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DYK for Jonas Åkerlund (politician)

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Searching a Tip-of-the-day

Hey, y'all. What is the best way to search the Tip of the day library for a string of text? (The Transhumanist—JoeHebda) Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 13:47, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

@Checkingfax: Like this:

I hope this helps. The Transhumanist 14:10, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

@The Transhumanist and JoeHebda:. Facepalm. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 07:21, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Collaboration

Thanks for your work to expand the current TAFI collaboration. It's fine to copy content from other articles, and thank for providing copy attribution as you have been doing. Just a note that copied content does not qualify as article expansion for WP:DYK purposes. So, if you're interested in the article becoming a main page DYK entry, content has to be written in one's own words. Just pointing this out, and carry on. Cheers, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:40, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Northamerica1000, Roger that. I thought I would throw up an armature to build off of then we can discard most of the armature. I won't copy anything meaty Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 01:49, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for taking my note into consideration. Cheers, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 14:44, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Humanism

Checkingfax, I just spent some time making copy-edits to Humanism, but there were a few places where I had a hard time figuring out where the initial and ending blockquote templates belonged. If you look at the article in regular view, there seems to be a lot of space between two blockquotes and the surrounding text about a quarter of the way through the article, near two images. Also, I forget what you recommend for a plain unspaced en-dash. Corinne (talk) 16:05, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Corinne. Those blockquotes were difficult to interpret because some were nested (purposefully) into references. I have not see that before so I was initially befuddled. Also, in at least one place the closing 'blockquote' tag was on the wrong side of the closing 'ref' tag (it was not properly 'nested').

I put some line breaks before and after the normal blockquotes (the blockquotes not nested within ref tags). These extra line breaks will not render to our readers‍—‌extra line breaks only render if you go beyond one extra. I added these line breaks merely as an editor's convenience. The extra line breaks are especially helpful for editors with low-vision or motor-skill issues.

I also removed all the hardcoded image sizes that were in the range of 200px as this can be a MOS:ACCESSIBILITY issue. I left the image sizing intact that was down at around 50px since that was a logo.

To shrink the spacing between the two blockquotes I tried using the 'poem' tag. Tell me what you think. You can add another line break between the two 'poem' tags if you think it needs another line break.

I also thought that maybe removing the hardcoding of the image sizes from the image tags would help blockquoted text wrap around the images better but it did not seem to help.

For unspaced ndash you can use {{ndash}} or its alias {{nsndns}} (they go to the same root template).

Here is a Diff for the last set of edits I performed. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 00:30, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Oh, dear, I guess I might have moved one of the end-blockquote templates to inside a ref. I didn't realize blockquotes could be within the ref. Does that mean the quote is in a reference at the bottom of the page rather than in the main part of the article? It was all quite confusing. I'm glad you have sorted it out. I'll take a look at the article now. Corinne (talk) 01:37, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

At screen resolution 100% and 110% the images look fine, and I don't see unnecessary white space. At 150% I do see white space, but that's all right. I notice that in the notes section, there is a lot of space right after the number of the note and before the beginning of the blockquote for #7 and #62 (again, I'm looking at this at 150% resolution). Can that be reduced a bit? Corinne (talk) 01:42, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Corinne. I think you added closing blockquote tags in the middle of some blockquotes which would then segment those blockquotes. I think you added a blockquote opening tag too that would also create a blockquote segment.

It looks like the original intent was to have some blockquotes as part of a reference (nested inside the reference tag) and most of the blockquotes were intended to be standalone like we are used to, or have the references outside of the blockquote or hanging on the text portion of the blockquote inside the closing blockquote tag.

I put an {{in use}} template on the page and I will dig in and sort them out.

I will also try to figure out why those notes drop down so far below the footnote number. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 03:37, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

I just remembered something. I think I changed one "BCE" to "BC" because I had already seen a "BC", and saved it. Then I saw more "BCE's", so I didn't change it anymore. Can you figure out which era style was used first and then make them consistent, or, if you don't want to or don't have time, if you'll let me know then I can do that. Corinne (talk) 05:03, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Corinne. The Humanism article was created as a single sentence by Ed Poor on November 30, 2001. That single sentence was smoothed in by Graham87 in an edit from nost: on June 4, 2010 to the version of the article existing in 2010. The 2001 version contains no dates. The 2010 version uses BCE throughout. Since it is a secular article, BCE is probably the way to go. BTW, Graham87 uses the JAWS screen reader to read and edit Wikipedia! Nost: is the 2001 version of Wikipedia that is now locked down to further editing. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 05:47, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I imported the first edit to the page, but don't let the prev/next edit links in this case fool you ... they go to the wrong place due to an irregularity in the database. Graham87 09:25, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Carina Jaarnek

— Coffee // have a cup // beans // 12:01, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

<!--NAME-->

Hi, can you tell me the propper NAME for this. I can't describe it if I use english related wikis. --Tschips (talk) 12:49, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Tschips. I call it an

edit note

Is that what you were asking?

Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 01:38, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

Hey, thanks, may be an example: sometimes there are wrong links in an article. I mostly do not delete them but try to make them invisible to the regular user by using <!--xxx--> which means I have to describe it in the comment line. So how would you describe that? --Tschips (talk) 04:30, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Tschips. Are you asking how you should describe such an edit in the edit summary box? Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 11:22, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

Hey, and - yes, I'd like to describe it so that other users can see that I didn't delete but "inactivate" the information. --Tschips (talk) 17:37, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Tschips. How about:

<!-- <ref>http://www.badreference.com/folder</ref> - citation purposefully rem'd out for being dated, irrelevant, misplaced, or of poor quality -->

Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 04:19, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I would say "Rem'd" ( = Removed) rather than "Rem'd out" ( = Removed out), unless that is a commonly used phrase (i.e., wiki-jargon) among WP editors. Corinne (talk) 17:19, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Corinne. Yes it is web jargon for "remarked out". Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 17:27, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

@Corinne Thanks for discussing!

@Checkingfax: That's what I was looking for!! Greets --Tschips (talk) 18:12, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

What does "remarked out" mean? Corinne (talk) 18:17, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Corinne. When you put in a line of code you do not want to show up you can make the code line a remark line. Rem for short. In fact, one system uses the word 'rem' to start a remark line so that line of code does not show up. Another name for it is 'comment'. On Wikipedia we call it an 'edit note'. So you could say "I remmed out the line" or "I commented out the line" or "I remarked out the line" or "I hid the line in an edit note". I just used rem'd as a contraction of remarked and as a slight expansion of rem. Jargon. Yep. In JavaScript to create a rem line you use // and if you want to create a rem section you use /* */ and put your remarks section between the two asterisks. In other systems you start a line with a semi-colon and that makes it a rem line. I think in VisualEditor if you hover on a circle with an exclamation point in it that you can read edit notes just by mouse hovering. Remarked out is simply shorthand for a much longer explanation of what you're accomplishing. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 02:52, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

BRD

Your revert of my edit violates BRD: the appropriate thing to do was to start a discussion on the talk page, not to re-revert. I currently have access only to mobile, so making a proper talk-page discussion is hard and will have to wait until later. --JBL (talk) 14:44, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Joel B. Lewis. I reverted. I did not re-revert. You are at 1RR. I let your previous revert go. This time I did not. In both cases you edited nothing, but you could have. The article needs more background and info on Cecile Richards. It also needs more info on Planned Parenthood Global. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 14:57, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

I repeat my comment here, edited to suit your wording preferences:

"Your revert of my revert violates BRD: the appropriate thing to do was to start a discussion on the talk page, not to restore your edit."

Your response here is totally unresponsive to the obviously correct point I was making. Also, obviously, I cannot rewrite your edit because of 1-RR. Please revert yourself. And I will shortly begin a discussion on the talk page, as I promised earlier (but which you should have done yourself). --JBL (talk) 15:54, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Also, Roscelese is completely and obviously correct about your most recent edit on Planned Parenthood. --JBL (talk) 15:56, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Joel B. Lewis. Please show me a Diff that makes it clear that it is safe to keep that section in place. The drop dead date is January 27, 2015. Cheers! PS: You two really need to leave the snark out of your edit summaries. It is so boorish. {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 16:06, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

No, boorish is violating BRD and then repeatedly refusing to address it. What an ass. --JBL (talk) 16:08, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Also "show me the diff" christ why didn't you check yourself before blanking a lot of text? It took me two minutes: [1]. You're welcome. I await with bated breath your apologies for your BRD violations and disruptive editing. --JBL (talk) 16:12, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Joel B. Lewis. What is with all the drahmuh? "BRD violations", "blanking a lot of text". Jeepers. I rem'd out some possible copyright vio text while I investigated it. That is the prudent, and the required thing to do. In fact we are supposed to delete it and ask questions later. It can always be restored. Rem'ing it out just makes the resto a little easier.

What we need is the Diff showing when the text was added to Wikipedia. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 16:43, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

The drama is caused by your unwarranted revert to restore content that made the article worse, your disregard for BRD, your passive-agressive behavior, and now your disruptive removal of content. Further, your substantive position is obviously wrong: since the text is in Wikipedia on January 25, 2015, it cannot be a copyright violation of something that was published on January 27, 2015. It does not matter when before that point it was added to Wikipedia. See arrow of time. You could have spent two minutes to investigate this yourself, but instead you have blanked a large, long-standing section of the article. Please revert your recent damaging edits, and participate in the discussion on the talk page. --JBL (talk) 17:26, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Joel B. Lewis. I still need a Diff showing when the content was added to Wikipedia. Until then, please find a giant chill pill. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 03:12, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

Help With Edit Requests

Can you please help with the edit requests I've made? Thank you.Picomtn (talk) 17:24, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Picomtn. Both of your edit requests have been answered. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 20:34, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

Arthur Quiller-Couch

I was just looking at the article on Arthur Quiller-Couch, and I noticed that there was something wrong with one of the notes in the References section, I think it was #18. Corinne (talk) 04:15, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

I'm puzzled by something in the lead in Arthur Quiller-Couch. It is this sentence:

• He influenced many who never met him, including American writer Helene Hanff, author of 84, Charing Cross Road and its sequel, Q's Legacy; and the fictional Horace Rumpole.

I suppose it's only the semi-colon after "Q's Legacy" that separates the last phrase from the rest of the sentence. I had read it that Helene Hanff was author of all three: 84, Charing Cross Road, its sequel, Q's Legacy, and the fictional Horace Rumpole. However, Horace Rumpole was written by John Mortimer. Any thoughts? Corinne (talk) 04:26, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Corinne. Yes, #18 had a problem with the date= and the year= having a mismatch so I fixed it.

As for the lead I would add John Mortimer's name to that sentence or split it out in to its own sentence. Yes, it is confusing as it stands, especially to somebody who does not chase it down like you did. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 04:36, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

I was just thinking, is it possible that it is the character Horace Rumpole who was influenced by Arthur Quiller-Couch and not the author John Mortimer? So I looked in the article on Horace Rumpole and found that it is the character. See Rumpole of the Bailey#Character sketch, first paragraph. I'll try to clarify the sentence, though. Corinne (talk) 04:45, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

In Richard Quiller Couch there are a couple of external links in the middle of the article. Corinne (talk) 04:54, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Corinne. Not sure what to do about those. At least they are not promotional. Any ideas? They could be reformatted as references or put in the External links section. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}{{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 22:01, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

I don't know anything about that kind of thing, Checkingfax. If you don't know, we can ask Apokryltaros. I was curious to what Richard Quiller Couch succumbed at the age of 47, and I found a source here. It looks like that piece of information is quoted from the Lancet. See the bottom of the left-hand column. Do you think it is a detail worth adding to this article? Corinne (talk) 01:43, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Dear Corinne. Yes. Worth adding more about his death and a citation. I will help you craft the citation from the reference. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 03:28, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Dear Corinne. I moved the two external links down to the Richard Quiller Couch#External links section. There was one bizarre punctuation in the same section as the external links were in but I checked the version from seven years ago and it was identical. It was this:

Annals of Natural History, &c., all of which

What is the

, &c.,

for? Wondering too why he is Richard Quiller Couch and not Richard Quiller-Couch? Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 09:58, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Corinne. Got my answer here: &c. and here: &c. D'oh! Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 10:08, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

I think the &c. was more common in the past, and, though I may be wrong, that the hyphen between a double last name was less common in the past. Corinne (talk) 13:23, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Hofberg (Bad Aibling)

I'm in the middle of copy-editing the article on Bad Aibling, the town near the rail car accident that is mentioned on the Main Page. The caption of an image says just "Hofberg". I wondered whether it should be "the Hofberg" (if it's a castle or something like that), or whether it is a town or neighborhood in Bad Aibling, so I searched and found nothing on the English Wikipedia, but I found an article "Hofberg (Bad Aibling)" on the German Wikipedia. However, I couldn't figure out how to translate it. My Google translate (with the shift key) didn't work. I thought I could either find a little more about Hofberg to add to the caption or link it. Can you help? Corinne (talk) 20:46, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Corinne. Using the Bing Translator, it translates to: Hofberg in an ancient engraving by Matthäus Merian d. ä. from 1644

I notice on the English page, Hofberg is in italics, which may indicate Hofberg is the title of the engraving. I also note that on the engraving itself the title has an 'n' instead of an 'i' and the 'n' has an umlaut (2 horizontal dots over the n).

Since you're editing images and captions, this is interesting about Image Galleries on WP: Wikipedia:Image use policy#Image galleries. Cheers! PS: I am adding to this message to see if it will ping you. {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 01:05, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Corinne. I found it here with a 'y' in the image caption name. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 01:23, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Checkingfax. Thank you much, but I think there is some miscommunication here. First, it was I who put "Hofberg" into italics. I usually put the title of an image of a painting or drawing in italics, following MoS guidelines (that I've read carefully – I've worked on a lot of art articles, but thank you for that link; I'll look at it later). If you think it is not the title of the drawing/engraving, I'll put it back to regular font. Second, I wanted to know what "Hofberg" was – a building, a town, a neighborhood of a city? Third, I'm glad you found the article on the artist; I'll read it later. However, I don't know what you mean by "a 'y' in the image caption name". In the name of the artist? Regarding using Bing translator, do you copy the text and paste it into the translator? Where do you find the Bing translator? I'm using Google Chrome, so I don't have Bing unless I use, maybe, Internet Explorer. Sorry for so many questions at once. Also, thank you for helping Tschips re categories. Corinne (talk) 01:34, 11 February 2016 (UTC) P.S. Just want to be sure you know that by numbering the items ("First,...", etc.), I didn't mean to convey impatience with your reply. I was just kind of listing them because there were so many different points to cover.) Corinne (talk) 02:23, 11 February 2016 (UTC) P.S.S. How in blazes do you keep that cup of coffee in the same place as the page moves up and down? That's really weird, and cool at the same time. I guess you like coffee. Corinne (talk) 02:24, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Corinne. I too poked around to see what Hofberg was and could not find anything. The only thing was I found the image being used on was another page that referenced Aibling and Aybling. Now that I look at the etching closer I do not think the 'n' has an umlaut as n with umlaut is not a German letter. I think what looks like an umlaut is merely damage to the etching. I agree Hofberg should be in Italics assuming that is the title of the etching.

The link regarding Image Galleries I thought would be helpful since it appears the section title of 'Gallery' is not MoS compliant. I have only recently become aware of this particular MoS section.

When I use Firefox and do a search for German to English translator it brings up the Bing translator. Here is a long URL to get directly to it: https://www.bing.com/search?q=german+to+english+translate

There are drop down menus to pick various languages for to and from. Then you can click on the ←→ arrows to toggle back and forth between the to and from boxes.

Yes, you copy and paste in to the box on the left and it translates into the box on the right. You can use any browser to get to that long URL for Bing.

The coffee cup transcludes from a simple code on another user's page via a template. I checked out the template and it would be easy for me to clone and then put a different image in it to display. It is remarkable to me that the image appears so stationary as one scrolls up or down the page. It is done with an image style position called 'absolute'. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 03:29, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I just read that section on Image galleries, and I see what you mean. I think there are probably too many images there for such a short article, there are more than one image of some places, some captions are not in English, etc. I'm wondering if a gallery is even needed. Perhaps it would be best to just select two or three of the most pertinent and best images and place them in the right place in the article and get rid of the rest. Thanks for the link to the bing translator. I used to use Google translate which was in a drop-down menu at "More" at the top of the page, but when I re-set everything to the default settings, it disappeared and I don't remember how to get it back. Corinne (talk) 03:42, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Dear Corinne. Here is the machine translation from de:Hofberg (Bad Aibling):

The Court is a former Castle Mountain in Bad Aibling. He is an arch-shaped moraine Hill Bad Aibling's town centre nestles in the Northwest.

History the Hofberg was probably already the seat of a fortification (oppidum) in the Celtic la Tène culture, which was later taken over by the Romans. A Court of Bavaria, which was expanded to a King's Court (Royal Palace) of the Carolingians in the 8th century was formed in the year 470.

In the following centuries the Hofberg was the seat of the Bailiwick of Aibling. 1293 foster Court was established at Mount farm, until 1972, a separate District Court was located here.

The still existing branch of the Rosenheim District Court was dissolved in the year 2013. Today, a court as a branch of the Rosenheim District Court is housed in the buildings.

I looked up moraine and it is a rocky hill from glacier activity. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 16:30, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

(a) I suppose I could attempt to put this into Standard English, but do you think all of this should be added to the Bad Aibling article?

(b) If I do put this into Standard English, and we want to add some or all of it to the article, can you help with the reference(s) because I don't have a clue about doing that?

(c) Even from reading this material, I still can't tell if the Hofberg is just a hill, or a neighborhood or district of the city, or a castle on the hill. Tschips, what do you think? Corinne (talk) 21:57, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

I found it a bit confusing when I run through the german websites of Bad Aibling. Think it needs a close look to recent state and historical developement and I will attend to it when I finished another project. Greets --Tschips (talk) 02:17, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Corinne. If you want to get your feet wet with references go to your Preferences and enable Proveit. It will give you a widget at the bottom of the edit window: Click on the up arrow; click on add reference; fill out the blanks; put your cursor where you want to insert a reference; click on insert in to edit form. This will place a fully dressed reference where your cursor is. The other way to do it is to put a long, bare URL between an opening and closing <ref> tag and then use WP:reFill to fill in the parameters. With reFill I like to click on the superscripted link for options then uncheck all the boxes, then recheck only the bottom checkbox and the 3rd one from the bottom, then click on fix page. To enable reFill go to your Preferences, then to the Gadgets section, and check off the box for MoreMenu, adds Page and User dropdown menus to the toolbar with links to common tasks, analytic tools and logs. Supports Vector (documentation), and Monobook / Modern skins (documentation) and save your change. Or you can build references by hand using the various citation templates (cite book, cite news, cite web, etc.). We could go in to IRC and I could walk you through all this over the weekend. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 11:26, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Wow. Thank you for all this good information. What is IRC? Let me do a little editing for GOCE for a while. Maybe later today or tomorrow we could work on this. Thank you. Corinne (talk) 22:02, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Corinne. IRC is Internet Relay Chat. Wikipedia uses freenode for that. I have set up an IRC channel for GOCE and we could go in there and chat in real time and I could walk you through doing references for any you want to add. Getting in to IRC is very easy. Click on a link, enter a nickname (Corinne might already be taken‍—‌who knows‍—‌if so you can always append with numerals or alpha characters), click on a CAPTCHA checkbox, click on connect. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 01:56, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Corinne. I botched the ping. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 01:57, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

Oh. Thank you for your offer. I'm a bit too tired now to start something like that. Can we do that another day? Can I ask you, though, whether I should sign in once just to establish my nickname even though I don't want to chat now? Are you using your WP user name there? Corinne (talk) 02:08, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Corinne. Another day would be great. Registering a username and then having to log in with it each time is arduous and arcane. I would recommend against it. You could poke your head in just to see the login process. The channel will be empty because nobody is using it yet. Click on the superscripted connect link. #GOCE ^connect. Joining the channel without registering your nickname does not in any way reserve your nickname for future use. You can use any nickname. I use my Wikpedia one. You type or paste your comments in to the bottom line and then hit ↵ Enter for them to show up in the chat panel. Try it out now for practice. Should take about 1 minute. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 07:38, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

I tried it out. There was no "captcha" for me to type, only a box next to "I am not a robot" that I clicked on and then there was a check-mark, like "O.K." I typed one line and saved. The place is kind of plain-looking, and the font was quite small. I think I prefer talk pages instead. Corinne (talk) 03:59, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Dear Corinne. Yes, plain indeed. The checkbox is the simple CAPTCHA. If you enter the IRC several times it will switch to a more advanced CAPTCHA where you have to pick images from a grid then click on "verify" to get in. IRC is good for a back and forth conversation. Happy Valentine's Day! Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 04:10, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

(Just saw this.) Oh. Have you used IRC for a conversation yet? How do you draw the attention of a GOCE editor so that you can begin the conversation, and how will you know when to look there for a reply? Corinne (talk) 13:28, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Corinne. I used IRC once when WMF SF HQ was having a panel discussion in SF that I was planning to attend but it did not say what time it ended so I went in to an IRC channel and SamWalton9 told me to go to Ocaasi (WMF)'s talk page and post a message. Several times after that I went to an IRC channel for user Wikipedia user Dispenser (IRC channel ##Dispenser). S/he is the brains behind several wmflabs tools on Wikipedia including Checklinks, Semi-Automated Peer Reviewer, etc. S/he wanted alpha testers for a new rollout so I went in his/her IRC while I used the proposed tool. I gave live feedback and asked questions when I got stuck. I learned a lot in an hour. Recently I had a problem with getting registered with a locked in IRC nickname so I went in to the freenode IRC channel and asked their developers how to get hooked up and they bootstrapped me in. It would have been a nightmare to do it by Talk page or by email. That is why I do not recommend registering your nickname.

For the #GOCE IRC channel since nobody is using it, we'd probably have to go in by appointment. You could go in and just wait for somebody but nobody really knows about it and the pool of participants is small. You can configure it to make a chirp tone and blink your browser tab when you are being pinged. I put a dummy in the GOCE channel so it stays open all the time and we do not have to worry about freenode shutting it down for being dormant. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 13:48, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Oh. I understand most of what you wrote, although (because of occasional jargon with which I am unfamiliar) it approaches sounding like another dialect of English, but that's all right. At least I see that it is useful at times. I'd like to understand what you meant by "I had a problem with a locked in IRC nickname". Does that mean you registered "Checkingfax" and so it was locked in – that is, you couldn't change it even if you wanted to? What is the problem with having a locked-in user name? When I tried out IRC that one time that I mentioned above, I don't remember if I registered it my user name as my nickname or not. I don't think so, but I don't remember. Corinne (talk) 14:06, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Corinne. Yes, I wanted to reserve my username so nobody could imp me. But I got stuck in a registration loop where I confirmed myself by email but then when I tried to login in it said I needed to register but when I tried to register it said I was a blocked user and I ended up chasing my tail. Finally somebody in their official channel asked if maybe I put a space in front of my login and sure enough I did. Once I removed the space I was able to proceed with getting in. When I copied the string of code from the email I caught an extra space in the string in to my clipboard. Now each time I want to login in I have to use an arcane command string that I don't have internalized yet. I guess I'll put it in a text file on my Desktop so I can copy/paste it. The problem is they only give you about 30 seconds to login before they log you in as a guest, then you have to refresh and go back in through the advanced CAPTCHA. Too much drahmuh. Now that Checkingfax is registered I have to use the arcane string of text if I want to login with that nickname. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 14:20, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Hmm. Interesting. Corinne (talk) 21:30, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Nic Case

Checkingfax, I just finished copy-editing Nic Case. I wanted to add the GOCE template to the talk page, with the WikiProject banner shell, but since this is a biography of a living person, I didn't want to hide the message about the importance of adhering to the biography of living persons guidelines, so I put the banner shell underneath the template that was already there. But now the yellow-orange box about WikiProject Biography appears above the phrase, "this article is of interest to the following projects". Is there any way (if it is desirable) to split the notice about the living persons guidelines from the yellow-orange WikiProject Biography box so that the latter ends up after the heading for the various projects? Corinne (talk) 17:33, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Corinne: When using {{WikiProject banner shell}} to enclose a {{WikiProject Biography}} which has |living=yes, add |blp=yes like this. It's in the template's documentation. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:09, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Corinne. I did not read this question yet, but in the interim Redrose64 more succinctly answered it anyway. Question for Redrose64: Can you update the documentation there to explain what the function of the 1= parameter is? Thank you for answering Corinne's question. I really appreciate your expert input.

Corinne, if you click on the link to the WikiProject banner shell template above you can see the optional parameters that you can use with the banner shell; parameters that I neglected to point out to you since I am not a frequent user of that particular template. I used the collapse parameter to nearly fully hide the templates for one of your recent requests and I think it looks cool, but I did fail to add the blp=yes parameter. Ping me back. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 23:31, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Addendum: Corinne and Redrose64. The WikiProject templates include many parameters. Many templates are not fully filled out by the "person" placing them. I put person in scare quotes because many of the templates are placed by bots and the bots do not fill them out fully. In fact, there is controversy about bots that sanitize existing WikiProject templates before the bot adds the banner shell template. Parameters like listas=, class=, importance=, etc. are important, IMHO. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 23:39, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Pinging Corinne to this section. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 23:41, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

The 1= in |1= is technically optional. Its purpose is to ensure that any enclosed code that is not entirely within a template is not misprocessed, see Help:Template#Usage hints and workarounds, first bullet. --Redrose64 (talk) 00:01, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Redrose64. Roger that. I put curly braces around "=" signs in templates frequently because of that issue. There is a user with the username of something like 7+6=13 and s/he cannot be pinged with a ping template unless you curly brace around the equal sign S/he must miss the majority of her pings. When I use the tlx template sometimes I have to use a lot of curly braces or the alternative workaround is to nest a nowiki tag within the tlx template if you want the template name to remain clickable. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 00:13, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

The parameters recognised by WikiProject templates are varied; there are five that are recognised by the majority - |category= |class= |importance= |listas= |small=. Here is the standard documentation for these:

• class – valid values are fa, a, ga, b, c, start, stub, fl, list, na (case-insensitive). See the quality scale for details. Setting an explicit value of NA is rarely necessary; for this, either leave |class= blank or omit the parameter.
• importance – valid values are: top, high, mid, low, na (case-insensitive). See the importance scale for details. Setting an explicit value of NA is rarely necessary; for this, either leave |importance= blank or omit the parameter.
• listas – This parameter, which is the equivalent of the DEFAULTSORT sortkey that should be placed on all biographical articles, is a sortkey for the article talk page (e.g. for John Smith, use |listas=Smith, John so that the talk page will show up in the S's and not the J's of the various assessment and administrative categories). This is important because it is one source used by those who set DEFAULTSORT on the article; consider also setting the DEFAULTSORT for the article when setting this parameter. For more information about this, please see Wikipedia:Categorization of people § Ordering names in a category.
  If the article is using {{WikiProject banner shell}} then it is preferable to add |listas= to that template instead of a project banner template. Putting the parameter on more than one template is not required.
• small – this parameter is no longer supported and can safely be removed from the template.
• category – set |category=no if, and only if, a banner is being used for demonstration or testing purposes, to prevent unnecessary or undesirable categorization. Otherwise, omit this parameter.

With the possible exception of |category=, none of these is recognised by all WikiProject templates. As shown in the documentation, |listas= is only needed once per page; in addition to that, there are a lot of WikiProjects that don't recognise |importance=, {{WikiProject Women}} for example; |small= is rarely used; and |category= hardly ever; so the only one that is used in the majority of cases is |class=. This one only needs filling in if the talk page is that of an article or disambiguation page - for all other pages, including redirects, it's set automatically by the code inside the WikiProject template.

It is not a crime to omit any or all of the parameters recognised by a WikiProject template. If you don't know the correct value to use, it's safer to omit the parameter than to guess. --Redrose64 (talk) 00:20, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Redrose64. Thank you for that. I do not fill out very many of those templates and to be honest the one I probably forget is the listas one. Normally what I do is go to the actual template docs and review the supported parameters for each WikiProject template and fill it out as best I can. if I am in a hurry I just lay down a bare template. I recently saw a dustup on a bot owners page where s/he was having feet held to fire for repeatedly sanitizing WikiProject templates prior to implementing the banner shell template by bot. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 00:41, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Redrose64{{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 08:13, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Oh, I forgot to mention that besides those WikiProjects that don't recognise |importance=, there are several that don't recognise |class=, such as {{WikiProject Accessibility}}. Most of these don't recognise |importance= either; I can't think of any examples that recognise |importance= and not |class=, but there are bound to be some. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:11, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Article

If you want to, take a look at the article about Margareta Hallin that I have created. Thanks.--BabbaQ (talk) 16:11, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi BabbaQ. I polished it a bit. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 19:30, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Mads Johansen Lange

Are the commas added in this edit to Mads Johansen Lange necessary? Also see the edits just before it adding the old "no-break-space" and other things; not sure they're needed. Corinne (talk) 01:59, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Dear Corinne. Hmmm. Your Diff seems to be off a notch. The one you sent me to shows commas being removed and replaced by "in", and it shows "&nbsp;– " (non-breaking space/en dash/regular space) being removed and replaced by " – " (regular space/en dash/regular space). Both methods look the same to the reader but the last one is subject to corruption (the spaces could be lost). That's why I like the {{snds}} template (non-breaking space/en dash/non-breaking space) as it won't collapse or break. Even by the first method one of the spaces can get collapsed by a subsequent editor who is not in tune with the need for a space before and after the en dash in a date range like that one. Then in the 3rd edit they add commas back so there is comma and "in". Seems redundantly redundant. Go ahead and fix it. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 03:45, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. Just now, I didn't go back into the revision history to review all the changes. I just went to the article and started changing the old no-break-space and spaced en-dash codes to the new templates you've given me. I went all the way through the article and made quite a few changes. Then, when I clicked on "Preview", I saw a red template warning at the top of the article that said there was more than one date-something and it would select the "last one" (whatever that means). I thought it might have been because I put the {{snds}} between the birth and death date (I also removed the commas after the years), so I changed it temporarily to the regular en-dash from below the edit window, and previewed, and still get the same warning. I thought maybe it was because there was a discrepancy in day-month-year and month-day-year formats, so I looked for those and couldn't find any. Can you tell me what is wrong, but just tell me if you find anything and how to fix it, so I can then save all the changes I've made and am waiting to save? Corinne (talk) 17:51, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Well, since I didn't hear from you, I just saved my edits. Just before I did that, I saw (in preview) a number of red error notices in the references. Can you take a look at them? Also, can you add the spaced en-dash at the beginning between the birth and death dates? I don't know what that date template error message was referring to. Corinne (talk) 18:56, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Corinne. No harm in saving the edits when you see those convenience warnings. I will dig in but it is probably a warning that there is a duplicate date parameter in a citation or in the infobox. If parameters are duplicated where only one is allowed, then it only parses the first one that is called out. I wish the error notice actually highlighted the errors within the code. The snds is a great little template for the birth/death date range.

I will analyze the red reference errors too, and hopefully be able to puzzle them out. They are usually easy, although a bit mundane to fix. I am getting very good at it, but I don't like it. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 20:28, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Corinne. Redrose64 kindly fixed two citation errors where pp= was used instead of p=. Using for instance, pp=6 will return an error as it should be p=6. pp as you know stands for pages, and p stands for page. Fussy, eh? Something to be on the lookout for when you're microediting. I think one of my script tools incorporates finding those anomalies. I'll take notice going forward.

I added the {{snds}} template to the date range in the lead. As an aside, I believe that the info in parens there technically violates some MoS as being TMI (Too Much Information). Don't ask me where to find that rule

I tried to run the MOSNUMdate script but it was going to replace all your {{nbsp}} templates with regular spaces so I aborted the saving of the script work. Can you please install the MOSNUMdate script and run it each time before adding all the helpful nbsp templates? Cheers! PS: Check out the Diff for my edit: I ran WP:UCB and it fixed a citation. {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 00:33, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

O.K. I will, since you say it's important. Now I have to find where you explained to me how to install it. I think I started the first steps but then saw some kind of warning that "this kind of script can harm your computer" or something like that, but if you say it is safe, I'll install it. Why is it important to run that script before adding the various space-templates? Corinne (talk) 00:55, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

O.K. I found where you told me about the MOSNUMdate script; it's on my talk page a few sections from the bottom. I toggled off the WikEd button and then saved the change. Is that right? (I also saw that same button at the upper right of my talk page in regular view.) Then I clicked on the link you provided to the information page about the script (your link was in bold). Then I clicked on the link in that article to the actual script page. There is a message in a pink box at the top that says, "Code that you insert on this page could contain malicious content capable of compromising your account. If you are unsure whether code you are adding to this page is safe, you can ask at the appropriate village pump. The code will be executed when previewing this page." This warning is the reason I didn't proceed before. It sounds scary. Corinne (talk) 01:05, 20 February 2016 (UTC) Do I really need to add it? You said something on my talk page about if I don't run it first, it will negate the addition of the space and en- and em-dash templates that I've added. Why? Corinne (talk) 01:07, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Corinne. Unifying dates is a tedious task if done manually. Nearly impossible to get it all congruent. Consistent dates is I believe is technically one of the criteria for GA and FA but unenforced by the majority of reviewers.

The warning is boilerplate and can be ignored for this particular script installation.

If the script is run after you do all your nbsp templates then the script will remove all your nbsp templates. I have reported this to the script author but s/he is stonewalling me. I believe it ignores every other type of template on Wikipedia except for the specific {{nbsp}} one. I don't want to nuke your good work when I come along and run the MOSNUM dates script.

To install the script you paste it in to your User:Corinne/common.js page; save it; purge the page. Then you will have links on the left hand side of each article page. You have to disable wikEd each time you run the script. You can run the script, proceed with your normal editing, and then save every change at once if you wish. If you want to be extra cautios you can click on the "Changes" button in the edit window and review the changes to see if they look OK to you.

Here is a link to the install instructions: User:Ohconfucius/script/MOSNUM dates. I see there is a space after MOSNUM and before dates. Let me know if I can assist. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 01:17, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

One more question before I install it. You just said I can "run the script, proceed with your normal editing, save every change at once if you wish". But I really like having WikEd enabled while I edit. The various shading colors seen in the edit window help me distinguish among file images and captions (green), references (gray), hidden notes (salmon), and regular text (black letters on a white background). Can I run the script first, save any changes regarding dates, then enable WikEd again to do the rest of my editing? Also, why don't you bring up this matter regarding the script negating the template somewhere? This is important. I've already spent a lot of time adding those space and en- and em-dash templates in many articles. Corinne (talk) 01:40, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Corinne. Disable wikEd; run script; re-enable wikEd; proceed with editing; save editing all at once‍—‌or you can save the MOSNUM dates changes, then go back in and edit‍—‌it's your call. I do not want to get called out for making changes that are cosmetic only so I try to incorporate several edits along with script edits. I notified Ohconfucious a while back and again today. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 01:50, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Corinne. You only have to toggle wikEd off when you are ready to run the MOSNUM dates script. I forgot about the wikEd toggle button top right of page; never used it. Good catch. Immediately after using MOSNUM dates you can toggle wikEd back on if you wish. That is what I do. The work flow I do is: open the edit window → decide which date format to use after looking at prose and reference datestyles (I defer to prose) → toggle wikEd off → run MOSNUM dates → click on Changes button to see if MOSNUM dates changed anything I did not want it to → toggle wikEd on → proceed with my editing session → when complete, save my efforts. I actually run four tools during my editing session and the first tool (reFill or Checklinks) opens the edit window for me so that step is out of the way. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 01:43, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Corinne{{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 01:44, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

If MOSNUM dates changed anything you did not want it to, can you put those things back the way they were right there in the edit window? So, you don't have to save right after you run MOSNUM dates. You can toggle WikEd back on and continue editing before saving, is that it? Corinne (talk) 01:47, 20 February 2016 (UTC) I just looked at the script on OhConfucius's page. Do I copy all of that onto the commons js page (you gave me a link)? Including the first few lines starting "This script..."? It's an entire page of code! Do I paste it right under the script I added earlier regarding duplicate links? Corinne (talk) 01:53, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Corinne. While MOSNUM dates has this issue it is less work to run MOSNUM dates then add the templates. The workflow can be: open edit window → toggle wikEd off → run MOSNUM dates → toggle wikEd on → add templates → edit page as desired → save edits. I like the text highlighting of wikEd too. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 01:58, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Corinne. Yes, you can edit in the edit window after running MOSNUM dates then save your work. I usually find it easier to cancel the MOSNUM dates work and come back in. But if it's less work to edit it on the spot you can do that. Yep. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 02:01, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, Checkingfax -- I did it! I copied and pasted the script into my common js page, but I don't know where the reload button is for Chrome. I left a question at User talk:Ohconfucius/script/MOSNUM dates#Reload button because I didn't want to bother you again, but if you can tell me that would be nice. Thanks. Corinne (talk) 04:16, 20 February 2016 (UTC) I hope I haven't exhausted your patience with all my questions. If I have, I apologize. Corinne (talk) 04:33, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Corinne. No worries. In Google Chrome up top to the left of the address bar there is a circle with an arrow facing clockwise. That is the Reload this page button. If you hover your mouse on it a tool tip will say that. Just click on that button to reload the page. That will Refresh the page. You only have to do this once after installing a script, or maybe not at all. The two date formats I use are ALL dates to dmy and ALL dates to mdy. Once or twice I used Expand all dates. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 08:11, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Besides the |pp= vs |p= anomaly (the remainder of which I have also fixed), there was one instance of {{cite book}} where |year= was given twice. It's a general rule of templates that any named parameter can only be used once, so I used |origyear= for the earlier of the two, and the sum of my changes is this. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:30, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

More on "Code that you insert on this page could contain malicious content ..." - it comes from MediaWiki:Jswarning and is displayed at the top of all JavaScript pages, regardless of their content - even empty ones, which by definition do nothing and so must be harmless. This message causes more unjustified worry than anything else in Wikipedia. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:54, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Paging Corinne. The above from Redrose64 should interest you. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 10:45, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Redrose64 Thank you for your explanations. May I ask why you chaged "p" to "pp" when there was only one page number after it? Corinne (talk) 14:46, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Forget this. I just looked at the edit linked where it said, above, "the sum of my edits is this"; I didn't see later edits until a few minutes ago changing "pp" to "p". Corinne (talk) 17:47, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

(Thank you, Checkingfax, also.) Corinne (talk) 14:46, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Could someone tell me whether it is too late to click on the Reload button? I saved the MOSNUM date script to my common js page yesterday. If it is not too late, should I have that common js page open? If it is too late, do I have to repeat the whole process of saving the script to the common js page again? Corinne (talk) 16:10, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Corinne. You are good to go. No need to redo the installation of MOSNUM dates. Do you have the date links in your lefthand set of links now? If not, go to your common.js page and do the reload button push. Do it while viewing the page in viewing mode, not while in editing mode. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 19:14, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Oh, good. Thank you. Two questions:

(1) All the date links are at the left side, but they're only there when I'm in edit mode. Is that the way it is supposed to be? Corinne (talk) 21:33, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

(2) I tried it out when editing Gonçalo Nicau today. I toggled WikEd off, clicked "All dates dmy" (either because I saw a template that said dmy or a date in the dmy format) – I assume you click on the "All dates..." with the format that you want in the article, right? –  but the only thing that got highlighted was that template at the beginning of the article saying to use dmy format, and "January 2016" was being changed to "February 2016". Since I didn't think that had to change (does it?), I cancelled the edit, got out of the edit window, toggled WikEd back on, and continued editing. I guess all dates in the article were already dmy, but what do I do in the future when I do see dates that need changing, or just other edits that need to be made? Do I let that change (for example, "January 2016" to "February 2016" in the template that specifies which date format to use in the article) go forward along with the other edits I will be making to dates or other things? Corinne (talk) 21:46, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Corinne. Yes, the links will only be there when you are in edit mode since that is the only time they can be utilized.

Yes, you pick the datestyle that you want in the article. It will convert all datestyles to the one you pick.

Sometimes the date for the template at the top (or bottom, or both) of the page is the only date that gets changed. This means all the other dates were solid. You can just toggle wikEd back on at that point and continue with your GOCE edits. The MOSNUM dates script will tidy up all dates for you and update the top (or bottom, or both) template‍—‌sometimes the template is at bottom of page‍—‌sometimes it is a top and bottom of page‍—‌or sometimes it is top of page, then just before the WP:LDR section of references since those are dated in a near clump. Let the script do the thinking and the grunt work for you. Push the Changes or Show changes button in the edit window to make sure MOSNUM dates has not made any unwanted changes before proceeding with your GOCE edits. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 06:17, 21 February 2016 (UTC)