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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by Gog the Mild via FACBot (talk) 29 March 2021 [1].

Beaver[edit]

Nominator(s): LittleJerry (talk) 22:32, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've been working on this in since the last FAC and hope the major issues have been addressed. I would like to thank Dieter.Meinertzhagen,Twofingered Typist and SandyGeorgia. LittleJerry (talk) 22:32, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Image review—pass[edit]

  • Optional: Use a higher resolution header image
The image shows both front and back feet, the tail and head. Would have liked to use File:Beaver Yearling Grooming Alhambra Creek 2008.jpg but the back feet are covered. LittleJerry (talk) 00:21, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It states in the Description "Date of Publishing: 1853"
  • Other image licensing looks OK to me. (t · c) buidhe 23:59, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from SilverTiger[edit]

I'm not any sort of FA reviewer, but I'm taking a look-see in hopes of learning.

  • Is there a reason some of the sources are separated out into a bibliograohy section rather than being cited like the other sources?
The bibilography sources are used for multiple pages thoughout, the others have a specific page range. LittleJerry (talk) 12:55, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is there nothing more to be said about C. californicus and C. praefiber? Which came first, who evolved into who, etc. Can they be included in the cladogram?
Not much. LittleJerry (talk) 12:55, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Dipoides, Miocene, larynx, and trachea should all be linked at the first mention. There's probably more that need to be linked, those were just the first four I noticed.
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 12:55, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Usual among mammals, the epiglottis... Shouldn't that be unusually?
I don't think so. LittleJerry (talk) 12:55, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comma needed after "webbing between the toes"
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 12:55, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • only their webbed hind feet are used for propelling while the front feet are tucked under the chest. The used for propelling part is a little clunky. Maybe change to used to swim?
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 12:55, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • The whole three sentences about the tail also read a little clunky and disconnected.
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 12:55, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Next to humans, no other extant animal appears to do more to shape its environment. Shouldn't that be Except for humans?
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 12:55, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Canada Geese needs to be sentence case.
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 12:55, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • First sentence of the Family life section is a bit unclear. Maybe change to The basic unit of beaver social organization is the family, which is comprised of an adult male and...
Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 12:55, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's all for now. --SilverTiger12 (talk) 00:45, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support - I supported last time around, so here it is again. FunkMonk (talk) 14:24, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - I can not see any notable issues with the article. This is definitely ready for promotion. Wretchskull (talk) 08:33, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Source review[edit]

Claiming. Will do soon. Might claim for WikiCup points. Hog Farm Talk 07:36, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This looks so much better than it did back at Beaver/archive1.

This isn't a huge deal, but since you're linking the names of the journals with article, BMC Evolutionary Biology has a link, as does Physiological Zoology, and the Journal of Wildlife Diseases.

Done. Wretchskull (talk) 17:13, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ref 114 (Riley, "Restoring Neighborhood Streams ...") lacks a publishing location.

Done. Wretchskull (talk) 17:20, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not particularly confident with Vice being high-quality RS; the WP:RSP entry for it says there's no consensus on basic reliability

Replaced it with journal. Wretchskull (talk) 17:26, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

With the exception of Vice, I think the sources are all high-quality RS for what they are citing. After looking through the sources and what they are supporting, I don't see any red flags of things that are likely dated. The section about beavers in culture is also much better written and sourced; the tendency to get trivial or to cherry-pick examples there is gone. The breadth of sourcing used here is also much greater and more representative. Formatting is acceptable - a few minor inconsistencies, but nothing distracting, incomplete, or problematic. I will be doing spot checks for close paraphrasing and source-text integrity soon. Hog Farm Talk 16:56, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I can't access all of the sources, but I spot-checked five statements that I could check and found no issues. Results at User:Hog Farm/spot checks/Beaver. Pass on WP:FACR 1c, 1f, and 2c. Sourcing looks fine to me. Hog Farm Talk 15:48, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Accessibility review[edit]

Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 12:37, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support and comments from Jim[edit]

Looks pretty good to me, just a few thoughts below:

  • Beavers are territorial and mark them using scent— isn't quite grammatical, Beavers hold territories and mark them using scent
Fixed. Wretchskull (talk) 16:56, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • 75 percent of the air in its lungs, compared to 15 percent for a human.—is that per breath, or a particular time span? Given enough time all the air will be replaced.
Clarified. LittleJerry (talk) 19:41, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm pleased to see predators and parasites considered. In bird articles we often have an EL to vocalisations, is there anything similar for our furry friends here?
Come again? LittleJerry (talk) 19:41, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Jimfbleak - talk to me? 14:06, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support by Dunkleosteus77[edit]

  • "Beaver activity can affect the temperature of the water. In northern latitudes, ice thaws earlier in beaver-inhabited waters than in those without beavers. Beavers may contribute to climate change. In Arctic areas, the floods they create can cause permafrost to thaw, releasing methane into the atmosphere." I feel like this could be 1 sentence   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  20:25, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That would be a huge sentence. And they are two different subjects. LittleJerry (talk) 12:54, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I assumed the ice thaws early because their floods release methane and contribute to regional warming?   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  18:03, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No. Its become damming makes the water warmer. LittleJerry (talk) 18:45, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
you should say that then   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  19:33, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Done. LittleJerry (talk) 20:50, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Because rodents have a bad reputation. See rats. LittleJerry (talk) 12:54, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "who capitalized on trading with the Europeans" just checking is this really the best way to describe European–Native American relations?   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  20:25, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not describing their whole relationship. LittleJerry (talk) 12:54, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No, but is "capitalized" the best word to use?   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  18:03, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know. LittleJerry (talk) 18:50, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
what does the source say?   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  01:54, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It uses "capitalize" as well. LittleJerry (talk) 03:00, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Dunkleosteus77, I removed the word. LittleJerry (talk) 18:22, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That is not when Castoridae evolved. Removed range since sources are not clear on the exact mya in which Castor appeared. LittleJerry (talk) 12:54, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
this has a good overview of the Castor fossil record. It says the earliest is C. neglectus from 12–10 mya Germany   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  19:33, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Added. LittleJerry (talk) 20:50, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dunkleosteus77? LittleJerry (talk) 01:51, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • "Beaver tails were thus a delicacy in Europe and were described as having the flavor of a nicely dressed eel" you should specify it was described by Pierre Belon as tasting like eel   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  14:26, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Done. LittleJerry (talk) 16:59, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Coordinator note[edit]

Hi LittleJerry and thanks for the email. Three supports is the minimum required for a nomination for, possibly, it to be considered that a consensus for promotion has formed. And this has been open for less than four weeks. I would like to leave it for a little longer to see if it can attract further suggestions for improvements. I know all too well how difficult it can be to be patient while hoping and waiting for a FAC to be promoted, but all I can suggest is sticking with it and seeing what the next few days brings. Gog the Mild (talk) 22:44, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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