User talk:Steamybrian2

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Happy editing! --SquidSK (1MC•log) 14:43, 13 November 2009 (UTC) Getting started A tutorial • Our five pillars • Getting mentored How to: edit a page • upload and use images • create your first article Intuitive guide to Wikipedia • Article Creation Wizard Getting help Frequently asked questions • Tips Where to ask questions or make comments Request administrator attention Policies and guidelines Neutral point of view • No original research Verifiability • Reliable sources • Citing sources What Wikipedia is not • Biographies of living persons List of policies • Three-revert rule • Sock puppetry Copyrights • Policy for non-free content • Image use policy External links • Spam • Vandalism • List of guidelines Deletion policy • Conflict of interest • Notability The community Build consensus • Resolve disputes Assume good faith • Civility • Etiquette No personal attacks • No legal threats Community portal • Village pump Signpost • IRC channels • Mailing lists Writing articles Be bold in editing • Develop an article The perfect article • Manual of style Stubs • Categories • Disambiguation Pages needing attention • Peer review Miscellaneous User name • User pages • Talk pages Clean up: General • Spam • Vandalism Join a WikiProject • Translation Useful templates • Tools • User scripts --SquidSK (1MC•log) 14:43, 13 November 2009 (UTC) Reading Southern railway station What source do you have for this edit? My sentence was sourced (Matthews 2006, pp. 29, 30), and since that does not back up your claim, so you should remove my ref (it's the {{sfn}} at the end of the line) and replace it either with (i) a {{citation needed}} tag or (ii) a reference to different source which shows the name changes that you describe. Till then I have reverted, thanks --Redrose64 (talk) 17:44, 20 November 2009 (UTC) These are the years given by Butt - Reading South (26.09.1949) to Reading Southern (11.09.1961), closed 06.09.1965. I've seen quite a few of User:Steamybrian and User:Steamybrian2's edits, and he's always been spot on with his changes. Lamberhurst (talk) 23:42, 20 November 2009 (UTC) Nevertheless, it needs to be referenced; there is no mention of Butt in the present version. I am leaving this alone for now, I'm off to Warley exhibition. Tomorrow, if the editing has stabilised again, I shall clean it up. --Redrose64 (talk) 07:41, 21 November 2009 (UTC) I am back from Warley, armed with a secondhand copy of: Butt, R.V.J. (1995). The Directory of Railway Stations. Yeovil: Patrick Stephens Ltd. ISBN 1 85260 508 1. R508. I shall study it, and make amendments to Reading Southern railway station (if needed) regarding station opening, renaming, closing etc.: but here's the crucial thing - I shall construct suitable references for every fact that I draw from that book. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:20, 21 November 2009 (UTC) Right, here's what I have done. Gather the material required. Books, websites, newspapers etc.; but every fact added must have a source to back it up. In this case my facts are the opening, renaming and closing dates, and my source is "The Directory of Railway Stations", by R.V.J. Butt, published in 1995 (which we can call "Butt 1995"). The relevant facts are on page 195. Check the existing referencing style in the article. In the case of Reading Southern railway station, it is two-stage - that is, clicking on one of the little superscripted numbers (like this [1]) takes you to a section (here headed "Notes") which contains short references - there are only authors, years and page numbers. Beneath that, there is a section (headed "References"), containing the full descriptions of the books, etc. used. In this case (not applicable to all articles), clicking on a short note will indicate which of the books it refers to. This shows up well in Firefox, where the row concerned is highlighted in pale blue. Add the referencing source first. Edit the "References" section, where we see that the existing rows are built using {{cite book}} templates, and are sorted by author and year of publication. Since it is a book to add, I therefore go to Template:Cite book, copy a blank template and paste this into the article as a new row. Fill in as many parameter values as possible. It is never possible to fill them all in, and when two-stage referencing is used, as in this case, some items (such as |page=, |chapter= and |quote=) must be left blank. Observing the other {{cite book}} templates, I see that they all have |ref=harv. This is the mechanism by which the "Notes" entry links to the "References" entry, so I make sure that my new template has that too. Then I remove all the unused fields. Save that edit. You can see my change by following this diff link. Edit the section that is to be amended. Add, amend, rewrite the relevant sentence(s). Add the reference for the amendments (this is the {{sfn|Butt|1995|p=195}} bit) Check for any existing references on the sentence, and make sure they're still valid. If they disagree with the new text, remove the reference. Save that edit. You can see my change by following this diff link. There are problems elsewhere, the most obvious one is with these three edits, particularly the part reading {{www.subbrit.org.uk/sb-sites/stations-web site photo of 1967 shows station with track removed and 1968 photo with bridge removed so cannot have been used for freight!!!!!. I remember the site about 1969 and recall there was no track there then. Freight services referred continued to Reading General. }}. OK then. Double curly brackets are used to invoke a template, but there is no valid template name specified. If you intend to specify a web page at any point (whether in a template or otherwise), you must include the initial http:// part; it's also best, if directing somebody to a particular piece of information, to provide the full URL, rather than the site's front page. The character after the URL must be either a space, pipe, closing square bracket or closing curly bracket; anything else (such as the hyphen here) will be taken as part of the URL. Multiple exclamation points are discouraged. Comments such as "web site photo of 1967 shows station with track removed and 1968 photo with bridge removed so cannot have been used for freight!!!!!. I remember the site about 1969 and recall there was no track there then. Freight services referred continued to Reading General." should really go on the talk page. So here, I have removed all of that, and placed the comments on Talk:Reading Southern railway station. The URL has inspired me to visit the website, where I have found that the full URL should be http://www.subbrit.org.uk/sb-sites/stations/r/reading_southern/index.shtml - I have placed that in a new "External links" section, within square brackets so that it can be titled properly. I may draw information from that later. Anyway, here's a diff. Thanks for your patience. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:28, 22 November 2009 (UTC) Wikipedia editing Hi, saw your message at Talk:Reading Southern railway station. A lot of Wikipedia edit knowhow is practise and experience. I've been unemployed for nearly 5 months now, so have used some of the free time to edit Wikipedia, and so have improved those Wiki-editing skills a lot (don't think that they're skills that a potential employer would want though). In so doing I came across various oddities, which experience with other pages (and examination of a fair few help pages, guidelines, policy docs etc) told me weren't quite as they should be - so I often clean these up a bit. If I notice that a particular user has been making similar mistakes several times, I might put a message on their talk page. When I edit a page, I always tick the "Watch this page" option, so that I can see quickly which pages that I'm interested in have been edited recently. This user-talk page is therefore on my watchlist, so how about this. If you want to ask a question of me specifically, pop it on my talk page. If you want to ask a general question, and don't mind who answers, put it on your own talk page, and somebody who is watching that page (such as myself, and possibly User:Lamberhurst), will attempt to answer it; however, that depends largely on people watching your page also being logged in. To ask a question pertaining to a specific article, it's probably best to put it on the article's talk page; however, that does again depend on users watching the page. If I am watching the page (which is the case with both my own talk page and this one), I will endeavour to help, if I can, as soon as I notice a question appear. If you want a quicker response, precede your message with {{helpme}} (note the double curly brackets), which will place a great big orange box on the page (which you can see by clicking the word "helpme"); it will also place the page into Category:Wikipedians looking for help. Somebody on helpdesk duty will spot it in a few minutes; almost certainly more quickly that I will, and they will also know the answers to more complex questions that I don't know about. See also the box at the top of this page, section "Getting help". Wherever you ask, it's best to start a new section (there's usually a tab at the top) for each distinct question. Follow-ups to earlier questions can be added at the tail of the relevant section. If you like, I can go through some of your recent edits to see if there are technical improvements which can be made. For example, here's one to begin with, which could have caused trouble. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:18, 23 November 2009 (UTC) Categories I mentioned Category:Wikipedians looking for help above. On the subject of categories, I have reverted this edit of yours, which placed Category:Never constructed railway stations in the United Kingdom into itself. Categories can belong to other categories (indeed every category must be in at least one other category); however categories should not be placed into themselves, consider a snake swallowing its own tail. I have not reverted your previous edit; however the information that you added should really go elsewhere. Category pages don't normally contain text, other than a brief description of the kind of pages that should belong to the category. If your intention was to place articles into that category, you should instead edit the last section of the article concerned, find the existing category lines; and add another one. Use the "Show preview" button, and at the very very end of the page (way after the "Save page" buttons, and stuff like that), the categories will be listed. If yours comes up in red, it's a non-existent category; but blue or purple, and you're OK. Thanks again. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:18, 23 November 2009 (UTC) Would be useful to have your thoughts on my message at Category talk:Never constructed railway stations in the United Kingdom. Lamberhurst (talk) 19:29, 23 November 2009 (UTC) Since Lamberhurst has started a talk page on the category, I've reverted the edit mentioned in the second paragraph; the text so removed is now on that talk page at the section headed Text moved from category page. --Redrose64 (talk) 00:25, 24 November 2009 (UTC) Taunton-Minehead stations Under the list of closed stations are those which have been subsequently reopened by Heritage Railway Societies. I have noticed that none of the stations closed by BR between Taunton- Minehead which have since reopened by West Somerset Railway have been included. Was this a deliberate policy..? I was hoping for questions on editing technique... however, this one I can partially answer. At the top of List of closed railway stations in Britain: A it states "Stations reopened as Heritage railways continue to be included in this list and some have been linked.", so I guess they ought to be included. To find out why they're not (and I must admit that I've not checked them all, but certainly Dunster and Minehead are omitted), try asking at Talk:West Somerset Railway specifically, or at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK Railways for a more general policy. You could pop a question on talk pages that are more directly relevant, such as Talk:List of closed railway stations in Britain: M-O, or Talk:Minehead railway station, but I think that you're less likely to get a quick response. When placing messages on any talk pages, please sign your message by adding four tildes (~~~~) at the end. This is how it comes out when I do so: Redrose64 (talk) 18:02, 24 November 2009 (UTC) Manchester-Rochdale via Oldham I have not checked the Wikipedia entries but presume the stations along this line have been listed as closed in October pending future reopening as a Metrolink line.? Oldham Werneth, Milnrow etc. don't seem to be listed in List of closed railway stations in Britain: M-O etc. Again, try at Talk:Oldham Loop Line or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK Railways, possibly Talk:Oldham Mumps railway station or Talk:List of closed railway stations in Britain: M-O. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:11, 24 November 2009 (UTC) Edit summary request Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. When you make a change to an article, please provide an edit summary for your edits. Doing so helps everyone to understand the intention of your edit. It is also useful when reading the edit history of the page. Thank you. Keith D (talk) 21:24, 24 November 2009 (UTC) Stow St Mary Halt railway station Hi, I see you have removed the referenced closure dates for articles on the Maldon to Woodham Ferrers such as Stow St Mary Halt railway station but in some cases not added a reference for the new date or a comment for the edit. Any chance of referencing and commenting your changes? Scillystuff (talk) 17:38, 17 December 2009 (UTC) The line between Maldon East to Woodham Ferrers was closed for passengers on 10th September 1939 and to freight traffic between Woodham Ferrers to Maldon West 1st April 1953 and Maldon West to East in 1959. These dates have been taken from "Passengers No More" by G. Daniels and L. Dench and also in "Lost Railways of East Anglia" by L.Oppitz.I have an Ordnance Survey Map of 1962 which shows the track completely removed. The newspaper article which quotes 1964 maybe confused with the line between Maldon East to Witham which was closed in 1964. Finally the stations are listed in the Wikipedia "List Of closed stations" as closing in 1939.Steamybrian2 (talk) 17:58, 18 December 2009 (UTC) I have just had a look at Stow St Mary Halt railway station, and the techniques that you have used do not provide a valid reference. In particular, please note that double curly brackets transclude templates: if you don't follow the opening curly bracket with a valid template name, it just won't work (you will notice that reference 2 shows, in red, 'Template:"Passengers No more" by G.Daniels and L.Dench'). I have previously offered to help with referencing; the offer is still open. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:47, 18 December 2009 (UTC) Thanks Redrose64 for your help but I am slowly learning these technical names. Question- How can I introduce a valid template name? I shall have to read about transclude templates.[[Steamybrian2 (talk) 19:09, 18 December 2009 (UTC)]] Writing new templates can be difficult. It might be best if you were to tell me what you want it to do; then I can see if there is already something that does the job. Templates are short pieces of a page. They are not Wikipedia articles in their own right, but can be copied into proper Wikipedia articles as required. There are two ways of using them: transclusion and substitution. Transclusion basically means that the current contents of the template are copied into the page in place of the wikicode delimited by double curly brackets, at the time that the page is viewed. So if I were to put something like The driving wheels of a GWR "Grange" are {{convert|5|ft|8|in|mm}} in diameter when somebody views the page, the Wiki software goes to look at Template:convert, copies that in and so displays: The driving wheels of a GWR "Grange" are 5 feet 8 inches (1,730 mm) in diameter Substitution is similar, but the copying takes place when you save your edit. This is only used for certain types of templates, and the documentation will normally say when it is recommended: see for example Template:uw-test1. If a template is used on a page, and then the template is modified, the modification will automatically pass through to all pages transcluding the template, but to none of those which substituted it. BTW it's not necessary to put double square brackets around your signature - the standard signature puts in any double square brackets that may be required; that is, sign with ~~~~ not with [[~~~~]] - or just click the signature button located above the edit window. Some pages (some of which are on referencing) that might be useful: Help:Wiki markup Wikipedia:Cheatsheet Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners Wikipedia:Template namespace Wikipedia:Citing sources Wikipedia:Citation templates --Redrose64 (talk) 20:15, 18 December 2009 (UTC) If you could let me have the details of your Passengers No More edition (i.e. date and isbn if there is one), I will put together the template. Another thing - if you are being asked for refs for station opening/closure dates but don't have any, just let me know as I should be able to dig them out of Butt/Clinker etc. Lamberhurst (talk) 22:49, 18 December 2009 (UTC) "Passengers No More" was published around 1963 by Ian Allan Ltd which was before ISBN numbers were issued. I will try to buy a copy of Butt or Clinkers books for my own reference library. Thanks for your help.[[Steamybrian2 (talk) 09:31, 21 December 2009 (UTC)]] Having re-read this section, I think I may have misread it first time. I thought that you wanted to create a template, now, I think that you want to know how to use an existing template. One of the most useful for referencing is {{cite book}}. If you click on that, you'll see the documentation, which has some blank templates ready to be filled in, and also examples of the usage. Depending on the article's reference style, the template would either be placed inside the <ref></ref> tags (as per Iffley Halt railway station), or in a bulleted list near the bottom (as per Abingdon Road Halt railway station). To see how something has been done, it's always a good idea to look at the wikicode of existing pages - go for the "edit this page" tab, look around, and then either click "Cancel" or use the back button of your browser. Let's take the first blank one and fill that in as best we can (I have removed the |separator= parameter, because unless you want some special behaviour, leaving it in causes more trouble than removing it). The values that I've filled in for you should show as green, and in a different typeface: {{cite book |last1=Daniels |first1=G. |authorlink1= |last2=Dench |first2=L. |editor1-first= |editor1-last= |editor1-link= |others= |title=Passengers No More |trans_title= |url= |format= |accessdate= |edition= |series= |volume= |date= |year=1964 |month=September |origyear= |publisher=Ian Allan |location=Shepperton |language= |isbn= |oclc= |doi= |id=VPNM/1354/138/CXX-964 |page= |pages= |trans_chapter= |chapter= |chapterurl= |quote= |ref= |bibcode= |laysummary= |laydate= |postscript= |lastauthoramp=}} which will render as Daniels, G.; Dench, L. (1964). Passengers No More. Shepperton: Ian Allan. VPNM/1354/138/CXX-964. {{cite book}}: Cite has empty unknown parameters: |laydate=, |trans_title=, |trans_chapter=, |laysummary=, |chapterurl=, and |lastauthoramp= (help); Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help) Many of these you will never find a suitable value for. When we've filled in all that we can, the empty ones can be removed. To find some more information, have a look at the first few pages of "Trains No More". Usually, just before, or just after, the main title page there is a page with the copyright information, almost always a left-hand page; and pretty much every book published since the 1950s will have one. Look for entries like "Copyright 19xx", "First edition 19xx", etc. There may be more than one different year shown; but there must be a copyright message somewhere. The most recent of the various years goes in the |year= parameter; if there is a month also shown for that, it goes in |month=; the earliest year goes in |origyear=; and the edition (if there is one) goes in |edition=. The ISBN is usually shown on the same page; but older books with no ISBN might have a SBN instead, which is a direct precursor to ISBN, the only difference is the number of digits. For example, SBN 902888 45 5 is the same book as ISBN 0 902888 45 5 (it's The Banbury and Cheltenham Railway, by J.H. Russell). If it's a SBN, it might not be obvious; it might be shown as an unexplained row of nine digits, possibly split into groups: and if it's an Ian Allan publication, their ISBNs of that period will begin "0 7110", and their SBN will begin "7110". See what you can find, and let's fill in more of that template. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:59, 21 December 2009 (UTC) On the front title page is just the copyright Ian Allan Ltd and where it was printed and published- so far it is known it is the only edition. The back dust cover has the reference VPNM/1354/138/CXX-964. I suspect that 964 translates to September 1964 being the actual date of publication because the latest entries in the book are September 1963 so allow a year for printing and publishing.[[Steamybrian2 (talk) 14:39, 21 December 2009 (UTC)]] VPNM/1354/138/CXX-964 is the Ian Allan internal reference code, and in the absence of either a SBN or an ISBN, that can co in the |id= parameter. Virtually all of their books has a code: the style varies, and complex ones like this usually date from the pre-ISBN period. No matter how short (I have seen CX/0183), they almost always have a date encoded within them, but I'm not sure if it's the printing date or the publication date - but I do know that reprints get an amended code, so it's not a "first published" date. You are right that "964" is "September 1964", so I have added this to the template above. Is there really no copyright message? Try all the left-hand pages prior to the contents page. The place where it was published is relevant: for Ian Allan, they often show "London" on the main title page, but either "Hampton Court" or "Shepperton" on the copyright page. Whichever it is of Hampton Court or Shepperton, that can go into the |location= parameter. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:02, 21 December 2009 (UTC) Left-handed page iv states copyright Ian Allan. Published by Ian Allan Ltd, Shepperton, Middx. Printed in the United Kingdom by The Press at Coombelands Limited, Addlestone, Weybridge, Surrey.[[Steamybrian2 (talk) 15:44, 21 December 2009 (UTC)]] Okeydokey, that's the page I was thinking of. Peculiar that there's no year stated in the copyright message. Anyway, Shepperton is what we wanted; so I've put that into the template. Removing most of the redundant parameters we now have: {{cite book |last1=Daniels |first1=G. |last2=Dench |first2=L. |title=Passengers No More |year=1964 |month=September |publisher=Ian Allan |location=Shepperton |id=VPNM/1354/138/CXX-964 |page= |pages= |chapter= |quote= |ref= }} The last five can be filled in, or removed, as required. If used inside <ref></ref> you would fill in either |page= or |pages=, possibly |chapter=, and (rarely) |quote=; but you would remove |ref=. However, if placing near the end of the article, you would remove all of |page=, |pages=, |chapter= and |quote=, and fill in |ref=harv - if the existing {{cite book}} templates have it like that. So you could end up with either <ref>{{cite book |last1=Daniels |first1=G. |last2=Dench |first2=L. |title=Passengers No More |year=1964 |month=September |publisher=Ian Allan |location=Shepperton |id=VPNM/1354/138/CXX-964 |page=123 }}</ref> giving in the text, and later on there would be: or you might have *{{cite book |last1=Daniels |first1=G. |last2=Dench |first2=L. |title=Passengers No More |year=1964 |month=September |publisher=Ian Allan |location=Shepperton |id=VPNM/1354/138/CXX-964 |ref=harv }} giving Daniels, G.; Dench, L. (1964). Passengers No More. Shepperton: Ian Allan. VPNM/1354/138/CXX-964. {{cite book}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help); Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help) When you've put it in an article, say so and I'll check. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:12, 21 December 2009 (UTC) Noted with thanks. Merry Christmas to all..[[Steamybrian2 (talk) 19:20, 21 December 2009 (UTC)]] I've not yet found the book myself: but I have found a book published by Ian Allan at about the same time, or slightly later, which has an advert on the back, for "Passengers No More" by G. Daniels and L.A. Dench; accordingly we should amend the relevant field to |first2=L.A. giving: Daniels, G.; Dench, L.A. (1964). Passengers No More. Shepperton: Ian Allan. VPNM/1354/138/CXX-964. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help) The same book has, on the very next page after the title page, "© Ian Allan, 1964 Published by ...", so Ian Allan practice at this time was to put a year in the copyright note. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:39, 9 January 2010 (UTC) Explanation You know, I completely forgot to explain all that. Basically, <ref> and </ref> are the two ends of an inline reference. Everything that they enclose gets placed later on in the article, typically where the {{reflist}} occurs. Double curly brackets {{ and }} are the two ends of a template transclusion. The template may include zero or more parameters, which are separated from one another by the | character (often known as "pipe", see vertical bar). The template name is everything between the opening double curly bracket and either the first pipe character or the closing double curly bracket, whichever occurs first. I have mentioned two templates here: they are {{cite book}} and {{reflist}}, you may view them either by clicking the bluelinks (which I provided by using the special template {{tlx}}), or by going to Template:Cite book and Template:Reflist. Depending upon how the template was written, parameters can be of two types: either |name=value (named parameters) or |value alone (unnamed parameters). All the parameters to {{cite book}} are named parameters; {{reflist}} uses both types, and {{tlx}} normally uses only unnamed parameters. The names of named parameters are case-sensitive; so if the documentation says to use |title=, you cannot use |Title= - it will be ignored. I think that's enough to be going on with. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:10, 21 December 2009 (UTC) More info In The Railway Magazine January 1963 p.67, "Passengers No More" by Daniels & Lench is announced as being published "this month"; so that I think you have a reprint. Thus we can add |origyear=1963 giving: Daniels, G.; Dench, L.A. (1964) [1963]. Passengers No More. Shepperton: Ian Allan. VPNM/1354/138/CXX-964. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help) --Redrose64 (talk) 19:58, 4 March 2010 (UTC) The copy I have states- Introduction page V- ....At the time of writing the first effects of the Beeching Report are just being felt..... (therefore dates from after March 1963). Closure dates in the book date up to 9th September 1963. ([[Steamybrian2 (talk) 22:01, 24 March 2010 (UTC)]]) Fine; if yours has info from Sep 1963, but the first edition of the book is known to date from early 1963, then you would appear to have a second (or even third) edition rather than a reprint; but my suggestion of |origyear=1963 is still valid, since that parameter is intended for the original publication year, ie that of the first edition. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:27, 25 March 2010 (UTC) Ouse Valley Railway Just a quick note to say that you don't sign edits to articles. The software allows us to see who edited the article and what was done to it. Signatures are for talk pages etc. Mjroots (talk) 15:30, 30 December 2009 (UTC) Edit summaries Hello. Please don't forget to provide an edit summary. Thanks, and happy editing. –Signalhead < T > 20:59, 15 January 2010 (UTC) Sutton Town station I have tickets to/from this station which show the name as "Sutton Coldfield Town". Can someone please clarify the name of the station as I am not an expert of the railway history in the Birmingham area. [[Steamybrian2 (talk) 10:55, 1 May 2010 (UTC)]]. Yep. This is the station on the former Midland Railway route between Castle Bromwich/Water Orton and Walsall/Wolverhampton, via Streetly. Now, my sister-in-law lived in Streetly for many years, and the locals all say simply "Sutton" when referring to Sutton Coldfield. See Sutton Town railway station which I have just updated. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:12, 1 May 2010 (UTC) Hammersmith & Chiswick railway station I'm a bit puzzled by these wikilinks - the first takes you to a place in Virginia, USA; the second to a dab page; and the third to an article on the A4 trunk road. Generally speaking, on railway articles we link to the relevant station article. If you want to hide the words "railway station" (as is the normal practice), you should use either a piped wikilink: [[Rugby Road railway station|Rugby Road]] or the purpose-designed station link template: {{stnlnk|Rugby Road}}. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:56, 17 May 2010 (UTC). I thought I had checked them to include the words railway station but my input must have gone wrong somewhere. My apologies [[Steamybrian2 (talk) 09:49, 18 May 2010 (UTC)]] Shield Row station I have added to the listings Shield Row station which is shown on my pregrouping railway atlas on the North Eastern Railway between Leadgate and Beamish on the line closed in 1955. I have tried "google" which gives no other information on it. Can someone please confirm /amend or delete my entry as necessary.[[Steamybrian2 (talk) 09:21, 17 July 2010 (UTC)]]  Done - see Shield Row railway station now --Redrose64 (talk) 16:24, 17 July 2010 (UTC) Noted with thanks. Accordingly I have now deleted the listed entry for Shield Row. It needs including on list of still open and closed railway stations in Durham. There are others along the line as well that need to be listed .[[Steamybrian2 (talk) 18:42, 17 July 2010 (UTC)]] Carlton (Durham) I have added an entry for this station but please add/amend or delete if readers have further information. My research is based on I found it marked on my "Pregrouping Railway Altas" situated on the former North Eastern Railway line between Ferryhill and Stockton between Stillington and Stockton but I have no other info on it. It would appear that local passenger services ceased in 1952 but the line is still open for freight and the occasional special passenger train.[[Steamybrian2 (talk) 14:36, 21 July 2010 (UTC)]]  Done - see Carlton (Durham) railway station now --Redrose64 (talk) 21:38, 22 July 2010 (UTC) Noted with thanks.[[Steamybrian2 (talk) 12:11, 23 July 2010 (UTC)]] Dartmouth railway station I am aware that it was in reality a the quayside terminal for the ferry from Kingswear. I am also aware that the line from Kingswear-Paignton was closed by BR and reopened as a heritage railway.Now the difficult questions-Was the ferry service actually withdrawn when BR closed the line or was it transferred to a private operator? Dartmouth station is listed as closed but if the the ferry service did stop when did it reopen?[[Steamybrian2 (talk) 19:41, 23 July 2010 (UTC)]] I should have made notes when I was down there on 11 August 1999 (it was cloudy, BTW). --Redrose64 (talk) 20:57, 23 July 2010 (UTC) Have found it in "wikipedia" under "Dartmouth Passenger Ferry" which states the ferry service was sold to Dartmouth Council in 1972 since when it has changed ownership several times. It is my thought that the service was never actually withdrawn therefore I have deleted Dartmouth railway station entry. Van Railway I have included Van Station which was the terminus of the Van Railway in Mid Wales. Although opened in the 1870s I cannot find a closure date for passengers (but possibly 1920 or before?). There were intermediate stations or halts along the line but I am unsure of the names. Hope this OK . Article open for readers to add further info... [[Steamybrian2 (talk) 17:48, 2 August 2010 (UTC)]] Not listed in either Butt or Croughton/Kidner/Young. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:00, 2 August 2010 (UTC) Kidner, R.W. (1992) [1954]. The Cambrian Railways. The Oakwood Library of Railway History (2nd ed.). Headington: Oakwood Press. p. 40. ISBN 0 85361 439 3. OL55. The Van Railway had been opened on 14th August, 1871 from its own station at Caersws to a lead mine ... a passenger service was run until 1879 to a terminus at garth & Van Road, about ½ mile short of the mine. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:16, 2 August 2010 (UTC) Looking carefully at my Ian Allan Pre-Grouping Atlas, I see that the "stations" on the Van Light Railway are marked with black ticks, not green blobs. This suggests that they are not passenger stations, but goods or mineral sidings. For other examples, see the Liskeard & Caradon line (01 C4) or the Llanelli & Mynydd Mawr (07 A3). --Redrose64 (talk) 18:33, 2 August 2010 (UTC) I have the Ian Allan Pre-grouping Atlas which would appear to show passenger stations at the time of grouping (1923)with green blobs and freight only stations (including those with withdrawn passenger services) with black ticks. For the Van Railway it shows the terminus station as "Van" and the penultimate station as "Garth Road". I recommend leaving the Van Railway Station entry as shown for a readers reference point and adding closure date of 1879 as you mentioned above. I will add also that the Cambrian Railway was a owner of it. [[Steamybrian2 (talk) 09:25, 3 August 2010 (UTC)]] In Butt, p. 101, I find an entry "GARTH AND VAN ROAD Van *26 F6 OP 1 December 1873; CL July 1879", which decodes as "A station named Garth and Van Road, on the Van Railway, is shown in Wignall's British Railways Maps and Gazetteer 1825-1925 2nd edition 1985 (OPC), page 26, section F6. It opened on 1 December 1873, and closed in July 1879." I suspect that the end-of-line marked as "Van" was the mine referred to in Kidner, and that it was always freight-only; also that the black tick immediately before that, labelled as "Garth Road", was the passenger terminus for the short period that passenger trains were run, and is the station described by both Kidner and Butt as "Garth and Van Road". Please note that Cambrian Railways is always in the plural. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:11, 3 August 2010 (UTC) Noted accordingly. I have deleted entry for Van railway station. I have linked the station listing entry for "Garth and Van Road" to the Van Railway.Thanks[[Steamybrian2 (talk) 11:44, 3 August 2010 (UTC)]] Southchurch station There is a listed entry for Southchurch on the Somerset & Dorset Joint Railway-station closed in 1845. I cannot find any reference to a station with that name on the S&DJR. Secondly the S&DJR was formed 30 years later in 1875. Have you any info on this station..? [[Steamybrian2 (talk) 20:04, 5 August 2010 (UTC)]] Butt has South Church (note space), opened 19 April 1842, closed circa 1845; but "S&D" isn't Somerset & Dorset, it's Stockton & Darlington. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:30, 5 August 2010 (UTC) I have noted that the entry has now been amended. Thanks[[Steamybrian2 (talk) 19:37, 6 August 2010 (UTC)]] Yes, by me, so that the redlink became a bluelink. I also wrote the page that it points at. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:11, 6 August 2010 (UTC) Date format Hi Brian; re this edit; please see WP:DATESNO - we don't use ordinal numbers in dates. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:30, 9 August 2010 (UTC). Noted with thanks. It was a significant date when I transferred from BR to Railtrack..! From Brian aka.. [[Steamybrian2 (talk) 08:53, 11 August 2010 (UTC)]] Similarly, we don't abbreviate month names. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:25, 11 August 2010 (UTC) I see that you have returned to making edits like this. Please review WP:DATESNO again. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:00, 26 February 2014 (UTC) Wimblington station article Sorry- I have made an error in amending the Wimblington station entry. The railway company needs inserting. Two errors, actually; you removed the |col={{GNGE colour}} which defines the colour of the vertical bars; and you inserted a | between the |route= and the [[Great Northern, which divorced the parameter name from its value. Now fixed. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:11, 11 August 2010 (UTC) Park Drain station From the article about the station it indicates that it was the junction for the Axholme Joint Railway however my "Pregrouping Atlas" shows the junction was at Haxey. Unsure whether it was Haxey Junction or Haxey and Epworth station.It needs clarification by a local expert....! Brian [[Steamybrian2 (talk) 15:44, 11 August 2010 (UTC)]] The junction at Haxey was, I believe, one that did not allow through running from the Gainsborough direction onto the AJ - a double reversal would have been necessary, something almost never done with passenger trains. This may expain why Park Drain is shown as having a service to both the Haxey stations. If you look at Haxey Junction you'll see that it is a terminal with two possible routes out - the AJ itself, and towards Doncaster along the GN/GE. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:21, 11 August 2010 (UTC) Thanks for the clarification[[Steamybrian2 (talk) 16:22, 11 August 2010 (UTC)]] Lynn/King's Lynn Hi Brian; re these edits (1, 2): St Germain's railway station closed in 1850, and King's Lynn railway station didn't gain the two-word name until 1911, so throughout the life of St Germain's, the next station along was always simply "Lynn". --Redrose64 (talk) 19:50, 27 August 2010 (UTC) Noted-I was unware of this renaming. Can you please mention this renaming date in the article on Kings Lynn railway station. Thanks-- Brian aka [[Steamybrian2 (talk) 21:42, 28 August 2010 (UTC)]] Ashton (Oldham Road) or Oldham Road (Ashton-under-Lyne) I have inserted an entry for the the former name but unsure what the official name was?? Suggest that all the entries and article be amended to refer to the same official name. Brian aka [[Steamybrian2 (talk) 19:48, 31 August 2010 (UTC)]] Butt (p. 177) says "Oldham Road: see Ashton Oldham Road". --Redrose64 (talk) 20:52, 31 August 2010 (UTC) Tivoli I was uncertain whether to mention this station which was listed in "Private and Untimetabled Railway Stations" by G.Croughton. It is named as "Tivoli" closed 1876 which was situated between Margate Sands and Ramsgate Town on the former SER line closed in 1926. A quick check on "google" does trace it. Does the book by "Butt" list it?. Brian aka [[Steamybrian2 (talk) 14:25, 15 October 2010 (UTC)]] Yes - shown as named "TIVOLI, MARGATE", opened 1 December 1846, closed c. 1872. It also says "also known as Hall by the Sea". --Redrose64 (talk) 17:51, 15 October 2010 (UTC) Oxford and Rugby Railway I have reverted this and some similar edits. Cherwell Valley Line is a modern term, introduced since the closure of most of these stations, so is irrelevant when dealing with the events of the station when it was open. It is not an error for Oxford and Rugby Railway to be redlinked - one day the article will be written, we've just not got around to it yet, so pending that, the redlink should remain (see WP:REDDEAL). --Redrose64 (talk) 07:28, 16 October 2010 (UTC) Agreed--- noted with thanks [[Steamybrian2 (talk) 09:16, 16 October 2010 (UTC)]] South Eastern Main Line I tried to make the following alterations on the route map but was unable find how to do it. 1. I have no reference or any evidence of a branch line to Lympne and recommend it should be deleted. 2. Folkestone East station is wrongly position and should be sited the London side of the junction to Folkestone Harbour. Brian aka [[Steamybrian2 (talk) 13:50, 20 October 2010 (UTC)]] The route map on South Eastern Main Line is a collapsible section within the infobox. If you go into "edit" mode, and look at the very top of the article, you'll see a template {{Infobox rail line}}. Within that are the parameters | map = {{Infobox rdt|South Eastern Main Line}} | map_state = collapsed The first of these uses the template {{Infobox rdt}}, which is a wrapper for a route diagram template, named by the first parameter to that. Thus, the route diagram itself is held at Template:South Eastern Main Line. Agreed that Folkestone East is wrongly positioned - but I don't really know about Lympne. Mjroots (talk · contribs) is more likely to be of assistance here. However, I think that your concerns which are specific to this template should be noted at Template talk:South Eastern Main Line, where Mjroots, or one of the many other contributors to that template, should spot your comments sooner or later. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:19, 20 October 2010 (UTC) I've had to put some kludges into the above because there is a formatting problem with your talk page. I think it's somewhere near the top, among all the "Welcome to Wikipedia" stuff; tables get opened (using {|) and closed (using |}) but these seems to be an imbalance - more tables get opened than closed, which screws up the formatting of certain elements later on, particularly everything from immediately after the words "Within that are the parameters". You can fix it quite simply, by adding one line - a |} to close a table - immediately before the heading "Reading Southern railway station". There may be one or two </div> missing as well, but they're less crucial. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:36, 20 October 2010 (UTC) Grosvenor Bridge railway station Butt has no station of this name listed. Were you thinking of Grosvenor Road and Battersea Pier railway station, which is listed? Britmax (talk) 17:03, 20 October 2010 (UTC). Appologies -Should have read Grosvenor Road [[Steamybrian2 (talk) 19:24, 20 October 2010 (UTC)]] Hertford Cowbridge I've reverted this edit, because since the line through Hertford Cowbridge is lifted, it cannot be open. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:48, 21 October 2010 (UTC). Apologies - I recognise that I misread it as Ware station was on a line that was closed..[[Steamybrian2 (talk) 09:21, 22 October 2010 (UTC)]] Waveney Valley Line The article on this line states that a Light Railway Order was obtained in 1954 as a private line run by enthusiasts and some special trains were run. Can you please advise me the source of this information as this is the first information I have seen on this. It was my impression that the first heritage standard gauge lines run by enthusiasts were the Middleton Railway and Bluebell both opened in 1960. Brian aka [[Steamybrian2 (talk) 11:16, 26 October 2010 (UTC)]] You're probably best asking this on the talk page of the article concerned, where it's likely to attract the attention of those with knowledge of the line. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:53, 26 October 2010 (UTC) Dore and Totley railway station I've reverted your change to the Midland Main Line article on this station, as although it is open on the Hope Valley Line this station no longer has platforms on the Midland Main Line. I hope to adjust the diagram to show this. Regards, Britmax (talk) 13:40, 26 October 2010 (UTC) OK-agreed[[Steamybrian2 (talk) 13:42, 26 October 2010 (UTC)]] Shepperton Branch stations I, in my WP salad days, unwittingly set a trap. The article said "Stations on the line, whose Wikipedia articles are linked on the map, are at ....", not "named" but "at". Partly because the rumours on the track were that the full time opening of the station at Kempton was subject to SWT's whim (as suggested by the strange lack of rush hour ups). And partly in my real salad days no-one knew Kempton Park as a district but only as a racetrack with waterworks so named for lack of any closer geographical feature. Now I'd never say that the links to the stations were on the map but would link them directly. I've place names to stations' and linked them.--SilasW (talk) 23:34, 7 November 2010 (UTC). What is "WP salad days" or "real salad days"? There at many names of (disused and still open) stations around the country that are given names of places/districts that do not exist- some pub names are Bricklayers Arms, Bat and Ball, Berney Arms or try -Dovey Junction and Bala Junction as two stations with no districts/places or settlement nearby. Some stations are named after the name of manor house nearby Hampton Court station is actually in East Molesey but try finding settlements such as Baynards, Rowfant or Kingscote except for a few railwaymans cottages.![[Steamybrian2 (talk) 14:21, 8 November 2010 (UTC)]] I was trying to explain why the article's list (since emended) said it was of Places served and not of Station names, I was not calling for an essay about The Naming of Stations. Surely "WP Salad days" is not too difficult to be read as "When I was starting in Wikipedia", (Real= before 1950)--SilasW (talk) 17:28, 8 November 2010 (UTC) Inveruglas In the listings of station it shows "citation needed" I have found an entry in "Private and Untimetabled Railway Stations by G. Croughton and others" which shows- located between Arrochar and Ardlui map ref NN317094 purpose-for workman..... used for construction of Loch Sloy Hydroelectric Scheme opened 29.10.1945 closed later in the 1940s Is this OK..Brian [[Steamybrian2 (talk) 10:33, 23 November 2010 (UTC)]] Butt (p. 127) has it in light type, suggesting that the station was "private, or was in some sense open only to restricted traffic, such as miners or railway workers ..."; he also shows it as opened 29 October 1945, closed c. 1948 but these in no way imply public opening. I suspect that the problem (for which the {{citation needed}} was added) is one of whether List of closed railway stations in Britain: H-J should be confined to public stations or not. You might be best asking at WT:UKRAIL. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:45, 23 November 2010 (UTC) Personally, I would be in favour of private/occasional stations appearing in the list. I've always thought that it would be useful to add two extra columns to this list - one for comments (e.g. private station) and another for the line. This would obviously require substantial work and so it's a long term aim. Lamberhurst (talk) 08:25, 24 November 2010 (UTC) Midland & Great Northern Joint Railway Hi, Brian; I have reverted this pair of edits because although the LNER took over operation of the M&GNJ in 1936, it didn't acquire the railway itself: the infrastructure remained M&GNJ right up to Nationalisation. The M&GNJ is mentioned in Schedule 3, p.145 of the Transport Act 1947 as a "body whose undertaking is transferred to [the British Transport] Commission". There is a PDF copy linked from here end the relevant page in Acrobat Reader is p.151 --Redrose64 (talk) 19:32, 8 December 2010 (UTC) OK- noted with thanks... Brian aka[[Steamybrian2 (talk) 19:35, 8 December 2010 (UTC)]] Hackney Central Hi! The photo I uploaded of Hackney Central is definitely of that station. Viewed eastwards from the footbridge. best, Sunil060902 (talk) 00:41, 11 December 2010 (UTC) Referencing Hi Brian; when you make edits like this, please place a pair of <ref>...</ref> tags immediately after the fact that you changed, and put your source inside those (see WP:REFBEGIN). For example, you might have put and closed on 2 January 1961.<ref>Daniels, G. ''Passengers No More''</ref> It's also recommended that you give the year of publication and the page number as well. However, we have had a similar discussion before, please check through that. Putting your source in the edit summary is permitted in addition to such referencing, but is not an alternative to it. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:51, 16 February 2011 (UTC) Eridge Hi! Let me have some idea of the layout at Eridge and I'll see if there's anything I can do to help. Britmax (talk) 10:11, 15 March 2011 (UTC) I've had a go. Let me know what you think! Britmax (talk) 10:55, 15 March 2011 (UTC) The track layout consists of a single line from Tunbridge Wells West using the former Down Line from Birchden Jn, running parallel with the Uckfield single line to Eridge Station. At Eridge trains will run into the former down platform. the former down bay will be used as a siding. Beyond Eridge the line terminates at buffer stops thus no connection with the Uckfield Line (accordingly please amend your track layout to sever any connections with the Uckfield line) To illustrate this please see www.spavalleyrailway.co.uk which has recent photos of Eridge Station showing some of their test trains which have run within the last few days. [[Steamybrian2 (talk) 13:56, 15 March 2011 (UTC)]] Excellent- looks good. I have tried to update the diagram map for the "Oxted Line" article to show a similiar layout between Birchden Junction and Eridge but regret unable to coomplete it. Note I have included Forge Farm level crossing. Thanks[[Steamybrian2 (talk) 11:30, 18 March 2011 (UTC)]] Railway company names Hi Brian. Re one of your two recent edits to Ackworth railway station: this one is technically incorrect, because the Swinton & Knottingley, like many joint railways, continued in existence after 1923, although with changed co-owners. Very few joint railways were explicitly named in the Railways Act 1921, and of those that were (such as the Portpatrick and Wigtownshire Joint Railway) all of the co-owners were gathered into the same group company. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:05, 27 July 2011 (UTC) Noted with thanks. It was my incorrect impression that after 1923 there were legally only the "big four" companies but joint companies names continued in existance for continuity or local use. Apologies for the error.[[Steamybrian2 (talk) 13:20, 27 July 2011 (UTC)]] Have a look at the Transport Act 1947, third schedule. There are an awful lot of railway companies listed, beginning with the big four. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:15, 27 July 2011 (UTC) Exmouth Junction In the article on Exmouth Junction it mentions there were three stations in the area opened at the beginning of the 20th century between Exeter Central and the Exmouth Junction area saying that only one is open today at Polsloe Bridge. It does not mention St James Park Halt which I consider should be included. [[Steamybrian2 (talk) 22:24, 31 July 2011 (UTC)]] Butt 1995 pp. 143,203 - I suggest that you post on the discussion page of the relevant article, i.e. at Talk:Exmouth Junction. Article talk pages are normally the best place to mention problems with specific articles. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:41, 31 July 2011 (UTC) Amending sourced content Hi Brian; re this edit - please note that the statement is cited to Vallance, Clinker & Lambert 1985, p. 161. That book is considered a reliable source, and the actual text in the book is "On 13 June 1960, passenger services were withdrawn from all the intermediate stations between Inverness and Bonar Bridge, except Dingwall, Invergordon, Fearn and Tain". It's not a good idea to amend reliably-sourced content unless you provide another source. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:21, 9 August 2011 (UTC) Gas lighting Hi, re this - Ilkley was the last one. The Wikipedia article states 1988: I recall reading something to this effect at the time in the Railway Magazine. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:27, 22 August 2011 (UTC).. Noted with thanks [[Steamybrian2 (talk) 20:29, 22 August 2011 (UTC)]] Market Harborough- Radcliffe-on trent line I have amended the route of some of the stations on the line Northampton-Nottingham to read Market Harborough- Nottingham but recognise that there were through trains Northampton-Nottingham . In my opinion they should all read from Market Marborough to correctly read Radcliffe-on Trent[[Steamybrian2 (talk) 10:34, 25 August 2011 (UTC)]]. The problem with many disused routes is that they often formed part of a much longer route, and these longer routes varied over time. Although one of the southern termini of the GN/LNW joint line was quite possibly Market Harborough at some point, the northern terminus is unlikely to have been Radcliffe on Trent: trains almost certainly ran through to Nottingham, if not further. See Casserley, H.C. (1968). Britain's Joint Lines. Shepperton: Ian Allan. pp. 43–44. ISBN 0 7110 0024 7. 469 CEX 468. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help) where we find that the line concerned gave the GNR access to Leicester, and the LNWR access to Nottingham. The GNR used the southern half of the route for a Leicester-Peterborough service, and the northern half for a Leicester-Grantham service. The LNWR used most of the line for a Northampton-Nottingham service, and the GNR seems to have done so too. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:22, 25 August 2011 (UTC) Noted and agreed. [[Steamybrian2 (talk) 13:29, 25 August 2011 (UTC)]] Farwath railway station Hi, the North Yorkshire Moors Railway article refers to Farwath railway station but there is no entry for this in the lists of closed stations. Have you got any info to add an entry? Keith D (talk) 11:27, 19 September 2011 (UTC) According to "Private and Untimetabled Railway Stations by G. Croughton and others" trains stopped at Farwath (or Farworth) to pick up platelayers wives but unsure whether there was actually a platform there. North Yorkshire Moors Railway also for a short time reopened the line to there but it may have been just been the temporary "end of track" but without a station or platform. I leave it too others to confirm the actual existance of any platform.[[Steamybrian2 (talk) 11:37, 19 September 2011 (UTC)]] Thanks. Keith D (talk) 12:30, 19 September 2011 (UTC) Referencing method Hi Brian; re this and similar edits - please could you show your source by one of the methods described in WP:CITE, rather than putting it in the edit summary? Thanks. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:48, 26 September 2011 (UTC) Blackmoor Gate My books on the Lynton & Barnstaple Railway seem to refer to the name of this station as plain "Blackmoor". Can you confirm if so then amend page heading and entries accordingly. [[Steamybrian2 (talk) 21:21, 26 September 2011 (UTC)]]  Done Page moved. --Redrose64 (talk) 06:52, 27 September 2011 (UTC) Bridgeton The history and listing of closed stations in the Bridgeton area of Glasgow was so complicated that I have left entries as you have shown. Perhaps someone with an in depth knowledge of Glasgow's railways can check them...![[Steamybrian2 (talk) 16:05, 28 September 2011 (UTC)]] This talkpage probably has very few watchers other than myself. You're probably best asking at WT:UKRAIL. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:33, 28 September 2011 (UTC) Clifton Mayfield My reference books refer to the station name as plain Clifton or Clifton (Derbyshire). "Railway Passenger Stations" by ME Quick refers to it as Clifton. Can you confirm if so please amend page heading and entries. [[Steamybrian2 (talk) 16:05, 28 September 2011 (UTC)]] Butt shows that the station was opened as plain "Clifton" by the North Staffordshire Railway on 3 May 1852, and was renamed "Clifton (Mayfield)" on 22 August 1893, and was shown as "Clifton for Mayfield" in some timetables. Closed to regular passenger traffic 1 November 1954; full closure to passengers after April 1958. Applying Wikipedia:Naming conventions (UK stations) means that we should use Clifton (Mayfield) railway station. Have moved page. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:30, 28 September 2011 (UTC) Port Glasgow Upper There is a page on this passenger station closed in 1959 however there are notes on the page asking for varification. It is not listed as a passenger station in "Passenger Railway Stations " by ME Quick. Research in "google" has stated it was a goods only station. [[Steamybrian2 (talk) 21:25, 6 October 2011 (UTC)]] Not listed in Butt either. You could try asking at WT:UKRAIL and/or WT:TIS who may have more information. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:55, 6 October 2011 (UTC) Pilton Station It would appear that this was the loco yard and goods station of the L&BR. Please amended heading to read Pilton Yard. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Steamybrian2 (talk • contribs) 18:50, 11 October 2011‎ Assuming that you mean Pilton railway station, this should become Pilton Halt railway station, per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (UK stations), see Butt p. 185. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:03, 11 October 2011 (UTC) Pitenzie Halt My records show that the station was spelt "Pittenzie" Halt. Can please amend page heading. I will amend other entries accordingly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Steamybrian2 (talk • contribs) 18:50, 11 October 2011‎ Brian, assuming that you mean Pitenzie Halt railway station, Butt (p. 186) aggrees on Pittenzie Halt railway station, but are you having difficulty performing page moves? --Redrose64 (talk) 19:03, 11 October 2011 (UTC) Yes -I do not know to amend page titles. At present having temporary problem with the computer as it keeps freezing [[Steamybrian2 (talk) 19:07, 11 October 2011 (UTC)]] I was just passing and moved the page. Britmax (talk) 19:14, 11 October 2011 (UTC) Template:WCPR map Hi. I reverted your edits here, because all references I have seen say Halt. See Oakley, Mitchell/Smith and Yorke. -mattbuck (Talk) 13:30, 18 November 2011 (UTC) I have referred to the "British Railways- Pregrouping Atlas and Gazeteer"by Ian Allan plus the tickets I have my collection from the line none of which state halt. Does the nameboard at each station have the word "halt".? [[Steamybrian2 (talk) 13:50, 18 November 2011 (UTC)]] Possibly not, but I'm not sure if that's a necessity or not. Looking again, Mitchell/Smith don't use Halt, but Oakley definitely does, so it's a bit confusing. Revert if you wish, but please make sure you're not liking to other stations. -mattbuck (Talk) 13:57, 18 November 2011 (UTC) It would appear that Col. Stephens did not generally use the word "halt" although in practice most stations were little more than a basic platform and simple nameboard. It is typical of the many stations he operated particularly around where I live here in the South East such as the Kent & East Sussex Railway, East Kent Rly, West Sussex Railway, Rye and Camber, etc. Only stations such as Junction Road and Salehurst had the word "Halt" added much later in possibly BR days. [[Steamybrian2 (talk) 14:18, 18 November 2011 (UTC)]] Unnecessary full stops Hi, with these edits, you have added two full stops which are completely unnecessary. The first is after the closing </ref> - there is already one before the opening <ref>, and per WP:REFPUNC that is the correct place. The other one that you added is immediately after the {{rail line}} template, and I don't see why this may be required - route boxes consist entirely of sentence fragments, not complete sentences, so there should be no terminal punctuation. I have fixed up both of these errors, see here. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:44, 22 December 2011 (UTC) Noted with thanks [[Steamybrian2 (talk) 19:10, 23 December 2011 (UTC)]] Closure date of Parkhead North railway station I note you have changed the closure date. The only doubt I have is that it is still referencing {{Butt-Stations}} which gives a different closure date, which in turn has been compiled from a multitude of references. It would help if date and its associated reference coincide. Can you obilige as I have Butt and but not the book you reference. RAILSCOT confirms your edit --Stewart (talk | edits) 15:56, 31 December 2011 (UTC) A check (traced through "google") on the calendar history reveals that 19th Sept.1955 was a Monday and 19th Sept. 1958 was a Friday. Closures normally take place with effect from a Monday. The book I have taken reference from was "Passengers No More" by G. Daniels and L.A. Dench and both 1st and 2nd editions agree on the dates. The ISBN number is 0 7110 0438 2 182 CM 674 [[Steamybrian2 (talk) 17:29, 31 December 2011 (UTC)]] Citation template created {{Daniels-NoMore}}. Will get the article updated in due course. --Stewart (talk | edits) 20:05, 31 December 2011 (UTC) Ashford- Ramsgate (via Canterbury West) article The map on this page requires two amendments which I cannot do- 1. The junction at Margate between the closed line from Ramsgate Town and Margate Sands faces towards Margate and not Margate East. 2. There was a station at Tivoli on the closed line between Margate Sands and Ramsgate Town. Thanks [[Steamybrian2 (talk) 19:10, 24 January 2012 (UTC)]]  Done, see here. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:21, 24 January 2012 (UTC) Looks good----thanks [[Steamybrian2 (talk) 23:28, 24 January 2012 (UTC)]] Hampton Pier branch from Chatham Main Line Regarding this branch - please see WT:UKRAIL#Reculver railway before removing it again. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:45, 24 January 2012 (UTC) As the evidence of this line would appear to rely only on a reference in one book. Occasionally references in a book can be wrong (as well as right!). I have noted that the other correspondants cannot find trace of it either. Accordingly I still have my doubts and leave the matter open for debate. [[Steamybrian2 (talk) 23:25, 24 January 2012 (UTC)]] South Western Main Line There is a small error on the map which needs correcting but I am unable to do it myself. The line to Southampton Docks is a branch off the line between Northam and Southampton Terminus and runs around the back of the former Southampton Terminus station. The map indicates it was continuation through it. This is mentioned in the "wiki" article on Southampton Terminus station.[[Steamybrian2 (talk) 15:42, 25 January 2012 (UTC)]]  Done, see here. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:06, 25 January 2012 (UTC) Excellent-[[Steamybrian2 (talk) 19:15, 25 January 2012 (UTC)]] Northern Line extension Hi, there was no need to add Category:Never constructed railway stations in the United Kingdom to Brockley Hill, Elstree South and Bushey Heath: these stations are all in Category:Never constructed Northern Heights extension stations which is a sub-category of Category:Never constructed London Underground stations which is itself a subcategory of Category:Never constructed railway stations in the United Kingdom. See WP:DIFFUSE. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:57, 25 January 2012 (UTC) South Eastern and Chatham Railway Hi, the South Eastern and Chatham Railway didn't take over the South Eastern Railway, and nor did it open any stations. The SE&CR was somewhat akin to the modern Train Operating Companies, in that it owned the locos and rolling stock, and ran the trains, but the lines and stations continued to be owned by the South Eastern Railway and the London, Chatham and Dover Railway. New stations were built and opened by either the SER or the LCDR, depending on whose lines they lay. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:57, 25 January 2012 (UTC). Information noted and I agree it was a "joint managing committee" . You have listed examples such as Bexhill West, Sidley, Snailham Halt, Teston Crossing Halt as opened by the SE&CR. Just trying to be consistant. Thanks. [[Steamybrian2 (talk) 09:14, 26 January 2012 (UTC)]] Lullingstone Can I suggest that an article be started on the constructed but un-opened station at Lullingstone. Here are a few words to start. It was planned to be a 4 platform station with 2 platforms on a branch to Lullingstone Airport to the west. First two platforms on Swanley-Otford line Completed in 1939 to serve anticipated planned development. The introduction of the post war Green Belt Act (1947?) stopped further development. Station abandoned and demolished in the 1950s with the canopy to Canterbury East. [[Steamybrian2 (talk) 18:28, 27 January 2012 (UTC)]] Why not create it yourself? See WP:YFA. In conformity with Wikipedia:Naming conventions (UK stations), it would be named Lullingstone railway station. You might like to ask Mjroots (talk · contribs) and Lamberhurst (talk · contribs) for advice, because they both have a keen interest in the railways of Kent, and Mjroots also has knowledge of airports, airfields etc. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:26, 28 January 2012 (UTC) Noted - I will try-- I am a resident of Kent living about 10 miles from Lullingstone! Thanks [[Steamybrian2 (talk) 09:50, 28 January 2012 (UTC)]] Your submission at Articles for creation Thank you for submitting an article to Wikipedia. Your draft submission has been reviewed. However, the reviewer felt that a few things need to be fixed before it is accepted. Please take a look and respond if possible. If there is no response within seven days, the request may be declined. If this happens, please feel free to continue to work on the article. You can resubmit it when you believe the concerns have been addressed. 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You may cite more or less anything written on the station, though the best sources are reliable books, magazine articles or websites which themselves are based on primary (research) sources. Please see WP:N and WP:V as a start. I have no personal opinion on the matter and no particular format or layout is mandated. with best wishes Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:17, 28 January 2012 (UTC) The word "new" meant I have never submitted an new article myself but I have corrected many articles. I was unaware that original research was forbidden but I can trace all my information if necessary from sources. If for example "What to see in January 2012 is...." is not what I quoted from a book but what I have personally seen.... which is original research because nobody else has said it. Many of the locations I have corrected above are also not what I have read but able to disprove wrong because the originator has been wrong information or made a typing error. Occasionally I have even found newspapers or books that have given wrong information which I have corrected in "wiki".[[Steamybrian2 (talk) 16:11, 28 January 2012 (UTC)]] Yes, the WP:OR rule is severe but necessary. Have you seen WP:42? Says it all really. BTW the fact that there's a lot of stuff in WP which shouldn't be here doesn't prove it's ok to do it too! cheers Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:31, 28 January 2012 (UTC) I have some references that I can add to the proposed article. Am I allowed to edit it directly? Lamberhurst (talk) 22:26, 28 January 2012 (UTC) I have decided not to create the article myself. Other readers may proceed and edit my words directly. [[Steamybrian2 (talk) 22:50, 28 January 2012 (UTC)]] I've copied the content to my userspace and I'm going to see what I can dig up. Lamberhurst (talk) 10:27, 30 January 2012 (UTC) The wiki article on "Lullingstone" (village) mentions the construction of the station. wiki aricle on Canterbury East railway station mentions the station canopy. There is a very good article on "Kent Rail" which can found through "google" which details the whole history.[[Steamybrian2 (talk) 20:32, 30 January 2012 (UTC)]] Now done - have a look at Lullingstone railway station. Lamberhurst (talk) 16:17, 12 February 2012 (UTC) Excellent- well done! Two small comments. Under "History" third line- the distance "two miles from South East London" is misleading and would prefer it to read xx miles from Victoria for example Swanley is quote 17.4 mls from Victoria. Second point- the remains of the platforms requires citation however when I am next in the area I can take a photograph and email this to you if you can provide instructions how to send a photo to you. [[Steamybrian2 (talk) 16:42, 12 February 2012 (UTC)]] I could give the distance as 19m 36ch which is what is shown on the route map in the Maidstone Line article. But I'm not sure if this is measured from Victoria. Any thoughts? As for photos, it would be good to have the two shown on the Kent Rail page, i.e. the footbridge entrance remains and the platforms. If you can get them, it would be best to upload them here to avoid the copyright problems. Lamberhurst (talk) 22:40, 12 February 2012 (UTC) Mileages on Maidstone Line match those shown in Quail vol. 5, diagrams 6A & 7, which state "Miles from Victoria via Herne Hill". However, the same diagrams each have a brown dot marked "19.39 (Lullingstone)", i.e. 19 miles 39 chains, not 19 mi 36 ch. These brown dots indicate "a former Jn, Station or Signal Box". --Redrose64 (talk) 23:19, 12 February 2012 (UTC) I agree on showing the mileage from Victoria of 19 miles 39 chains. If the weather improves later this week I plan to travel the 10 miles from home to take the photos as suggested [[Steamybrian2 (talk) 09:25, 13 February 2012 (UTC)]] Now done & route map on the Maidstone Line has been amended. I found the Quail template a little confusing as it does not distinguish between editions. As I don't have a copy, I've assumed the reference is to the most recent 2002 edition. Lamberhurst (talk) 09:33, 13 February 2012 (UTC) It now allows selection of specific editions by year, as in {{Quail-5|year=2002}}. The most recent edition is not the 2002 (2nd) but the 2008 (3rd): but the crucial information, that of 19 mi 39 ch, is the same in both of these, with the same diagram numbers, so it doesn't matter which you quote from. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:31, 13 February 2012 (UTC) Good stuff. That's also removed the unsightly double reference to the work. Lamberhurst (talk) 16:12, 13 February 2012 (UTC) Today, I visited the site of Lullingstone station and have submitted four photographs into the wiki system. I saw the station entrance gates at the entrance of the original approach road. The original approach road is still in situ after over 70 years of disuse. The entrance to the footbridge is still there but there are no other remains of the footbridge. There are still substantial remains of the platforms but difficult to photograph as there are located in a cutting lined by hawthorn bushes. [[Steamybrian2 (talk) 21:59, 15 February 2012 (UTC)]] Presumably you mean File:Lullingstone 001.JPG... somebody has raised some serious issues here, mainly to do with the total lack of licensing. They're very hot on copyright at Commons, and it may well get deleted unless valid licensing is added pretty soon. I've partially fixed up the broken template {{Information}} but you should ensure that all the other important parameters are also present and vaild. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:25, 15 February 2012 (UTC) You'll need to copy the following text into each photo: {{cc-by-sa-2.0-uk}}. I can't add it for you as that would be seen as me licensing your work. My photo of Junction Road Halt should give you an idea of what it should look like at the end: File:Junction Road Halt railway station (site).JPG. Lamberhurst (talk) 08:42, 16 February 2012 (UTC) I have just attempted to uploaded the other three photos of Lullingstone but the descriptions may need amending.[[Steamybrian2 (talk) 19:45, 16 February 2012 (UTC)]] Looks fine. You'll just need to add a licence to the first photo or they will delete it. Lamberhurst (talk) 13:19, 17 February 2012 (UTC) After much effort I think (?) I have resolved it.[[Steamybrian2 (talk) 13:51, 17 February 2012 (UTC)]] No, your first edit removed some Wiki markup which is important because Commons is a multilingual project (I have reverted that edit); and your second edit merely amended the description. There is still no licensing. As Lamberhurst stated, you need to add the proper licensing tag yourself: {{cc-by-sa-2.0-uk}} is suggested, and I don't disagree: further information on this license may be found at commons:Template:cc-by-sa-2.0-uk (personally I use {{self|cc-by-sa-3.0|GFDL}} but there is a lot of similarity, see commons:Template:cc-by-sa-3.0 and commons:Template:GFDL). You need to add the licensing tag on a line of its own, somewhere outside the {{Information}} template: I would suggest putting it just above the categories. Presently there is this: |other_versions= }} [[Category:Disused railway stations in Kent]] insert one line with the aforementioned license tag so that it becomes |other_versions= }} {{cc-by-sa-2.0-uk}} [[Category:Disused railway stations in Kent]] and this should prevent deletion on the grounds of insufficient licensing. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:08, 17 February 2012 (UTC) I have now added that line as suggested.[[Steamybrian2 (talk) 16:52, 17 February 2012 (UTC)]]. It's fine now. Just out of pure curiosity, I guess that it's not possible to get any closer to the line than the fence shown in one of your photos? I had been hoping that the cutting was reasonably accessible, but it seems not. I imagine that KentRail must have had some kind of lineside permit to get their photo? Lamberhurst (talk) 21:45, 17 February 2012 (UTC) Kent Rail must have had a lineside permit to get their photo. At the site there were some new sections of lineside fencing plus hawthorn bushes which precluded any attempt to get any nearer. The surrounding sloping ground is wet and slippery and a ploughed field up to the boundary fence made walking difficult.[[Steamybrian2 (talk) 21:59, 17 February 2012 (UTC)]] Fort George When I click on the listed entry for Fort George it directs me to the article for Gollanfield Junction which was the original name but was renamed when a station with that name opened. Can this link be corrected please?[[Steamybrian2 (talk) 13:21, 26 February 2012 (UTC)]] Listed entry where? If you believe that a link is incorrect, but you are unsure what would be the correct fix, you should raise a thread at the talk page of the article where you found the bad link. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:57, 26 February 2012 (UTC) Disambiguation link notification for March 18 Hi. When you recently edited List of closed railway stations in Britain: B, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Notts (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver). Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject. It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 10:48, 18 March 2012 (UTC) Weston Wharf On the map for Oswestry and Newtown Railway (and elsewhere) it mentions the next station south of Oswestry is named Weston Wharf (closed 1965). I cannot find any record of a passenger station with this name considering it is not on the "wiki" list of closed stations. I do however consider there may have been a goods depot or sidings with this name. Can anyone confirm ? [[Steamybrian2 (talk) 08:27, 26 March 2012 (UTC)]] It was a goods station, see Kidner, R.W. (1992) [1954]. The Cambrian Railways. The Oakwood Library of Railway History (2nd ed.). Headington: Oakwood Press. p. 95. ISBN 0-85361-439-3. OL55. I've amended the symbol to  (exBST). --Redrose64 (talk) 10:09, 26 March 2012 (UTC) Noted with thanks[[Steamybrian2 (talk) 10:50, 26 March 2012 (UTC)]] Square brackets You don't need to put the square brackets around your name, the four tildes (4x~) will sign and date your posts. Britmax (talk) 11:47, 26 March 2012 (UTC) St Leonards West Marina railway station Hi, regarding your edits to St Leonards West Marina railway station: please be careful when removing text. First, the Tonbridge-Hastings line was dieselised at the end of steam in 1967 - it was not electrified until the 1980s. Second, the item in the infobox about the station being resited in 1882 wwas sourced to Butt, p. 204. I have checked this book, and it does state that the first station was closed in 1882 and "replaced by 2nd station due east". --Redrose64 (talk) 22:10, 5 April 2012 (UTC) I disagree The Tonbridge-Hastings line was fully dieselised in 1957 and not at the end of the steam in 1967. It was electrified in 1986. This station was not on the Tonbridge-Hastings line but on the Eastbourne- Hastings (Coastway East) line. The station closed due to declining receipts and the need to incur expenditure to modernise the station which was not felt justified. I accept your views on the resiting of the station as upon reflection none of my reference books show this.[[Steamybrian2 (talk) 11:08, 6 April 2012 (UTC)]] It would appear that my previous comments have been rejected although the wiki article on the Tonbridge-Hastings line clearly confirms my comments. Steamybrian2 (talk) 08:33, 19 April 2012 (UTC) Original company Hi, I've undone this edit: all available information shows that the station was opened by the GWR, therefore |original=[[Great Western Railway]] was correct. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:35, 7 June 2012 (UTC) Noted but I was only deleting a duplicated entry of Original Company and Pregrouping Company Steamybrian2 (talk) 21:16, 7 June 2012 (UTC) It's not a duplication, it's intentional. There are also many stations which intentionally show the GWR three times, such as Slough, Reading, Didcot, Swindon, Chippenham, Bath Spa, etc. --Redrose64 (talk) 07:38, 8 June 2012 (UTC) Thameslink and citations Hi Brian. Although I don't doubt (and haven't reverted) the information you added in edit, your own personal experience is not a reliable source, and as you've been asked before, please do not put citation information in edit summaries. AlexTiefling (talk) 10:40, 13 July 2012 (UTC) A barnstar for you! The Original Barnstar Thanks for your edits on Swanscombe, if you spot similar stuff in the future please ask any active admin to revision delete it. ϢereSpielChequers 14:20, 8 August 2012 (UTC) Disambiguation link notification for August 20 Hi. When you recently edited Westcombe Park railway station, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page South Eastern Railway (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver). Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject. It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 12:07, 20 August 2012 (UTC) September 2012 Hello, I'm Redrose64. I noticed that you made a change to an article, Devonshire Street railway station, but you didn't provide a reliable source. I’ve removed it for now, but if you’d like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so! If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Regarding this edit: you changed 1843 to 1840; the date of 1843 has a source, and I have checked it, and it definitely does state 1843. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:57, 4 September 2012 (UTC) The closure date of 1840 was taken from "Forgotten Stations of Greater London" by J.E.Connor and B.L.Halford. Perhaps I should introduce myself as my real name is Brian Halford and I was the co-author of the book. Mr.J.E.Connor has done extensive research into the book particularly as he was a East Londoner. Steamybrian2 (talk) 14:12, 4 September 2012 (UTC) The problem is that you add or change information without stating where it came from. Unless you give your sources, we have no way of checking that what you add is correct or not, per the policy on verifiability. I have asked, several times before, that you please cite your sources: the page WP:CITEBEGIN describes some methods. If two books disagree, there are methods for overcoming that: see the two birth dates given for R. J. Billinton. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:04, 4 September 2012 (UTC) Order of parameters Hi, re this edit - changing the order of the parameters won't make any difference, because in a template, the order in which named parameters is given is irrelevant: the only two considerations are that (i) a blank parameter is not the same as one which is absent; and (ii) if the same named parameter occurs more than once, all except the last one are ignored - even when the last one is blank. 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On the occasion you took your photograph it may have been a "once only" occasion but I will be monitoring to see if further occasions occur particularly as I live in Kent.Steamybrian2 (talk) 09:04, 5 December 2012 (UTC) Gunhouse Wharf railway station There is an article describing this as a passenger station. My research does not indicate this as a passenger station but a goods only station. Can anyone confirm this.? Steamybrian2 (talk) 14:34, 11 December 2012 (UTC) Was the swing bridge at Keadby (which preceded the present rolling-lift bridge) brought into use after the opening of the Trent, Ancholme and Grimsby Railway? If so, there may have been temporary passenger facilities on the eastern bank of the river. Note that Gunhouse is also spelled Gunness. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:51, 11 December 2012 (UTC). Noted with thanks.Steamybrian2 (talk) 18:43, 11 December 2012 (UTC) Coombe Road railway station and Lloyd Park tramstop The history of Coombe Road station and Lloyd Park tram stop have been combined yet they are not even on the same site in fact their locations are about 200 hundred yards apart. Lloyd Park tram stop was built on literally a "green field" site as being built over part of Lloyd Park. Can their histories/articles be separated.?Steamybrian2 (talk) 14:26, 7 February 2013 (UTC) Apart from this and this, there isn't really any history to split out; and since a history split is even more difficult than a history merge (something which I usually pass on to Anthony Appleyard (talk · contribs)), it's probably easiest to build a new article at Coombe Road railway station. I don't think that there's even any point in reverting to this. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:27, 7 February 2013 (UTC) I agree a new article should be built with information on Coombe Road railway station. Steamybrian2 (talk) 16:35, 7 February 2013 (UTC) Tackley Hi, re this edit - Tackley has had a bus service for many years. When I was small, it was the X59 route, which was a long Oxford-Rugby service operated jointly by Midland Red and City of Oxford; the northern terminus became Banbury in the 1980s - about the same time, Midland Red gave up their interest. It's changed operator at least twice since, and in the last few years it's been renumbered S4, but it still runs once an hour. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:40, 10 February 2013 (UTC) Sorry for supplying false information but it was advice given to me by a friend who regularly travelled by train to visit a pub in Tackley. Steamybrian2 (talk) 10:43, 11 February 2013 (UTC) Uxbridge Road tube station Firstly it should be renamed Uxbridge Road railway station as it was a surface station and never a tube station. 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I was unable to remove the disused blob as I could not understand which part of the computer language to delete. If you would wish the "disused blob" to stay then I suggest words such as Wrexham Exchange (now combined with Wrexham General). Steamybrian2 (talk) 08:30, 31 October 2013 (UTC) That's a good point. I will tweak the diagram accordingly. Britmax (talk) 08:40, 31 October 2013 (UTC) I have now done this. Let me know what you think. Britmax (talk) 09:34, 31 October 2013 (UTC) Good- noted with thanks Steamybrian2 (talk) 13:56, 31 October 2013 (UTC) Disambiguation link notification for January 13 Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited Wetherby (Linton Road) railway station, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page North Eastern Railway (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver). Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. 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It carried passenger trains in the 1800s after which it was freight only. I am unsure now whether it is still open for freight.? I do not know the computer language to add it to the map so rather than make a mess of it I would suggest one of the editors add it.Steamybrian2 (talk) 09:46, 9 March 2014 (UTC) Never Constructed railway stations in UK In my opinion the title of this page is misleading. Both the stations listed Crowlands and Lullingstone were partly built in fact the latter was virtually completed. I suggest this page is renamed as "Stations built or started but never opened in the UK". Accordingly will then add others. Steamybrian2 (talk) 15:09, 9 March 2014 (UTC) Disambiguation link notification for June 16 Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited Sandgate railway station, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Southern Railway (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver). 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Thank you. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:50, 17 June 2014 (UTC) Between Leamington Spa and Didcot there were six stations that closed on the same date of 2nd November 1964- Kidlington, Bletchington, Fritwell, Aynho, Fenny Compton and Southam Road. That closure date is stated on the article page in Wikipedia for each station so therefore the source of information is from within Wikipedia which I thought irrelevant to state. I have rechecked it from "Passengers No More " by G.Daniels and L.Dench which agrees with the dates shown. To correct the article I have narrowed the location to between Oxford and Banbury.Steamybrian2 (talk) 08:04, 18 June 2014 (UTC) First, prior to your edit, the material was sourced to the Railway Magazine (December 1964, p. 920), which is normally considered a reliable source. This states From November 2, the London Midland Region of British Railways withdrew ... local services between Leamington Spa and Didcot—involving Kings Sutton (remains open as unstaffed halt), Southam Road & Harbury, Fenny Compton, Aynho for Deddington, and Fritwell & Somerton Stations. By altering the article from "between Leamington Spa and Didcot" to (in the first case) "between Banbury and Oxford" or (in the second case) "between Oxford and Banbury", you altered sourced information to contradict the source. Second, the policy on verifiability states that "any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be attributed to a reliable, published source using an inline citation": I challenged your edit: you must not reinstate it without providing a source that is better than (or no worse than) the Railway Magazine. Third, Wikipedia must not be used as a reference source, see WP:CIRCULAR. 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Part-way along this branch, there is a works (SH983762) on the northern side of St Asaph Road; just to the south of that road is a junction, from which there is a very short branch to the east, terminating nowhere special (SH983759) - a point to the south-west of Faenol Bach. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:58, 12 February 2015 (UTC) I have now researched further and found that part of it was built to serve Kinmel Camp which was used by the military during the period 1916-1918. I have noted that you have altered the terminal points from passenger stations to goods stations. Thank you for the information.Steamybrian2 (talk) 22:12, 12 February 2015 (UTC) Bala and Festiniog Railway The map diagram shows incorrectly the Festiniog Railway has branching south west from Blaenau Festiniog Central (GWR) station. The correct showing on the map is for the Festinog Railway to be shown running (north) adjacent to the Trawfynndd Link to adjacent to the LNWR station before heading "north west". The Trawsfynndd Link was actually built by BR along part of the original Festiniog Railway trackbed of the line to Dinas. I regret I am not able to correct the map myself as I cannot amend the computer coding .Steamybrian2 (talk) 22:35, 17 February 2015 (UTC) This page has only five watchers, including you and me. I don't know the answer, and it's possible that the other three don't know either. Rather than post on a page which has so little attention, you will probably be much more successful if you post to a widely-watched discussion page. The railway diagram is Template:Bala and Festiniog Railway and its talk page is Template talk:Bala and Festiniog Railway which only has 6 watchers; but Talk:Bala and Festiniog Railway has 16 watchers; Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Wales has 97; Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK Railways has 167; and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains has 337. 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We noticed though that when you edited Shoscombe and Single Hill Halt railway station, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Southern Railway. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject. It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 09:31, 28 October 2015 (UTC) I was uncertain whether the alteration I made was acceptable as it was "borderline". It is now been rescinded by "Redrose" with two similar alterations that I made last night which I fully accept.Steamybrian2 (talk) 12:57, 28 October 2015 (UTC) DPL bot is a bot, see its FAQ page; it ignores replies to its posts. The edit that it is notifying you about is this one, which I have not "rescinded". --Redrose64 (talk) 00:04, 29 October 2015 (UTC) Meldon Quarry For information--I have noted from the Wikipedia article that Meldon Quarry is now "currently out of use and mothballed" . As the Dartmoor Railway have built a small halt called "Meldon Quarry" the line to Okehampton and beyond is only used for heritage railway passenger services. Steamybrian2 (talk) 09:10, 30 October 2015 (UTC) Belgrave and Birstall I would recommend that the new page/ article is created separating the history of Belgrave and Birstall closed in 1963 and a new page is created illustrating the history of Leicester North built by the "Great Central" Heritage Railway society which is on a different site.Steamybrian2 (talk) 13:45, 2 November 2015 (UTC) This is the sort of thing that would be better posted at WT:UKRAIL, since only six people are watching this page. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:52, 2 November 2015 (UTC). Your recommendation has been actioned with thanksSteamybrian2 (talk) 19:07, 2 November 2015 (UTC) Disambiguation link notification for November 4 Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited St James Deeping railway station, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Great Northern Railway. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject. It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 10:26, 4 November 2015 (UTC) Selly Oak and Bournville stations I recently deleted the entry stating that the stations were closed between the 1940s and 1978 however the entry was rejected by Redrose and the entry remained with the closure dates without stating the source of the information. I have rechecked many web sites such as History of Railways in Birmingham plus books such as "Passengers No More" and cannot find any reference to such closure. I have in my possession a British Rail system map of 1968 which shows both stations open. On the website Timetable World (www.timetableworld.com) it illustrates a Western Region timetable from 1965 and on table 42 it shows the train service serving the stations. Can you please re-examine.Steamybrian2 (talk) 18:49, 4 November 2015 (UTC) See Butt (1995) pp. 40, 208 - these show that the last train called on 27 January 1941, official closure 27 November 1946, reopened 8 May 1978. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:44, 5 November 2015 (UTC) The closure dates match those of the line between Birmingham New Street- Kings Norton via Camp Hill which the line is still open for freight and occasional passenger trains. Accordingly my opinion stands that the Birmingham- Kings Norton service via Selly Oak and Bournville remained open although in May 1978 the Cross City service was introduced with a vastly improved train service. Steamybrian2 (talk) 18:08, 5 November 2015 (UTC) Quick (2009) pp. 94, 347, doesn't show the closure, however it does indicate that Selly Oak was re-sited on 13 April 1885 and known as Selly Oak & Bournbrook between 22 November 1898 and 1 April 1904. Something to add to the Xmas list, Redrose? Lamberhurst (talk) 19:49, 5 November 2015 (UTC) Eardington I recently deleted that this station was a "Beeching closure" however this edit was declined by Redrose and the entry has remained. The station did close in September 1963 and was mentioned in the Beeching Report that the closure of the station (with the line) was under consideration before the Beeching Report was issued in March 1963. I will mention that if this station is considered a "Beeching " closure then so should all the other stations on the Severn Valley Line from Shrewsbury- Kidderminster.Steamybrian2 (talk) 18:50, 23 November 2015 (UTC) ArbCom elections are now open! Hi, You appear to be eligible to vote in the current Arbitration Committee election. The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia arbitration process. It has the authority to enact binding solutions for disputes between editors, primarily related to serious behavioural issues that the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the ability to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail. If you wish to participate, you are welcome to review the candidates' statements and submit your choices on the voting page. 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I copied it from Ffridd Gate which had the same error (now corrected)Steamybrian2 (talk) 14:19, 29 February 2016 (UTC) Perivale Halt My revision of Paddington (Bishops Bridge Road) to Paddington was that the suffix Bishops Bridge Road not being added to the name Paddington station- in fact I cannot find any reference to the full name of Paddington (Bishops Bridge Road) being used. To the name of Birmingham was added the suffix Snow Hill because simply Great Western Railway trains ran to Snow Hill.Steamybrian2 (talk) 10:41, 11 March 2016 (UTC) At the time, Paddington was two separate stations, the main one and Bishop's Bridge Road (or Bishop's Road). The latter was a small station with four through platforms, and was the boundary between the Metropolitan Railway and the Hammersmith and City Railway (a joint venture of the Met and GWR). The two stations were merged in 1933, but the former Bishop's Road platforms remained somewhat autonomous, known in working timetables as Paddington Suburban until 1967, when two platforms were handed over to London Transport, and two became terminal platforms - which they still are, numbers 13 & 14. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:04, 11 March 2016 (UTC) Thanks for the information and my research confirms that Bishops Road station was renamed Paddington in 1933. I cannot find any reference to the use of the middle word "Bridge" being used. I have Metropolitan Railway tickets in my collection which just refer to "Bishops Road". Steamybrian2 (talk) 18:29, 13 March 2016 (UTC) I looked at the article's history to see where the term arose - it's in the original version. We could ask the article's creator, Domplacid,osb (talk · contribs), but that was their only edit. It mentions Connor, J.E.; Halford, B.L. The Forgotten Stations of Greater London. Connor and Butler. p. 77. ISBN 0-947699-17-1. - do you have that book? --Redrose64 (talk) 20:52, 13 March 2016 (UTC) (talk page stalker) I don't have that book but I do have Connor, J.E. (2000). GWR Disused Stations in Greater London. Connor and Butler. p. 77. ISBN 0-947699-31-7. and it would seem that the original editor was under a misapprehension. At page 34, it is said that "At the time of its construction [Paddington], the surrounding district was semi-rural, with a footpath passing through open fields. With the advent of the railway however this was rebuilt to become Bishops Road and it has since been renamed Bishops Bridge Road." There is no indication that Paddington was ever known as Bishops Bridge Road and this is confirmed by Quick, p. 256. Lamberhurst (talk) 21:48, 13 March 2016 (UTC) What does Quick say about Paddington (Bishop's Road) - i.e. omitting the word "Bridge"? Various authors, MacDermot included, use the suffix "(Bishop's Road)" specifically for what are now platforms 13-16. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:55, 13 March 2016 (UTC) Reference:::*Connor, J.E.; Halford, B.L. The Forgotten Stations of Greater London. Connor and Butler. p. 77. ISBN 0-947699-17-1. - do you have that book? I have the book which states on page 120 Bishops Road renamed Paddington 10.09.1933 I have "Chronology of London Railways by H.V.Borley (ISBN 0 901461 33 4) which states Paddington (Bishops Road) renamed Paddington 10.09.1933. I do not now have the book by M.E.Quick.(I did have it recently !)Steamybrian2 (talk) 22:14, 13 March 2016 (UTC) Quick (p. 256) states that Paddington (Bishops Road) [no apostrophe] opened 10 Jan 1863, was amalgamated into the main station 10 Sept 1933 and was known as Paddington Suburban from 1936. No mention of "Bridge". Lamberhurst (talk) 22:47, 13 March 2016 (UTC) Following this discussion I have amended Bishops Bridge Road to Bishops RoadSteamybrian2 (talk) 12:52, 14 March 2016 (UTC) Disambiguation link notification for March 17 Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited Salt and Sandon railway station, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Great Northern Railway. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject. It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 11:27, 17 March 2016 (UTC) Disambiguation link notification for March 24 Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited Skellingthorpe railway station, you added links pointing to the disambiguation pages Lincoln and Gainsborough. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject. It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 10:37, 24 March 2016 (UTC) London Transport (brand name)from 1933 I have made a number of amendments altering entries dated after 1933 from London Transport to London Passenger Transport Board. It was my impression that LPTB was introduced in 1933 and LT was formed in 1948. The tickets from my collection between this period are headed LPTB but have found in my archives a 1936 map headed LT. Accordingly I have researched this further and quoting from the articles on Wikipedia it states that LT was used as a brand name from 1933. Apologies for causing extra work but I have noted this for future reference.Steamybrian2 (talk) 11:14, 25 March 2016 (UTC) London Transport was the trading name of several organisations, and these included the London Passenger Transport Board. The body created in 1948 was the London Transport Executive, which like the parallel Railway Executive, reported to the British Transport Commission. Please be very careful when you change information on featured articles. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:45, 25 March 2016 (UTC) Wollerton Halt I have been trying to research the opening date of this halt on the Market Drayton to Wellington line closed 1963. One reference states it opened in 1867 whilst another states it opened in 1930. It does not appear in the "BR Pregrouping Atlas and Gazetteer" published by Ian Allan. Can anyone quote from M.E.Quick or R.V.Butt books so that I can refer to them.Steamybrian2 (talk) 12:41, 28 March 2016 (UTC) No halts opened as early as 1867 - it's a twentieth-century term. However, some stations were downgraded to halts (usually by losing most if not all staff) and renamed at the same time, but this was not one of them. Butt shows that Wollerton Halt opened 2 November 1931, closed 9 September 1963. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:14, 29 March 2016 (UTC) Thanks for the information and I have amended the station entry accordinglySteamybrian2 (talk) 11:53, 29 March 2016 (UTC) Examined every entry After several months work I have examined every entry of the Closed Stations as listed in the index. With the information I have available I have examined the information as given although some entries I could not complete such as unable to find some station opening dates. Some items that require further information added are - numbers of platforms on M&GN Joint Rly stations between Yarmouth/Norwich to Peterborough/Bourne. Add companies to categories of the Joint line Bottesford- Market Harborough also Whitehaven, Cleator and Egremont Railway. The closure dates shown in categories I was uncertain whether to use passenger or goods closure dates so in most cases I have altered to passenger closure dates but a few I have left as the complete closure date particularly where regular specials used it. If I still come across any further corrections then I will amend them Steamybrian2 (talk) 11:53, 29 March 2016 (UTC) Disambiguation link notification for April 5 Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that you've added some links pointing to disambiguation pages. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject. Hull Botanic Gardens railway station added a link pointing to North Eastern Railway List of closed railway stations in Britain: M-O added a link pointing to Salford It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 10:58, 5 April 2016 (UTC) Circle Line (Underground) Renaming date of Paddington (Bishops Road)to Paddington in 1933 was a date we agreed in earlier correspondence confirmed also by editor "Lamberhurst" -- see earlier item headed "Perivale Halt" on my user talk page. Occasionally reference books and web pages do give wrong dates which are then copied forward. Please reconsider my original submission of the 1933 date Steamybrian2 (talk) 20:18, 23 April 2016 (UTC) For a very long time, Wikipedia has had a policy on verifiability - I have mentioned this before, on several occasions. If something in an article carries a reference to a reliable source, you should not alter that information without either discussing it first on the talk page, or providing a source that is more reliable; preferably both. As far as Underground dates are concerned, Douglas Rose is one of the best that there is. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:49, 23 April 2016 (UTC) I have known Jim Connor for many, many years who is a well known historian, lecturer and author on London Railways. I have met Nick Catford many times who is author of "Disused Stations" web site. I give both of them my full support with their original research and I have contributed towards their publications when they publish my real name.Steamybrian2 (talk) 09:19, 25 April 2016 (UTC) You removed sourced information (including its source) and replaced it with a completely unsourced date. You may have got your information from Connor and/or Catford: but we have no way of telling, because you did not cite your source. It should not matter whether you have met them or not (I've met a few railway authors myself but I never say so when citing one of their books): what matters is the policy on verifiability, and closely linked to that, the reliability of your sources. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:54, 25 April 2016 (UTC) SKLR Please see Wikipedia:Categorization#Categorizing_pages. In particular note that: "In addition, each categorized page should be placed in all of the most specific categories to which it logically belongs. This means that if a page belongs to a subcategory of C (or a subcategory of a subcategory of C, and so on) then it is not normally placed directly into C." "Heritage railways in Kent" is a subcategory of "Heritage railways in England", therefore the SKLR should not be placed in the latter category. I'm about to revert your change for this reason, if you disagree please take it to the talk page and discuss it there. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 20:56, 30 April 2016 (UTC) Borderlands Line I've relabelled the line you changed from "North Wales Main Line" to "Freight Line". It appears from the old OS map I looked at as part of the Wrexham, Mold and Connah's Quay Railway and appears on the RDT for that article as such. Have a look and see what you think. Britmax (talk) 15:23, 21 May 2016 (UTC) Agreed- ThanksSteamybrian2 (talk) 15:47, 21 May 2016 (UTC) Strapp Lane Halt (East Somerset Railway RDT) Is this exactly the same station but with a different spelling as Strap Lane Halt, that closed in 1950? I note that mention is made above of the East Somerset Railway RDT, but there appears to be no mention made on that of the station you have named. Are you awaiting clarification before entering this station on that line template? Xenophon Philosopher (talk) 23:48, 11 January 2017 (UTC) I have now made an entry with the spelling of Strap Lane Halt on the template as this it is how it appears where it is shown on other templates Xenophon Philosopher (talk) 06:14, 14 January 2017 (UTC) Isle of Wight Central Railway I hope you realise that rather than show open and closed railways this RDT show ex IoWCR metals as dark red and the rest as light red? Britmax (talk) 16:05, 22 May 2016 (UTC) Oh Dear- sorry about that- I have just read the small print. Please amend/ delete my alterations accordingly Steamybrian2 (talk) 16:10, 22 May 2016 (UTC) Forrestfield The page name Forrestfield railway station has been cleared, so you can proceed with writing the history of the Bathgate and Coatbridge Railway‎ station of that name. (The station with same name in Australia is now at Forrestfield railway station, Perth.) Useddenim (talk) 15:58, 30 May 2016 (UTC) Bridport: Beeching? While the Bridport line was listed in the Reshaping (published 1963) the line hung around and closed in 1975. Do you think this much delay (and this also affects the Alston line which closed in 1976) means there is a discussion to be had as to whether they still qualify as Beeching closures? I would think that Alston was the last Beeching closure, but that does place it thirteen years after the report was published... Britmax (talk) 18:11, 10 July 2016 (UTC). I was surprised that the Bridport and Alston lines were mentioned in the main article as the last two "Beeching" closures. BR continued to close lines into the 1980s which were listed in the Beeching Report. I will leave it to you to discuss with other Editors whether these qualify as a "Beeching" closure or what they classify as the latest date. Do consider that the planned closure in the 1960s of both the Bridport and Alston lines were postponed several times (arranging substitute buses) before they were finally closed in the 1970s. Steamybrian2 (talk) 18:40, 10 July 2016 (UTC) @Britmax: Afaik, the last such closure was the Woodside and South Croydon Joint Railway in 1983. The thing with Beeching nominated closures is that once proposed for closure, they generally never really went away. If the first attempt was unsuccessful, a second was made. This was the case for both Alston and Woodside. As for whether these are "Beeching closures" depends on what is meant by that term. As Beeching was not directly responsible for any closure, it could be seen as a closure following a recommendation made in the report. This could cover a closure such as Bridport where the line closed on the fourth attempt after Beeching. Lamberhurst (talk) 20:09, 10 July 2016 (UTC) Fair points all. I don't think it was me who added the Bridport and Alston lines as the last Beechings. I can remember the Woodside line closing. Britmax (talk) 21:03, 10 July 2016 (UTC) Southampton Airport Parkway railway station I'd like to know how long it was closed for but you're probably right. Sorry. Britmax (talk) 15:32, 11 August 2016 (UTC) North Friesland Railway Why did you remove Category:Light railways from the article? Mjroots (talk) 16:39, 11 August 2016 (UTC). Because I thought this category was for UK railways only. Maybe this category should be amended to Light Railways UK..? Steamybrian2 (talk) 17:48, 11 August 2016 (UTC) I'm not aware that it is UK only, although UK railways have the benefit of a legal definition of what is a light railway. As the NFR article states, it was clearly a light railway in construction and operation. Mjroots (talk) 18:32, 11 August 2016 (UTC) Disambiguation link notification for August 21 Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. 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Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject. It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 11:05, 12 October 2016 (UTC) Millers Dale Hi - is [1] a typo for the year the station closed? The ref states that the station closed in 1967 - I'll check it tonight. Optimist on the run (talk) 13:03, 19 October 2016 (UTC) The [1] beside the closure date means it is confirmed in "Directory of Railway Stations by R.V.J.Butt" which is stated lower down the page . This date is also agreed in other publications such as "Passengers No More" by G.Daniels and L.Dench. Steamybrian2 (talk) 14:12, 19 October 2016 (UTC) I saw the ref, but didn't have a copy of Butt to hand at the time to check that the article matched the reference. I just wondered why you changed year the station closed to 1968. I've just checked, and Butt definitely states 1967. Optimist on the run (talk) 15:36, 19 October 2016 (UTC). Please recheck my alterations carefully because I did not alter the year when the station closed in 1967..! Express trains continued to pass through the station until the last express train ran 30 June 1968 when the line through the station was closed which is what I added (ref- Passengers No More by G.Daniels and L.Dench-- second edition page 33).Steamybrian2 (talk) 16:50, 19 October 2016 (UTC) Your edit here changed the text to read "The station closed in 1968 but trains continued to pass through the station until 1968 when the line was closed" (my emphasis). As I stated, I presume it was a typo. Optimist on the run (talk) 17:06, 19 October 2016 (UTC) Hastings Line Pleast add a ref for your addition. This is a featured article which I put a lot of work into. Mjroots (talk) 18:14, 25 October 2016 (UTC) I have added Grove Hill Tunnel "was concrete slab tracked in 1985" (# 1. I have photographs taken in 1985 of the last trains to Eridge passing the work in progress. # 2. It is stated in the Wikipedia article on Hastings Line -paragraph on "Electric era" first paragraph last line). Reference I have deleted closure of St Leonards Warrior Square between 1870- 1917. If in doubt please reexamine. (From Steamybrian a local resident of Kent Steamybrian2 (talk) 18:26, 25 October 2016 (UTC) ) Mjroots (talk · contribs) is quite correct: Hastings Line is a featured article and so we should strive to maintain a high standard for both content and referencing. I have informed you on several occasions on how to add references. Using photographs fails WP:NOR. Using Wikipedia itself fails WP:CIRCULAR. Putting "I have deleted closure of St Leonards Warrior Square between 1870- 1917. If in doubt please reexamine" on your own talk page in no way satisfies WP:V. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:49, 25 October 2016 (UTC) I know the tunnel is slab tracked, but I didn't consider it important enough to add to that section. As you have added it, the burden is on you to prove it - or it goes. BTW, I was on the very last service from Eridge to Tonbridge on 6 July 1985. Mjroots (talk) 05:46, 26 October 2016 (UTC). You wrote a very good article on the Hastings Line for which I have no comments to make. As previously mentioned above you actually stated in the paragraph "Electric Era" in the last line that the tunnel was slab tracked in 1985. You have not stated yourself where this information came from. As a final correction I was also on the last train between Tunbridge Wells West- Grove Junction on 6th July 1985 which terminated at Tunbridge Wells Central (not Tonbridge) and there was another later train between Eridge and TWW only. I was working for BR (Southern Region) at the time.Steamybrian2 (talk) 08:50, 26 October 2016 (UTC) "As previously mentioned above you actually stated in the paragraph "Electric Era" in the last line that the tunnel was slab tracked in 1985. You have not stated yourself where this information came from." - Are you sure about that? Re last train, I was travelling back to Tonbrigde, so quite likely there was a change at TWC, although the regular service was Tonbridge - Eridge, the remant of the former Tonbridge - Eastbourne via Heathfield service. Mjroots (talk) 16:30, 26 October 2016 (UTC) There's a reference here and here (p. 18) for slab tracking through Wells and Grove Hill Tunnels. This page indicates that it was completed in October 1985. Lamberhurst (talk) 17:39, 26 October 2016 (UTC) Closure dates of stations It is discussion point on whether a station closure date is the day when the last train ran or the first date when services ceased to operate. The dates I normally quote are the first date when services were withdrawn and are taken from books such as Passengers No More by G.Daniels and L.Dench, Chronology of London Railways by H.V.Borley and the various books on Disused Stations by J.E.Connor and B.Halford. In the past I have referred to the book with the name of (or similar) Register of Closed Stations by M.E.Quick which in the past I borrowed for reference however I do not have the excellent book by R.V.Butt. Some examples of dates I have used are the Crystal Palace High Level branch on which the last timetabled service ran on Sat. 18th September 1954, an enthusiasts special ran on Sunday 19th September and the BR official date of closure was Monday 20th September 1954. On the Woodside- Selsdon line the last train ran on Friday 13th May 1983 ( I was on it!) as there were no trains on Saturdays or Sundays so the effective closure issued on BR notices and official documents was Monday 16th May 1983. Accordingly I have tried to be consistent with the official date on when no trains ran which so far you have accepted. It appears that the policy has been changed by the books issued by Rose. Please discuss/clarify.Steamybrian2 (talk) 09:16, 14 November 2016 (UTC) You should probably post this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK Railways. Useddenim (talk) 13:45, 14 November 2016 (UTC) Littlehampton railway station Thank you for your recent edit to the article on the Littlehampton railway station. Do you happen to have the page number in Clark A Southern Region Record for the opening date (1846) of the earlier Arundel & Littlehampton Station? --Bejnar (talk) 17:16, 22 November 2016 (UTC) It is repeated twice - On page 64 as Arundel & Littlehampton open 16 March 1846 closed 1 Sep 1863. On page 79 as Littlehampton original station on main line (dates as shown in previous sentence). Steamybrian2 (talk) 17:41, 22 November 2016 (UTC) Thanks. I have added those to the citation in the Littlehampton railway station article. --Bejnar (talk) 17:36, 23 November 2016 (UTC) On that matter, and also this edit and similar, what exactly is Southern Region Record - a book, a periodical, or something else? The more information that you can provide (and not just page numbers) the better, in accordance with the policy on verifiability. More information at WP:CITE. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:21, 27 November 2016 (UTC) It was a book issued in 1964 by The Oakwood Press. It contains a large number of facts and figures specifically relating to lines/stations in the former BR (Southern Region) including lines west of Exeter to Padstow, Bude, Ilfracombe, etc. Such entries includes the dates stations opened/closed or renamed. The dates lines opened, closed, resignalled, electrified or widened (e.g. from 2 to 4 tracks). Principal Parliamentary Acts and Orders and a selection of unusual train services and named trains.Steamybrian2 (talk) 22:12, 27 November 2016 (UTC) Can I please urge you to include page numbers in every reference - despite comments above, you are still providing the most scanty of information, as with this. I have previously directed you to Wikipedia:Verifiability, Wikipedia:Citing sources and even Help:Referencing for beginners - all of these suggest the inclusion of page numbers. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:44, 30 November 2016 (UTC) Margam railway station Moved to Template talk:South Wales Railway RDT Please read WP:MULTI. Useddenim (talk) 16:44, 23 November 2016 (UTC) infobox Ruddington & East Leake This infobox appears to be for open railway stations on heritage railways, both Ruddington & East Leake are closed stations. --palmiped |  Talk  13:09, 27 December 2016 (UTC) My apologies for copying across the wrong template from another article. For both stations I have now amended info box from "UK heritage stations" to "UK disused stations".Steamybrian2 (talk) 14:21, 27 December 2016 (UTC) Marston Vale line Thanks for your work to improve the datings on stations on this line. Are you associated with disused-stations.org? [V good material there!] I see that stations on the Varsity Line are the current task. Anyway, rather than fill your page up with individual stations I've started this section and will nest individual stations under it as I come to them.--John Maynard Friedman (talk) 14:03, 11 January 2017 (UTC) Fenny Stratford Have you any source to support the stated opening date? [Is it in Clinker's Register of Closed Passenger Stations and Goods Depots in England, Scotland and Wales 1830-1977?] The en.wp article at Fenny Stratford makes uncited claims and the Disused-Stations has two different dates, neither is cited. Is there a citation for the Duke of Bedford insisting on Gothic Revival? btw, that article has a good example of how to cite different pages from the same book (Simpson, Oxford to Cambridge Railway). --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 14:03, 11 January 2017 (UTC) I do contribute towards the Disused Stations web site where my real name is credited as a contributor to many of the articles written by Nick Catford who I have met on many occasions. He lives only a few miles away from where I live in Kent.! I do not have Clinkers Register of Closed Passenger Stations but did borrow M.E.Quicks book which lists closed stations which I used to undertake research for other articles on the Wikipedia web site. In regard to Fenny Stratford there is a misprint in Nick Catfords article which at the top of the page states open 1905 but further down the page shows a plan of the station in 1881. In the main article it states open 1846 which agrees to this article.. http://www.mkheritage.co.uk/wsc/docs/1846%20railway.html. I would therefore suggest as citation you use the aforementioned web site in addition to Nick Catford's Disused Stations web site (forgetting the typo error of 1905). Please note that other Wikipedia editors have used Mr. R.V.Butt "List of Railway Stations" but even this has proved to be incorrect with a recent example giving a station opening date before the line was constructed. Steamybrian2 (talk) 14:31, 11 January 2017 (UTC) TYVM. BTW, you might like to suggest Denbigh Hall for inclusion on Disused Stations, I don't see it there. Good luck with finding any used tickets for it though! --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 15:56, 11 January 2017 (UTC) At present Nick Catford is compiling Disused Stations website by writing articles on several stations together along the same route. He is also trying to spread the routes evenly around the country so that they are not biased towards any one area. I have scanned some tickets from my collection for him to illustrate in his next article on Birmingham Snow Hill- Wolverhampton Low Level..!.Steamybrian2 (talk) 16:22, 11 January 2017 (UTC) Disambiguation link notification for March 21 Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited List of rail accidents in the United Kingdom, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Dungeness. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject. It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 09:56, 21 March 2017 (UTC) Disambiguation link notification for April 28 Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. 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One is to use the preview feature, another is to use a sandbox. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 09:06, 18 June 2017 (UTC) ArbCom 2017 election voter message Hello, Steamybrian2. Voting in the 2017 Arbitration Committee elections is now open until 23.59 on Sunday, 10 December. All users who registered an account before Saturday, 28 October 2017, made at least 150 mainspace edits before Wednesday, 1 November 2017 and are not currently blocked are eligible to vote. Users with alternate accounts may only vote once. The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia arbitration process. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. 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The line is not open for timetabled passenger services. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 11:21, 27 December 2017 (UTC) The following trains are timetabled over the line- Mons- Sats 1M76 1935 Newcastle-Birmingham, Saturdays 1E68 1747 Southampton-York, Sundays 1V48 0810 Leeds-Plymouth Steamybrian2 (talk) 15:41, 27 December 2017 (UTC) Can I please discuss this matter with another editor as in my opinion the line between Lichfield Trent Valley (HL) and Winchnor Jn is officially classed as "open" albeit the regular stopping train service was withdrawn in 1965.Steamybrian2 (talk) 15:34, 29 December 2017 (UTC) References Alton Towers railway station Hi there, I am somewhat irked by the title of this article. For 105 years the station was know as Alton and for the last 11 years only as Alton Towers. Personally I've always thought of it as simply Alton. Do you know if there is a set rule on Wikipedia as to what stations with several names have to be called? Many thanks Cls14 (talk) 21:47, 22 May 2018 (UTC) (talk page watcher) @Cls14: Yes, it is Wikipedia:Naming conventions (UK stations) (or WP:NCUKSTATIONS for short). In brief: this is a closed station so we use the name at the time of closure. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 07:29, 23 May 2018 (UTC) I agree with Redrose64 (and the policy I use) that the stations are referred to by the name at the time of closure. Another example is Folkestone Junction which held that name for over 100 years to be renamed Folkestone East 4 years before closure in 1965.Steamybrian2 (talk) 08:21, 23 May 2018 (UTC) Marland Works railway station (aka Peters Marland) I have found reference to this station (for staff only) only when it was the terminus of the 3 feet narrow gauge railway. I am surprised that the references listed can confirm its existence. It was not used when the line was reconstructed for standard gauge trains and certainly did not close in 1965. I would recommend that this article been heavily modified or deleted.Steamybrian2 (talk) 23:31, 10 November 2018 (UTC) Opening dates I notice that you have changed some dates of station openings to match line openings. I would advise you to check that they are the same as simply altering the date to that of the line opening in another Wikipedia article risks using Wikipedia as its own source. If you are already doing this, apologies. Britmax (talk) 12:47, 15 November 2018 (UTC). Such alterations are normally cross checked from several sources to confirm that the dates all match. In the case of the opening date of Hemsby then it matches that mentioned in the article on the M&GN.Steamybrian2 (talk) 15:36, 15 November 2018 (UTC) Good. Britmax (talk) 15:43, 15 November 2018 (UTC) ArbCom 2018 election voter message Hello, Steamybrian2. Voting in the 2018 Arbitration Committee elections is now open until 23.59 on Sunday, 3 December. 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MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 18:42, 19 November 2018 (UTC) Stranraer port road railway Given that you were last to have edited Portpatrick and Wigtownshire Joint Railway, I'm guessing that you might be in a better position to clean up a small mess? The article A75 road has a section called 'Port Road railway line' that an anon editor has cleaned up and then, rightfully IMO, questioned why it is in a road article in the first place. My inclination is to just delete it but perhaps you might consider it worth rehoming this stray cat? --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 18:16, 20 November 2018 (UTC). Please discuss this with one of the editors of Wikipedia or alter it yourself. I am not getting involved.Steamybrian2 (talk) 18:39, 20 November 2018 (UTC) Steamybrian2, you are an editor yourself. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:55, 20 November 2018 (UTC) Upon further consideration I have decided to deleted the entry as it duplicates the information elsewhere. I have no further knowledge of the A75 Steamybrian2 (talk) 09:31, 22 November 2018 (UTC) I only asked because I believed that it would be highly presumptuous for someone from the south-east of England to change information about the west of Scotland never even having been there. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 17:17, 22 November 2018 (UTC). I fully agree. In principle I do not like getting involved in subjects (such as A75 road) for which I have no knowledge. Accordingly I wanted another editor to deal with it.Steamybrian2 (talk) 09:58, 23 November 2018 (UTC) Disambiguation link notification for December 16 Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Fort Brockhurst railway station, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Southern Railway (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver). Such links are usually incorrect, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of unrelated topics with similar titles. 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You realise, I trust, that this means that you have just volunteered to update Bletchley railway station#History to match? Pretty please? --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 17:17, 1 June 2019 (UTC). I was only correcting conflicting information. I do not plan to make any further updates to the history of Bletchley station.Steamybrian2 (talk) 19:34, 1 June 2019 (UTC) Shortest standard gauge passenger railway in Britain. Alne branch? No, probably Stourbridge Town branch line (3/4 mile junction to terminus). Britmax (talk) 08:31, 22 June 2019 (UTC) Whilst I agree with you being the shortest branch line but the Waterloo & City Line is entirely self contained in having its own depot and not connected to the national rail system.Steamybrian2 (talk) 09:52, 22 June 2019 (UTC) The Stourbridge branch also has its own depot, and is self contained inasmuch as trains do not run through from the main system. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 16:05, 22 June 2019 (UTC) Disambiguation link notification for July 17 An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Donington Road railway station, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Donington (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver). (Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 10:15, 17 July 2019 (UTC) Bletchley- Bicester and Aylesbury line As part of the EastWest rail project these lines are planned to reopen for passenger services in 2025. This has been inserted into some of the articles in Wikipedia particularly the article on the East West Rail. I have made two attempts to insert articles that the line THROUGH the other closed stations will be reopened but these have been rejected as requiring references. The Wikipedia article for one of the closed stations Verney Junction states that the line THROUGH the station will be reopened. Please can a senior editor note that the line through the stations at Launton, Marsh Gibbon, Claydon, Swanbourne, Calvert, Quainton Road and Waddesdon will also be reopened. Accordingly my entries should be accepted. Steamybrian2 (talk) 09:15, 30 July 2019 (UTC) As advised elsewhere, you need to use sources that explicitly support your claims. You need to observe WP:V, WP:SYNTH and WP:CRYSTAL, amongst others. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 10:53, 30 July 2019 (UTC) Please refer the matter to a senior editor. Firstly- I would recommend you first look at a railway atlas such as Ian Allan Pregrouping Atlas page 10 which shows the route and the stations it passes through. Secondly look at the Wikipedia article on the Varsity route which also shows the route and the closed stations. Steamybrian2 (talk) 11:41, 30 July 2019 (UTC) Not wanting to state the obvious, but if there's such a thing as a senior editor when it comes to UK railways myself and Redrose would be it, and we've now both told you to knock it off. We have no interest in what East West Rail's press releases say, as transport scheme promoters are notorious for announcing unapproved or unfunded schemes as faits accomplis to try to build public support (how many times have the Croxley Rail Link or direct London-Germany rail links been announced now?); if you can't cite a fact to independent, third party, reliable sources, Wikipedia doesn't want it. (With particular regard to this edit, Quainton Road isn't going to "remain closed" as it isn't closed now and there are no plans to close it; it no longer has scheduled passenger service but it still gets regular charter passenger traffic.) We make allowances for new editors who don't understand Wikipedia's rules, but you're not a new editor and have had our requirements on sourcing and on what's appropriate for inclusion explained to you repeatedly. ‑ Iridescent 15:39, 30 July 2019 (UTC) I have the Ian Allan Pregrouping Atlas (four copies, to be exact, in two different editions) and this says nothing whatsoever about any plan to reopen the line, let alone which stations will or will not be reopened. I have asked you to read WP:SYNTH: have you done so yet? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:45, 30 July 2019 (UTC) The Ian Allan Pregrouping Atlas states the stations and lines open in 1923 and shows the stations mentioned above which the reopened route between Bicester/Aylesbury and Bletchley will pass through but the only station proposed to reopen will be Winslow. The Wikipedia article on the EastWest Rail also shows the route. I have not yet read WP:SYNTH: but will do when I have plenty of time. Finally I travelled over the line between Bicester- Bletchley before the line closed end of 1967 and took photographs and have tickets from some of the intermediate stations.Steamybrian2 (talk) 08:35, 31 July 2019 (UTC) Steamybrian2, let me put this more plainly. You've been active for a decade and have over 16,000 edits; WP:BITE does not apply to you, and if you're not willing or able to comply with our most basic policies on sourcing, you'll be treated no differently to any other disruptive editor. Unless you can find an independent source that specifically states whatever information you want to add, and unless you then cite that source in the appropriate place in the article, then Wikipedia does not want that information regardless of whether or not you personally believe it to be true. We're not a blog or a hobbyist site, we're a tertiary source, and we only reproduce information that already appears in reliable sources ("reliable sources" by our definition, not yours). ‑ Iridescent 19:08, 31 July 2019 (UTC) I have received little or no thanks for over a decade of work with over 16,000 edits. Of those a very small number have proved to be incorrect. My sources of information have been from a variety of sources from British Railway records to my own personal diaries, photographs, tickets and records dating back to 1966. Some of this information is issued in web sites such as Nick Catford's "Disused Stations" and Gary Thornton's "Six Bells Junction" web sites for which the authors are very grateful. It is easy in such work that errors creep in and both web sites as well as published books contain some errors or misprints. It is therefore unwise to merely cite a book and its page and copy such information into Wikipedia without first cross checking. Occasionally I have deleted these "cites" as incorrect particularly when it contradicts information issued elsewhere. In one instance I travelled on the last train over the line and recorded it in my diary, got issued with a correctly dated ticket took photographs but subsequently found that the closure date was wrongly shown in Wikipedia because the date had been misprinted in a magazine. I subsequently altered it but such edit was refused as it cited the magazine article..! Another example recently was closure date of Framlingham to goods. The date given was 1963 as quoted from a CAMRA Good Beer Guide. I cross checked three sources of information as being 1965 including British Railways records but as per previous instructions I did not delete 1963 but left it as quoted by the Good Beer Guide( maybe this is more reliable information than BR Records...). The moral of the story is "cite your source" but first check that the source is correct.Steamybrian2 (talk) 20:05, 1 August 2019 (UTC) ArbCom 2019 election voter message Hello! Voting in the 2019 Arbitration Committee elections is now open until 23:59 on Monday, 2 December 2019. All eligible users are allowed to vote. Users with alternate accounts may only vote once. The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia arbitration process. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. 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I can only suggest approaching Nick Catford who compiles the Disused Stations website.(Steamybrian2 (talk) 19:34, 2 March 2020 (UTC)) It's not covered there. Mjroots (talk) 07:56, 3 March 2020 (UTC) I am aware he has not yet issued an article but suggest emailing him.[[92.9.183.146 (talk) 08:36, 3 March 2020 (UTC)]] Template:Norfolk and Suffolk Joint Railway Your recent edits to Template:Norfolk and Suffolk Joint Railway left the template with a missing file, so I temporarily undid them. I look forward to seeing the finished edit. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 01:55, 16 August 2020 (UTC) The page is now correct. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 19:00, 17 August 2020 (UTC) Swanbourne I don't have time ATM but there may well be the citation for demolition at one of the two EWR Alliance progress reports cited at Bletchley Flyover. Sorry, I should have thought of that first before I reverted your edit but I've already spent too long on it. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 11:33, 29 September 2020 (UTC). It is pictured on youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXyl5yY7EwY. Please reinstate my edit as correct.Steamybrian2 (talk) 14:53, 29 September 2020 (UTC) As you know, YouTube is not an RS. Yes, in all probability it is exactly what it says on the tin, but we can't be certain: it could be anywhere. Per wp:NOTNEWS, I suggest we can afford to wait until it hits the local newspapers and I'll do it then. Worrying that it is not mentioned on either of the EWR Alliance reports? (https://sway.office.com/TIOexsAKqMk5IGZ6 and https://sway.office.com/OJUHZZkvJJSSA8oS). Nor in the TWAO? Maybe it will be on the EWRA October report when it comes out. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 15:45, 29 September 2020 (UTC) The October newsletter from the EWR2 Alliance has finally emerged, and reports the station demolition. Since you identified it first, would you like to do the update? Citation is EWR2 Project Newsletter - Autumn 2020 : Newton Longville, Horwood & Swanbourne. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 17:51, 31 October 2020 (UTC) Sorry, too late, another editor got in first. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 20:08, 31 October 2020 (UTC) Disambiguation link notification for October 1 An automated process has detected that when you recently edited List of rail trails, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Haverhill. (Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 07:28, 1 October 2020 (UTC) Disambiguation link notification for October 17 An automated process has detected that when you recently edited List of closed railway stations in Britain: B, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page North Eastern Railway. (Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 06:14, 17 October 2020 (UTC) Woodsford Halt In September 2017, you added this halt to the template for South Western Main Line. Could you please tell me what made you aware of the existence of this halt, and what you are using as a source? Thank you. Britmax (talk) 18:42, 15 November 2020 (UTC) The book- Private and Untimetabled Railway Stations by G.Croughton and others page 143 (purpose- Army Camp) ISBN 0 85361 281 1 Steamybrian2 (talk) 23:26, 15 November 2020 (UTC) Interesting. Could you please cite this in the template as a source that is not quoted is the same as a source that does not exist. Britmax (talk) 11:40, 16 November 2020 (UTC) Sorry- I do not understand. Do you mean cite it in the template as a source? Steamybrian2 (talk) 16:21, 17 November 2020 (UTC) ArbCom 2020 Elections voter message Hello! Voting in the 2020 Arbitration Committee elections is now open until 23:59 (UTC) on Monday, 7 December 2020. All eligible users are allowed to vote. Users with alternate accounts may only vote once. 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MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 02:27, 24 November 2020 (UTC) Disambiguation link notification for December 23 An automated process has detected that when you recently edited List of closed railway stations in Britain: K-L, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Great Northern Railway. (Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 06:21, 23 December 2020 (UTC) Headcorn Junction railway station I've undone your edits to the Headcorn Junction railway station article. Per the quoted source, the junction with the SEML was originally on the Ashford side of the station. It was later moved to the Tonbridge side. Mjroots (talk) 06:29, 7 March 2021 (UTC) Rather than starting a new thread, I'll append to this one. In the case of the edit on Marshlink line, removing the statement that all lines except the main and Dungeness freight closed in 1967 would give the reader the impression that the Rye Harbour branch is still open (which, of course, it isn't). I also don't understand why you wanted to remove the claim that the line was slow to be modernised. The detail for this is in the article, stating how the station was gas-light well into the 1970s and stands out now like a sore thumb as one of the few non-electrified railways in the South East, causing all sorts of wasted potential. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:52, 8 March 2021 (UTC). During the late 1950s/early 1960s in preparation for the aborted electrification a lot of modernisation work was done in advance. Many of the station platforms were rebuilt in concrete and lengthened. Colour light signalling was installed. A new signal box was built at Appledore and the level crossing here and other locations modernised. Sections of the track were relayed with f/b rail and concrete sleepers. A new footbridge was installed at Rye. Economies in expenditure meant that not all work was completed but it was not forgotten resulting in this line and Tonbridge- Hastings not being electrified at the time. In fact Tonbridge- Hastings line suffered more as virtual no modernisation work was done until the mid- 1980s. In addition the Hurst Green- Uckfield line also saw little modernisation now it is a dead end branch line. Tunbridge Wells West station retaining gas lighting until its closure in 1985. Victorian signalling lasted until 1990 when the Uckfield line was resignalled. The Uckfield line is a wasted potential but would be more useful if the line was opened to Lewes. Anyway we are not here to discuss or speculate but I question your decision in publishing your opinion on a subject rather than sticking to facts.Steamybrian2 (talk) 20:39, 8 March 2021 (UTC) Do you have any sources for that? The principal driver for saying the line was slow to modernise was that it was listed for closure in the Beeching Report and it was more luck than anything that it didn't. The facts I stated are all in the main body of the article, mostly cited to books published by Ian Allan and Middleton Press, which (IMHO) are about the best sources for the topic. The inability to close the line cites several speeches in the Parliamentary Hansard. The state and potential of the Marshlink line is also backed up by sources such as Hastings Observer, Rye News and several Network Rail reports. As for Uckfield - Lewes, don't hold your breath on that, there's a major problem in that the original line into the station has been built over and the only alternative is to force trains to continue to Newhaven or reverse. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 21:08, 8 March 2021 (UTC) I do not want to discuss the matter much further. Suffice to say that I worked for British Rail, Southern Region, Operating Department at Waterloo and in some cases actually planned projects that happened. I do not use Newspapers as sources of information as they are not always accurate. Steamybrian2 (talk) 22:22, 8 March 2021 (UTC) Whether you wish to discuss it or not, you are in breach of two of Wikipedia's core content policies. I have pointed out before - several times - that we have a policy on verifiability. This states, in a nutshell: Readers must be able to check that any of the information within Wikipedia articles is not just made up. This means all material must be attributable to reliable, published sources. Additionally, quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be supported by inline citations. Personal knowledge (regardless of the company that you worked for) does not meet this requirement because it cannot be attributed in a manner that is verifiable by others. We also have a policy on primary sources which, amongst other things, explicitly states Do not add unsourced material from your personal experience, because that would make Wikipedia a primary source of that material. The information that you have added in your edits has been challenged: therefore, if you wish it to be retained, you must cite your sources in a manner that enables Mjroots, Ritchie333 or myself to verify that what you added is accurate. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 13:48, 9 March 2021 (UTC) You're doing it again. While you're correct that general day-to-day steam services ended on 11 August 1968, special trains ran much later - for example, Folkestone Harbour railway station's last service in the 21st century was steam operated. The Amberley Publishing source given states "On 14 May of that year, 'Schools' class-4-4-0 No. 30929 Malvern hauled the last scheduled steam boat train", and 30929 is a steam locomotive. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:27, 15 May 2023 (UTC) Quick: Railway Passenger Stations in GB There are templates to use to reference this book {{Quick-stations-5}} for the current online version and {{Quick-Stations}} for the older print version. Nthep (talk) 14:34, 15 May 2021 (UTC) Noted with thanksSteamybrian2 (talk) 14:39, 15 May 2021 (UTC) ArbCom 2021 Elections voter message Hello! Voting in the 2021 Arbitration Committee elections is now open until 23:59 (UTC) on Monday, 6 December 2021. All eligible users are allowed to vote. Users with alternate accounts may only vote once. The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia arbitration process. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. 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I know, because I was on the very last passenger service to depart from there. Mjroots (talk) 04:25, 15 August 2023 (UTC) @Mjroots: I think that the problem here is that whilst Saturday 6 July was the last day of service, that's just one of two conflicting conventions that exist for station closures: most RSs use the "first day without service" convention, which would be Monday 8 July (assuming that there had been no regular Sunday service). --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 12:00, 15 August 2023 (UTC) I agree that 6 July 1985 was the last day of service but closure took with effect from 8th July 1985. I was also there on that day. Steamybrian2 (talk) 12:04, 15 August 2023 (UTC) ArbCom 2023 Elections voter message Hello! Voting in the 2023 Arbitration Committee elections is now open until 23:59 (UTC) on Monday, 11 December 2023. All eligible users are allowed to vote. Users with alternate accounts may only vote once. 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The problem is which edition of this book does the page number refer to? Could you please update with appropriate edition & other details such as ISBN. Many thanks Keith D (talk) 21:58, 13 April 2024 (UTC) Hello- Fifth edition dated September 2023- ISBN number unknown as it has been downloaded from the internet.Steamybrian2 (talk) 09:54, 14 April 2024 (UTC)