User talk:Zeitgeist-Movement-Member

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Hello, Zeitgeist-Movement-Member, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few links to pages you might find helpful:

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Ian.thomson (talk) 02:30, 28 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

May 2014[edit]

Please stop using talk pages such as Talk:The Zeitgeist Movement for general discussion of the topic. They are for discussion related to improving the article; not for use as a forum or chat room. If you have specific questions about certain topics, consider visiting our reference desk and asking them there instead of on article talk pages. See here for more information. Please read WP:NOTSOAPBOX while you're at it. Ian.thomson (talk) 03:01, 28 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've seen the Wiki soapbox article, in short: Science is not propaganda. Zeitgeist-Movement-Member (talk) 03:10, 28 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

As far as Wikipedia is concerned, science is determined by peer-reviewed academic journals, not movies and their fans' ad nauseam arguments. If you disagree with that, then you should try some other site, like a blog. Ian.thomson (talk) 03:14, 28 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Science is presenting the facts, the facts which you choose to censor from the zeitgeist movement wiki page because you believe them to be false.

Politics is a religion which as a member of TZM I do not advocate, (such as campaigning for a christian agenda or 1+1=5)
Trading is covert violence both parties attempting to deceive each other the result being, relative poverty: a wealth addiction, corrupt social values, and absoulte poverty: basic needs in danger.

If you don't think science can be presented by movies or their fans, well I guess that's appealing to a nonsense authority. Zeitgeist-Movement-Member (talk) 03:20, 28 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I really don't care. Wikipedia just summarizes to academic and journalistic sources. The "Truth" doesn't matter, just that information is verified to match the most common and widely held explanations by mainstream scholars. Are you not here to do that or not? Ian.thomson (talk) 03:24, 28 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The truth doesn't matter, what matters is lying to people. Zeitgeist-Movement-Member (talk) 03:27, 28 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Are you here to build an encyclopedia by summarizing mainstream sources or not? Ian.thomson (talk) 03:31, 28 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Since the truth doesn't matter, why not pick a bunch of "mainstream sources" which create "summarised" but completely false articles. It works for TZM. Zeitgeist-Movement-Member (talk) 03:35, 28 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Do you know the words "yes" and "no"...? Because you're failing pretty hard at answering a simple "yes" or "no" question. Are you here to build an encyclopedia by summarizing mainstream sources? If you're not interested in using mainstream sources, so why stay? You've clearly got an issue with the article, so why not just say what you're hoping to accomplish here. Ian.thomson (talk) 03:43, 28 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

if you're looking for "yes" or "no" answers, then answer your own questions to gain such a simplistic view.

Since the truth doesn't matter, pick random mainstream sources about TZM without any concern whether the article is correct. Works for TZM.

I've already stated "what I'm hoping to accomplish" which is to present the truth.

But as you say the truth doesn't matter (and therefore to readers of wiki).

Science is not preaching
Politics is a religion which I don't advocate
Trading/Property is a covert form of violence, which is the CORNERSTONE of what TZM advocates yet is completely missed out. Meaning it's not "the current socioeconomic system as structurally corrupt" as the TZM wiki says, it's the act of a trade that is corrupt since it's based on parties getting the better end of the deal and screwing over the opponents. It is the direct causes of vanity and poverty.
Such behaviour is not "human nature" it is learned, and trading causes brain damage for wealth addicts, further debunking the idea that capitalism is the best social system, and ensures innovation.

If you don't think the truth matters, keep up censoring the truth Zeitgeist-Movement-Member (talk) 03:55, 28 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Ian.thomson (talk) 04:12, 28 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for systematically misusing Wikipedia for ideological soapboxing rather than building encyclopedic content. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the following text below this notice: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. However, you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. Fut.Perf. ☼ 05:58, 28 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Zeitgeist-Movement-Member (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

If presenting the truth is worth being blocked indefinitely, then I should remain blocked.

Science is not biased, ideological soapboxing, where was I presenting a biased perspective? I've been blocked without being SHOWN where my bias is.

If it's acceptable to use "reliable sources" which are false by all means I should remain blocked, as Ian.thomson said, "the truth doesn't matter"

No original research, if something is truthful, say the act of trading being corrupt and the condition of being a wealth addict, covertly forcing people into poverty, isn't accepted by mainstream it MUST be wrong. the fact of the matter is the truth doesn't matter anyway. So I could type anything here truth or lie, and it'd have exactly the same value.

"Failure or refusal to "get the point", if a bunch of people are bullshitting me, why should I conform to their bullshit?

"Ad nauseam" because you've gotten tired of a person's position your lies must be better than their lies.

Zeitgeist-Movement-Member (talk) 01:46, 29 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Decline reason:

Checkuser verified abuser of multiple accounts. --jpgordon^{::==( o )} 05:08, 29 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

You might want to check out Guide to appealing blocks: "Understand what you did and why you have been blocked" and "Agree to follow Wikipedia community customs". You're only continuing to give reasons why you should be blocked.

Any introductory philosophy class would have taught you the distinction between objective truth and subjective truths, though honestly it's a concept that I've seen people figure out on their own before they were old enough to vote. Subjective truths, which have no place on Wikipedia, are things that an individual knows for themselves to be true. Objective truths, which are what Wikipedia deals with, are what the majority of people can observe to be true. Anyone who cannot comprehend that distinction is too incompetent to be of any use to this site. Understand?

You have repeatedly established that you are only interested in spreading the teachings of the Zeitgeist Movement, which you believe to be "science." The Zeitgeist Movement's teachings are subjective beliefs, comparable to religious belief. Science, at least as far as Wikipedia is concerned, is a result of experimentation that is duplicated over and over to eliminate all possible explanations except leading theories that are examined in peer-reviewed academic journals. Anyone who passes high school science should understand that.

If someone is incapable of perceiving as true what the majority can objectively perceive as true, that's their problem, it will not be ours. And if you still think that this is the place for subjective truths, then you would be in no position to stop me from spamming sermons on Christian humanist and socialist condemnations of conspiracy theories. Neither one of us wants that, do we? (Just in case you're interested in trying to accuse me of a Christian bias, there's plenty of proof that I don't allow my subjective beliefs to influence my behavior on this site.)

The guidelines and policies of Wikipedia are social contracts that reflect the most informed method of ensuring that the encyclopedia operates as cooperatively and objectively as possible. Part of the reason that "failure to get the point" is considered a problem is that it is nothing but the internet equivalent of a baby's temper tantrum. Repeatedly insisting on the same dismissed point over and over without convincing anyone is the tactic of a spoiled brat, not an educated adult who has anything to contribute to this site.

Now, do you want to join the grown-ups in contributing objective information to this encyclopedia? Or shall the admins just revoke your talk page access as well?

Ian.thomson (talk) 02:36, 29 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

In the words of James Gilligan (featured in TZM content)

"Punishment is the most powerful provoker of violence we've yet discovered"

All warnings are disregarded by TZM members.

I simply believe The Zeitgeist Movement is "science"? so eugenics is a real science is it? because last I checked believing the poor are poor because of bad genetics is a complete lie.

TZM is Comparable to religious belief? Then establish the TZM wiki page as a cult/religion instead of a movement with evidence/sources.

I don't think proving trading to be a covert form of violence and therefore destructive is "subjective", it's a fact that a society based on open source would be healthier.

Capitalist Propaganda is not objective science.

"policies" or "politics" is not science, you can consider my actions as "a spoiled brat", it won't change how I think and will only highlight to members of TZM of the bigotry surrounding the TZM wiki page.Zeitgeist-Movement-Member (talk) 10:10, 29 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]