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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Equestria Daily

Undo your close of this. It is not a snow close and because the AFD was never properly submitted, the general community was never able to comment on it. Please relist it on today's log or I will send it to DRV to have it done by another administrator.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 01:45, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Ah...I hadn't thought of that, sorry. Will do. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:46, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
Thank you. And it would help if in the future if you saw that the AFD was never properly listed to relist it. :P—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 01:47, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
I'll keep that in mind. :P Personally, I'll blame the pizza and trout myself! - The Bushranger One ping only 01:50, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Whack!

You've been whacked with a wet trout.

Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know that you did something silly.
Mmmmm, crispy! :D - The Bushranger One ping only 07:38, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

WikiCup 2011 September newsletter

We are on this year's home straight, with less than a month to go until the winner of the 2011 WikiCup will be decided. The fight for first place is currently being contested by Principality of Sealand Miyagawa (submissions), Zanzibar Hurricanehink (submissions) and Australia Sp33dyphil (submissions), all of whom have over 200 points. This round has already seen multiple featured articles (1991 Atlantic hurricane season from Hurricanehink and Northrop YF-23 from Sp33dyphil) and a double-scoring featured list (Miyagawa's 1948 Summer Olympics medal table). The scores will likely increase far further before the end of the round on October 31 as everyone ups their pace. There is not much more to say- thoughts about next year's competition are welcome on the WikiCup talk page or the scoring talk page, and signups will open once a few things have been sorted out.

If you are concerned that your nomination, be it at good article candidates, a featured process or anywhere else, will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews. However, please remember to continue to offer reviews at GAC, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which could otherwise be caused by the Cup. As ever, questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges are reachable on their talk pages, or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn and The ed17 12:54, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Category:Jamaican people of Jewish descent

I'm in the process of adding the remaining categories which could affect your neutral opinion at the discussion. Vegaswikian (talk) 17:28, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

2008 Guam B-52 crash

2008 Guam B-52 crash - opinions as to its notability differ it seems, do you think it worth an AfD ?GraemeLeggett (talk) 19:03, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I do - it fails WP:AIRCRASH pretty comprehensively, and I don't see anything beyond that to make it worth keeping. - The Bushranger One ping only 21:43, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

AfD on ViSalus problem

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ViSalus (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Thank you for relisting the discussion. I nominated it using Twinkle. Can you explain to me what happened to cause a glitch? I confess I'm not even sure what you mean by "original log".--Bbb23 (talk) 00:03, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Honestly, I have no idea why it didn't appear - I think that, sometimes, Twinkle just somehow doesn't add the AfD to the log. The only solution is just to check today's AfD page to be sure after nominating (I learned this the hard way once :) ). As for what I meant - the article's original log would have been the AfD log for August 28. Glad to help! - The Bushranger One ping only 00:08, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, I'll try to remember to check the log next time.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:10, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Deletion question

Why did you delete the page electro house/electro-house/electrohouse? I really feel that it does not have the right to be deleted, and that all content on the page was appropriate for Wikipedia. Ian Streeter (talk) 01:15, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

The article was nominated for deletion, and the consensus of the Wikipedia community after the week alloted for a deletion discussion was that it should be deleted. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:16, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Too rough on the guy?

Thanks for relisting. Would you look back at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eddie Quist (2nd nomination)? I'll watch here for any response from you. Thanks! BusterD (talk) 01:28, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Looks like you just did plenty of due diligence before casting your !vote! :) - The Bushranger One ping only 01:30, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
I agree that BEFORE is essential to keeping the process focused, but it makes me hot under the collar that someone I normally trust and admire would act in what I view as such a petty way. This WP:BEFORE frustration, especially in connection with the often reflexive behavior of some rabid inclusionists, has led Jclemens to exercise a poor method of communicating the valid point. In my unintentionally ambiguous section title I was asking whether I'd been too rough on Jclemens, not he on the nominator. BusterD (talk) 01:41, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
Ah. Well, your comment looks alright to me. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:42, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
While we're interacting, I see you helped clean up the bizarre backlog I saw when I looked at AFD today. How was it possible so many processes got missed in the logs? A very strange thing to see, but fortunately easy to clean up. As a non-admin, there was only so much I could do. Appreciate your sorting wheat from chaff, closing and relisting. BusterD (talk) 01:49, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
No problem, glad to help out! It's odd isn't it? I think (memory's just a little hazy) that happened to me once though, and I managed to catch it - sometimes, it seems Twinkle doesn't do the edit to add the AfD page to the day's log. Should be a reccomended practice to always double-check afterwards, I reckon. :) - The Bushranger One ping only 01:50, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Why was "electro house" nominated for deletion?

Why was the article nominated for deletion? It's a real genre for dance music artists and producers (e.g. Inna [singer], Benny Benassi, [producer]). Ian Streeter (talk) 01:46, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

The deletion discussion should be referenced for rationale and reasoning. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:47, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

SaFire

Hi. As the deleting admin, I wanted to make you aware that a late argument was posted to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/SaFire in this edit, to wit: "Please undelete, Safire is famous among many thousands of hoop dancers in North America, and the founder of an online hooping community which is approaching 10,000 members and growing. She is widely considered to be one of the best hoop dancers in North america. Try searching for her on youtube, not google, and check how many views her infamous videos have had." I will be notifying the poster of that argument, 24.68.112.165 (talk), of this discussion shortly.   — Jeff G. ツ (talk) 03:18, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. If there's a reliable source that the IP can provide, the proper forum for the discussion would be deletion reviews. :) Or, simply recreating the article with the new sources, seeing as that was deleted in March. - The Bushranger One ping only 03:21, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
Right, but I thought it best to notify you and wait for such a source, rather than cavalierly proceeding with a deletion review.   — Jeff G. ツ (talk) 03:29, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
Makes sense. And thanks! :) - The Bushranger One ping only 03:38, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

My bad

I'm sorry, The Bushranger … Regarding this notification, I had a Senior Moment and got confused by following redirects … mistook one for being a recreation of the other when the name went from being redlinked, and the file just having been created the same day that it had been deleted by AfD (my watchlist showed the creation of a file with the same name) … anywho, my bad, and I'll take this as a clue that I've been doing this Too Long, and it's time to take a break until after I've had some sleep. :-) Happy Editing! — 70.21.5.28 (talk · contribs) 04:32, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

No worries! I've had that happen to me sometimes, so I know what it's like. :) - The Bushranger One ping only 04:33, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

New page question?

On the deletion discussion for the page "Electro house", someone said that the reason why it was deleted is because the page was written very badly. And if I completely re-write the page, like the person asked me to, I won't be able to make a redirect to the page called "Electro-house". And I can only do this if you redirect "Electro-house" (NOT "Electro house") to "House music#2000s". Ian Streeter (talk) 20:51, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

It was not deleted because of bad writing. It was deleted because no reliable sources could be found. If reliable sources are found, you can feel free to try to rewrite. And why would you not be able to make a redirect? Redirects can be edited and changed. :) - The Bushranger One ping only 21:04, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Problem caused by redlink

Hello again, The Bushranger …

I think that we may have created a problem because of a redirect that was created in response to a redlink … Some Other Editor recreated Electro house (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) after it had been deleted because of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Electro house so that they could have a #REDIRECT, and provided the edit summary, "appropriate redirect" … please see this dialog as well as this referenced dialog for how I got confused and thought that the deleted article had been recreated as a WP:CSD#G4 … it turns out that the redirect also created a circular loop, because the target section contained a wikilink to electro house … I have recently completed redlink cleanup after Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fidget house and found that it was in {{House music-footer}} … "Electro house" was also in that template, but I have removed it, just as I removed "Fidget house" following its AfD.

What I really want to say is that Electro_house#2000s is not an appropriate target for a redirect, because it contains absolutely nothing about "electro house" except to mention it … note that Some Other Editor created another problem when they "simplified heading" from The 21st century: 2000s to 2000s (broke the redirect) … anywho, the result of the AfD was that "Electro house" is not notable enough for an article, so even trying to redirect it is a Bad Idea … it should be redlinked, just like "Fidget house" … so how can we delete the "electro house" file? I think that as the closing admin maybe you could just delete it, referencing Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Electro house and this dialog as the source of the problem.

Happy Editing! — 70.21.5.28 (talk · contribs) 02:30, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Well, it's entirely possible for things that ren't notable enough to have an article to be perfectly fine as redirects. Of course, if the target of the redirect says nothing about the subject... Anyway, the place to discuss redirects that aren't "recently created and implausible" (And thus speedy-able) is WP:RFD. :) (Given it points to "House music" I'd have trouble justifying it as "implausible" despite the lack of content.) - The Bushranger One ping only 02:34, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 Done - see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2011 October 3#Electro house, — 70.21.5.28 (talk) 03:10, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Rolls-Royce Olympus

Thank you for your helpful comments on Rolls-Royce Olympus in Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation/Assessment. I have added the additional citations as you have suggested. Cheers. XJ784 (talk) 18:03, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Nice work! It just needs one more reference - for the paragraph in the "Rolls-Royce/Snecma Olympus 593" section - and it'll be a solid B. - The Bushranger One ping only 18:05, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
Done. Thank you. XJ784 (talk) 18:31, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

ST Aerospace A-4SU Super Skyhawk

I'm about to head off myself, but I'll give it a looking over when I get back. - The Bushranger One ping only 18:42, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
Hm, looks to me like it needs a lot more inline citations, but that's the only thing keeping it from becoming B-class. - The Bushranger One ping only 22:50, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
Facepalm Facepalm... Thanks, I'll work on that. --Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 05:56, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
No worries! We all miss stuff. - The Bushranger One ping only 05:57, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Contested Deletion

Hello, I see the post for "Danilo Ursini" has been deleted. It is my understanding that the deletion relates to queries as to whether the artist exposed at the Louvre. After research, I was able to find references that he was a participating artist in "Carrousel de Louvre" 2010 - also called "Art Shopping".

<:ref>http://www.artconek.com/page/art-shopping-2010.php</ref> / http://www.salon-artshopping.com/</ref>

The artist appears to have some notoriety if you google his name. In particular, he is well-known in the Ossola region of Italy.

He is a featured artist at Ingremiomatris Culture Association <:ref>http://www.ingremiomatris.com/sottopasso/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=83%3Adanilo-ursini&catid=58%3Adanilo-ursini&Itemid=63</ref> <:ref>http://www.lagomaggiore.it/eventi/domodossola-sottopasso-arte-contemporanea-volo</ref>

He is a winner of the Whole9 Peace Project "Inspiration Award" <:ref>http://www.thewhole9.com/thepeaceproject-home.php</ref>

He is featured in Puglia Esclusive and many other news articles <:ref>http://www.pugliainesclusiva.it/en/destroy-mostra/</ref> for an exhibition in Bari: <:ref>http://www.controweb.it/desc_articolo.php?id=2123; http://www.barimagazine.it/2011/07/25/destroy-mostra-darte-contemporanea-multimediale-2/</ref>

He has a profile on Vogue Italia <:ref>http://www.vogue.it/en/photovogue/Profilo/6c8e8ede-a3e8-4e4e-857a-536112456fc7/User</ref>

He had an Exhibition for Fashion Night Out, Vogue Italia "Watch Mi" <:ref>http://www.cronacamilano.it/mostre-eventi/17292-mostra-watch-click-milano-vogue-fashion-night-out-sinergia-tra-nuovi-talenti-fotografici-e-autorevoli-marchi-dorologi.html</ref> <:ref>http://it.paperblog.com/vogue-fashion-s-night-out-2011-568871/</ref>

He had an exhibit at the Florence Biennale <:ref>http://www.florencebiennale.org/artisti09.php</ref> <:ref>http://www.mirror800.it/</ref>

He exhibited in the Ossola region in Italy <:ref>http://www.arteinossola.it/archivio_2010.html

He exhibited for Human Rights Art from World in Trento, Italy <:ref>http://www.robertoronca.com/eventi/invito%20HR%202010.pdf</ref> <:ref>http://www.larepubblicanews.it/default.asp?lang=ita&sezione=Mostre&contenuto=8858</ref> <:ref>http://www.positanonews.it/articoli/44178/colle_di_miravalle_rovereto_tn_human_rights.html</ref>

An exhibition in Verbania <:ref>http://www.museodelpaesaggio.it/836,News.html</ref>

There are many more references on google. Also, many photos if you go to <:ref>http://www.google.it/search?q=danilo+ursini&hl=it&biw=1390&bih=780&prmd=imvnso&source=lnms&tbm=isch&ei=BmaKToeJDI7I0AHU2snNBA&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=2&ved=0CBAQ_AUoAQ</ref>


Amanda003 (talk) 01:59, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi there. If you've found reliable sources for the artist, you can post at deletion review to discuss having the article undeleted or recreated. :) - The Bushranger One ping only 02:30, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
  • TBH, I spend half my time looking out for formatting error and the other half trying to fix them, apologies for the latest foul-up. Anyway, its bleedingly obvious the split amongst the Editor/SysOp population how the template of facepalm is argued upon but it is cases such as now that I... Facepalm Facepalm... you get the picture. --Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 06:40, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

AfDs with little or no discussion

Hey Bushranger, I noticed you closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stuart Lafferty. Last year, I started a discussion about AfDs that have already been relisted twice. (If you already know about all this, feel free to ignore the rest of my message.) The conclusion is pretty much spelled out in WP:QUORUM: relist a third time only if there is a very good reason to do so, otherwise close as "no consensus" or "delete." When I make such a "no consensus" close, I like to specify WP:NPASR (i.e. since the community didn't reject the deletion, the nominator should be allowed to renominate immediately), and when I make such a "delete" close, it is called soft deletion and treated as an uncontested PROD, so anyone can request restoration at WP:REFUND. My rule of thumb is: if there are no "keep" !votes, close as "soft delete," but if there are any "keep" !votes, no matter how poorly reasoned (remember that if it were closed as soft delete they could just refund it for any reason), close as "no consensus NPASR." (In these closes I always link to WP:NPASR or WP:SOFTDELETE to let people know what I'm talking about.) In your case I would have closed as "soft delete" as the equivalent of an uncontested PROD. You don't have to go change it, just trying to be helpful. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 07:56, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Ahhh, thanks. I kinda wondered about that but wasn't quite sure. I think I'll start doing that from now on. Thanks for the help! :) - The Bushranger One ping only 08:49, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Global Poverty Project

Hi Bushranger. As I was doing some work on the Hugh Evans (humanitarian) article, I see you closed Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Global_Poverty_Project. Would it be possible for you to userfy a copy of that article so I can see if it is worth attempting to cite and write? There seem to be a lot of references to the organization as I've been working on the Evans article. Thank you. ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 23:28, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 23:44, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
Hi again, Bushranger. I've taken a stab at sourcing it and think it may be ready for others to contribute to the effort, but would like a second opinion. I think it currently has enough to pass WP:GNG now. Would you mind taking a look, and if you feel it is ready for others to start working on it would you be kind enough to move it back to Article space and tag it with a tag for expansion if you feel it is appropriate? Thank you. ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 01:04, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
Despite its short length, that's stupendously improved; I have no problem moving it to Articlespace as a valid stub. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:45, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
Thank you for moving it back, I hope some other users can use it as a stub to build upon effectively. ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 03:18, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
No problem! Glad to be able to help out. - The Bushranger One ping only 03:19, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Murzyn and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Wrestling Observer Newsletter awards (3rd nomination)

When AfD discussions have had substantial debate, admins should explain why they are relisting them. Would you append rationales to your relistings of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Murzyn and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Wrestling Observer Newsletter awards (3rd nomination) on the AfD pages, so that the participants understand why their discussion was deficient? You can see examples at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yadunandana Swami. Thanks, Cunard (talk) 08:52, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Done, and thanks for the tip. :) - The Bushranger One ping only 08:56, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Your rationale here for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Wrestling Observer Newsletter awards (3rd nomination) can be applicable to most divided AfD discussions. Would you elaborate further about why you chose to relist instead of close? Specifically, please explain which policies and arguments by the "delete" convinced you to relist the discussion. This will allow the participants to focus on addressing your concerns. Thank you, Cunard (talk) 08:58, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
I don't really have any specific policies that spring to mind as major reasons, it just seems that (bearing in mind that it is not a majority vote the deletion arguments balance the keep !votes. I have added a note though noting that I have no objections if anyone else thinks differently and goes ahead and closes it. :) - The Bushranger One ping only 09:05, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
The same is applicable here with Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Murzyn.

I don't think your explanation here is sufficient. If you cannot articulate specific reasons as to why you are relisting the discussions, then I don't think the discussions should be relisted. Cunard (talk) 09:09, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Then another admin is free to close them one way or the other, without any complaint from me. - The Bushranger One ping only 09:12, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
If the consensus seems clear (both AfDs seem to be "keeps"), they should be closed after seven days unless there are deficiencies in the discussions (see Beeblebrox's comment here for an example). Your relists indicate that the discussions are deficient. Most admins will not close relisted discussions until an additional seven days have passed. By maintaining your relist, closing admins likely won't see the discussions until after seven days because they mainly review overdue discussions for closure. It is unfair to the AfD participants to have the discussions run for an additional seven days without explanations why the discussions were insufficient. Please either provide specific reasons for your relists or undo them. Cunard (talk) 09:20, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
Well, I suppose I'll undo them, then - hopefully they won't get lost in the shuffle due to MathBot's insisting the old AfD discussions are empty. - The Bushranger One ping only 09:25, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
Thank you. I hope that whenever you relist a discussion that has had substantial participation, you leave a relisting comment. I asked you to review your relists because I have seen AfD participants become confused as to why a discussion is relisted when there has been plenty of participation. Sometimes, the relists led to additional acrimony among the participants. I hope you do not take my comments as an affront to the good work you do at AfD. Best, Cunard (talk) 09:28, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
No worries. :) I probably should resist the urge to close borderline AfDs when it's 5am anyway. And thanks! - The Bushranger One ping only 09:30, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
5am? You are very devoted to Wikipedia. I'd recommend saving the easy AfDs for 5am closures, and the borderline ones for 5pm. Cunard (talk) 09:32, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
Sleep is for the weak, and I was upgraded to replace hemoglobin with caffeine many moons ago. But you're probably right. ;) - The Bushranger One ping only 09:34, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
And lack of sleep makes me weak. Sleep makes me strong. ;) Cunard (talk) 09:37, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

You May Have Forgotten You Commented In A Deletion Discussion In Which You Closed

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dating and marriage at Brigham Young University

I just noticed that you have closed this as an involved administrator, which is against deletion policy. I'll leave it up to you to take this to WP:DR or relist the article, or wait for an uninvolved editor to close the debate.Curb Chain (talk) 15:52, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Ah, I had forgotten I'd commented. However I didn't !vote in it. If that doesn't make a difference, I'll revert the closing. - The Bushranger One ping only 18:34, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
On second thought, I'll play it safe. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. :) - The Bushranger One ping only 18:36, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
Thank you. I agree this was the right decision.Curb Chain (talk) 18:46, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Hang glider (commerce)

In steps upon the deletion that feels most uncomfortable. In over ten years this has not happened to my works in WP. 1. [ ] Please tell me how I can get a copy of the work that I did for starting the article. I do not see the contents for use in sandboxing. Please direct me to how to see the work I did; or please e-mail to me the work I did. I sure hope the work is not forever lost. Thank you for helping me get a working copy of work. 2. Joefaust (talk) 23:06, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

I've created a userspace draft of the article for you here. :) - The Bushranger One ping only 23:08, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
Thank you in advance; I will go see the offer. Joefaust (talk) 23:11, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
[ ] 2. Thanks. I see it .Whew!. [ ] Bushranger, I am not a newbie about Hang glider commerce. I founded the first Hang Glider Manufacturer's Association HGMA and was first founding publisher of Hang Glider Business Weekly in early 1970. I substantially helped found USA hang glider manufacturing and helped to spawn the growth of hang glider commerce at its modern beginning. I was first publisher of modern hang gliding commerce publications. The article for WP holds a start toward a robust mature article that will serve readers around the world. What WP policy do you see in the start version that would cause the article to be be deleted fairly? I thought WP wants to encourage knowledge that is helpful to the world. Thank you for your moment. Joefaust (talk) 23:28, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
Well, to be completely honest, the original article was impossible to understand. The only way multiple people could agree it made any sense was if it was designed to showcase the links in the references. If I could make a suggestion? You might want to contact the Guild of Copyeditors to look your article over once you have it completed, to smooth it before releasing it to articlespace; in addition, you might want to consider that Hang gliding already has a good start for information on the subject, and should be expanded upon, instead of having a new article written from scratch, perhaps. Alternatively, perhaps the article coul dbe about the Hang Glider Manufacturer's Association as an adjunct to that article (and bearing in mind WP:COI)? - The Bushranger One ping only 00:21, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

.js pages

Thanks for deleting the moved .js file. Could yo please also delete User:Bongomatic/twinkleoptions.js and User:Bongomatic/monobook.js?

Regards, Bongomatic 02:40, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Consider it done! - The Bushranger One ping only 02:41, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

List of plants used as medicine AfD

Hi. You recently closed WP:Articles for deletion/List of plants used as medicine as withdrawn. Technically, withdrawal falls under WP:Speedy keep 1, which requires that there are no outstanding delete recommendations. I count three deletes, and User:Curb Chain made a comment a few hours before you closed it. This is just a reminder – I'm not challenging the outcome. Thanks. Flatscan (talk) 04:14, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Ahhh, thanks. I'll keep that in mind for the next time somebody withdraws and there's delete votes. Thanks for the heads-up! :) - The Bushranger One ping only 04:15, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Fenestron-using helicopters

Category:Fenestron-using helicopters, which you created, has been nominated for discussion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mike Selinker (talk) 17:57, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

AfD closure

I'm not sure what happened, but this AfD never got closed [1]. I'm the nom, so I shouldn't close it. Would you mind taking care of it? Niteshift36 (talk) 02:59, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

It looks like when the article was relisted, it didn't get transcluded into the AfD log for September 23, which is why it didn't get closed. Given that, it should probably be relisted once more, based on what I've been told about situations like that in the past, so I'll relist it. Thanks for bringing it to my attention! - The Bushranger One ping only 03:04, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Your comment on ANI

I don't believe I have been uncivil with respect to BLP2E. I believe your comment, specifically sullying my civility was coarse and uncalled-for when you said "both of you". Toddst1 (talk) 04:47, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

I apologise for that, I was a bit harried here at home and let that slip through. I'll strike that out. Again, most apologies. - The Bushranger One ping only 05:10, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. Toddst1 (talk) 14:02, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you - what does snow mean?

As in your 'snow delete' recommendation made at [this AfD]. I've recently woken from a long wikinap, and haven't seen the word in that context. Thanks in advance. Colonel Tom 08:35, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

WP:SNOW is an accepted process where, if an article or proposal "doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell" of being kept/passed or deleted/rejected, the proposal can be closed, before the normal time period of the discussion being allowed to run out, to avoid running out a foregone conclusion. In this case, since every vote is for delete, I proposed to enact the "snow clause" as there's no apparent way the article is likely to be kept. - The Bushranger One ping only 08:38, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
I thought I'd searched on that. Obviously not well enough. Thanks very much. Colonel Tom 09:03, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

The Hutchins School

With regards to the actions of User:Prof. Nolan, this isn't a content dispute, it is a matter of trolling. Students at the Hutchins School are subject to bullying from students at other nearby schools who write off the school colour as Pink, as opposed to the school's official position that it is Magenta. It sounds trivial, but this is, unfortunately, what school age kids obsess over.

Prof. Nolan is a WP:VOA troll. ˜danjel [ talk | contribs ] 08:52, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Well, in that case, if he edits to restore "pink" to the article again, he should be blocked immediately. - The Bushranger One ping only 08:54, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
OK, I'm coming back to you for it though, because clearly I fail at explaining this properly. ˜danjel [ talk | contribs ] 09:11, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Urantia Book

I am curious what qualifies you, other than your extensive military background to make a major edit on the Urantia Book site? Are you a well versed reader? Do you have an intricate understanding of the cross referencing within the book. Just curious169.133.140.5 (talk) 17:09, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

I've moved your comment to my main talk page. I'm afraid I have no idea to what you are referring to, as I've never so much as viewed Urantia Book before. - The Bushranger One ping only 17:22, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Pothead

Please hold off on edits to Pothead, which will not be a redirect page for very long. User:Mjpresson deleted it based on my comments on his talk. In addition to the slang terms (I really don't care where the disambig links end up), pothead is a term for an electrical device that is going to get its own article or at least a disambig page.--Theodore Kloba (talk) 21:55, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Ahh, it would make more sense for it to have an article on the device than be a redirect. It's just that it didn't meat the criteria to be speedy-able (that would be for WP:RFD, actually). No worries about it from my part. :) -The Bushranger One ping only 21:58, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

About the Lidiya Zabolotskaya deletion debate

Hey. When you closed the debate, you forgot to delete the second article I nominated, Femke Verschueren. Thanks. Kosm1fent Won't you talk to me? 05:38, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Eeep, I completely overlooked that, thanks for the catch! - The Bushranger One ping only 06:47, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Category:Cancelled military aircraft projects of the United States

I've set this new category up. Please use it in preference to Cancelled military aircraft projects when fixing Abandoned military aircraft projects of the United States, or else we're going to be populating a supercat that will only need to be re-worked again in the future. Thanks. Andy Dingley (talk) 10:32, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Hm, fair enough, given the volume of America vs The World in that department! - The Bushranger One ping only 19:52, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
On a similar subject I notice that you seem to be removing country categories completely for abandoned projects, did I miss the discussion? Cheers. Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by) 22:23, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
Are you referring to abandonded projects not being in Category:Fooian foofighters 1492-1776-type categories anymore? The discussion was here; the general idea is that aircraft that never flew shouldn't be in those categories. Of course it's open to further discussion if you disagee! - The Bushranger One ping only 22:27, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
Doesn't seem related, that's a fairly obscure talk page that few editors watch, including me. The discussion there does not mention country categories at a quick glance. This diff [2] removed the aircraft from the abandoned French category and put it in a general category which I would disagree with. Some of the country categories are now empty and from experience the usual next move is to nominate these empty categories for deletion (because they are empty!). Perhaps I'm reading this wrong? Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by) 22:37, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
Ahhh. Well, after that discussion, when I went about carrying out that, I decided to rescope the "Abandoned..." to include only those that didn't fly, while "cancelled..." would be for those that did. However "Cancelled..." probably should be entierly by-country as well, so I'll fix that straightaway. - The Bushranger One ping only 22:39, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
Well, abandoned or cancelled means much the same thing, we should have consistency though (which we had before?) but losing the country groupings was not useful. To me this was a big enough change that should have been brought up at WT:AIR. Where did the criteria built/unflown or flown come from? There are unbuilt paper projects as well. I think it gets very complicated, some abandoned projects were intended for military use but privately funded without contract (so they could not be cancelled). Just need to confirm the best single word through wide discussion to categorise an aircraft type that did not make it for one reason or the other but please keep the country groups. Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by) 22:54, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
Not seperating "cancelled' by countries wasn't my best choice, I realise - in my defense, I haven't been getting much sleep lately. I'll keep them grouped by country. As for why...well, as noted, the (weak?) consensus was that those not flown shouldn't be in the by-type categories as well, and while implementing that, I've never been happy with the "abandoned..." scope as it turned out after I created it, since some were "abandoned", others "cancelled", while others simply lost flyoffs pure and simple, so I decided to be bold and try to make it clearer, by seperating not-flown from flown. No problems with it being discussed or even turning it back if consensus is it's a bad idea though! - The Bushranger One ping only 22:58, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
If it's not clear in your own mind then it does need wider discussion for other project editor's opinions/advice. I have a passing interest because there are abandoned aero engine projects, probably not enough for separate country categories but it is important to get it right first time. Look forward to the discussion at WT:AIR. Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by) 23:10, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
Well, aero-engines should probably be in something like Category:Cancelled aircraft engine projects instead of the aircraft cats themselves, per se, I'd think? Anyway, here ya go! - The Bushranger One ping only 23:27, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Exactly but there are those that argue the category system is not worth a bean for readers (and they are probably right)! I use it a lot for editing but get very confused when it changes daily. Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by) 23:44, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Fair enough, that - on both points! I'm trying to get things sorted out, but a lot of people seem to go "bah, readers don't use it, so I don't bother" and overall I like to pun that it's like herding cats. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:47, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
That would be me! I am just not sure how much time we should spend on cats versus fixing articles. For example, perhaps our most popular category Category:Single-engine aircraft had 276 views in September. Category:Applebay Sailplanes got 6 page views in September. In comparison, heck even this talk page got 328 page views in September. On the other hand a popular aircraft article like Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor had 156,567 views in the same time. Even the lowly Cessna 172 got 40,209 page views. Probably most of those cat hits were WikiProject Aircraft members working on them, not casual readers. My point is simply that readers aren't using cats. Something to sleep on before you spend six weeks fixing them up. We could probably put all the aviation articles in one Category:Aviation and no one would notice. - Ahunt (talk) 00:07, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
A fair point, then again at least in my case I'm OC (not WP:OC!) when it comes to cats I guess. ;) - The Bushranger One ping only 00:09, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
👍 Like - Ahunt (talk) 00:15, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Leave it to Adam to make dog-ratory comments about categories. But I whole heartedly agree with him on this one. - BilCat (talk) 00:18, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
It's a good day when Bill and I agree! - Ahunt (talk) 00:21, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

203.145.92.136

I've reduced the block to 24h to reduce collateral damage. The IP belongs to Hutchison 3G Hong Kong (also known as "3 Telecom", WHOIS), which is the first and largest mobile internet provider in Hong Kong. The IPs are therefore likely to rotate very frequently, which is the cause of the apparent "block evasion".

As for the edits made by this IP user, I've started a discussion at Talk:List of metro systems#Persistent "vandalism" about them. Deryck C. 10:51, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Ahhh. That makes sense. Thanks for letting me know. :) - The Bushranger One ping only 19:50, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Cover your nose!

  • To parody the slogan of Carl's Jr, "its going to get stinky!" From the looks of it, I'd say that the air around Wikipedia today is thick with smelly socks hanging around, running into one almost everywhere I turn. Strange... is summer break over yet? --Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 18:47, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Workable Words: Deep Words For Simple Living By Sterlin Sookoo

I will not be writing this article again and I would like you to completely remove the title as well for this page

The title reads:

Workable Words: Deep Words For Simple Living By Sterlin Sookoo

Please remove everything completely just like the contents were removed. I appreciate this so much. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheGoodReviewer (talk • contribs) 14:12, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

I second what DGG said in your comment on his page. :) - The Bushranger One ping only 16:16, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

AfD closures

The work may be routine, but it is essential and most useful to improving the encyclopedia. Thank you for what you do here. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:29, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Articles of Confederation

BR, Articles of Confederation has had alot of IP vandalism in the past few days. Could you take a look and consider semi-protecting it for few weeks? I'd like to give my rollbacks a little break! Thanks, whatever you decide to do with it. - BilCat (talk) 06:55, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

  • One word after looking at its article history: ouch. I've semi'd it for a month. - The Bushranger One ping only 07:34, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. Hopefully the government or US history classes will be on to other topics in a month. - BilCat (talk) 08:24, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Bouquet, and brickbat

Your advice that I was on the mat at ANI is appreciated.

But comments you made about me in your ANI posting are most definitely not appreciated, or justified.

You wrote “he does seem a bit combativeto come on a bit strong on the subject (and you're not the only person to be approached in that manner by him)” and you gave two examples.

  1. In this example I advised an admin he was out of line for leaving this erroneous warning about edit warring on another editor’s page. He clearly was.
  1. In this second example I (summary) advised the admin that the editor he warned for edit warring had validly edited six articles and ‘’’made only one revert’’’, and that was hardly edit warring.

How on earth do you consider that is coming on a bit strong?

Regarding the editor who filed the ANI against me, have you actualy seen the reverts he made tonight to my edits which had validly reinstated MOS. If not, will you look at them and give an admin’s considered opinion about them? Moriori (talk) 09:05, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Primarily by deciding to go ahead and immediately revert, instead of allowing the editor in question a chance to self-revert first, was my main concern there. Apologies if when it came to my wording, I chose...poorly. - The Bushranger One ping only 16:33, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Guizhou Soar Eagle

The DYK project (nominate) 12:03, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Great Blue Heron

I got excited after I ran into a bird with my camera today - I'm not certain, but I think its a Great Blue Heron. Since I am not an ornithologist, I thought I would ask you to confirm. Great Blue Heron? Thanks for your time. Gamweb (talk) 05:44, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Yup, that's a Great Blue. Nice pic! :) - The Bushranger One ping only 05:45, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Admin's Barnstar
I see you many time closing and reviewing AfDs, which can be many time a tedious thing to do. Just a recognization for that! :) ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 11:21, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
Thank you! - The Bushranger One ping only 18:48, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

iOS/Android version history AfD

It was totally inappropriate to close it as a SNOW decision; "It's useful", as 90% of the comments mentioned, is explicitly not a reason to keep an article. Sceptre (talk) 20:15, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

WP:ATA is an essay - a very useful one, but it's not mandated to ignore !votes based on usefulness. In addition, the fact that there was not one Delete !vote led to my decision to close. - The Bushranger One ping only 03:41, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

The Gambia

Hi, I've reversed your unilateral move to the lc version of the name. I appreciate that this is a GF edit, but there have been at least four lengthy discussions on this topic, none of which has reached a consensus to change to the lc version Jimfbleak - talk to me? 11:06, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

No worries. It just, well, looks weird being the only "The" in categories full of "the"s! - The Bushranger One ping only 19:09, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Team KNOx page deletion

It looks like that this article has been deleted and the main reason as i get from the discussion page is that it has got very low google hits? well I had earlier uploaded a pic of Team KNOx being on national news channel here in India , of CNN IBN channel under overdrive program, but it was copyright violation,nevertheless it is not just a small team. Also wiki has similar pages like UWO Formula Racing. I would like to restore the page Team KNOx.Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nrbhyagrwl (talk • contribs) 21:24, 15 October 2011‎ (UTC)

I'll userfy the page for you. It's now at User:Nrbhyagrwl/Team KNOx. - The Bushranger One ping only 19:37, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

BURRRP~!

For burrrping in the face of smelly socks, switch in the fan and you get a mug of liquid bread, cheers~! Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 03:46, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, I'll hops to drinking that! - The Bushranger One ping only 03:48, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Basket Zaragoza 2002‎‎: thanks

Thanks for the semi-protect on Basket Zaragoza 2002‎‎. I'll be keeping an eye on it and see if our dynamic IP doesn't sign up so we can discuss proper editing behaviours. I'll also try to remember to request an unprotect as soon as (s)he signs up. Again, much thanks. And in the spirit of your editing instructions, would you take offense if I gave you a nice smoked salmon? VanIsaacWScontribs 23:20, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Glad to help out. And salmon? Delicious! - The Bushranger One ping only 23:22, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Creating a tag

Greetings all powerful Bushranger.  :) I see you have alot of tags in your personal data section. I am wondering, how do I create a tag? I would like to create one that says "This user has a license to fart". :D Thanks. Shadow Android. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shadow Android (talk • contribs) 23:24, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Heh, I'm not quite sure that one would be appreciated around here...but if you go to WP:UBX you'll find the directions on how to make userboxes. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:26, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
Thank you. Now I just have one more question. I made the box, and posted it in my user page, but I have this ugly code box next to the user box. How do I get rid of it? Shadow Android (talk) 00:00, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
Never mind, I got it.  :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shadow Android (talk • contribs) 00:07, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Bhangra

Why else do you think that I was getting rid of the crap on the page?—Ryulong (竜龙) 02:51, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

More smelly socks

  • Shalom~! We could use your Admin knowledge/help here and here because I'm kinda lost or to be more precise, flabberghasted at the magnitude of unconstructive edits made by the two socks in the first case. The second case is a big mess, I got a big headache today just by looking at the two cases. Think I better go catch some sleep to do me some good instead. Cheers~! --Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 16:46, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
Ick, those do stink to high heaven...looks like the first one's wrapped up? As for the second...eew, just eew. Not sure what to make of that - aside from it distinctly looks like meatpuppetry to me. - The Bushranger One ping only 20:53, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

user:Mykjoseph

Hi! I noticed you blocked Mykjoseph for a legal threat. I was sniffing around for socks and found this edit by DavidSycamore (talk · contribs) to be concerning. Users Myk60640 (talk · contribs) and Mykjoseph1958 (talk · contribs) seem like obvious related accounts but are very stale and probably don't need any action. I thought you might want to take a look. OlYellerTalktome 17:27, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

  • Thanks for pointing those out. That first one is rather concerning indeed - perhaps it should be pointed out at AN/I?. The other ones are WP:DUCKs but, as you noted, pretty stale (eeew, stale socks!). - The Bushranger One ping only 20:48, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Zip_Code_30052

Thanks for deleting all of those. I was going through the AFD log and that one looked daunting to delete all of those. I was recruiting for help on IRC when you got most of those. I appreciate it.--v/r - TP 00:44, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

No problem! :) - The Bushranger One ping only 04:17, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Early AfD closures

Hi again. While I was reviewing early AfD closures for a discussion, I noticed that you had a few early SNOW closes on those logs. When I checked back later, I saw that you had closed several AfDs between 6 and 7 days, which seems to indicate that you were working on a log one day early. I thought that they were relabeled to prevent off-by-one errors, but I'm not sure. The link has a list of discussions on 7 days/168 hours, including the most recent WT:Articles for deletion/Archive 62#Time dating the AfD template (July–August 2011). I'm not terribly concerned about any of the individual closes, but you will probably get complaints if you're consistently closing a day early. Flatscan (talk) 04:26, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. I'm not quite sure why they're turning up though - I only start closing after 00:00 on the day at which a day's AfD log has been up for a full week. I.E., starting at 00:00 Wednesday, I start going through the previous Wednesday's log. Should I go through the logs at the end of a day instead of the start (i.e. start doing the previous Wednesday's log at 23:something Wednesday)? - The Bushranger One ping only 04:29, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
Yes, you can do that. (You might want to ask other closers what they do.) You could also close AfDs throughout the day. Using WP:Articles for deletion/Road FC as a specific example, it was opened 15:48, 7 October 2011 (UTC) and listed on the 7 October 2011 log. 168 hours of listing will be 15:48, 14 October 2011, so 00:01 14 October 2011 will be early, and 00:01 15 October 2011 will be on the late side. Flatscan (talk) 04:41, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
Sounds reasonable enough. Thanks for the tip. :) - The Bushranger One ping only 04:43, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

FYI

Placer Racer's put a disruptive comment on his talk page, I've reverted. HurricaneFan25 23:47, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

De Havilland Gipsy Queen

BR, there's an IP-hopping user insisting on adding non-consensual notes to De Havilland Gipsy Queen. WOuld you consider a week semi-protect to encourage his discussing the matter? Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 17:49, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Looking at the article history, it seems he did it back in March, too. Semi-protected for two weeks. (And Sign In To Edit can't come soon enough...) - The Bushranger One ping only 18:01, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
Thanks much! - BilCat (talk) 18:09, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

MfD closes

Please note my correction here. Cunard (talk) 23:22, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Ah, thanks. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:23, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

The General of Bananas

Revoke talk page access of Mr. Banana please! HurricaneFan25 00:14, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

The bananaphone has rung for the last time. - The Bushranger One ping only 00:37, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Hello

I represent a small band of fellows from every walk of life. Our mission is to ban Shakinglord from Wikipedia. It is obvious he is a threat, he randomly tags articles to be deleted and reverts many helpful edits. Will you join us? Clay Trojan (talk) 00:29, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

I think we have a troll on hand here. Calabe1992 (talk) 00:36, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
Indeed. *reaches into adventuring kit, produces bottle of Trollbane* - The Bushranger One ping only 00:38, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
A clay trojan? Eww, than must be quite painful for both partners. ;) - BilCat (talk) 11:38, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Interview with Wikimedia Foundation

Hello Bushranger, I hope you're well. My name is Aaron and I'm one of the Storytellers working on the 2011 fundraiser here at the Wikimedia Foundation. For this year's campaign we're seeking out and interviewing active Wikipedians like yourself, in order to produce a broader and more representative range of "personal appeals" to run come November. If you'd like to participate in this project, please email me at amuszalski@wikimedia.org. Interviews are typically conducted by phone or Skype and take between 30-90 minutes. Thanks! Aaron (WMF) (talk) 04:08, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Wow, thanks for the offer, but I'm not really up to being interviewed, I think. I'll let you know if that changes, though! - The Bushranger One ping only 05:24, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Can you review a FAC?

Hi Bushranger, as a Wikipedia who has an intimate knowledge of aviation, and thus can judge whether the article involved is worthy of FA-status or not, can you please have a look at a FAC that is stalling quite badly? The article is McDonnell Douglas AV-8B Harrier II, and the FAC can be found here. Please do not think what I'm doing here is canvassing (!), because Ucucha, one of the FAC delegates, says that I can ask some specific people like you to comment on the article, to get the ball rolling again. Can you do me a favour and either "Support" or "Oppose" the article? The FAC doesn't have any objections at the moment, but I hate to see FACs go down because of a lack of interest instead of the articles being non-FA worthy. Cheers! ;) Sp33dyphil © • © 04:57, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

I'll have a look at it in the morning. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Bushranger (talk • contribs)
Thanks a lot, I'm looking forward to your sharing of thoughts. Sp33dyphil © • © 06:42, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

"Oh, you mean THIS gate key."

I didn't want to comment on the AN/I, but I loved the edit summary! Doc talk 07:49, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

No matter how acrimonious the dispute, I always try to look on The Far Side...I mean the bright side! - The Bushranger One ping only 07:53, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Unterheiligenstadt Parish Church

Hi! I'm not familiar withe the deletion practice at the english wikipedia, but the delted church underlies monument protection by austrian law (see: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_denkmalgesch%C3%BCtzten_Objekte_in_Wien/D%C3%B6bling). If would recommend to restore the article and I also offer to rework the article. Regards, --Geiserich77 (talk) 09:50, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

I've restored the page as a draft/sandbox in your userspace here. Good luck! - The Bushranger One ping only 16:58, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Natib Qadish

Hi, would you please userfy? I am presently reviewing Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2011 October 20#Natib Qadish (Neopagan religion) and I would like to see if anything is mergeable. Best, Bridgeplayer (talk) 00:01, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Consider it done! - The Bushranger One ping only 00:09, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
Thanks! :-) Bridgeplayer (talk) 00:43, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

for the Electrical burn. I see there's a {{Db-move}} template too. I'll use that in the future. Have mörser, will travel (talk) 03:42, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

No prob, glad to help! - The Bushranger One ping only 03:44, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Coconut Creek

Someone found sources. You might want to revisit the The Promenade at Coconut Creek AFD. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 19:55, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Category:Military equipment of the War in Afghanistan (2001-present)

Don't you think one of the longest wars in United States History deserves an equipment category? Some of the equipment used is purpose-built for Afghanistan which has the hardest geography besides Antarctica to fight in. Also I think I created Category:Tanks of the War in Afghanistan (2001-present) but I didn't get a deletion notice. Marcus Qwertyus 17:37, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, don't know why Twinkle didn't notify. As for why, I'd say it doesn't need one, because it's not defining for the equipment. And also the same equipment is also used in Iraq and Libya... I proposed Equipment of the Global War on Terror, but that didn't catch on. - The Bushranger One ping only 20:04, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
The equipment of World War II was even more utilitarian being designed for the operating environments of both the Pacific and European theaters. We still have a Category:Military equipment of World War II. Here's an article: [3] Marcus Qwertyus 21:08, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

civil comments

Hi - At ANI in this edit you seem to be accusing me of uncivil comments - please post the diffs so I can discuss - Off2riorob (talk) 00:15, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

false portrayal

Hi - please do not falsely portray my position again - thanks - Off2riorob (talk) 02:19, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

No such portrayal was made by myself; regardless of their validity, refactoring other peoples' statements at AN/I is a serious matter. - The Bushranger One ping only 04:06, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Verification needed

  • Hello TB, can I trouble you to take a look at this? FWIW, I'm leaning towards disputing the citation as there is no source quoted in the publication itself. What do you think? --Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 12:59, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
  • Hmm, that citation might not be good, but it seems at a quick glance (all I have time for, alas, dang alarm clocks malfunctioning) that Latvia might indeed operate the missile. Possible, if not necessarily reliable?, clue at [4]. - The Bushranger One ping only 17:25, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Ping re AN/I

Hi. I expect you would have noticed anyway, but just a quick mention here to inform you that I've said at AN/I that I'm aware of nothing in your contribution history that makes you "mildly involved", as you put it, in the dispute between an IP and user Mystylplx over Nader-related articles. I also explicitly requested there that you go ahead and resolve that dispute. No reply necessary or expected here - I'm trying to winnow my watchlist to managable length - although you may wish to respond at AN/I itself. Cheers,  – OhioStandard (talk) 22:16, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

IP user has been harassing for months (your closure)

Thanks for all your efforts on this topic, your closure, and the detailed explanation as to what you did and why. Appreciated. Best.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:14, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. - The Bushranger One ping only 04:08, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject NASCAR Newsletter (October 2011)

Delivered by MessageDeliveryBot on behalf of WikiProject NASCAR at 02:49, 25 October 2011 (UTC).

Tuman

Sorry, it was pointed out to me that I had mistransliterated the name of this craft, so I changed it from "Tumen" to "Tuman", and while doing this I changed it to from Soviet patrol boat Tumen to Tuman (Soviet patrol boat), thinking I had given it the former name myself and not realizing that you had moved it to that name.

This seems odd to me. I know that we generally name articles "Name (what it is)", right? We don't have articles named "Motion picture Field of Dreams" and "Third baseman Joe Smith" and so forth. And this makes the article easier to find using the search box. Is there some arcane rule overriding this for ships? Herostratus (talk) 03:57, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

There is - the WP:NC-SHIPS has the following to say: For ships of navies or nations that don't have a standard ship prefix, name the article (Nationality) (type) (Name), giving Russian aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov as an example. Don't sweat it though, it's not really a big deal. :) - The Bushranger One ping only 04:07, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

Hi The Bushranger! I hope you enjoy this home-made cookie of mine as a warm greeting from a fellow Wikipedian. Sp33dyphil © • © 06:39, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
Mmm, cookies! *omnomnom* Thanks! - The Bushranger One ping only 06:41, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Grant Enfinger

Materialscientist (talk) 12:03, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Baade 152

Hello,

I clarified "it never entered service" because claiming it was the first German jet airliner implies it actually carried passengers. Feel free to clarify something I've missed, I'll watch this section.

Thank you. Yosef1987 (talk) 09:13, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Fair enough; the bit about it being just the first design implied though (to me at least) that it didn't fly. I've changed the wording in the lede to clarify that it didn't enter service - how does it look? - The Bushranger One ping only 15:36, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
Looks good thanks. Yosef1987 (talk) 01:39, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
No prob! :) - The Bushranger One ping only 01:40, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Wikileaks

Can you quote me the WP policy that says WL is not a reliable source ? I'm using it all over the place; I think Cablegate at least is pretty solid. Buckshot06 (talk) 20:20, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

  • This says that it's a reliable primary source on itself, but shouldn't be relied on to be accurate otherwise. I've seen it discussed elsewhere in the past but I can't recall where at the moment. - The Bushranger One ping only 22:51, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
  • It's also discussed here: We should almost never source material to a document on wikileaks unless the leak itself is the subject of the article.. - The Bushranger One ping only 22:54, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Admin Request

BR, could look into semi-protecting Continental Motors, Inc.? See Talk:Continental Motors, Inc.#Talk:Continental Motors, Inc. for the discussion on the problem IP edits. Thanks for whatever you can do. - BilCat (talk) 07:09, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

 Done - semi-protected for a week. - The Bushranger One ping only 07:30, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, as always.- BilCat (talk) 07:33, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
Glad to help. Now it's time for sleep before I start developing a taste for braaaaaaaaaaaaains... - The Bushranger One ping only 07:44, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

F1 2013

Thanks - I'm in. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 07:26, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Glad to help. Good times for US F1 fans! - The Bushranger One ping only 07:44, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Boogedy Boogedy Boogedy

Thanks! UltraExactZZ Said ~ Did 12:46, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

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AV-8B

I think you misunderstood SandyGeorgia. It wasn't a request to add citations to "see also" at all. It was an assertion that the section shouldn't be used to list comparable aircraft, because nowhere in the article is it explained what makes them comparable. Your assertion that readers have a clue was off-putting; I consider myself clueful yet I hadn't the foggiest idea what it was intended to mean. Had the discussion continued I would have weighed in to express that. SandyGeorgia was, in my opinion, expecting far too much in terms of acronym usage, but I considered her point about the use of the "see also" section a good one.--~TPW 15:24, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

My apologies if it was off-putting; it wasn't intended that way at all. Given that she had attached {{cn}} tags to all the entries in a couple of "See Also" sections in aircraft articles the previous night, was my reasioning behind believing she had a desire to have them cited. The way I see it is that, although there is nothing in the article itself that says how they are comparable, reading the articles listed as comparable will indicate how they're comparable, aside from just being "similar" - I'm used to seeing "similar aircraft" on-Wiki and off, perhaps, and sometimes I find it hard to see things from the perspective of somebody not as knowledgable on the subject, I have to admit. - The Bushranger One ping only 16:56, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
Well I certainly wasn't seeing the bigger editing picture. I agree with you that citations in a "see only" section wouldn't be right . . . I'd even call it bizarre. My interpretation may be off, and perhaps there's only a small number of readers who don't know enough aviation to understand, but think to ask the question anyway. I think it's worth reconsidering by the WikiProject, though, since at least one of those people is legitimately confused.--~TPW 17:12, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Eden Unger Bowditch

Hello,

I recently had a Wikipedia page devoted to author Eden Bowditch, but it was deleted. I have found and been sent numerous amounts of citations I will add to the new page for Eden. All of them, as before, are strictly matter of factual. I was wondering if you would be able to provide me with some information regarding how to keep a Wikipedia article from being deleted. Basically, I have read over the terms of deletion and notability and would like to know how to go about giving an author the merit that is needed to keep a page up. Do I need more citations, or does the number of citations not matter compared to the validity and strength of each? Also, if I am referencing something do I need to mention the reference in the text and then cite it, or can I just put citations in at the bottom that weren't mentioned in the body of the text? Just in case people are interested in the link even though I didn't speak about it specifically beforehand. It would just be more additional info. Any help and/or specific examples or instructions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks a lot for your time.

-Justin Scruggs — Preceding unsigned comment added by JustinScruggs (talk • contribs) 18:34, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi there. :) Unfortunatly, just being "matter of factual" isn't sufficent for an article to be kept. What matters is not "the truth", but rather that the facts presented in an article are verifiable, using reliable sources, and establish that the subject is notable - the last of which was the primary issue that led to the article's being deleted. In order for an article about her to be kept, it needs to be established that she has been widely covered as an author of note, basically. As for the citations, you should read over Wikipedia:Citing sources - that explains everything you need to know. Good luck! - The Bushranger One ping only 18:40, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

"Phil-spammer"

User:112.205.236.183 appears to be a chronic "phil-spammer", ie one who repeatedly adds false info on the military of the Philippines to various, generally aircraft, articles. There may be more than one person doing this, or it may just be the same person using dynamic IPs. I don't think anything will be lost to WP by a block on this IP. Also, we have had similar "mexi-spammers" also, such as adding huge orders for the Mexican air force for the Eurocopter Tiger, more than all others combined. Facepalm Facepalm - BilCat (talk) 20:44, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

I've noticed that the Philippines seems to attract this sort of thing, I have no idea why. (At least they aren't as bad as the China vs India "mine's bigger" fighte matches!). If he pops up one more time, lemme know and we'll nail him. - The Bushranger One ping only 04:09, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
  • Hum, I guess I've missed the India-China stuff. I've seen India vs Pakistan though. -Fnlayson (talk) 04:39, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
  • The HAL Tejas page was a target late last year. And it's worth noting that the J-10 and J-20 - the two most advanced fighters - are the only Chinese aircraft articles that include both spelling out of the J- designation (akin to saying "the F-16 (Fighter-16)") and the English translation...which means they have a big bold Annihilator-10 and Annihilator-20 at the top of the pages...! - The Bushranger One ping only 04:41, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
I don't know if we'll have time to combat the uncited stuff in the main text anymore, seeing we may have to spend all our time citing that most import section of an article - the "See also" section! Facepalm Facepalm - BilCat (talk) 05:54, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
Given that Sandy's (for that is who it is) latest project runs afoul of WP:SEEALSO, I'm not too worried. - The Bushranger One ping only 05:56, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
As to the Annihilator-10 stuff, there sould be a better solution for describing what hte Chinese designations mean, such as linking to an article on Chines military designations. Do we even have one? - BilCat (talk) 05:59, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
I don't think we do. We should. - The Bushranger One ping only 06:01, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
  • Kind of like the NATO reporting name? TBH, I'm not against it but I can't see how that will work especially when the mainland Chinese are adamant about naming their aircraft type according to their whim... IMO, more confusion might arise because of what we are proposing here but that's just me. On another note, PH-related articles has long been the subject of these silly hoax, factual errors and vandals, just ask Nick-D! Lastly, India and Pakistan had sunk to new low as of late on Wikipedia (see this removal of sourced info by an Indian X-ray man!), for those who had watched my page they'll know what I meant. All contributing to my headache, literally. --Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 05:02, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
Sorry about the headaches, I've had a few bad ones this week myself, though today way a bit better. As to the Chinese names, we're primarily talking about the designations, such as J-5, J-10, H-5, ect. They do have a consistant meanign as far as I can tell, though, as with most things language related, some of the desingation titles may be oper to interpretation. I have some older sources that I remeber havign such information that I can cite, assumming that I can find the books. Designationsystems.net also has info on the system, and though it might not meet WP:RS completely, Andreas is pretty thorough in his research, and usually cites his sources too. He's also beign cited now in some published aviation books, so that should lend to his credibility. I think we could put together something that would work quite well. - BilCat (talk) 07:04, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
I've used D-S for a lot of missile pages with no problems (unlike Baugher... ;) ), so this sounds like a cunning plan, m'lud. - The Bushranger One ping only 07:10, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

He's back! Could put him out of our misery? Thansk! - BilCat (talk) 04:45, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Misery put out for two weeks. - The Bushranger One ping only 04:50, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

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Naming convention for racing drivers

I notice that you renamed Butch Hartman (racer) to Butch Hartman (racing driver). As far as I know, there is no standard naming convention for disambiguous drivers of race cars. Instead of making controversial moves like this, how about you start a thread at WP:MOTOR for a naming convention? This topic should have been decided years ago but it hasn't. Please include motorcycle drivers (who are normally known as riders as far as I heard). The motorsports WikiProjects will need to be notified. Let's get rid of (NASCAR) for sure since that name clearly isn't appropriate per Wikipedia:NAMEPEOPLE#Disambiguating. For the reason to do this discussion, I point out that Category:NASCAR drivers is a huge mess. Royalbroil 13:29, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

I noticed that (racing driver) seemed to be the most-used name, so I didn't realise it'd be controversial - sorry! I'll see if I can get a naming thread up at some point over the rest of the weekend. - The Bushranger One ping only 22:37, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
Created a discussion here. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:11, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Admin request 2

BR, here another problem user to take a look at: User:Marksanta123 and several dynamic IPs have been readding the same POV info to Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim since at least July 2011. Per User talk:Marksanta123#Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, he has been asked not to do this on several occcasions by several editors, tho if hasn't been discussed on the article's talk page to this point. Could you look into this when you're able to, and take action or recommend other options for us? Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 03:55, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Ugh, looks like "fun". ;) I'll see what I can do. - The Bushranger One ping only 04:20, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
Thanks again. Sorry if this whets your appetite for brains, though the user may prove to be a disappointment in that regard. ;) - BilCat (talk) 04:27, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
Would this be enough for a semi-p of the article for a week or 2? - BilCat (talk) 04:47, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
Not sure - but he's been socking, so I'm going to open a SPI. - The Bushranger One ping only 04:51, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
Open says me. - The Bushranger One ping only 05:01, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
Thanks again. - BilCat (talk) 05:11, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
The giant duck has quacked, and he's indef'd. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:19, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
Good, we can now revert his socks on sight without fear of 3RR, so thanks much! - BilCat (talk) 03:28, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
No prob. - The Bushranger One ping only 03:35, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Natib Qadish

Why did you delete the page "Natib Qadish"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Apollodorosh (talk • contribs) 14:00, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Because the consensus of the Wikipedia community was that the article should be deleted. - The Bushranger One ping only 22:01, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Radio Disney Jams, Vol. 4

Apparently you didn’t read the talk page…

As I mentioned in its talk page, why does Radio Disney Jams, Vol. 4 always get deleted? The other volumes are similar in content and they never get deleted. Why this one? The main cause of deletion is that it doesn’t meet WP:MUSIC. I recreated the article and made sure it met WP:MUSIC and it still got deleted. How do I make it so it doesn’t get deleted again in the future?

Mathwiz593 (talk) 15:49, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Regardless of other stuff existing, the article as it was remade was essentially unchanged from the version that was deleted in its AfD. In order to show that the album meets WP:MUSIC and doesn't get G4'd in the future, you need to provide references that are not the maker of the album - i.e., while the Disney site verifies the track listing, it doesn't (and cannot) prove that the album is notable - for that, you need reviews from independent, reliable sources. - The Bushranger One ping only 22:00, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Request for independent admin review

I was wondering if you would mind having a read though the discussion at Talk:LibreOffice#Order_of_operating_systems_listed_in_infobox. Personally I have never seen anything like it on Wikipedia and I wanted a neutral, uninvolved admin to look it over. If you think admonishments are advised then I would be happy to see them, whether aimed at me or anyone else involved. - Ahunt (talk) 17:04, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Commented there. Reccomend deep breaths on everyone's part! - The Bushranger One ping only 22:10, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for looking at that. - Ahunt (talk) 10:58, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Because your decision to bring this concept Wikipedia:DANNO to someone's attention brings me joy.

Crypticfirefly (talk) 03:57, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. :) *pets the kitteh!* - The Bushranger One ping only 04:02, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
Very good essay! It's definetly a problem. I've seen articles AFDde 30 seconds after they were created, and the articles usually proved to be notable. This happens alot to AIRCRASH articles, especially with new incidents. It not quite as bad now that MickMacNee is banned. :) - BilCat (talk) 04:39, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
Heh - I did notice he finally wore out his welcome! - The Bushranger One ping only 04:41, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Why

But what have i doing, i have not doing disruptive editing in Wikipedia. I just creates pages.--Uishaki (talk) 16:56, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

You removed an AfD template from an article, one that you created. That's a no-no, I'm afraid. - The Bushranger One ping only 17:42, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Indefinite block review: Colofac

Thank you for assessing the consensus at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Indefinite block review: Colofac. As the closing admin would you do the following:

  1. List Colofac (talk · contribs) at Wikipedia:List of banned users and include a permanent link to the discussion.
  2. Tag User:Colofac and User talk:Colofac with:

    {{Banned user | link = [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&oldid=457929990#Indefinite_block_review:_Colofac ban discussion at WP:ANI] | time = indef | by = [[WP:CBAN|the Wikipedia community]] }}

I am basing these actions on the taggings of User:TreasuryTag and User talk:TreasuryTag. Best, Cunard (talk) 05:57, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for letting me know about the process, it's the first time I've been involved in the ban process since accepting the mop. Sorry to see an editor go, but glad to be able to help defend Wikipedia. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:52, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Marvel Animated Universe

Template:Marvel Animated Universe has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. --ProfessorKilroy (talk) 08:28, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

A question

I have some questions based on the claims of one of the editors on RSN discussion. the topic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Pakdef.info has only received one neutral comment (i.e. from your side), neither is it marked as Closed.

  1. Is it correct to consider the discussion as closed ? If yes then we neeed clear verdict of what to do and what not do. as I see a lot of grey areas which leads to Many future disputes. if its not closed yet then i think its correct to discuss it furthur.
  2. ) in the subsequent comments i am being blamed of Forum shopping there when the RSN board at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Pakdef.info is the only place where the topic is being discussed , i have not raised this dispute on any other site. I have raise some valid points that i feel are genuine and hence i have posted them, Please clarify if my actions fall in the category of Forum shopping as claimed.
  3. ) i hope asking these 2 questions are not Canvassing or foruumshopping etc. if it is please clarify, it would be good for me.

I will be very thankful to you with your help and these 3 answers--ÐℬigXЯaɣ 19:24, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

I'll be honest, I have no idea how it should be closed - I don't hang around RSN too much. I dont' see how it would be forum shopping if you've only posted there though. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:48, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply, it was imp to get a clarification, as there had been desperate attempts to deviate and mislead the discussion as i was posting points on the RSN discussion. --ÐℬigXЯaɣ 15:07, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Head's up

I just wanted to let you know that an editor has been discussing an edit you made and lobbying for someone to undo it and, apparently, to back them in a crusade against Tarc here.[5] Just thought you would like to be aware of it. Have a good day! Trusilver 20:37, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:48, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David A. Marshall (2nd nomination)

Hi! I was wondering if you would be willing to reconsider your !vote in the above AfD. I think the normal protocol with cases like this is that it would be redirected to the page for the election and not outright deleted, and it would be a shame if no consensus was found even if that was the best option. Thanks!--Yaksar (let's chat) 05:04, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Yaksar on this issue, although this particular article will soon be a moot point as the election in question will soon be over. The article is a POV campaign brochure not a Wikipedia biography, in my opinion. Coverage of otherwise non-notable political candidates should be in NPOV articles about the entire race, offering balanced coverage to all candidates. We ought to prepare now for the 2012 onslaught. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 05:33, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Happy Halloween!

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If Trick-or-treaters come your way, add {{subst:Halloween apples}} to their talkpage with a spoooooky message!

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Mmmm, delicious! ;) Thanks! - The Bushranger One ping only 06:00, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

You want more? I've got heaps heaps more caramel and candy apples that I've stored up for today --Sp33dyphil © • © 06:05, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) He'll be like a Bengal cat chowing down! Doc talk 06:12, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, but I need to watch my Wikiweight! ;) - The Bushranger One ping only 06:21, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
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