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Donald Trump sexual misconduct allegations

The sexual assaults were as you point out, assaults. The dressing room visits are sexual harassment since trump owned the pageant at the time. Please don't confuse the two. He did both of them so please stop removing sexual harassment references from the article. Trump is guilty of doing both. Octoberwoodland (talk) 17:55, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

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March 2017

Please do not add or change content, as you did at Milo Yiannopoulos, without citing a reliable source using an inline citation that clearly supports the material. The burden is on the person wishing to keep in the material to meet these requirements, as a necessary (but not always sufficient) condition. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. Distelfinck (talk) 17:36, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

I searched for the phrase "very often" on the Milo Yiannopolous talk page, and the occurences I could find don't back up what you say --Distelfinck (talk) 01:44, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

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You need to provide sources for your additions. You repeat adding this in, without giving a source for this, without addressing what I said in this edit summary --Distelfinck (talk) 17:45, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

1RR on Milo Yiannopoulos

You have violated 1RR on Milo Yiannopoulos (Edits: 1 2 3.) Please self-revert. James J. Lambden (talk) 18:01, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

I've reverted your edit myself. Please be more careful in the future. James J. Lambden (talk) 18:27, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

1RR on Milo Yiannopoulos (again)

You have again violated 1RR on Milo Yiannopoulos (Edits: 1, 2) If the 1RR restrictions are not clear to you they're described here: Wikipedia:1RR#Other_revert_rules. Self revert or I will submit a complaint against you to Arbitration Enforcement. James J. Lambden (talk) 18:13, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

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Edits at Richard Epstein

In looking at your recent edits to Richard Epstein, I'd like you to consider whether the content you added could be cited to some sort of reliable sources. If so, they should be added to the section on Writings rather than to the intro. Depending on how significant your added content was, it might merit a summary mention (without citations) in the intro. I'll not revert you right now, but you should try to provide sources and place your content in the correct place in the article. Thanks. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 03:53, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Hey JC; if you give me til tomorrow i"ll add the citations. Tied up right now. I understand if you feel compelled to revert in the short run. Steeletrap (talk) 03:59, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

It seems White whirlwind was not going to be patient. Try again tomorrow. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:25, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

I see similar potential problems with some of your recent edits at Richard Posner. That law review article you referenced is a bare URL, which is not a good way to cite a source. Can I also suggest that you make better use of WP:Edit summaries? — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:39, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Religion and hitler

Hi Steeltrap could you please add edit summaries for any significant changes to the Religious views of Adolf Hitler, stick to the four paragraph wikpedia lay out for the introduction and remember not to add material not in sources such as "the judges at Nuremberg" determined", when the source only says that the prosecutors prepared a brief of evidence etc. Best wishes Ozhistory (talk) 04:41, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Warning

This was inappropriate in many ways. If I see something like that again I'll be dropping a topic ban. ~Awilley (talk) 16:52, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Maybe not a good edit w.o. some discussion, but hardly a violation, from what I can see. Have a look: [1] -- The edit shouldn't have been dropped in w.o. prep maybe, but I see ten worse edits per day in American Politics articles. Maybe a is needed. SPECIFICO talk 18:11, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

User:Adjwilley, why was it inappropriate? Do you disagree that Trump has promoted conspiracy theories? Are you a birther? Do you believe Ted Cruz' dad killed JFK? Steeletrap (talk) 20:24, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Now, that was inappropriate! :) SPECIFICO talk 22:02, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Here are a few reasons why the edit was inappropriate.

1. Calling him a conspiracy theorist in the Lead section is inappropriate when he is not called that in the body of the article.
2. In a 3-paragraph Lead section, the amount of detail in that addition is a violation of WP:WEIGHT in a highly visible BLP.
3. The examples you give are gratuitous given the "controversial and false" sentence preceding your addition.
4. "He has been described as" is textbook WP:WEASEL.
5. Who is "the President" you refer to?

The reason I jumped straight to a tban warning was because I've seen this kind of drive-by BLP violation from you before, and I distinctly remember User:Drmies warning you about adding links to child rape in the Lead of the trump article. (I don't have a diff for the warning but here's the edit: [2] [3]) ~Awilley (talk) 02:28, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

No, you jumped to a tban warning because you're an old maid who takes relish in your petty moderator powers. RS describe Trump as a conspiracy theorist, his campaign was characterized by conspiracy theories, and his political career in the Republican Party was fueled by the Birther movement. A bold edit noting that he has been described as a CT was not a violation of policy; I am not edit warring to put it back in.

Trump has been accused of child rape. This particular accusation is not notable enough for the lede, but is included in the article about his sexual assault allegations. Steeletrap (talk) 11:08, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

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You want to add something to the article Milo Yiannopoulos. This getting removed is a strong indication there's no consensus, so this is a good time to discuss this --Distelfinck (talk) 16:10, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

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Ben Swann

Your concern about these issues is totally understandable, but you have to review both the prior discussions (which were extensive on a number of things you changed) as well as the reliable sources before changing things based on your own gist of the subject matter. A number of your edits are blatantly against consensus. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 21:28, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

April 2017

Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Ron Paul newsletters, without giving a valid reason – such as reverting vandalism – for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear to be constructive and has been reverted. Please remember, you are topic banned from editing anything related to the Mises Institute. This includes material about Ron Paul. – S. Rich (talk) 22:42, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for the revert; because Paul is apparently listed as a Mises Institute "scholar" (I had no idea), this is a technicala violation of the TB and I apologize.

While your revert was appropriate, your rationale is bunk. Conspiracy theorists like Swann are not RS for anything apart from the mad ideas that are rattling around their brains. Steeletrap (talk) 17:49, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Shaun King

Coming here again for rationale on why you falsely edited Shaun King's page? Please provide rationale for why you put down that Jeffrey King was his ADOPTIVE father instead of his biological Father, as indicated on his birth certificate? I look froward to you reversing your changes. Thanks! Swreynolds7 (talk) 14:48, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

King says his bio father was a light-skinned (mixed-race) black man, and that Jeffrey King is his adoptive father. Per WP:BLP, we have to go off what he says about his family and race unless it's proven that he's lying. Steeletrap (talk) 00:56, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

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T-Ban

Reminder. Thank you. – S. Rich (talk) 17:22, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

I'm well aware. But don't see how NAP would fall under that. Anyway, I hope you can jump in and deal with some of the tendentious editing on that page, which currently claims that several eminent Western philosophers were Rothbardian libertarians without knowing it. Steeletrap (talk) 03:39, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

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November 2017

I reverted your edits of this version of the page white people as portions of the text you added/edited appeared to be unsourced or synthesized from inferences from the existing sources. A record of your version of the page has been kept and I'd like you to discuss your changes (and the sources on which they are based) on the talk page. Thank you. Edaham (talk) 23:25, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Topic ban violation

Re: this, the 6 month topic-ban was enacted on 15 May 2017. It will expire on Nov 15th. It has not yet expired nor was it expired in October. James J. Lambden (talk) 20:48, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

I made a mistake regarding the date of expiration: I tied it to the beginning of the arbitration, not the decision. By all means revert any edits that you regard as unduly insensitive to Milo. Steeletrap (talk) 20:51, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

I was going to respond with "Understandable" but I could not find an arbitration case against you that began earlier. All I can find is this. Can you direct me to the case? James J. Lambden (talk) 20:59, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Look, dopey: If I were going to blatantly violate a t-ban, I wouldn't do it in broad daylight on a highly controversial page. I'd get a sock. If you want to ban me or whatever I don't much care but I'm not going to deal with your soothsaying regarding my intentions. Steeletrap (talk) 21:09, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

You said you confused the case start date with the case end date but from what I can tell no "case" exists. I am trying to determine whether I'm mistaken. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and will continue to if you can explain your reasoning.

I did not impugn your intentions but it is not encouraging that you have made your first edit to Steve Bannon to oppose my recent !vote. James J. Lambden (talk) 21:23, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

@Steeletrap, it's a pretty clear violation of WP:NPA to address other editors as "dopey" as you have now twice [4] [5] Many admins I know would block on sight. ~Awilley (talk) 03:12, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

@Awilley: Frankly "dopey" is relatively mild. Another editor has repeatedly called me a "creep", a "stalker" and "obsessed" and nothing has been done despite my complaints. I am more concerned by the nonchalant topic-ban violations and seemingly retaliatory !vote. I would like an answer to my case request question. James J. Lambden (talk) 03:45, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

I would hope that you know that NeilN's enactment of the topic ban (seen here) does not mean that once the topic ban expires, you should go back to your same contested style of editing at the article. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 18:54, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Anyone who would block me for calling him dopey is a hypersensitive marshmallow (a term that applies to many WP admins, admittedly). Steeletrap (talk) 23:01, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Why don't you just answer JJL's question above. On the surface it looks like you violated the topic ban and then made up an excuse that doesn't stand up to scrutiny. ~Awilley (talk) 05:30, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Nah, I didn't. I thought the TB had expired. Which--happily--it will in a couple weeks. I'm not sure what link I clicked on to make me think it began in April, but there you have it. Steeletrap (talk) 05:48, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Weinstein edit

I thanked you for adding the number of women who have accused Weinstein. Then I noticed it had been taken out due to another editor noting that HW had been fired before number of accusers reached 80. So I added a source for the 50. If you have a source for the 80 please add. I think you were brilliant to add the number and we know down the road if it just keeps being called "alleged harassment" readers may not see the magnitude of this.Kmccook (talk) 13:00, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

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Potential edit warring

Watch it with the reverts on Knights of Columbus, please. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 20:16, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

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Blocked for two weeks.

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Steeletrap is where it is all laid out. If you evade your block again by using an IP to edit while blocked (or in any other way), I'm likely to just indef block you the next time. Feel free to read WP:GAB or better yet, just wait it out. Hopefully you will just get the point and edit productively when you return in two weeks. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 01:23, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Um, is there any way I can prove my innocence? I am not this IP.

I agree it's a remarkable coincidence. But consider: Why wouldn't I have just waited two days? Perhaps I'm being framed or something.

I think I may quit WP. I'm tired of the lack of due process. Steeletrap (talk) 03:42, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Julius Evola

You seem insistent on inserting the claim that Evola believed in ghosts and telepathy when the source you provide does not substantiate this information: https://www.litencyc.com/php/speople.php?rec=true&UID=12998

for alchemy, the source states that "Evola authored numerous works on alchemy, magic, Oriental philosophy, mysticism and Tradition", that "he was in touch for a time with British Orientalist John Woodroffe – and study of various texts on alchemy, magic and Oriental philosophy, particularly Tibetan Lamaism and Vajrayanist tantric yoga." and that "This entailed intensive study of primary texts on alchemy, Buddhism, Taoism, Hermeticism and various other schools of esoteric thought." but does not provide the context that you seem to imply, that he believed in alchemy in the traditional sense.

I can understand the desire to discredit Evola, but we don't need to do so with WP:Fake information that exists in no source.

He was also not a nationalist, instead preferring a right wing EU.

Please correct this to help ensure the integrity of the encyclopedia.Golgotha12 (talk) 01:44, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

Richard B. Spencer

I suggest you self-revert before you are blocked for violating WP:1RR. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 20:55, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

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• I'm going to report you the next time you call me a "clown" ([6]) or accuse me of "spinning" for Richard Spencer ([7], [8]) for enforcing our BLP policy. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 21:38, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
• You're edit warring now when you were just given a DS warning by NeilN? You know this article is under 1RR, yes? I could take to you AE right now. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 20:49, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
• You just violated 1RR again with more BLP violations. Are you begging for a block? --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 06:06, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

• • I hadn't seen these comments when I reverted you. Whether or not "r far-right extremists and counter-protesters clashed violently" was NPOV, changing it to "after an alt-right supporter drove his car into a group of left-wing protesters" is a clear violation of NPOV and a misrepresentation of the source, which said "counter-protestors." Doug Weller talk 14:10, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

• In an effort to reduce some of the tension, did you know that I personally spearheaded the effort to call Spencer a white supremacist instead of a white nationalist? And I've personally swatted down numerous attempts to change it back? It's all in the talk page archives. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 23:28, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

I am not the enemy. Do you understand that? --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 17:07, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

I see two possibilities based on your editing on Spencer. One is that you're the enemy (a Spencer apologist). The other is that you are a posturing legalist, whose legalism is getting in the way of productive (accurate, topical) editing. I'm happy to assume the second one and work forward. Steeletrap (talk) 17:21, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

I suppose that's an improvement, but I think you missed where I mentioned that I spearheaded the effort to call Spencer a white supremacist instead of a white nationalist. I don't know how that translates into being a posturing legalist whose legalism is getting in he way of productive editing. If you're complaining that I believe in following community standards, then I guess I'm guilty has charged. You may be just passing through, but I'm the one who's been defending our content from the Spencer shills bigots for the last year plus. The most effective tactic is to explain to them how our core policies work and to explain how our content complies with them. So when you add content that doesn't comply with our core policies, it makes our collective jobs harder. You see? I'm on your side. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 17:29, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

• This set of edits is in violation of an active arbitration remedy (do not restore content without consensus). Please self-revert immediately. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 14:44, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

• I will leave the Spencer article alone if you will stop following me around. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 18:41, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

June 2018

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Removing other users comments

Is against policy (see WP:TALKDD. Please do not do itSlatersteven (talk) 15:58, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Hey, I was copy and pasting my post from another forum. I wasn't deleting a post by another user; I was deleting my (accidental) reproduction of his post from another forum. Steeletrap (talk) 16:01, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Ahh I see now. OK.Slatersteven (talk) 16:17, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Brett Kavanaugh

I have changed my original block to a warning. Going through revisions on the rapidly changing article 1RR is not clear. However, the discretionary sanctions are clear that "You must not reinstate any challenged (via reversion) edits without obtaining consensus on the talk page of this article." You did not seek consensus on the talk page following the removal of your edit when it was clearly disputed. Please discuss such edits on the talk page instead of leaving remarks in edit summaries as you did. Please let me know if you have any questions. KnightLago (talk) 23:41, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

THanks. I really appreciate you reversing your decision and acknowledging the mistake. I actually had self-reverted the change (the opposite of 1RR). Steeletrap (talk) 12:19, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

If you are referring to these edits, that does not look like a self-revert to me. That can be viewed as gaming the system by "making edits similar to the ones that have been challenged" (per talk page template). Politrukki (talk) 09:33, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

Steeletrap, you can't add controversial unsourced material about living persons to any page like you did here. You should very well know that that is not allowed under BLP. Politrukki (talk) 09:28, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

What's your source for the statement that Blasey Ford is not going to appear? News reports are that it's uncertain. JTRH (talk) 20:45, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

I would advise self-reverting this edit; adding sources may address the issue brought up by MONGO but still would be a violation of the consensus-required before restoration restriction (also - I'd advise finding non-opinion sources, especially as the sentence you've inserted states "partisan conspiracy theories" as fact) Galobtter (pingó mió) 22:03, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

I was challenging that edit here but should have made it clear not just because it was unsupported.--MONGO (talk) 01:28, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

Indeed the revert seems to be a violation of the "Consensus required" sanction that "All editors must obtain consensus on the talk page of this article before reinstating any edits that have been challenged (via reversion)". A self-revert is definitely a good idea. ~Awilley (talk) 02:50, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

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Original research at Black Egyptian hypothesis

I've removed some original research. Surely you know our policies on searching and not adding our own opinions? Doug Weller talk 13:57, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

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Lawrence Krauss Sexual Misconduct

It's been a couple years since I checked in, and I really don't care enough to edit it myself, but have you seen this steaming pile of... mess?

In response to the University determination, Krauss produced a 51-page appeal document responding to the allegations, including a counter-claim that a photo claimed to be of Krauss grabbing a woman's breast was actually showing his hand moving away from the woman.[33][third-party source needed]

I'm not at all surprised, but I don't have words to describe how inexcusable this is that it's on Wikipedia. But you know, Odin forbid I should edit the page to say, "Whereas some critics who have two brain cells to rub together point out that is the lousiest defense they have ever heard."-- JCaesar (talk) 06:45, 21 January 2020 (UTC)