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The article was promoted by Gog the Mild via FACBot (talk) 16 June 2022 [1].

1990–91 Gillingham F.C. season[edit]

Nominator(s): ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:34, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Do you like reading about the exploits of mediocre football teams? Then you will love my 13th nomination of a season from the history of English football club Gillingham, as they spent a season achieving little of note other than damaging everyone's eyes with one of the ugliest playing kits ever seen in English football. As ever, feedback will be most gratefully received and promptly acted upon -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:34, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support by Eem dik doun in toene[edit]

  • Good job on making the home kit in the infobox!
  • "long-serving goalkeeper ended" ==> I think a comma is missing between "goalkeeper" and "ended"
  • "In the spring" ==> I would avoid seasonal references
  • How did the Gillingham fans actually react to their team's home kit?
  • "biggest away win since 1968" ==> biggest away win in the league or overall?
  • That's all I have. Nice read again, Chris. Eem dik doun in toene (talk) 08:50, 9 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Eem dik doun in toene: - thanks for your review - responses above -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:54, 9 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Eem dik doun in toene (talk) 09:25, 9 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support from Edwininlondon[edit]

This appears to me in a good shape. Some minor comments:

  • Long-serving defender Paul Haylock --> Is that long-serving appropriate? How many years at the club, as I see he also played 7 years for norwich
  • Gillingham's first match of the season --> first league match
  • in his absence Peter Heritage and Steve Lovell were the starting forwards --> swapping 2 for 1??? :)
  • what was the league position at the end of September?
  • In the next eight, however --> In the next eight matches, however
  • Crown finally made his first appearance in the starting line-up on 20 October against Blackpool --> I assume they played a match later in October. If so this sentence should precede the sentence about the league position
  • was against Darlington on 29 January --> given the apple incident it would be good to add if this was an away match or at home

That's all I could spot. Edwininlondon (talk) 20:50, 19 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Edwininlondon: - all done apart from the second one, because it wasn't just their first league match, it was their first match full stop -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 06:59, 20 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ah I see, those friendlies are considered pre-season. All good. I Support on prose. Nice work, as always. Edwininlondon (talk) 15:54, 20 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support from BigDom[edit]

Prose is in very good shape, just a couple of minor comments from me:

  • Why is the inflation value given as of 2020?
    • Because the updated value is calculated via a template and apparently at the present time 2020 is the most up-to-date data it holds. It will move forward in time.... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:20, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • FA Cup - don't think "at the first opportunity" is needed. The previous sentence already says it was the first round, and the main point is they were eliminated.
  • League Cup - in the table, both matches say "first leg"
  • Aftermath - could there be a little information about players from this season moving on? (both 1921–22 Cardiff City F.C. season and 1959–60 Burnley F.C. season mention at least oneor two players)
    • Added one. The only other players to move on were just fringe/bit-part players and I feel it would be undue weight to spotlight them here -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:25, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Apart from that, all good! Cheers, BigDom (talk) 08:03, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Source review[edit]

Spot-checking for source-to-text integrity not included.

  • Not sure how helpful the Wikipedia Library links are for the average reader who does not edit here, but I suppose it is better than having no link at all.

Otherwise no issues on reliability and formatting front so it's a pass. FrB.TG (talk) 17:41, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Image review[edit]

All images are ok, except I'm not sure about File:Gills1990shirt.jpg. The graphics on the shirt are definitely above the threshold of originality and unlike most pictures with clothing, the focus is on the clothing itself. (t · c) buidhe 08:05, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Buidhe: I removed that image -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:08, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Buidhe: - can you confirm if you are now happy to pass the IR? Thanks!! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:41, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Query[edit]

@FAC coordinators: can I just check the status of this one and if it is permissible to start a new one? It's got three supports on prose and a source review pass. I actioned Buidhe's point on the image review but have not had the IR confirmed as passed. Thanks! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:48, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, you can start another, while we're waiting for Amakuru to get back on your responses. Gog the Mild (talk) 12:04, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support by Amakuru[edit]

Apologies, you asked me for a review and it's taken me a while to come back. First comments here:

  • "In the first season since being relegated from the Third Division..." - you can tell this means the prior season if you follow the prose closely, including that it was their second consecutive season in D4, but might be useful to say explicitly which season you mean as well.
  • "adding a complex pattern of white diagonal stripes" - who described the pattern as "complex"? Is that your observation, or something that the source says? If the latter then no probs, but might be skirting towards WP:OR otherwise...
  • "all-red" - don't think it needs a hyphen in this usage, since it doesn't appear as a compound modifier
  • "a 1–0 defeat at home to Ipswich Town and a 4–1 defeat at home to West Ham United, both of the Second Division, and a goalless draw with the Australian Olympic team..." - two occurrences of "and" in this sentence sounds slightly wrong; maybe reword a bit.
  • "and would play every game during the remainder of the season" -> "and played every game for the remainder of the season"
  • "Lovell would score only twice" - again, prefer a simple "Lovell scored only twice"
  • "Crown finally made his first appearance in the starting line-up on 20 October" - not sure we need "finally" here, particularly as he already appeared as a sub before that
  • "Gillingham ended their winless run..." - it's not immediately obvious that there was a winless run in the previous paragraph, we know they had 3 defeats out of 4 and Lovell only scored twice in 8 matches, but they could have had a win at some point... Maybe clarify when the last winning game was before the run?
  • "scored as many goals in a game" - "four or more goals in a game" might be clearer, assuming that's what you mean, rather than exactly four

More to come! Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 10:41, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Amakuru: all addressed, hopefully to your satisfaction, with this edit -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:31, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the speedy turnaround, here are some more comments:

  • "Gillingham began the new year with a 1–1 draw away to Stockport County on 1 January with a goal from 18-year old forward Peter Beadle" - repetition of "with"
  • "18-year old" - probably should be "18-year-old"?
  • "Beadle scored twice and Crown and Lovell scored the other goals" - repetition of "and"
  • "he is not a centre-forward but would have been expected to fulfill the centre-forward's role [...] In my opinion he is best left where he is at the moment" - minor point, but this doesn't really answer the question of why exactly Richardson didn't move him up front. He acknowledged that such a move would be "expected", but then only offered "in my opinion" as a rationale for not doing so. Perhaps there is no answer to that question, but it does leave me wondering what exactly was the motivation.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:14, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "he would go on to play 180 games for the club" -> "he went on to play..."
  • "14 above 24th-placed Wrexham" - was there only one relegation place in this division at the time? Might be worth clarifying that, or else saying how many points off relegation they were if there were actually more than one team relegated.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:14, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The tie was played over two legs" - it's been raised before that this usage of the word "tie" is confusing for people not familiar with English football. Perhaps reword to use the two-legged tie nomenclature directly, with that link.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:14, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Bournemouth and Maidstone games in the Association Members' Cup - say whether they were home or away
  • "where their opponents were fellow Fourth Division team Hereford United" - would prefer "in which" rather than "where"... I know it's sort of acceptable usage, but "where" sounds more like a location than a round
  • "Lovell made the most, playing every game" - say how many games that was
  • "Lim was named the club's player of the year" - is there any rationale attached to this, as to why he was deemed the player of the season above others?
  • "Dempsey would go on to make" -> "Dempsey went on to make..."

That's about it. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 12:14, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Amakuru: changes made with this edit. With regard to the quote from Damien, I thought it was worth putting in that the idea was at least mooted, even if the explanation doesn't seem to make total sense. With regard to 24th placed Wrexham, there was no relegation that year because the team that won the Conference did not have a ground that met the requirements for the League, but as Gillingham were not really in the relegation mix, I think this would be excessive detail to outline in this particular article. And I can't find a specific source giving an explanation as to why the fans voted Lim player of the year; he was probably just deemed to have been less mediocre than the rest :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:28, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@ChrisTheDude: Thanks for the responses, and happy to support. As an aside, 1990-91 is the only season I've ever written an article on. Nothing spectacular happened, but it was the first season I remember really following what was going on closely and going to several matches, even though I'd already supported the club for a few years...  — Amakuru (talk) 10:01, 15 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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