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The article was promoted by Gog the Mild via FACBot (talk) 28 June 2021 [1].

2016 FA Cup Final[edit]

Nominator(s): The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 07:04, 9 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Even though it's lost a bit of polish over the last few years, this is still the premier domestic association football cup competition in the world. I believe we now have a comprehensive and detailed article covering all aspects of the final, and I look forward to addressing any and all constructive comments, with thanks in advance for taking the time and interest to help the nomination. Cheers. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 07:04, 9 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support from ChrisTheDude[edit]

Resolved comments from ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:33, 10 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
;Comments
  • "Just before the interval in the first half of the additional period" - there isn't an interval in the first half of extra time
  • "Manchester United's Rooney was named as man of the match" - this is the first mention of him, so his forename needs adding (as does a link)
  • "Zaha scored in the first half, after [...] passing the ball past Jakob Haugaard" - he scored by passing?
  • "Crystal Palace went into the match without a win in the league" - pedantically, they hadn't won in the league that season, rather than ever? Also, why mention this in relation to this round in particular?
  • "Manchester United's first shot on target came from substitute Memphis Depay, who was fouled in second half stoppage time by Dean Hammond for a penalty kick" - this is a long sentence which seems to conflate two completely separate incidents - might be better to break it up
  • "United were forced play" - missing word there
  • "when James Tomkins' scored with a header" - no need for that apostrophe
  • "West Ham halved the deficit in the 79th minute [..] and despite dominating the closing stages, including a disallowed goal from West Ham United's Cheikhou Kouyaté, the match ended 2–1" - this reads a bit clumsily, suggest a reword
  • "saved Romelu Lukaku's subsequent spot-kick" - last word is a bit slangy
  • "sent in a cross which was deflecteed" - typo
  • "off Chris Smalling" - previously at second mentions, you haven't repeated the forename
  • "In the two league matches between sides" => "In the two league matches between the sides"
  • "The referee for the final was Mark Clattenburg, from Consett, County Durham, and was assisted" => "The referee for the final was Mark Clattenburg, from Consett, County Durham, who was assisted"
  • "by both BBC" => "by both the BBC"
  • "All tickets prices " - lose the s on tickets
  • "The financial prize for the winning the" - there's either a word missing here or one word too many
  • "the latter dropping to the substitute's bench" => "the latter dropping to the substitutes' bench"
  • "Mata was then shown the yellow card for high and late tackle" => "Mata was then shown the yellow card for a high and late tackle"
  • "while Alan Smith in The Guardian " - link The Guardian
  • "a low cross from Valencia was partly clear" => "a low cross from Valencia was partly cleared"
  • "Rooney was named man of the match and expressed admiration of his opponents" => "Rooney was named man of the match and expressed admiration for his opponents"
  • "Crystal Palace defender Dalenay" - name spelt incorrectly
  • "Alan Smith, writing in The Guardian described" - comma needed after Guardian, also you can delink it here as you will have linked it above per my earlier comment
  • "Crystal Palace one point above the relegation positions in the Premier League" - overlinking on Premier League
  • Think that's it from me :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:27, 9 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
ChrisTheDude thanks, I think I've got to all of your points. I really appreciate the review. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 15:36, 9 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Source review – Pass[edit]

Will do soon. Aza24 (talk) 22:43, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Formatting
  • James M. Ross seems to be the author for ref 13
  • ref 19 is missing a work/publisher
  • The Rostance refs seems to have "21 May 2016" as their dates. It's above the summary and under "Mourinho latest & FA Cup final reaction"
    • Suggest a "find and replace" tool to update this quicker
  • ref 47 is missing the date
Reliability
  • No issues
Verifiability
  • Checked a few—no issues. Aza24 (talk) 22:54, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Aza24 thanks so much, I've addressed your concerns, let me know if there's anything else. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:01, 15 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Just took another look and its looks great. Pass for source review. Aza24 (talk) 06:11, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Aza24 thank you very much for taking the time to look, much appreciated. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 08:34, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Casliber[edit]

  • Support from me. I concede I am not the tightest of prose reviewers so others might pick up something but I could not see any outstanding prose errors. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:07, 15 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support by Amakuru[edit]

General comments
  • This might be partly down to me, with some of the articles I've written, and I don't know if it matters or not, but there's a bit of a difference in formats emerging with the Final articles. In 1987 FA Cup Final, we put Background first, giving a general introduction to what the competition is, as well as any other over-arching themes, with a separate "pre-match" section in the match Summary. I would probably slightly prefer this way of doing it, as otherwise the "Route to the final" section begins with a bit of a lack of context. Particularly for a newcomer unfamiliar with football competitions, and who hasn't already read the lead. This is more food for thought though, and obviously articles like 2017 FA Cup Final are already FAs under the format of showing the Route-to-the-final first.
That's a fair point, I am generally reluctant to wholesale delete a previous set-up just to impose "latest" style on it. If the content is sufficient then I don't think it has to precisely match the format of other, recently promoted material. There's certainly no criterion I'm aware of at FAC which says that articles of a "common" grouping should have consistently identical formatting. Having said that, I'm happy to borrow from '87 to feed '16. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 11:17, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, of course. This was just a general observation really.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:25, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I've done it now, what do you think? The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 11:39, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, that looks good cheers. There's some guff about when the big boys enter the competition on the 1987 page, as a precursor to our saying the finalists entered in the third round, but I think that's strictly optional.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:33, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I saw that but thought it was an offline source and wasn't sure it could be assuredly applied to the 2016 final? The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 15:46, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Route to the final (Crystal Palace)
Route to the final (Manchester United)
Background
Amakuru addressed thus far, cheers. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 11:58, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
First half
Second half
Extra time
Post-match
  • "Five days after the final, van Gaal was dismissed by Manchester United" - any particular reason? We were told earlier that his job had been saved.
    Well far be it from me to speculate on the motives of Ed Woodward etc. Money? Success? European football? If I was a betting man, I'd say he'd have been sacked before the FA Cup final if they hadn't got to the FA Cup final. But we'll never know. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 12:14, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Lead
Amakuru done, thanks! The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 12:14, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Excellent. Passing on prose. Good work.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:33, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support by Kosack[edit]

  • "against Millwall at Cardiff's Millennium Stadium.[8][7]", refs are out of numerical order here.
    Fixed. (yesterday I think!) The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 14:47, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "converting Ander Herrera's shot", perhaps it's just me but I find it a little odd to say he converted a shot. Judging by the highlights I'd question whether Herrera was actually shooting as well, which the FA match report seems to agree with.
    Yah, it was a pass, not a shot. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 14:47, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the Manchester United section, a use of De Gea is capitalised mid-sentence, but in the match report it's de Gea. I'm not sure which is correct, but worth pointing out.
    One instance a typo, the other starting a sentence where De Gea is okay. Thus fixed. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 14:47, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • As far as I was aware, the general consensus on player nationality in match articles is to avoid overemphasizing it so the use of the nation abbreviation as well as the flags seems a little odd. Is this based off a discussion somewhere?
    I added that because the use of flag icons alone is unreasonable as many readers don't understand the flags, or subtle differences between them. For me, we don't need the flags, but there's a consensus at the football Wikiproject that these decorative icons are somehow vital for these kinds of articles, even when (a) the player nationalities are utterly irrelevant and (b) not discussed in any sense. But I gave up dying on that hill and just allow the trivia, but with explanatory usage for our readers' benefit. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 14:47, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing much to complain about on my part as usual. A few minor points above. Kosack (talk) 13:05, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Kosack hey, thanks a lot! I've addressed your concerns and responded to the flag icon point. Please don't hesitate to get back to me if anything else is required. Much obliged. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 14:47, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nice work, my concerns have been suitably addressed. Happy to support. Kosack (talk) 18:48, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Query for the coordinators[edit]

@FAC coordinators: four supports, source and image review passed, can I nominate another FAC? The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 18:03, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You certainly may. Gog the Mild (talk) 18:17, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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