles Chart

Hello Ss112, I hope all is well with you. Due to your experience with and knowledge of music record charts, I have a question for you regarding the SNEP French Singles chart, thanks to a rather odd thing I noticed recently. In June 2018, I added a reference to the article Ocean (Goldfrapp song), claiming that it reached a number 191 peak on May 26, 2018. Recently, I have been revisiting old articles I've contributed to, and this morning, I noticed that the position is no longer listed on the song's official profile. I am 99.9% sure that this information has been removed, and I do not understand why. I have spent a decent amount of time searching through the Wayback Machine and other articles trying to find any evidence of this peak. 05/26/18 is a legit published issue of the chart, although a different song is listed at #191. I have considered that perhaps I made an error, but I really don't think I would have done such a thing in this case. So my question is, on the French chart, have you ever noticed works with revised or removed chart positions over time? And if so, how would you properly convey this information in a Wikipedia article? Because I'm stumped. Thanks, Carbrera (talk) 16:14, 18 February 2021 (UTC).

@Carbrera: Hey. I'd forgotten about this, but a preface to this was the fact that for a couple of years after streaming became the dominant form of music consumption in the mid-2010s worldwide, France still did not have an official songs chart (as published by SNEP) that combined download and streaming data. Although they introduced a streaming chart a bit later, for a while, editors here (including myself) used the Télécharges (Downloads) chart as the de facto main chart, and lescharts.com used this for a while too. (Some editors, usually unregistered ones, took issue and tried to insist we should use the Streaming chart as it was more accurate.) SNEP later introduced the Megafusion chart (as it was called at the time, now it's just "Top Singles") that combined both downloads and streams, so editors here started using that, but I believe lescharts.com was still using the Downloads chart data for a while after SNEP introduced the Megafusion chart. As I understand it, whoever compiles the data for lescharts.com later went back and retroactively adjusted their chart data for the preceding while to SNEP's data that combined both downloads and streams, so quite a number of songs that entered due to download sales did not rank on the final download and streaming chart and thus disappeared off the lescharts.com database.

Edit: So I've just gone back and looked, and it looks like SNEP's database for the Megafusion/Top Singles chart starts the week after you're talking about. The link for Week 22 is active, while week 21 (the week you're referring to) isn't. I believe before they changed the layout of their website, SNEP had the Megafusion/Top Singles data for this week up, but it's evidently been taken down for some unknown reason. Whatever the case, whether lescharts.com has also been privy to some retroactive stream+download information from SNEP that was not actually publicly available on SNEP's website or not, it wouldn't help much for the problem here, as I think you'd probably find "Ocean" by Goldfrapp wouldn't be on the week 21 chart on SNEP's website due to it being the combined data. Ss112 18:44, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much for explaining it out in detail – it makes sense to me now. That's a very interesting and unfortunate situation for songs like "Ocean" that peaked closer to #200. Carbrera (talk) 15:54, 19 February 2021 (UTC).

Hüsker Dü - Savage Young Dü

Hello. I was wondering if it's possible to remove your redirect for the Savage Young Dü article (which was redirected to Hüsker Dü discography)? The revision history doesn't have much information. If possible, I would like to create the article. OttoJohn (talk) 21:39, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

@OttoJohn: Well, we don't pre-emptively "remove" redirects. Create the article as a draft or as a draft in your userspace, then request it be moved. Ss112 22:10, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks so much for your reply. I'll create a draft. OttoJohn (talk) 11:16, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Revelación

Hey, we have an issue with some users putting down the article Revelación. I tagged you in my talk page to see what you think about it. You can see the article here Draft:Revelación. Thanks in advance. Anonpediann (talk) 19:50, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

@Anonpediann: I would just wait until the history of the mainspace article is merged with the draft's history. When that happens, I'll approve the draft myself and move it over to mainspace as it's definitely a notable topic with an imminent release. I understand it's an annoying situation, and I see you weren't the first editor to create content at the redirect that was left behind when Revelación was moved to the draftspace, but all the contributions should have gone there so the history merge and all that didn't have to occur. Even AngusWOOF is saying at your talk page after the merge it can be prepared for the move. So it shouldn't take that long until it's back on track and in mainspace either way. Ss112 23:14, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

@Ss112: thank you so much! I completed the article with more information in a sandbox, should I wait for the article to be approved or should I add it to the draft now? In case it causes conflict or something. Anonpediann (talk) 01:40, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

@Anonpediann: You can definitely edit the draft. Nobody's going to stop you from doing that. I'd add the sources that were maybe in the mainspace article and any other news sources you can find on it, then maybe later I'll move it over to mainspace. I don't agree that we need to wait for reviews of an album for it to be notable. I already see enough coverage on this topic because it's Gomez's first Spanish-language project. The editors who patrol drafts who say that very well know there are plenty of future albums (e.g. albums several months from release) that have articles that are notable, and they're not worried about those. Ss112 01:51, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your help! Everything seems solved now but I really appreciate your support. Whatever you need that I could help you with (I guess not a lot hehe) tell me. Anonpediann (talk)

Thank you!

Thank you for correcting my mistake with your edit of Mogwai's non-album singles layout. CharlesTStokes (talk) 08:30, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

Request to clarify chart position

Hello! I've left a request for you at Talk:Frock4Life, if you're willing to take a quick look. Either way, happy editing! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 00:35, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for investigating. I hope this edit clarifies the wording a bit. If you have any other suggestions for this sentence, please let me know, otherwise thanks again! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:14, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you

Hi SS112, thanks for the barnstar you left on my talk page. The constructive criticism you've given over time has indeed helped out; everybody needs to show a bit more LOVE rather than HATE when it comes to that kind of thing.--Majash2020 (talk) 04:27, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you from me too, SS112! I greatly appreciate your assistance as I am only new and only learning. I also love your message of showing LOVE rather than HATE. --Voblercobbler (talk) 07:40, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Here I Come (Fergie song) single?

Hi Ss112, hope all is well with you. I have a question regarding Here I Come being either a single or a promo single. For the longest time the song has been shown as a promo single but several months ago someone had changed it, I changed it back to promo. Now a few days ago the user Status reverted it back to single with wanting a source... but the source that lists the song being released in Australia and New Zealand as a single or promo single don’t really say much at all to me. The song only charted in Australia, New Zealand, and in the US. It charted in the US on the bubbling under in 2007 but the source states 2008 for Australia... I found 2 sources that state it as a promo single but I’m not quite sure on the reliability tho, they both state it being released for Australia but in 2007. [4] [5]. Just curious on what you would recommend for this?

Thanks! Pillowdelight (talk) 18:45, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

@Pillowdelight: Hey there. This is really something that needs to be hashed out at Talk:The Dutchess (as that would probably get more attention than Talk:Here I Come (Fergie song)). Maybe start a discussion there and ping Status about the page history and the sources you found. Per Wikipedia:Singles criteria, this could really go either way. I noticed just now that the prose of the article still reads "The song was released as a promotional single on January 19, 2008 to digital retailers in Australia, New Zealand, and the United States, among other territories", so whatever the case, it should be made consistent when a decision is made by consensus. Personally, I agree that on the face of it that it looks like it's mostly promotional, but I don't know many promotional singles that have spent 11 weeks on a national music chart...maybe it was released in Australia as a digital single? I noticed that there's already a section at Talk:The Dutchess#Here I Come where two users note it received airplay in Australia and was, in their opinion, the next single. That's something to note in the next discussion. Ss112 00:14, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Future Nostalgia

If this is about the Brazilian certifications, here is the source https://twitter.com/warnermusicbr/status/1375817131439267852?s=21. I am not sure how to add it as a source so I am open for suggestions :D. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Darkb0und (talk • contribs) 13:32, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

@Darkb0und: No, it was about the Portuguese chart. You changed the peak to 1, but the source only says 2. I explained this in my revert. As for the Brazilian certification, record labels are not considered reliable sources for certifications or sales. Labels cannot claim something is certified; only the certifying agency can do this themselves. Labels have historically been known to inflate sales and claim things that are unverifiable, like the sales of Elvis Presley, Michael Jackson and so on. Per WP:TWITTER, we cannot use the label to make a claim about somebody else. We can only use them as a source for uncontentious claims about themselves. Ss112 13:43, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

@Ss112: Oh, that. Here is the source: https://www.audiogest.pt/uploads/files/file_2021-04-08-15-43-27.pdf. Should be properly cited now.

@Darkb0und: GfK is not the publisher of the recognised official charts in Portugal (Associação Fonográfica Portuguesa is), so we shouldn't use their charts. Ss112 15:26, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

@Ss112: That information doesn't come from GfK. The heading of the file says "TOP AFP/AUDIOGEST". AFP is Associação Fonográfica Portuguesa. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Darkb0und (talk • contribs) 15:28, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

@Darkb0und: Whatever, they're still collating the data on behalf of the AFP. Regardless, it's no use showing me these sources. You should be citing them when you add or change the information on the articles per WP:V. Users should not have to ask you where you got information from, you should be citing it in the article. If you don't know how to, sorry, but it's my view that it's not other users' responsibility to teach you—you should either know how or not do it unless you can correctly cite the external source you got it from. Ss112 15:31, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

@Ss112: I understand what you are saying so now the citation has been changed. The issue here had more to the with the timely update of portuguesecharts.com, the standard source for Portugal on wikipedia, than with a wrong external source. Portuguesecharts.com provides the same information as Audiogest (compare the charts for previous weeks), but the site hasn't caught up to the most recent data. Once it's updated, it will show the same rankings. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Darkb0und (talk • contribs) 16:33, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

@Darkb0und: I'm well aware that portuguesecharts.com has not updated with week 13's data yet, but information needs to be verifiable at the time you add it, or you need to be 100% sure the site is imminently updating, as in within the hour, before anybody else could reasonably have an objection. As this is not one of those cases, because portuguesecharts.com is not on a regular schedule of when it updates, then you need to provide the source at the time you add it. Sorry, but WP:V this is not negotiable. Also, when leaving a talk page message, please sign your posts with four tildes (~~~~). Also, you do not need to use the "re" template for me; this is my talk page and I would be notified if you left me a message anyway. Thanks. Ss112 16:39, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

ARIA accreditations

Hi Ss112, do you know any source we can use here in Wikipedia for ARIA accreditations from March 2021? A lot of Celine Dion's albums got certified in March 2021 but I can't find any reliable source. Thanks in advance :) Max24 (talk) 18:47, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

@Max24: Nope, I'm not aware of any place to reliably source ARIA album certifications for albums not in the chart. Maybe ARIA will come back with a better year-by-year archive for single and album certifications, but I'm not holding my breath. Ss112 17:21, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

@Max24: I was writing to Ss112 about something else and saw this message. I have been in touch with ARIA regarding their accreditations. In December last year, they emailed me telling "We are developing a new accreditation system to roll out on our websites later this year", which of course hasn't happened (yet). However, I was sent an excel document of ARIA accreditations for 2020 (up to December 2020) and it includes numerous updates not reflected on wikipedia, (for example multiple Queen (band) single updates). I have suggested ARIA come up with some sort of portal whereby people can search for an artist/song/album and see any accreditation, which they said they'd take on board, but I too am not holding my breath.Tobyjamesaus (talk) 04:51, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

ARIA chart updates 51-100 for April 2021

Hey Ss112, I love your work. I saw there were a few Australian artists who had albums debut on the ARIA Australian Artist Chart for the weeks commencing 5 April 2021 and 12 April 2021 and I was thinking they "might" have made the overall top 100 (somewhere between 51-100). I have just created stub articles for Civic (band), Stepson (band) and Pipe-Eye (aka Cook Craig). If you have information regarding any chart positions you could add to these articles, that would be awesome. Thanks in advance.Tobyjamesaus (talk) 04:42, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

@Tobyjamesaus: I recall all of them charting. Will add them now. Ss112 05:41, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

En gång i tiden

Hi!!! Lately I've been working on Draft:En gång i tiden (Del 2), and I'd like that you could help me to make it more complete and reliable, thank you very much!!! MikaelEmanuelsson (talk) 10:04, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

@MikaelEmanuelsson: I've moved the article to mainspace. I don't know how much more I could contribute to the article, but I do believe it's a notable topic. Also, please don't upload album covers to Commons unless they're only text or simple geometrical shapes. As album covers are copyrighted and Commons only allows free media or media below the threshold of originality, you need to upload the majority of covers directly to Wikipedia. Ss112 10:43, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Need your help again :)

Hello!!! I've been working on this article Libertad (Agoney album) and I would lime to ask you for some help, the album peaked n1 in Spain (see elportaldemusica.es), and had some critical reception, which I'm struggling to, I don't know why all the edits I do doesn't show up, maybe wifi problems, nevermind... Sorry for the inconvenience. Thank you!!!! MikaelEmanuelsson (talk) 19:17, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Libertad (Agoney album)* MikaelEmanuelsson (talk) 19:18, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

@MikaelEmanuelsson: I'm sorry, but I'd have to go digging through Spanish-language sources to find any critics talking about it and I'm not well versed in that. Aside from adding a chart table and cover art, I don't know how much more I could contribute here. Also, I don't mean to sound unkind, but I'd prefer users not come to me and ask for help. I have a notice in bold at the top of my user talk page telling editors to approach someone else. @Lk95: Just letting you know a user moved an article this user started on your redirect to draftspace. Not sure if you want to move it back and help them out. Ss112 19:27, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Nelly Furtado discography question

Hi Ss112, I noticed you updated some info on Nelly’s page and was wondering if you could take a look at a lot of her songs that charted specifically in Canada, one being I'm Like a Bird stating on the discography page states it hit #1 but on the actual page it’s listed at #19 per RPM. Songs like Turn Off the Light, Shit on the Radio (Remember the Days), Powerless (Say What You Want), Try and Força did they even chart in Canada? On every one of there pages nothing is listed for charting in Canada. I had corrected them by removing them but wanted to double check with you to see if maybe you’d know. Another one being Promiscuous on its actual page it’s listed at hitting number one but the source is coming from a link that no longer operates and is listed as coming from Nielsen Soundscan. Should it be removed? Or should it just be left alone?

Thank you! Pillowdelight (talk) 01:41, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

@Pillowdelight: I'd say the chart performance for "I'm Like a Bird" on RPM's chart would be truncated because it ceased publication in November 2000. I'd say the other peaks were achieved on the Jam! Canoe.ca charts, which were listed on AllMusic years ago before they stopped that (apparently due to their license running out). There's still a few Wayback Archives of those links. I'll try to find one. Ss112 02:52, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

okay, so should I just revert the numbers back? Or just keep them removed. It’s hard to tell which songs charted and which didn’t. Pillowdelight (talk) 03:12, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

I'd say keep them removed until there's proof of the other numbers. It's really unfortunate that the only Canadian singles chart for most of the 2000s decade was essentially a CD single chart that didn't track real music consumption, i.e. the (at that point) burgeoning digital market. Ss112 03:14, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

@Pillowdelight: It appears that while the link for the Canadian peaks would have been http://www.allmusic.com/artist/nelly-furtado-p451535/charts-awards/billboard-singles, there's not an archive of this on the Wayback Machine. So unless the information can be reliably sourced from elsewhere, maybe the Canadian peaks may have to remain removed. Ss112 03:29, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Alright, thank you so much. Pillowdelight (talk) 03:36, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Delta Kream

On 17 May 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Delta Kream, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Black Keys' 10th album Delta Kream comprises cover versions of hill country blues songs, a genre that strongly influenced the band's early works? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Delta Kream. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Delta Kream), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Request for assistance on artists by record label lists

Hey there. Just wanted to share that I've started (and subsequently continued building) two artists by record label lists, particularly List of Monstercat artists and List of Spinnin' Records artists, of which I still feel may still be incomplete. I've intentionally included Monstercat Silk and Spinnin's sub-labels in the respective lists, however, since the sub-labels list on Spinnin' Records is backed by mostly dead references, I could not finish including artists that released on sub-labels. Would you be willing to assist in maintenance and artist additions in these lists as much as possible? Thanks in advance! Jalen Folf (talk) 20:30, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

@JalenFolf: Sorry, wish I could, but I'm really not too familiar with Spinnin' Records other than knowing a few artists signed to it. Ss112 03:56, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

@ANode: Would you know much about Spinnin' Records and their sub-labels' artists/be able to help JalenFolf out? Ss112 04:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Heya, to be honest I have significantly shortened my time on Wikipedia as of recently so I am contributing a lot less now, but I'll take a look at the page to see if there are any artists I can slowly add along the line! aNode (discuss) 17:50, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

"Hyperpop"

Hey, in regards to the "hyperpop" article are "stylistic origins" in the infobox a good idea at the moment? Considering it's a new article that isn't anywhere near as polished as the one on vaporwave for example, sources have been given undue weight.
E.g. on the New Romantic page a much better-defined stylistic parentage is given with the sources yet an infobox isn't used. 07:28, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

From an outsider's perspective, as I try to stay away from writing too much about genres directly, I don't think stylistic origins of hyperpop sounds too farfetched, even if it is a new article. It just depends on what the consensus is on each article. Obviously because New Romantic as a genre and term has been around longer, there's more of an idea or consensus on what to do there—e.g. to include stylistic origins but to not use an infobox. Some editors are staunchly against using infoboxes, like the ones who pissed and moaned for years about not using one on Cary Grant (which was ridiculous and overturned earlier this year). Ss112 03:56, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Fair enough, but another reason I'm reluctant of using the infobox is because I think it would be better treated as a music movement more than a genre. The infobox is giving a lot of credence to Kerrang!'s article and heavy metal subgenres, but a lot of this stuff (especially earlier) just sounds like electropop with pitched-up vocals. 21:42, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Charts for specific article

Hello! Hope you're doing well. If you're not interested, no prob, but might you have a moment to add album/song charts to this article? Either way, happy editing! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:18, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

@Another Believer: I've added the chart positions, but I do have concerns about the topic's notability. For comparison, Richard Cheese had a couple of albums chart similarly on the US Comedy Albums chart and about as much passing-mention coverage as this, but their articles were redirected after an editor nominated them for deletion. I could see this going the same way. Ss112 04:09, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Ss112, Thanks for your help and feedback! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 04:24, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Userscript for moving files

I noticed you move files manually and update the filenames in articles manually as well. As updating filenames is a drag I created LuckyRename some time ago, you may want to give it a try. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 12:46, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Re: acharts

Just noticed your edit on "Stoned at the Nail Salon" removing an acharts source. I was not aware that there was any issue with using this source per WP:CHARTS, and indeed I'm not really sure what other link to use, given that the IRMA link only takes you to one page that updates with every new chart. What should I use instead? --LivelyRatification (talk) 23:37, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

@LivelyRatification: My point was moreso to use the original website. Obviously Wikipedia:Record charts lists acharts, but it has been known to publish dubious charts in the past (like the United World Chart) and charts that differ(ed) from those of the main country charts (hence why it's not listed for every country under WP:GOODCHARTS). There are different links on IRMA, it's just that once the page loads the URL displays #ChartTab1, which actually re-typing in the browser does not lead anywhere. https://www.irma.ie/index.cfm?page=irish-charts&chart=Singles and https://www.irma.ie/index.cfm?page=irish-charts&chart=Albums are the proper links for the singles and albums chart on IRMA. The drop-down menus on the page show previous weeks' charts. Ss112 23:43, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

The Unofficial Bridgerton Musical

Hello. Am I correct that Billboard turned off access to its charts for anyone without a paid subscription? I'm trying to find out the basic chart info (with refs) for The Unofficial Bridgerton Musical, a new album by Barlow & Bear. Thanks for any info or advice! -- Ssilvers (talk) 08:58, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

@Ssilvers: Essentially, yes, but a lot, if not most, artists who've charted on the Billboard charts have chart history pages, which are open to everybody to view. That being said, it looks like Barlow & Bear don't have a Billboard profile. However, one way of looking at charts directly and getting around the paywall is to stop the page from fully loading. For example, it looks like Barlow & Bear debuted at number 31 on the Independent Albums chart (https://www.billboard.com/charts/independent-albums/2021-09-25) and number 36 on the Top Album Sales chart (https://www.billboard.com/charts/top-album-sales/2021-09-25). Ss112 09:23, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! I see that they are also #3 on Heatseekers and #19 on Emerging Artists. Which is the most prestigious/encyclopedic chart ranking to note on Emily Bear's page? -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:57, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

@Ssilvers: Probably the Heatseekers chart now that you mention it (as it's essentially the "Bubbling Under" for the Billboard 200), but Independent Albums and Top Album Sales are fine to note too. Ss112 01:29, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the help. If you have a moment, check out the Emily Bear page, where I mentioned Billboard charts, and see if you like the sentence and footnote. All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 02:36, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	. AviciiDrWho (talk) 03:54, 25 September 2021 (UTC)