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A barnstar for you!

The Barnstar of Good Humor!
Hello Tentinator. You have signed my guestbook! Thank you very much.--Pratyya (Hello!) 15:31, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Anti-screenshot agenda?

Hey there...if you had a reason for removing the fair-use compliant png screenshot on iOS 7, please voice your concerns at Talk:iOS 7, rather than just unilaterally removing it. Thanks, Theopolisme (talk) 17:31, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Anti-screenshot agenda? I was just removing a nonexistent image from the article. Revision before I edited and my edit.  Tentinator  16:19, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Rivermark of Santa Clara

Wow, you really take WP:AGF to the limit, don't you?  :) TJRC (talk) 16:51, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

zero boys revision

Hi, wondering why you deleted the more recent information about zero boys. The content that was deleted was true and easily verified. For instance, this site is one source. The band's Facebook page was rebooted in 2012 prior to a European tour with the current lineup, the lineup you deleted, due to a hacking issue with the older page. This lineup is currently tiring in the US in 2013 and releasing records.Zb1979 (talk) 17:04, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

zero boys revision

Hi, wondering why you deleted the more recent information about zero boys. The content that was deleted was true and easily verified. For instance, this site is one source. The band's Facebook page was rebooted in 2012 prior to a European tour with the current lineup, the lineup you deleted, due to a hacking issue with the older page. This lineup is currently tiring in the US in 2013 and releasing records.Zb1979 (talk) 17:05, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

STOP CHANGING RELEASE DATE OF PROJECT CARS!!!!!!!!!

Official release date is November 28 2013. and please stop changing it to Q1 2014. Just stop. It's annoying. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.175.30.131 (talk) 08:10, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

I know where you live and your schedule

Want to meet for lunch to discuss how much you hate freedom? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.223.215.30 (talk) 19:28, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject London Transport

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--DavidCane (talk) 12:47, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Hey, that was a mistake by Huggle. Was reverting the IP only. see what I mean? Dusti*poke* 16:47, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Untitled

Hello Tentinator, what did you change? Thank you in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.64.194.12 (talk) 00:49, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Untitled

Hi there, I've just recently tried to delete an article titled " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ursula_and_Sabina_Eriksson " I've recieved an email shortly after by yourself stating "it is possiible vandalism" wich it isn't. I am asking you to remove this page from the archives due to it's impact on the family of wich it is written about. It causes "pain and suffering" and alot of it is missleading. It also states the name and surname of Ursula and Sabina Eriksson. Without the consent of Ursula and Sabina Eriksson. I find it demeaning not only myself, but also Ursula and Sabina. I hope you understand and that this "gossip of a wiki page" is removed as soon as possible.

Sincerly: Simon Eriksson — Preceding unsigned comment added by Socal93117 (talkcontribs) 20:10, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

This is clearly vandalism.  Tentinator  04:57, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Untitled

Sorry, I just got dared to change that part of the Forbes article, won't happen again! (friend just wanted a screenshot)— Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.31.9.30 (talkcontribs) 20:23, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

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national security of india

who is fake owner of aadhaar concept within core team .09766604937 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sumangal27118 (talkcontribs) 12:48, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Hello

Hi, i made some revision on this article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_Asian_financial_crisis#Indonesia, because the Maybank acquisition part is not true. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.161.0.109 (talk) 17:07, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Anglo European School

Hi, I am a teacher at the above named school. We have a day tomorrow where we train the new Lower Sixth students about the internet as a source - good and bad. I earlier changed one of our notable alumni to be Barack Hussein Obama II to show that you have to be very careful when you analyse sources on the internet. Would there be any way of keeping this change on there with a question mark just for tomorrow so that I can use it with my students? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.159.251.10 (talk) 21:28, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

miftaahul uloom academy

this school has been horribe to my student and it deseverses some disrespect like they disrespeceted my child i have been through alot of shit with this school and it deserves every punishment it gets on behalf of my child and the islamis community — Preceding unsigned comment added by Islamicschools (talk) 20:19, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

[[[No page]]] was reviewed by Tentinator

This recently popped up in my notifications. Have you reviewed anything lately, or is this just a random bug? Beerest355 Talk 17:51, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

I think the [[[No page]]] was a redirect page you created which I tagged for speedy deletion, and was then deleted. Twinkle marks a page as reviewed when I add tags to it.  Tentinator  18:46, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

STiki

Hi! Thanks for the welcome to STiki. I'm just curious - how did you notice me? :-) Arc de Ciel (talk) 05:24, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

From here  Tentinator  05:26, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
I see. Thanks! Arc de Ciel (talk) 05:30, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Hello, I don't understand the logic behind this edit. I guess I have three questions/puzzles ... 1) Chess.com was not deleted, that site has been deemed "not notable", 2) by removing the "notable" word in the list descriptive header, I'm not understanding what was your intent, or the consistency of that removal, since in the same edit you removed "RedHotPawn" based on the site being "not notable", 3) what was the reason you removed the "notable" word in the list descriptive header? (Let me clarify, I'm not necessarily in support of the word myself, it was added by another user. I opened a discussion at WP:List about the issue of item requirements re notablity for inclusion in the list, since Chess.com had an unresolved debate on the Talk regarding same. The issue was not resolved at the WP:List Talk thread I opened, but, an editor-responder circumvented the confusion by adding "notable" word in the list header, which wasn't a consensus move, but did clarify the list consituent requirements. And now you've removed that. Again, the answer I got at Talk at WP:List was that a list article does not mandate either "all notable" or "notable and non-notable" items. So I'm wondering on what basis you think notability is demanded for the list items. Ihardlythinkso (talk) 06:09, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

1) I thought Chess.com was an article. Had I known it was just a redirect to the article, I would have deleted it.
2) I didn't remove the "notable" word from the article. I just removed the wikilink because I thought it was bizarre.  Tentinator  06:32, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
You're right. (My error; sorry.) Please accept my apology. Thanks. Cheers, Ihardlythinkso (talk) 07:26, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Tentinator, im afraid the page about the "Timeline of historic inventions" is completely non-scientific: a part from listing inventions with little or no impact on the history of mankind, such as games instead of great discoveries, i also have to say that i think it completely overestimates the importance of china and chinese civilization, very often with ludicrous and unimportant inventions, im afraid just to suggest that chinese "did something"...this is what i think by first glance...im waiting for your reply and the change of that page...thank you for the attention...bye — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.20.92.254 (talk) 20:30, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

 Not done  Tentinator  20:38, 30 June 2013 (UTC)


ehm...not done in which sense? can you explain? i also think that TIMELINE OF HISTORIC INVENTIONS should definitely be changed... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.20.92.254 (talk) 20:48, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

June 2013 wikification awards!

The Working Wikifier's Barnstar
For scoring 6th place on the leaderboard in the June 2013 Wikification drive, Tentinator, you are hereby awarded the Working Wikifier's barnstar. Congratulations! :) Can you decipher this acronymical code? CYDTC (Hint: It's really easy!) (talk) 06:48, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

hello :)

I want to translate BTX_(chemistry) english to chinese what should i do? :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robin12366 (talk) 17:25, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

If the Chinese Wikipedia doesn't have an article on BTX, create an article with the translation there. After creating the article, follow the Chinese copyright compliance rules.  Tentinator  17:34, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you :)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robin12366 (talkcontribs) 17:38, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Changes to montrose angus

you have made a mistake, unfortunately. i just recently stayed for an extended period of time and to the local population the persons i listed are well know and well liked with an extraordinary reputation in the town. respectfully Pat — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.231.140.47 (talk) 22:21, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter

Hey Tentinator. We've just rolled out a new version of the VisualEditor :). Changes and patches include:

  • Newly added templates now list their available parameters if TemplateData is available;
  • The load for the VisualEditor on apages is now 4 KiB, down from 119 KiB;
  • Feedback dialog is no longer chased off the screen by typing (bug 50538)
  • Fixed the Monobook issues around z-indexes (bug 50241)
  • Undoing an image resize doesn't make everything look bad
  • In the image dialog, "Caption content" is now just "Caption"
  • Tweaked tooltip references to VisualEditor to instead talk about "source mode"

Those are the big ones; more coming at the end of this week or early next week :). It's a short list, but the load issue took up a lot of time, as did TemplateData, and are both pretty big changes. If you've got any questions, drop them on my talkpage. Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 01:15, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

DELETED PARAGRAPH IN ARGENTINE ROCK

HI TENTINATOR, THIS IS ABOUT THE PARAGRAPH IVE DELETED FROM THE ARGENTINE ROCK ARTICLE. IF NOTICE IT, ALL THE BANDS THAT ARE NAMED THERE IN EMPTY HYPERLINKS (Fughu, Dudosa Moral, Destino 101, De Rien, Fantasía Cromática, Isósceles, Souls Ignite, Rodrigo San Martín) ARE COMPLETELY UNKNOWN ACTS. THEY USED THE ARTICLE AS AN ADVERTISMENT. IM ARGENTINIAN, LINVING IN BUENOS AIRES, MUSICIAN AND MELOMANIAC, AND IVE NEVER HEARD ABOUT THIS ACTS, THEYRE UNDERGROUND BANDS THAT PROBABLY PLAYED LIVE TWICE. GOOGLE THEM. IF ITS ALLOWED TO USE WIKIPEDIA FOR PUBLICITY LIKE THIS, PLEASE LET ME KNOW, 'COS I WIL ADD MY NAME AND MY BAND. REGARDS. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.19.69.236 (talk) 07:01, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

1st/9th Battalion, Ulster Defence Regiment

Please refrain from redirecting this page in the future. I have restored the information and am working on the text. SonofSetanta (talk) 15:21, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

You blanked a page without a valid reason, so I undid your edit. Compared revisions here.  Tentinator  15:27, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
You were too quick for me. By the time I'd copied the old text, modified it and pasted it back in, you'd reverted me. No offence taken and I hope none given? SonofSetanta (talk) 15:35, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
For your work in Commando. This barnstar is to remind you that your service in Wikipedia is not going unappreciated. It is not possible for editors like me working on an article to check it everyday but then there are people like you who are constantly fighting against vandalism.
---$oH4M ❊  আড্ডা  08:16, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Universal Groove

The edits I made to the Universal Groove movie page are correct and very accurate. The movie was not released and the footage that was stolen has been traced back to Sandeep Panesar and Francois Garcia. If you look at the last post on the official blog you can also see the movie was never released. The article as it is currently posted is absolutely inaccurate. Acapulco Kevin (talk) 12:56, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Congratulations from STiki!

The Silver STiki Barnstar of Merit
Congratulations, Tentinator! You're receiving this barnstar of merit because you recently crossed the 10,000 classification threshold using STiki.

We thank you both for your contributions to Wikipedia at-large and your use of the tool.

We hope you continue your ascent up the leaderboard and stay in touch at the talk page. Thank you and keep up the good work! West.andrew.g (developer) and -- (T) Numbermaniac (C) 05:13, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

That is a lot of classifications. It's funny, you normally always beat me in awarding users. The one day I decide to check to see if you've beaten me again... You're the only one to be awarded. :D -- (T) Numbermaniac (C) 05:17, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter

Hey Tentinator! We've just deployed some fixes to the VisualEditor. These include:

  • "Edit" will load the latest version, not the version you're looking at (bug 49943)
  • "Edit" will load the latest version, not the version you edited last time if this is your second edit (bug 50441)
  • VE edit section links will load the latest, not original, version in diff view preview (bug 50925)
  • <big><big>Foo</big></big> and similar repeated tags will not get corrupted any more (bug 49755)

In the meantime, testing is proceeding well, and hopefully we can get some more fixes out over the next couple of days. If you're interested in helping out, we have a set of open tasks we'd really appreciate your assistance with :). Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 07:53, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

July 2013

Hello, I'm BracketBot. I have automatically detected that your edit to List of bus routes in London may have broken the syntax by modifying 2 "[]"s. If you have, don't worry, just edit the page again to fix it. If I misunderstood what happened, or if you have any questions, you can leave a message on my operator's talk page.

List of unpaired brackets remaining on the page:
  • |[[[[Sutton, London|Crawley]]

Thanks, BracketBot (talk) 13:25, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

My mistake at List of outlaw motorcycle clubs

Sorry to have mistakenly undone your correct removal of Coffin Cheaters at List of outlaw motorcycle clubs. I mis-read the diff and thought the Australian group was recently added. In fact it was the USA group that was recently added, and you correctly removed. -- Brianhe (talk) 21:19, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

VE newsletter

Hey Tentinator

We just deployed another VisualEditor release; bugs fixed include:

  • Firefox 13/14 has been temporarily blacklisted, to avoid the insertion of broken links [[./that look like this]] (50720)
  • Changing a reference in a template should no longer produce the bright red "you don't have a references block!" error (bugzilla:50423)
  • Notices are now shown if you're editing a protected or semi-protected page (bugzilla:50415)
  • The template inspector will no longer invite you to insert parameters that are already being used (50715)
  • Same as above, but with aliases (50717)
  • Parameter names in the template dialogue now word-wrap (50800)
  • The link inspector will not show in the top left if you hit the return key while opening it (49941)
  • Hitting return twice in the link editor will no longer introduce a new line that overwrites the link (51075)
  • Oddly-named categories no longer cause corruption (50702)
  • The toolbar no longer occasionally covers the cursor (48787)
  • Changing the formatting of text no longer occasionally scrolls you upwards (50792)

Not specific bugs, but other things; cacheing is now improved, so people should stop seeing temporary breaking when the VisualEditor updates, and RTL support has received some patches. I hope this newsletter is helpful to people; I'll send out another one with the next deployment :). Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 10:03, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

My removal (continued)

Hi there On 16th June you removed me from the notable former pupils of Bablake School. I just wondered why you made this deletion? Proof of my Oscar nomination can be seen here http://pro.imdb.com/name/nm1357838/ And here : http://www.oscars.org/awards/academyawards/legacy/ceremony/83rd-winners.html if you scroll down to short film (live action). And the film itself : http://vimeo.com/17883974 Best wishes Ian Barnes WIKI: Tiengo2001 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tiengo2001 (talkcontribs) 21:06, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

VE newsletter

Hey Tentinator! Another set of patches :). Today we have:

  • Required template parameters are now automatically added to new templates (50747)
  • Templates with piped links now display correctly when you alter them (50801)
  • If your edit token expires, you're now informed of it (50424).
    You still won't be able to save - that's due to be fixed on Monday :).

More on Monday, I suspect. Hope you have a good weekend :). I should also have some news about the IP launch pretty soon. Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 13:11, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

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IRC office hours for wiki-mentors and Snuggle users

Hi. We're organizing an office hours session with the Teahouse to bring in mentors from across the wiki to try out Snuggle and discuss it's potential to support mentorship broadly. The Snuggle team would appreciate it if you would come and participate in the discussion. We'll be having it in #wikimedia-office connect on Wed. July 17th @ 1600 UTC. See the agenda for more info. --EpochFail(talkwork), Technical 13 (talk), TheOriginalSoni (talk) 19:01, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

You.

Can you not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Infinitekhalisa (talkcontribs) 21:11, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Can you not vandalise Wikipedia?  Tentinator  21:14, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Infinitekhalisa (talk) 21:31, 13 July 2013 (UTC)== RE: you ==

Ms.Ligget gave me permission to edit her wikipedia page as a gag gift so no i am not vandalizing. Thanks and sorry for the confusion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Infinitekhalisa (talkcontribs) 21:20, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Confused

[1] - why is that marked as a good faith edit? Oo Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 21:30, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

I meant to mark that as vandalism. I've warned the user.  Tentinator  21:35, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

well done , lots of articles made .

jj (talk) 14:15, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Jeepers Creepers 3?

There is no word on it and somebody keeps putting false information that it's going to come out on August 2. Please make sure they cite their statements, my problem with it is that it is not cited. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.72.173.62 (talk) 15:45, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Tolkien family

Thanks for reverting this IP edit, but on a closer look I at least wouldn't call it a good faith contribution. The guy went right on vandalizing after that. De728631 (talk) 16:14, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Fighting Vandals

Hey Tentinator. Thanks for correcting the vandalism done to the Hinata Hyuga section of the List of Naruto characters page. I have been deleting insulting vandalism that has been plaguing some of the Naruto pages including Itachi's page and Naruto Uzumaki's page. By mistake I reverted your changes to the vandalism, but quickly fixed this error and deleted the vandalized edits and replaced them with the old and correct info. I actually just made a wiki acount today to fight against the vandalism that was done to these Naruto related pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Madara1224 (talkcontribs) 16:49, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Snuggle IRC office hours

Hi Tentinator. I saw that you were a recent addition to Snuggle's sign-up list. Welcome! In case you missed the message, I wanted to let you know that we're holding an IRC office hours session tomorrow (Wed. July 17th) at 1600 UTC in #wikimedia-office connect. See you there! --EpochFail(talkwork) 16:28, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Cambodian Tailorbird

My addition (approximately 1/21th or 0.048 the size of the world's largest living bird) is no less helpful than the existing description (about the size of a Eurasian Wren), which really doesn't tell the size of the bird, and challenges the reader to go TO the link for "Eurasian Wren" to get an idea of how large the Cambodian Tailorbird is. This is NOT necessarily a bad thing. My addition IS useful for the same reason and will be re-inserted.

YOUR COMMENTS ARE NOT HELPFUL AND MEAN SPIRITED re: "Not useful...Numbers probably plucked from thin air.." No, the numbers WERE NOT "plucked from thin air." Do a search for "the largest living bird" and you'll find out. Please check your information before making hurtful and judgemental comments. Comments made in this manner actually HURT Wikipedia's reputation.Milwaukeewobbly (talk) 22:21, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

I see this isn't the first time you've made useless additions to articles (another example here). If you want to improve your Cambodian Tailorbird contribution, why not just tell the reader that the largest bird is the Ostrich.  Tentinator  06:48, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

VE newsletter

Hey Tentinator; hope you had a decent weekend :). We've got a pile of patches, some of which went out on Monday, some yesterday:

  • If you insert wikitext such as links or section headers, you get a notice in the top right corner (over the save button). It doesn't go away until click, though once dismissed you don't get another one that edit. (49820)
  • If your edit token expires, VE fetches a new one for you so you can save. (50424)
  • If the page is empty of content but does have something non-content (like a category or an HTML comment), VE no longer crashes on load - (50289)
  • sub tags are no longer removed ((49873)
  • If you type at the end of links, they now extend
  • Templates now only take a single click to insert
  • Clear annotations clears links (50461)
  • The link inspector stays open when you click to another item (50895)
  • Typing after multi-byte characters no longer creats pawn icons (51140)
  • Resizing thumbnails that have a default size set now works (50645)
  • References made by tag:ref now display properly (bugzilla:50978)
  • The VE is integrated with the spam blacklist (50826)
  • Feedbacl link goes to the right language (bugzilla:47730)

There are a lot more improvements coming, but that's it for Monday and Tuesday. Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 08:13, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

STiki Barnstar

Thank you for the STiki barnstar. I appreciate it. I was wondering, after using it daily for some weeks it is no longer working for me. A notice shows up suggesting I may have no internet, a port isn't open in my firewall, my version of STiki may be broken, or STiki's server may be down. The first two aren't correct. I deleted and downloaded STiki again. Its still not working. Is STiki down or is there something else I could do to getting it working again? Thanks in advance for your advice. Capitalismojo (talk) 12:46, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

STiki doesn't work for anyone at the moment.  Tentinator  13:09, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
Thanks! I thought I had really screwed something up somehow. Capitalismojo (talk) 13:28, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Your undo's

You have undeleted two links I had deleted : one from OSCav to Open-source hardware. There is no reason for such a link, as "OSCav" is not mentioned in the article. OSCav means open source compressed air vehicle. The other link is from C,mm,n to Open-source hardware. There is no reason for such a link, as "C,mm,n" is not mentioned in the article but in Open-source car. Please redelete, what you have undone, or correct the links to Open-souce car as described by me. PS: Your message of 2 sentences contains 2 pictures and 3 links. Please keep Your communication textual as wikipedia is not flickr. Punditah (talk) 10:47, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

VE newsletter

Hey Tentinator. The newest updates:

  • Links now don't extend over space/punctuation/workbreaks when you type (bugzilla:51463)
  • Users with the "minoredit" preference set get working functionality (bugzilla:51515)
  • You can tab to buttons in dialogs, including the save dialog (bugzilla:50047)
  • We now show the <newarticletext> (or <newarticletextanon>) message as an edit notice (bugzilla:51459)
  • You can scroll dialog panels like in transclusions' templates' parameter listings (bugzilla:51739)
  • Templates that only create meta-data and no display content at all (like Template:Use dmy dates) now can't be deleted accidentally or deliberately, but still don't show up (bugzilla:51322)
  • FlaggedRevisions integration (bugzilla:49699)
  • Edit summary will get the section title pre-added if you launched from a section edit link (bugzilla:50872)

Along with some miscellaneous language support fixes. That's all for today; as always, let us know if you spot more bugs. Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 21:48, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Dan Nainan

Dear Tentinator:

Greetings, and apologies for bothering you. I represent Dan Nainan. Mr. Nainan was born on May 4, 1981, and this can be verified with his birth certificate, driver license and US passport. Could you please let us know where we can submit this information for verification, so we can put this to rest?

This has also been fact checked by CNN, the New York Times and approximately 30 or 40 other major TV outlets, newspapers and magazines.

Furthermore, please peruse the many photos and videos that are available online. There's absolutely no way that Dan Nainan could possibly be 52 years old – it's just physically not possible.

173.56.80.13 (talk) 03:38, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Norman Reedus

Okay sorry its just norman reedus is my idol and i think hes a badass so i put it there, sorry! 18:00, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

My removal

Hi there On 16th June you removed me from the notable former pupils of Bablake School. I just wondered why you made this deletion? Proof of my Oscar nomination can be seen here http://pro.imdb.com/name/nm1357838/ And here : http://www.oscars.org/awards/academyawards/legacy/ceremony/83rd-winners.html if you scroll down to short film (live action). And the film itself : http://vimeo.com/17883974 Best wishes Ian Barnes 18:00, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter for 06 August 2013

It's been almost two weeks since the last newsletter, and a lot of improvements have been made during that time. The main things that people have noticed are significant improvements to speed for typing into long pages (T54012), scrolling (T54014) and deleting (T54013) on large pages. There have also been improvements to references, with the latest being support for list-defined references, which are <ref>s defined inside a <references> block (T53741). Users of Opera 12 and higher have had their web browser removed from the browser black-list, mostly as a result of work by a volunteer developer (T38000). Opera has not been fully white-listed yet, so these users will get an additional warning and request to report problems.

Significant changes were made to the user interface to de-emphasize VisualEditor. This has cut the use of VisualEditor by approximately one-third. You can read about these at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Updates/August 1, 2013, but they include:

  • Re-ordering links to the editors to put "Edit source" first and VisualEditor second
  • Renaming the link for VisualEditor to "Editbeta"
  • Disabling the animation for section editing.
  • Changing all labels for the classic wikitext editor to say "Edit source", regardless of namespace.

There have also been many smaller fixes, including these:

  • Horizontal alignment of images working correctly on more pages (T53995)
  • Categories with ':'s in their names (like Category:Wikipedia:Privacy) now work correctly (T53902)
  • Magic JavaScript gadgets and tools like sortable tables will now work once the page is saved (T53565)
  • Keyboard shortcut for "clear annotations" - now Control+\ or ⌘ Command+\ (T53507)
  • Fixed corruption bugs that led to duplicate categories (T54238) and improper collapsing when multiple new references were added in a row (T54228).
  • Improvements to display elements: The save dialog in Monobook is restored to normal size (T52058), pop-up notices on save now look the same in VisualEditor as in wikitext editor (T41632), and the popup about using wikitext has a link to the definition of wikitext that now opens in a new window (T54093)

Most of the Wikimedia Foundation staff is traveling this week and next, so no updates are expected until at least August 15th. If you're going to be in Hong Kong for Wikimania 2013, say hello to James Forrester, Philippe Beaudette, and the other members of the VisualEditor team.

As always, if you have questions or suggestions, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting problem reports at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback and ideas at Wikipedia talk:VisualEditor. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) 23:18, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Michka Assayas

Thanks for the review! :) Miss Bono [zootalk] 18:00, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Deleted user subpage

Hello, all I was trying to do was create a subpage of my userpage where I could copy the source code of lengthy articles, work on them and save at intervals, then submit the revised code all at one time. But I got it deleted as though it was a regular encyclopedia article! Is there a better way to achieve this? Thanks --Noyster (talk) 18:14, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

The sandbox page which was deleted was in the article namespace, not your user namespace. You've correctly created user pages in the past where you can work on articles before submitting them to the public. User:Noyster/sandbox and User:Noyster/drafts.  Tentinator  18:28, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks

Just wanted to say thanks for catching my bad revert of the page blanking at Scott Franklin. Not sure how I missed it - probably thought TW would revert both edits because they were by the same editor, and they weren't. Oops. Anyway, thanks. — kikichugirl inquire 19:49, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

August wikification drive.

Hi, Tentinator! Did you know that I got the wikification drive for August started up a few days ago? I noticed no one else has joined up yet, so I'm spreading word about it. Cheers! :) Can you decipher this acronymical code? CYDTAC (Hint: It's really easy!) (talk) 06:04, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Hey , Im New To wikipedi. and dont know how to use it properly.Please forgive me if i made any mistake. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aryan2323 (talkcontribs) 10:20, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

You may have forgotten a small minor diff created earlier this month. In the article on Hakkō ichiu, you reverted an edit by 122.145.163.59 in Tokyo.

Perhaps you might be willing to follow up with a comment at Talk:Hakkō ichiu#Revisionism? --Enkyo2 (talk) 13:38, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

STiki emergency

VisualEditor newsletter for 21 August 2013

Both VisualEditor and MediaWiki were upgraded recently. For VisualEditor, this is the long-awaited post-Wikimania update with many bug fixes and enhancements. Work also continues on speed at opening and during use, as well as on the bugs reported here and at other Wikipedias. The full report is at Mediawiki.

References are displaying properly, even when nested (T52749) or in image captions (T2000. Reference lists are now always fully populated with references (bug 50094). Firefox users can insert an existing reference in the first paragraph (T54159). Opera users no longer see corruption of categories when a reference was added (bug 50385).

Stray spaces are being stripped from the start of paragraphs to end one of the common <nowiki> problems (T53462). We also fixed a round-tripping bug that caused desirable whitespace in templates (used to make templates more legible, e.g., by putting each parameter in an infobox on a separate line) to get corrupted (bug 51150).

Wikilink handling was improved. Users are not allowed to create internal links to invalid titles (titles that are actually impossible due to limits on acceptable character combinations in titles, not redlinks) (T35094). You can extend wikilinks, but it won't do so over a wordbreak (like a space) (bugs 49931 and 51463).

A handful of fixes to the user interface were made. The toolbar doesn't float over personal tools after opening a dialog or the inspector (T54441). Toolbars were also re-written to be collapsible/expandable, with room for more icons. Buttons in dialogs can now be activated using the Tab ↹ and ⇧ Shift+Tab ↹ key commands (bug 50047). This saves time for editors, because you don't need to take your hands off the keyboard to click a button. We fixed a handful of bugs that affected only certain articles or certain browsers, including toolbar buttons in Firefox (bug 51986) and dialog panels that didn't always scroll correctly (bug 51739). Bugs with undo/redo getting confused have been fixed (T54113).

Images, in addition to getting references displaying correctly, also saw improvements with a set-empty |link= parameter no longer corrupted (51963). We corrected thumbnail images' display so that they look don't wrong in some contexts (bug 51995). Inserted images no longer explicitly set their alignment, but instead inherit the default position in compliance with the Manual of Style (bug 51851).

More edit notices, warnings, and metadata like information about Pending Changes on an article now appear as appropriate (bug 49699). When new articles are created, users are now shown the <newarticletext> message (bug 51459). VisualEditor now handles templates that set "meta" items (like a category) and nothing else better (bug 51322). If the database is locked when a user tries to save with VisualEditor, they now get a message telling them as such and an opportunity to try again, rather than a silent failure (bug 51636).

When you save the page, having the default preference set to "mark all my edits as minor by default" no longer overrides the setting in the save dialog (bug 51515). If you open VisualEditor from a section edit link, the section's title will be pre-filled in in the edit summary box when you go to save it (bug 50872). The size of the save dialog box in the Monobook skin has been fixed (bug 50058). Also, wikipage content handlers like sortable tables are re-run automatically after saving (T53565).

A very early version of the mathematics equation editor is now available for testing on mw:Mediawiki. If you would like to help improve the user interface for math editor, please test out the extension at mw:Mediawiki:Sandbox and leave your comments directly at the discussion page for the Math Node User Interface at Mediawiki. You should be able to use your regular username and password should to login to Mediawiki.

For other questions or suggestions, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting problem reports at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback and other ideas at Wikipedia talk:VisualEditor. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) 17:33, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Question

Why are you deleting my additions to the wire sculpture page?

Do you not like having prominent modern sculptors added or something?

-c

TY din't intend any edit keep up vigilance

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.169.132.180 (talk) 03:03, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

has been marked for deletion. Does it serve some purpose which I do not understand? it looks like a redirect to itself. Cheers, Dlohcierekim 16:02, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Looks like a mistake. I was trying to fix the broken redirect.  Tentinator  16:44, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

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Incomplete DYK nomination

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List of Holby City episodes

it's possible that we can make the list transclusion work again, but it will require some modifications. your example of List of Casualty episodes is a good one, since the transcluded content is of comparable size. if you check the HTML source for the article, you will find a block of comments near the bottom:

Casualty (current) Holby City (old version)
NewPP limit report
CPU time usage: 37.294 seconds
Real time usage: 37.738 seconds
Preprocessor visited node count: 268890/1000000
Preprocessor generated node count: 115702/1500000
Post‐expand include size: 1704947/2048000 bytes
Template argument size: 839526/2048000 bytes
Highest expansion depth: 18/40
Expensive parser function count: 2/500
Lua time usage: 0.105s
Lua memory usage: 1.74 MB
NewPP limit report
CPU time usage: 31.930 seconds
Real time usage: 32.176 seconds
Preprocessor visited node count: 251282/1000000
Preprocessor generated node count: 168370/1500000
Post‐expand include size: 2048000/2048000 bytes
Template argument size: 1277370/2048000 bytes
Highest expansion depth: 20/40
Expensive parser function count: 2/500
Lua time usage: 0.140s
Lua memory usage: 2.19 MB

the key line here is the Post‐expand include size, which measures the size after expanding all transcluded content. it's not clear why Casualty is still within the limits, but Holby City is not. Frietjes (talk) 15:21, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

one possibility is if the summaries are too long, then this counts against the post-expand include size, since it does not get cut until after the parser functions are processed. Frietjes (talk) 15:24, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

August 2013 wikification barnstar!

The Working Wikifier's Barnstar
For scoring 7th place on the leaderboard during the August 2013 wikification backlog drive, Tentinator, you are hereby awarded the Working Wikifier's barnstar. Congratulations! :)

Cheers! Editing with a pen leads to a lot of things unsaid. (talk) 14:48, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter for September 5

This Thursday's VisualEditor update was mostly about stability and performance improvements, and some preparatory work for major planned improvements, along with bug fixes for non-English language support and right-to-left text. Everything that the English Wikipedia received today has been running on Mediawiki for a week already.

Officially, the problem with the link inspector not linking to a specific section on a page (bug 53219) was fixed in this release, although that critical patch actually appeared here earlier.

A number of bugs related to copy-and-paste functionality were fixed (48604, bug 50043, bug 53362, bug 51538, among others). Full rich copy-and-paste from external sources into VisualEditor is expected "soon".

In other fixes, you can no longer add empty ref tags (<ref/>) (bug 53345). Selecting both an image and some text, and then trying to add a link, previously deleted the selected image and the text. This was fixed in bug 50127. There was another problem related to using arrow keys to move the cursor next to an inline image that was fixed (bug 53507).

Looking ahead: The next planned upgrade is scheduled for next Thursday, and you should expect to find a redesigned toolbar with drop-down menus that include room for references, templates, underline, strikethrough, superscript, subscript, and code formatting. There will also be keyboard shortcuts for setting the format (paragraph vs section headings).

If you are active at other Wikipedias, the next group of Wikipedias to have VisualEditor offered to all users is being determined at this time. Generally speaking, languages that depend on the input method editor are not going to receive VisualEditor this month. The current target date is Tuesday, September 24 for logged-in users only. You can help with translating the documentation. In several cases, most of the translation is already done, and it only needs to be copied over to the relevant Wikipedia. If you are interested in finding out whether a particular Wikipedia is currently on the list, you can leave a message for me at my talk page.

For other questions or suggestions, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting problem reports at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback and other ideas at Wikipedia talk:VisualEditor. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 21:38, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

50th edition

Here is the 50th edition. I can only apologise this is so late as a lot of work came up but it is still no excuse so again I will apologise. Inside includes everything since the last edition as usual. Enjoy. Simply south...... fighting ovens for just 7 years 23:09, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter for September 19, 2013

VisualEditor has been updated twice in the last two weeks. As usual, what is now running on the English Wikipedia had a test run at Mediawiki during the previous week.

As announced, the toolbar was redesigned to be simpler, shorter, and to have the ability to have drop-down groups with descriptions. What you see now is the initial configuration and is expected to change in response to feedback from the English Wikipedia and other Wikipedias. The controls to add <u> (underline), <sub> (subscript), and <sup> (superscript), <s> (strikethrough) and <code> (computer code/monospace font) annotations to text are available to all users in the drop-down menu. At the moment, all but the most basic tools have been moved into a single drop-down menu, including the tools for inserting media, references, reference lists, and templates. The current location of all of the items in the toolbar is temporary, and your opinions about the best order are needed! Please offer suggestions at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback/Toolbar.

In an eagerly anticipated upgrade to the reference dialog, newly added references or reference groups no longer need the page to be saved before they can be re-used (bugs 51689 and 52000). The 'Use existing reference' button is now disabled on pages which don't yet have any references (bug 51848). The template parameter filter in the transclusion dialog now searches both parameter name and label (bug 51670).

In response to several requests, there are some new keyboard shortcuts. You can now set the block/paragraph formatting from the keyboard: Ctrl+0 sets a block as a regular paragraph; Ctrl+1 up to Ctrl+6 sets it as a Heading 1 ("Page title") to Heading 6 ("Sub-heading 4"); Ctrl+7 sets it as pre-formatted (bug 33512). Ctrl+2, which creates level 2 section headings, may be the most useful.

Some improvements were made to capitalization for links, so typing in "iPhone" will offer a link to "iPhone" as well as "IPhone" (bug 50452).

Copying and pasting within the same document should work better as of today's update, as should copying from VisualEditor into a third-party application (bug 53364, bug 52271, bug 52460). Work on copying and pasting between VisualEditor instances (for example, between two articles) and retaining formatting when copying from an external source into VisualEditor is progressing.

Major improvements to editing with input method editors (IMEs; mostly used for Indic and East Asian languages) are being deployed today. This is a complex change, so it may produce unexpected errors. On a related point, the names of languages listed in the "languages" (langlinks) panel in the Page settings dialog now display as RTL when appropriate (bug 53503).

Looking ahead: The help/'beta' menu will soon expose the build number next to the "Leave feedback" link, so users can give more specific reports about issues they encounter (bug 53050). This change will make it easier for developers to identify any cacheing issues, once it starts reporting the build number (currently, it says "Version false"). Also, inserting a link, reference or media file will put the cursor after the new content again (bug 53560). Next week’s update will likely improve how dropdowns and other selection menus behave when they do not fit on the screen, with things scrolling so the selected item is always in view.

If you are active at other Wikipedias, the next group of Wikipedias to have VisualEditor offered to all users is being finalized. About two dozen Wikipedias are on the list for Tuesday, September 24 for logged-in users only, and on Monday, September 30 for unregistered editors. You can help with translating the documentation. In several cases, most of the translation is already done, and it only needs to be copied over to the relevant Wikipedia. If you are interested in finding out whether a particular Wikipedia is currently on the list, you can leave a message for me at my talk page.

For other questions or suggestions, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting problem reports at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback and other ideas at Wikipedia talk:VisualEditor. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 21:38, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of What Remains (TV series)

Hello! Your submission of What Remains (TV series) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Lihaas (talk) 15:25, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Oct Metro

I will also happily accept requests for the gallery (if not, images will be selected from archives elsewhere). Again I will also remind people that if they ever want to try doing a future month's issue, feel free to with your own style etc or even just stick to the current format. Don't hesitate to contact me for the resources of things to include in this newsletter. Otherwise, enjoy! Simply south...... cooking letters for just 7 years 01:10, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

DYK for What Remains (TV series)

The DYK project (nominate) 08:02, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks much

Thank you for your updates to Sian Breckin. Cheers, — Cirt (talk) 15:12, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

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Cast list on The Wrong Mans

I have just attempted to add to the cast list on The Wrong Mans, now that we are at the halfway point, only to find you have 22 more listed, but "hidden".
What is your plan with regard to this and may I help? Glad to, if it suits you.
Cheers!
— | Gareth Griffith-Jones | The Welsh Buzzard | — 10:04, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

I added the hidden cast list to determine which actors were only guest starring in the series. When the series has ended, I'll create a guest starring section with each episode like I've done here.  Tentinator  18:18, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
Yes, that looks excellent. Out of pure self-interest, please tell me how you obtained such information. i. e. Who counts as a regular and who as a guest actor? I am enjoying the show exceedingly.
— | Gareth Griffith-Jones | The Welsh Buzzard | — 20:19, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

A tag has been placed on File:Screenshot 2.png requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the image is an unused redundant copy (all pixels the same or scaled down) of an image in the same file format, which is on Wikipedia (not on Commons), and all inward links have been updated.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Blurred Lines 18:33, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter on 16 October 2013

VisualEditor is still being updated every Thursday. As usual, what is now running on the English Wikipedia had a test run at Mediawiki during the previous week. If you haven't done so already, you can turn on VisualEditor by going to your preferences and choosing the item, "MediaWiki:Visualeditor-preference-enable".

The reference dialog for all Wikipedias, especially the way it handles citation templates, is being redesigned. Please offer suggestions and opinions at mw:VisualEditor/Design/Reference Dialog. (Use your Wikipedia username/password to login there.) You can also drag and drop references (select the reference, then hover over the selected item until your cursor turns into the drag-and-drop tool). This also works for some templates, images, and other page elements (but not yet for text or floated items). References are now editable when they appear inside a media item's caption (bug 50459).

There were a number of miscellaneous fixes made: Firstly, there was a bug that meant that it was impossible to move the cursor using the keyboard away from a selected node (like a reference or template) once it had been selected (bug 54443). Several improvements have been made to scrollable windows, panels, and menus when they don't fit on the screen or when the selected item moves off-screen. Editing in the "slug" at the start of a page no longer shows up a chess pawn character ("♙") in some circumstances (bug 54791). Another bug meant that links with a final punctuation character in them broke extending them in some circumstances (bug 54332). The "page settings" dialog once again allows you to remove categories (bug 54727). There have been some problems with deployment scripts, including one that resulted in VisualEditor being broken for an hour or two at all Wikipedias (bug 54935). Finally, snowmen characters ("☃") no longer appear near newly added references, templates and other nodes (bug 54712).

Looking ahead: Development work right now is on rich copy-and-paste abilities, quicker addition of citation templates in references, setting media items' options (such as being able to put images on the left), switching into wikitext mode, and simplifying the toolbar. A significant amount of work is being done on other languages during this month. If you speak a language other than English, you can help with translating the documentation.

For other questions or suggestions, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting problem reports at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback and other ideas at Wikipedia talk:VisualEditor. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:38, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Its not spam or Violence of copyrights

Dear Tentinator

I am a new user here. We are not doing any spam or violence of copyrights when adding in external links, We have official internet rights of 450 Tamil & Kannada films bought from producers for the period of 99 years. We are adding the external links in wikipedia page for films which internet rights are with us so that any user who is reading information in wikipedia page can watch that film.

Thanking You, Cinema Junction — Preceding unsigned comment added by CinemaJunction (talkcontribs) 12:15, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

The Thirteenth Tale (film)

Template:Did you know nominations/The Thirteenth Tale (film)

  • I believe that there may be some issues with your DYK nomination, BUT it is my first DYK review, so be gentle with me! Edwardx (talk) 21:39, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

about Mercedes Masohn

i think that you're modification is not appropriate .


Fred Aster. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.205.232.151 (talk) 20:50, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Jamaica Inn (BBC TV series)

The DYK project (nominate) 08:04, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

From there to Here

Hiya, I believe you have removed an edit I made to the above page. I am new to this so apologies if I should not edit a page without permission but I believe I followed all the steps correctly. My son is Harrison gilbert and he has just finished filming his part as 'Harry', Daniel Vottons grandson. Can you advise why it has been removed? Many thanks, Fiona Gilbert (InspectorFiona) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.110.108.77 (talk) 18:22, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

It was removed because you didn't provide a source for the information. I've found one and added part of it back.  Tentinator  19:18, 26 October 2013 (UTC)