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Let me know what you think of my rewording for the thoughts I had for the Chinese MoS ([1]) Thanks Geographyinitiative (talk) 04:28, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

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Who operates the Wikipe-tan twitter account?

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• https://twitter.com/Wikipetan

I like Wikipe-tan and I would like to keep this character in Wikimedia community control. I think there is new and recent interest in a character face of Wikipedia.

Is this you? The twitter account has no activity since 2011. I am writing to seek the owner to ask for the account to use for Wikimedia community shared control through an organization.

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@Bluerasberry: This is not me and I don't have a Twitter account anywhere. Judging by the tweets, I would suspect it is someone from the Chinese Wikipedia, perhaps you can ask there. _dk (talk) 19:01, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion. Will post at Wikipe-tan talk page if I have news. Blue Rasberry (talk) 20:36, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Subterranean Animism edit

Hello. You undid my edit of the SA page, but I have some questions regarding the consistency of this. For one, the in-game text at the top left during a boss fight (Japanese version) displays the surname first in SA, so for example, Komeiji Satori. However, the page in question lists her as Satori Komeiji. I was simply correcting Rin's name to be consistent with these rules. In addition, surely if this page must spell the names Yugi and Kotiya as such, then the page I linked in my edit description should follow the same standard and use ZUN's romanization as the 'standard' and not the 'alternative' translation. I also notice that I missed a mistake on the SA page where Utsuho's surname is in one instance spelled Reiuzi and in another spelled Reiuji, in which case one must certainly be corrected. Just seeking clarification on these topics, thanks for reading. 2600:1702:640:4170:3473:773C:58EB:4C70 (talk) 00:47, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi, the question you bring up has to do with how Wikipedia treats romanization in anime-related articles, and has been discussed in the talk page of the list article here Talk:List_of_Touhou_Project_characters#Official_spellings_vs._common_usage. The guideline states that we should use whatever romanization is official, and in the absence of official translations we default to what ZUN used (either in-game or in the Omake.txt that comes with the games), Obviously now the situation is a bit different since there are official translations of Touhou manga but the games should still use the English names ZUN provided, but in Western order due to the guidelines for Japanese articles requiring so. The spelling in List of Touhou Project characters originally followed ZUN's but was changed last October by Goszei (talk · contribs) citing the "result of much debate on TH Wiki". I missed the change at the time and was surprised to see the list now being inconsistent, and I am unaware of the debate on Touhou Wiki or its relevance on Wikipedia consensus. Perhaps we should continue the discussion. _dk (talk) 02:26, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Appreciate the response and page edit. I'm certainly willing to accept the official romanizations being used for the page, especially after seeing that the other game pages do this as well. The character list page using the conventional Western spellings even makes some sense considering it's a listing of characters rather than being specific to one game, and as you mentioned, the manga also have official translations. Perhaps the topic will be raised again but I guess we'll see. Have a great day. 2600:1702:640:4170:3473:773C:58EB:4C70 (talk) 02:40, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Hong Kong 97

I feel that my edits on the Hong Kong 97 page were good and added some much needed pictures. So can you please leave it the way it is?Jackiechanbruceleekungfu (talk) 21:11, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

@Jackiechanbruceleekungfu: I feel that the pictures were unnecessary and screenshots of the game itself would be much more useful. So can you please add some more relevant images instead? _dk (talk) 21:42, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

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Wu

The Wu you deleted from my post to the surname page is not the one found in the group below, as you indicated. The one I posted was born in the 1800s and was a pioneer in epidemiology. Please restore the post I made. Placing it in the 'modern' section would be okay -- and it would show the distinction between him and the one I presume you think is the same person. Note the birth dates and the different WP pages for each. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 23:20, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

I found it -- sorry -- I will add a little to the post. Thanks again. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 23:31, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

No problem. Now I'm curious who you first thought I thought was the same person. _dk (talk) 05:30, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

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Cai Lun

Hi! I've seen you around on various Chinese history articles and was wondering if you might take a look at my article for Cai Lun. I'm having some trouble making sure that I'm explaining his role in the papermaking process correctly and I hoped someone who is familiar with Chinese history might be able to help. Any comments on this or on the article on general would be appreciated! (Maybe on the article's PR page) This being said, no pressure if you don't have the time to or are preoccupied! Best - Aza24 (talk) 03:58, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

@Aza24: Hi, I took a brief look at the article and I appreciate the effort you've put into it. Unfortunately I am not too familiar with the science side of Chinese history so I can't give much advice. Some things I notice was that some of the sources used are a bit on the old side and it may not be a good idea to use those for extraordinary claims. For example, the passage "modern Chinese culture especially celebrates Four Great Inventions of the ancient world – the compass, gunpowder, papermaking and printing – of which Cai Lun is credited with papermaking, and is therefore the only known creator of any of the 4" is sourced to Narita 1954 and is likely to be outdated after more than 60 years of sinology research into the origins of those inventions. Also, the concept of the "Four Great Inventions" can be traced to Joseph Needham's Science and Civilisation in China, which was first published in the same year 1954, which makes the passage a bit odd. A related issue stemming from the reliance of old sources was the use of Wade-Giles romanization instead of the newer Hanyu pinyin (eg. "Shensi" [old] instead of "Shaanxi" [new]), but I recognize that this is not easy to overcome. Cheers. _dk (talk) 06:27, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Underbar dk, I read your comment a bit ago but completely forgot to respond! Thank you for pointing out the 1954 publishing issue since Narita does state that in the book, I checked the year and it looks like it was published in 1966, which explains the discrepancy. However, I will do some more research for sourcing that claim. In terms of the sourcing in general, unfortunately there doesn't seem like an easy way out. Since I can't read Chinese I am forced to use English sources, of which Cai Lun has been tragically underrepresented. Other than Narita's biography most of the sources I did end up finding were either from tertiary encyclopedic sources (which I used sparingly) or from books on papermaking, which I mostly relied on,. What I'm most worried about is if I properly explained Cai Lun's place in papermaking history... I would reach out to Pericles of Athens about it but he seems to be mostly inactive, would you know anyone on Wiki that might be able to help? - Aza24 (talk) 00:05, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

@Aza24: It's a good idea to reach out to Pericles of Athens, I believe he still comes onto Wikipedia to patrol his articles and he will likely get back to you. _dk (talk) 00:39, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Great Wall of Qi

Hi, the sources mention assaults by Jin and Yue to a certain long wall or fortress, but it does not mean the wall was built to protect Qi from them. In fact no where the source does it concluded that this is the purpose of the wall. It only states the earliest mentioned of the Qi wall in texts. If you open a map you will see Jin is far away and would attack Qi facing the Yellow River, not to where the Qi walls are. Qi walls were built to protect it from the Dongyi states and later Chu state. This is like saying the Japanese attacked China at the Defense of the Great Wall, therefore the Great Wall was built to protect China from Japan. Sgnpkd (talk) 15:07, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Here are to some articles (if you can read Chinese, Google translate would work too)

• https://k.sina.com.cn/article_2116182794_p7e22630a02700l2j0.html?from=edu "齐长城，...是齐国为了防御楚国和鲁国而修建的。" (Qi Great Wall was built to protect itself from Lu and Chu)
• https://baike.baidu.com/item/%E9%BD%90%E9%95%BF%E5%9F%8E "……齐长城大规模续修的时间，其上限当断为楚灭莒的公元前431年。" (The size of wall increased when Chu destroyed Ju in 431 BC)

"齐国对东部地区的开发也逐渐消除了东方的敌对势力，把战略防御进攻重点转向南邻的鲁楚，西南的卫、晋、宋以及北邻的燕国。" "春秋时期燕国在经济军事力量上也弱于齐国，故而当时齐国的敌对势力主要在南邻的鲁国和西南方的晋、卫、宋诸国。" The source you mentioned also stated that since the natural barrier between Qi and Yan is the Yellow River, Qi would concentrate to build fortification to defense against Lu and Chu in the South. Sgnpkd (talk) 15:17, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

@Sgnpkd: Hi, Baidu Baike is not a reliable source since it is populated by user-generated content (like Wikipedia). My issue is with the 658 BC date which was debunked by Yuri Pines and summarized in the Dating section in the article. Pines on p. 748 explicitly states the walls were first erected after the attack by the Jin-Yue alliance. The sentence in question talks about why the walls were first built, and this is why. We can reword it so that we don't give the impression that the Walls of Qi were only to defend against Jin and Yue (their initial purpose), but also came to defend Qi against the states Lu and others. _dk (talk) 18:45, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, as you might already knew, there is very little academic source available online in Chinese on such areas. In my opinion, Baidu could be more reliable than Wiki as it is not easily editable, and most of the contents are from older Chinese encyclopedias which were written by scholars, but their works are difficult to find to be sourced (unless you have access to libraries and archives in China), which I wish I do. Most of the English sources, already rare, are quite niched on each subject and do not cover enough to answer general the questions. Sgnpkd (talk) 13:43, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

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Quick question:Should that redirect exist, I am not sure since I am not an expert in the subject. Otherwise request  Done. Cheers Megan☺️ ^{Talk to the monster} 19:10, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

@Synoman Barris: Thanks! I have redirected Great Wall during the pre-imperial period to History of the Great Wall of China#Pre-imperial China (7th century–221 BC) since that seems most relevant.　Cheers. _dk (talk) 21:46, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

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I've reverted your edit. IAR is not an excuse to make articles worse. I believe Underbar dk, along with myself, both think that this is obviously a non-constructive edit that uses unreliable sources - thus is not allowed by IAR itself. No amount of discussion will allow you to reinsert that sentence, unless you find reliable and independent sources detailing the matter. Chlod (say hi!) 10:34, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

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Hey! I see that you are working on the Ching Shih article. Want to coordinate and work on it together? Gaiushe (talk) 05:25, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

@Gaiushe:: Hi, I am only making cleanup edits to that article, so I am content with making edits after you are done with it. I would suggest not to change the traditional Chinese characters to simplified Chinese in cases where the original source has them in traditional Chinese. Keep up the good work. _dk (talk) 09:42, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

That is a good suggestion, will change the simplified back to traditional. Gaiushe (talk) 18:09, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

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Grand Preceptor: Content removed

Dear Underbar dk, My student Thabiso Molai has added a draft to the stub Grand Perceptor, but it has been removed by you. I was wondering if the draft had major problems.

Best, Amamo18Almamo18 (talk) 13:34, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

@Almamo18: First off, please don't treat a live Wikipedia article as a draft. Each version of a Wikipedia should be presentable to the general public or at least work towards that. Your student, as I have said on the Grand Preceptor article's talk page, kept trying to add content that is out-of-scope into that article. The article should not be a loose collection of biographies of people who held that post, instead, please focus the article on the position of the Grand Perceptor itself, including their duties, responsibilities, privileges. If individuals like the Duke of Zhou and Dong Zhuo were to be mentioned, focus on what the position meant for them and what changes they made to the Grand Perceptor position. Keep their personal legacies in their own articles. I hope this helps. _dk (talk) 17:07, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

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reliable sources

What prob do you having? You removing all my sources giving different excuses? Is it bcoz I removed ur work in another article? Or you don't want her info to be published? Japanese source are not the only source.. It has mentioned nippon as original source. And this source is from Taiwan and mention everything clearly of this survey. What's wrong with you? I wasn't interfering with you on another article. I'm atleast publishing a source that can be trusted.. All the three sources where they came from if they are fake? Arorapriyansh333 (talk) 19:34, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

@Arorapriyansh333: Nothing personal. I have provided my reasons in the edit summaries and all the sources you provided so far cannot be trusted per Wikipedia guidelines that I have listed. It's deeply unfortunate that you only came up with unreliable sources and apparently refuse to understand what passes as WP:reliable sources. Honestly, read this link on the left and make sure you understand it in full. _dk (talk) 19:52, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

And Chinese sources for Ching Shih passes the guidelines? You don't need international source to make your edit but asking other to give it? The sources I provided are as reliable as you given in ching shih. I didn't interfere to ur article there when you said you don't own work here.. And now you interefering on mine? Arorapriyansh333 (talk) 19:59, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Nobody owns any article on Wikipedia. You would do well to disabuse yourself of the notion of "my" article or "your" article. If you don't agree, Wikipedia editing is not for you. _dk (talk) 20:07, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Ok i apologize but I'm a regular contributor. You can add the source which you removed instead leaving it likewise. Arorapriyansh333 (talk) 05:00, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

I mean ur own source what u think is right. I know you are more experienced anyways. Arorapriyansh333 (talk) 05:01, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello i need your help. can i give this another source for the content i added previously that was removed by another user? Here is another one of my source. I'll mention pages where i have taken. https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-319-33750-0 Does this violate copyright? Enlighten me.

If you cite this with the page numbers and in your own words then it will not be a copyright violation. Also you would need to do better than slight rewording as WP:close paraphrasing would still violate copyright. _dk (talk) 08:44, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Ok thanks for your advice. Do I make some change in evaluation part? Arorapriyansh333 (talk) 09:25, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

can you clarify about this following source i found? Its from a japanese source.. will it be eligible to cite this source? http://www.u-canclub.jp/

At least it doesn't provide download links. It's not a copyright violation. _dk (talk) 17:36, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Ok thanks a lot Arorapriyansh333 (talk) 04:23, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello, i need your help.. can you confirm me some sources such as ent.sina, aparchive, read01, and sohu are reliable sources or not? Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arorapriyansh333 (talk • contribs) 14:48, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Also this one http://www.lifeweek.com.cn/2005/0513/11859.shtml.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arorapriyansh333 (talk • contribs) 14:49, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

@Arorapriyansh333: Without seeing what the actual sources are, those publications seem like reliable sources. _dk (talk) 23:25, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Ok thanks Arorapriyansh333 (talk) 03:59, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Defense of Beijing

Hi. I don't really do history articles. Especially ones that involve the military from the Ming Dynasty. So since I submitted this article in the AFC section, I would like to see from your perspective in how we can improve this so we can increase the chance of getting this approved asap (basically not having to redo it again). Thanks

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@Imcdc: Hi, I am not very familiar with the AfC process so the advice I am going to give may not be directly relevant to whether your draft can get approved or approved faster. Generally, the content itself seems acceptable to be published to article space; however, reviewers are likely going to focus on sourcing. Currently, the draft has 4 sources (which is okay), but no page numbers are given which makes verification difficult. Specifically:

• For the Cambridge History of China citation, I would name the chapter in addition to the page numbers.
• The Perilous Frontier is a good source, it only needs page numbers.
• The "History of Yesterday" reference is hosted on Medium, which is listed as "generally unreliable" on the list of WP:perennial sources (WP:MEDIUM). I notice that this article does not name its sources as well. Since the draft relies on this source quite heavily, the draft could be rejected because of this. Consider replacing this source.
• The Chinese source is a general interest tertiary source, which isn't as great as a source for Wikipedia, but this alone is unlikely to cause the draft to be rejected.

Hope this helps. _dk (talk) 06:47, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

@Underbar dk: Hi. I finally got my article approved. That said, I welcome any additional items to this articles since I'm pretty new to these topics. Any additions are greatly appreciated.Thanks -Imcdc (talk) 13:34, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

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nominating Wei Yan for GA

Hello underbar, recently in intend to nominate Wei Yan page. but last time i nominate, it failed to pass since there's lack inline citation and messy structure

recently ive some massive overhauls to meet the qualification, while i revamped for more simpler & more commonly used format of sections structure in Wikipedia. so maybe i need ur advice for current version of the page, do you think it's adequate enough to nominate as Good Article? Ahendra (talk) 09:16, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

@Ahendra:I honestly don't have a lot of time these days for Wikipedia, so I can't really give you a in-depth review of the article. I had a quick skim of the sources, and they seem to be fine for the most part, but I implore you to replace all Zhihu links. That is not a reliable source. Reviewers may also take issue with the abundance of untranslated Chinese sources. It is fine to use Chinese sources, but the metadata (title, authors, name of the journal, publisher, etc) should be given in English as well. _dk (talk) 11:40, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

sure, thank you for the input regarding Zhihu links. fortunately i didnt find some Zhihu links, its just the primary text from Chen shou which i need to replace with the english ones. cheers.. Ahendra (talk) 11:49, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

@Ahendra: Mai Yifeng, Dai (2021) "奇葩歷史 魏延簡傳， 魏延之子". is a Zhihu source. _dk (talk) 17:31, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

great, thx for info, gonna remove it.Ahendra (talk) 17:32, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

just last question about the 'double gate' link, is this link reliable? im planning to remove Zhihu link about "double gates" topic, and using this link source instead, since it seems its published by Liaoning university. however, if u think its not safe to use then i'll remove the entire line instead.Ahendra (talk) 17:56, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

@Ahendra: This one looks fine. _dk (talk) 18:08, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

ok thx, gotta save this resource for tomorrow.Ahendra (talk) 18:09, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

map

hello underbar... i've been told this map were full of errors. shall i remove the map which found from certain pages? Ahendra (talk) 03:01, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

@Ahendra: Go ahead! You don't need my blessing to do what you think is right. Be bold! (within reason) :) _dk (talk) 09:38, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Major contributions to chinese history especially three kingdoms and ming dynasty

It's a great help, he wrote about it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ngancheekean (talk • contribs) 09:46, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@Ngancheekean: 兄弟, 您還是講中文吧. _dk (talk) 08:10, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Thats very eye opening. Ngancheekean (talk) 18:15, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

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Yeah already not using it anymore

Letting you know that I am not using machine translation anymore and have not since February. Sorry for the issues. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 03:30, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

I'm glad to hear it. _dk (talk) 04:04, 12 December 2023 (UTC)