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The article was promoted by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 15:56, 26 August 2016 [1].

California State Route 94[edit]

Nominator(s): Rschen7754 00:09, 11 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

After another long hiatus from FAC, I am nominating this article about an east–west freeway in metro San Diego. Rschen7754 00:09, 11 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Kevon kevono
Support I'm not a very good reviewer, but this article looks pretty through and complete. And amazingly no grammar mistakes! :)
Kevon kevono (talk) 21:57, 12 July 2016 (UTC) 14:57 (PDT)[reply]
  • The introduction needs a few citations. The entire introduction is uncited.
  • I don't think we need three decimal places in the length of the highway, but, why not?
    • It's best to be as accurate as possible, according to the sources. --Rschen7754 00:22, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is File:California 94 Sign.jpg needed?
  • RD is good.
  • "However, the Highway 94 association, as well as the Campo-Potrero and Highway 80 chambers of commerce raised concerns about the safety of the children going to school in the buses along the road." Is this the only reason, because I feel it isn't a very big one.?
    • Again, we go with whatever the sources say, whether we personally agree with them or not. --Rschen7754 00:22, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "...as was planning for the portion west of there to the intersection of 18th and F streets and the future interchange with US 101." Wasn't I-5 built yet by 1956?
  • "By 1977, much of the SR 94 freeway was congested, with 85,000 to 95,000 trips per day on the freeway according to Caltrans." No citation to this sentence.
    • See the citation after the next sentence? --Rschen7754 00:22, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "In July 1998, the Back Country Coalition sued Caltrans..." Um, what's the Back County Coalition?
    • A coalition representing the interests of the Back Country. --Rschen7754 00:22, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • These two citations, California Department of Transportation (January 2016). "State Route 94 / SR-125 Interchange Project Fact Sheet". California Department of Transportation. Archived from the original (PDF) on July 10, 2016. Retrieved July 10, 2016., and California Department of Transportation (March 2016). "State Route 94 Express Lanes Project Fact Sheet". California Department of Transportation. Archived from the original (PDF) on July 10, 2016. Retrieved July 10, 2016., are dead links.
    • Works for me... --Rschen7754 00:22, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
      • The archived versions fail for me, but the originals still work. Imzadi 1979 → 00:26, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
        • Removed the archives since webcitation.org won't take it for whatever reason. --Rschen7754 01:37, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • It seems that SR 94 runs concurrently with SR 125 and SR 54 for awhile according to Google Maps. Otherwise, junction list is good.
    • I'm not sure where you're getting SR 125 from, look closely at the interchange. SR 54 is actually decommissioned from SR 125 to SR 94 (check the Caltrans bridge logs) - Google Maps is actually wrong here. --Rschen7754 00:59, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Excellent and descriptive prose with no grammar or spelling errors. However, a Google Chrome extension called Grammarly noted 35 writing issues for this article, 13 word choice issues, 12 passive voice misuses, 5 wordy sentences, 4 improper formattings, and 1 unclear reference.
    • I don't trust automated grammar checkers. If you can point out specific issues that you agree with, I might consider changes. --Rschen7754 00:22, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, but very close Overall, I'd say that you have to improve this article a little more and change minor issues. Then, I'll support the promotion of the article.
Kevon kevono (talk) 20:12, 20 July 2016 (UTC) 13:12 (PDT)[reply]
@Kevon kevono: regarding your first point, you apparently don't know of the tenets of WP:LEAD. A lead does not need normally need any citations at all. If it had a direct quotation, then yes, it would need a citation for that quotation, but there are none in this article. Everything else in the lead is a summary of material present in the body of the article, which is cited there, so it does not need an explicit citation. A quick perusal of Category: FA-Class U.S. road transport articles would show you that most of them lack citations in the lead, pretty much reinforcing my point here. Additionally, if you did the same outside of the highway FAs, you'd see a very similar pattern as well. Imzadi 1979 → 00:24, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support I now pass this article.
Kevon kevono (talk) 20:32, 21 July 2016 (UTC) 13:31 (PDT)[reply]
  • Support - I reviewed this article at ACR and feel that it meets the FA criteria. I also conducted an image review at the ACR. Dough4872 01:28, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Source review—the two California Numbered Exit Uniform System citations in the last footnote have ISO-style publication dates, while the rest of the article's footnotes uniformly use MDY format. You will want to change those over. Otherwise, all of the citations are formatted fairly consistently, and they're all citing reliable sources. The following aren't deal breakers, but I'm including them as a little extra something to give the cites that last bit of polish:
    • You may want to see if the California Highways and Public Works journal has either an ISSN or OCLC to include. If any of the cited paper maps have OCLC numbers, it would be nice to see those appear as well, even if there is a scanned copy online.
    • If it were me, I'd move the "Streets and Highway Code" part of the citation into |work= Streets and Highway Code and leave the section number alone as the title.
      • Fixed the publication dates, found the OCLC for CHPW and some of the maps. I'll look at the rest tomorrow. --Rschen7754 06:30, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Prose review:
    • freeway may warrant a link on first usage for the non-American readers. YMMV.
    • Can you spell out the full name for Caltrans on the first usage in the lead. I know what it means, but others won't.
    • "and west of SR 188 is part of the National Highway System" needs a subject slotted into that clause someplace to make it flow better with the rest of the compound/complex sentence.
  • "SR 94 was built along the routing of an old stagecoach road that took two days to travel to East County in the 19th century". The road itself took two days to travel? I think you mean that travelers using the road took two days. Also, is "East County" a proper name in this case?
    • In that first history subsection, things flip between "Campo Road" and "Campo road". I'm going to assume that one version isn't correct there.
      • I'm going off the capitalization found in the sources. While it's highly probable that they are the same, I'm playing on the safe side (in the event that "Campo Road" and "Campo road", or the road to Campo aren't the same). I can fix it if you think that's too cautious. --Rschen7754 05:31, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • "In June 1953, the Commission approved an eight-lane freeway for Route 94 from Home Avenue in San Diego to Palm Avenue around La Mesa;[33] The local Board of Education also gave their approval, which was required because the freeway would be built on land that was for a proposed school." Either that semicolon needs to be changed to a period (preferred) or the capital letter after it needs to be dropped to lowercase.
    • "state senator Fred Kraft criticized" since that's a title preceding his name, it should be capitalized. Later on in that same sentence, "long-term" should not be hyphenated.
    • "metal weakened-plane joints" I think the hyphenation here looks wrong; I parse it in a way that should read "metal-weakened plane joints".
    • "lanes in between" the "in" there isn't needed.

All in all, just a few minor changes noted so far that should be easily fixed before I formally support. Imzadi 1979 → 06:17, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I think you might be too cautious, but I understand the idea. It just looks odd to have the two flipping back and forth. Imzadi 1979 → 06:35, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Coord comment -- About ready to promote this but I always like to see a review from someone outside their comfort zone with the subject, to help ensure comprehensibility for the lay reader; Cas, you drew the short straw in my mind's lottery, would you have time for a quick read? Tks/cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 11:23, 21 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ok will do. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:51, 21 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Some queries...
In lead, "wagon road" redirects to wagon train...is that right?
It redirects to the general concept, so I think it's okay. --Rschen7754 16:35, 21 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
can "state highway system" link to somewhere? Should it be a stub as some other states have articles....
Linked to the California one. --Rschen7754 16:35, 21 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'd put the length in the lead, possibly in the first one or two sentences.
Done. --Rschen7754 16:35, 21 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
can we link "interchange"?
Done. --Rschen7754 16:35, 21 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
is there an article on downtown San Diego?
Added. --Rschen7754 16:35, 21 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
440 what? vehicles?
Done. --Rschen7754 16:35, 21 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
SR 94 was built along the routing of an old stagecoach road that took travelers two days to reach East County in the 19th century - odd construction...I'd say "a road takes travellers" but wouldn't use time like that...but use it with the people as the agent" the travellers took two days to go down the road" or something...
Shuffled it around again. --Rschen7754 16:35, 21 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
In 1927, the Potrero bridge was replaced, after a storm washed out the bridge. - try and remove one the "bridge" words in the sentence.
Done. --Rschen7754 16:35, 21 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
"large haulers" - can be rewritten to dequote, surely...
Done. --Rschen7754 16:35, 21 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Looks reasonably comprehensive - any notable accidents taken place on the road?
Not that would be considered notable, i.e. received a lot of news coverage or closed the road for days. Some of the minor ones are alluded to in other parts of the history. --Rschen7754 16:35, 21 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The prose is clear enough and good enough to not make me think about it too much while reading (a good sign). Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:10, 21 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Casliber: All done, and thanks! --Rschen7754 16:35, 21 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I support this on comprehensiveness and prose. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:57, 21 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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